N64 was great

But probably the Xbox. Gamecube was good to

@SiMoNsAyS

I agree with you totally, you cannot "dis" GT4 or Tekken.

I believe they are both good. So do many other people.

Oh, I'm sorry but you be smokin' CRAC, dude Tekken sucks BALLS and always has. The controls are miserable and unresponsive, the graphics are about the same as pretty much any other PS2 fighter, etc. And *bowling* as a selling point for a fighter? You've got to be kidding me.

On any day of any year, Soul Calibur and DOA series' both kick the p*** out of Tekken.

As for GT4, I have to admit a bias: I don't like racing games, at least, not unless the car has weapons and I can run over pedestrians. Now *that* is fun! We need a new "Carmageddon" game!

Jason

i don't smoke (crac or anything), and i don't like it to be suggested

for your post is clear that you don't have any (even a small) idea of what you're talking. you must be one of those pro-xbox guys who hates anything that is only available for ps2.

tekken is the fighting game with MOST combos so i'm wondering why control sucks... is an arcade game man, how controls can "suck"?!
you must get outhere from your X-Barricade and look for other opinions... ign award, 9.3/10 at gamespot, 4.5/5 at gamepro, 4.5/5 at playstation.about ...
man, your *bowling* never was a selling point, i said that in tekken you can do many more things than just "fighting", don't be that picky with my words

soulcalibur is one of my other prefered games but you can't compare DOA or soulcalibur with tekken, is like comparing splinter cell with MGS. they both are similar of course, but not of the same taste... but hey, wait 1 minute, i see your point here! DOA and soulcalibur are available for the X console and tekken not!! lol

... so you want a game of racing and killing ... what if you return to the old 80s? buy carmaggedon again and keep the fun!

No, I'm not at all one of those "pro XBox" guys who hates everything PS2. Far from it. As a matter of fact, I own XBox, PS2, GameCube, SNES, NES, Genesis, Sega CD, Master System, Sega Saturn, Dreamcast, N64, Game Gear, GB Color, GBA, Atari Lynx, Sega Nomad and an Intellivision (of all things), along with a library of more than 300 games. Of those games about 40 are PS1 games (and they're pretty much the 40 that are actually *good* out of all the other garbage out for that system) and about 32 of which are PS2 games.

Moreover, I know *exactly* what I am talking about. Yes, Tekken has the most combos. Big yay. I could say I have the most hair on my a** crack, does that make me special? No. Those combos are worthless if you can't routinely pull them off easily and en masse. Tekken's controls, at least up through version 4, are too unresponsive and slow to make for much fun, IMHO. The other games I mentioned have simply always been more fun, and that was equally true when they were for Dreamcast, before XBox ever came out.

As for GT4, I could really care less. As I said before I *am* biased about racing games because I don't like them on the whole. I find them to be boring, tedius and irritating at best, barring the inclusion of slick gameplay features (a la the upcoming Full Auto from Sega, which I played at E3 and was frickin' awesome).

Now please, go back and stroke your PS2 to sleep, your FanBoi-ism is showing.

Jason

Umm... this is getting a bit heated. Take a valium, and remember, we all can have different opinions. Disagreement doesn't have to be violent or rude.

Again, I'll say that for a pure gaming console (which is what this poll was about) the PS2 takes the prize. The games are generally better on PS2 than on XBox (by better I mean there's a better selection). The only area that you could say XBox has a hold of the market is in FPS games, but you shouldn't be playing those on a console anyways...

For example, DOA2 (on PS2) was much better than DOA3 (on XBox). The controls for DOA2 just fit right, while I was fighting against my own thumbs to get the characters in DOA3 to do what I wanted. The graphics themselves in DOA2 are hard to beat. If you're niggling that they're not good enough, then VR is probably the only thing that would satisfy you.

As for racing games, I like them a lot. I've always grown up watching Formula1 and the WRC, so when games like GT3 and GT4 are released, I get excited. I find it much more useful to know how to drive a car agressively than to be able to blow someone's virtual head off. In game driving can easily be transferred to the real world, while aiming and shooting cannot (trust me... try hitting a target at 200 yards with an SKS-47, the semi-auto version of the AK-47).

Gamecube for me

It has a great look and it's games are very good
I'm personally a big fan of the super mario games
Like Mario Party, Super Mario Sunshine, Mario Golf Toadstool Tour, Mario Power Tennis (you have to play that one) (seeGamespot Mario Power Tennis (choose the second movie))
Btw, there is a new Nintendo comming, Nintendo Revolution, and it's been said you can play every game that Nintendo ever made!!

well for me im a big fan of sony so ps2 it would have to be

time to reply...

@JasonGW, you have a lot of consoles, right, but what does it prove? for me it makes sense that you have a LOT of cash to expend and a LOT of free time. it doesn't have anything to do with your knowledge of hardware or software.
now this is funny, you own particulary only the *good* games lol

now i'm not going to talk about tekken or any other game in particular as i don't mind if you think about the same and i'm sure most people do it, but i really need to comment your last phrase. if you read carefully some of my other posts i'm not pro or against any console in particular (i'm not going to earn anything from it). i just said what i think: ps2 games are generally better, first xbox is more powerful than ps2 but i doubt its successor (360) would beat ps3 (anyway this is offtopic).

now please calm down and if you have anything to say, do it in the right terms or i'll be forced to answer you similary.

ps: i was just wondering what would happen if '*' was removed from your keyboard... lol

Actually it's not that I have a lot of cash to spend, it's that I've been collecting for a LONG time. However, my hardware knowledge comes from having been a Systems Engineer for the past decade and change. I think, however, it's VERY clear that you are pro Sony, period. I don't think you can argue reasonably that PS2 games are generally better. For the most part, PS2 games I've tried (renting, largely, because I never buy before I try) tend to suck. Either their graphics suck, or they're another copy of a copy of a copy, etc. Not all, mind you, and I'm not saying there aren't a large number of good PS2 games (As I said, I own a large number of them myself) but that number as compared to the total number of available games for PS2 is absurdly low. The same holds true for PS1. Lots of good games, a WHOLE HUGE lot of mediocre to crap games. Moreover, games that are incredible on other systems suck very badly on PS2 (Splinter Cell is a great example, and Soul Calibur II's best version was probably gamecube with XBox coming in a close second).

XBox has some stinkers too, to be sure, but on the whole I'd say the number is a lot smaller percentage of the total library than PS2's is. Gamecube, well, I have yet to see *any* bad games for that console. It's major weakness is its small library, but Nintendo's devotion to quality and to innovative, original games and gameplay is second to absolutely none.

Almost without exception Sony's best games are third party. Sony themselves produce little to nothing worth playing, much less owning. Developers make PS2 games for one reason and one reason alone: The console has penetrated the market *very* well thanks to excellent advertising and extraordinary hype. To this day there are still people who delude themselves into believing that PS2 is more powerful than XBox or Gamecube for Chrissakes.

Like it or not, with the coming generation Sony's got a problem on its hands, and its recent releases of info are designed *purely* to try and throw Microsoft's new system off its game (so to speak) like they did with Dreamcast. As in that scenario, expect their claims to be exagerated and not at all well delivered upon. Just as an example, 1080p. Good god, people, as of today there isn't a TV on the market that can accept a 1080p HDMI signal, not even from *Sony*. There are numerous variants of 1080p sets that *upscale* a 720 to 1080, and there are several variants that use different methods to *get* to 1080p (check out some AVS forums, many will tell you that these are not "true" 1080p sets). 1080p capable digital sets aren't expected on the market until later this year, and penetration won't really start to happen in large numbers for *several* years. One might also point out that not ONE broadcaster on the North American CONTINENT broadcasts 1080p. It's 720p or 1080i (with a smattering of 480p's here and there) all the way.

Jason

first part of your post is enough for me, i'm exhaust so this is the last time i reply this obsolete thread.
no, i'm not pro-sony, against-xbox or a 'fanboi', those terms are just stupid if you don't work for m$ or sony lol

i don't mind if xbox is more powerful or has better graphics since most of my favorite games are exclusive for ps2 like tekken, metal gear, dbz budokai, gt, moh... don't wanna see further

@JasonGW

I'm not gonna devulge into too much detail here, but the opinion of good and bad consoles/games/etc varies from person to person. Just because you think that the PS2 is overrated/bad/whatever, doesn't mean that everyone else is going to agree with you.

You've posted a number of lengthy (and somewhat long-winded) posts about your opinions. We've heard them well enough.


Just to throw in my two cents... the Gran Turismo series was developed by Sony for the PlayStation line. If you think that over the years, Gran Turismo has been a bad series (honestly, and without bias) then I'm sorry to say that most of what you say will end up holding little ground for me.

And without exception, some of the best XBox games are also third party. With the exception of Halo, most of the big hitters have been third party as well.

And as for the 1080p specs of the PS3... PS2 had hi-def capabilities before hi-def TVs were readily available. Now, when LCD and Plasma TVs are common place in stores, people can actually get even more out of their system. It's just planning ahead. It's like having a video card that can support 4 monitors at 1920x1440, while everyone still runs at 1024x768. That card will be good for a couple of years yet.

Like SiMoNsAyS said, the XBox is more powerful hardware wise than the PS2, but that's not the only factor in deciding the "better" console. We get the fact that you think XBox is better than PS2.

As I said above, I think GT is a boring series but, yes, with bias: I don't like straight racing games. I find driving, racing or not, to be immeasurably BORING. That's hardly the point. What I was saying, and you apparently didn't get it, is that PS2 was, as a matter of FACT, not opinion, overhyped and overrated. It has *not* lived up to the claims Sony made about it. Yes, there are lots of good games and I've said that repeatedly, though you choose to ignore that fact. As a matter again of FACT, not opinion, the XBox is far more powerful than the PS2, as is, in fact, the Gamecube. Once again, however, that isn't the point. The point is that on Sony's console anyone and everyone publishes anything they can get to a reasonable state of completion, regardless of whether it's any good. I have not witnessed that to be the case on either of the other two consoles (though as I said above, there ARE a few stinkers on XBox).

You might want to be a little more precise with your words in future posts. It's rather contradictory to say that "without exception XBox's big hitters have been third party." and then go on to give an exception.

Also, PS2 does *not* natively support high definition. Yes, you can put it in 16x9 mode (just like XBox or Gamecube) but the games look like crap, for the most part. There are some exceptions, of course, but not many. (As an interesting aside: On day 1 of E3 all PS2 games were running on widescreen hdtv monitors, and the majority of them looked awful [possibly excepting Jak Racing, Akami and Dragon Quest VIII]. Come day two and what did we see? About half the PS2 games were now running in 4:3 mode on the same monitors. How's that for HD support?)

In spite of your attempt to twist what I've said to be some sort of reverie about XBox over PS2, that's not what I've been saying. Read it again if you care to, and if you don't, well, I don't really care.



And I've been saying the same thing to the PS3 FanBois over in another thread. You know the kind, the 133t g@m3rZ who like to claim the next gen race over before it's even begun? Yeah, those guys. Try telling THEM that the hardware is only part of the puzzle. They're happy to tell you that's true when talking about XBox or GameCube vs PS2, but they sure as hell change their tunes in a hurry when you get to the XBox 360/PS3/Revolution discussion, when all of a sudden nothing matters but the *theoretical* performance of hardware that doesn't even exist yet.

Thanks, and have a peachy day!

Jason