 Disk Imaging Software, What else is there? |
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 Jan 19 2008, 05:18 PM
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MSFN Master  Group: Super Moderator Posts: 2771 Joined: 24-September 03 From: Indiana Member No.: 7346 OS: Vista Enterprise x86 
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Still working on this. It is slow going when you have other projects to work on at the same time. If someone wants to take on that challenge and send th list to me I will add that info to the first post.
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Feb 12 2008, 03:53 PM
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the free techie  Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 26-April 05 From: 42.202007 N - 72.626193 W Member No.: 53690 OS: XP Pro x86
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QUOTE (IcemanND @ Jan 19 2008, 07:18 PM)  Still working on this. It is slow going when you have other projects to work on at the same time. If someone wants to take on that challenge and send th list to me I will add that info to the first post. I'll get you my take on Acronis Workstation Echo and Snap Deploy 2.0 |
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Feb 12 2008, 08:22 PM
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I'm a few hundred PCs Group: Super Moderator Posts: 1244 Joined: 13-October 07 From: Oklahoma Member No.: 158212 OS: Vista Enterprise x86
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Iceman, I updated your list with pricing info. If you want, just add this to your original post and snip it from this post.
Disk Imaging Products:
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Apr 26 2008, 07:32 AM
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MSFN Junkie  Group: Software Developers Posts: 3624 Joined: 23-July 04 From: Italy Member No.: 25215 OS: none 
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Another candidate:
SVISTA (NO it is not a typo) Image tool: http://www.os2site.com/sw/apps/virtual/ http://www.os2site.com/sw/apps/virtual/it-svista.txt http://www.os2site.com/sw/apps/virtual/it-win-bin-1.1.zip jaclaz |
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May 8 2008, 03:52 AM
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MSFN Addict Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 13-June 04 From: HELL Member No.: 22534 OS: Vista Ultimate x86 
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i was just looking for the same thing on which imaging and backup software i should use for my OS's.i realy like to see the result of your project iceman.
there is a product coming with WD external drives called LigeAgent from memeo which i guess worth looking at too. |
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May 8 2008, 05:41 AM
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MSFN Junkie Group: Software Developers Posts: 3624 Joined: 23-July 04 From: Italy Member No.: 25215 OS: none
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QUOTE (Woomera @ May 8 2008, 11:52 AM) i was just looking for the same thing on which imaging and backup software i should use for my OS's.i realy like to see the result of your project iceman. there is a product coming with WD external drives called LigeAgent from memeo which i guess worth looking at too. Isn't that for MAC?  jaclaz |
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May 21 2008, 02:51 PM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 16 Joined: 12-August 07 Member No.: 150454 OS: none 
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Which software in dos alows to copy whole partition with no gb limitation, and save it as an iso image.
I will be copying the windows os and boot drive c: partition. Anyone know ? This post has been edited by exogenesis: May 25 2008, 05:17 AM |
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Jul 18 2008, 08:13 AM
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Pharmassist Group: Members Posts: 1318 Joined: 31-July 04 From: United States Member No.: 25917 OS: XP Pro x86
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i know of none that will save an an ISO but I know of one that will run in dos and allow you to directly record to CD/dvd recorder - norton ghost 2003!
i've used that product for a long time until ImageX came out. I still find that ImageX is much more useful than others. And if I'm not mistaken, ImageX is still the only one that creates a file-based image of the whole partition or disk. The others, like True Image, can do file-based backups of files or folders but not whole partitions or disks. Acronis offers a sector-by-sector imaging as an option for whole partitions/disks - but this is really a sector-by-sector of the whole partition/disks (including free space) as opposed to just utilized space. |
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Jul 18 2008, 08:17 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 301 Joined: 5-October 05 Member No.: 75761
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Add to this list Acronis Echo. Echo replaces Trueimage.
This post has been edited by mikesw: Jul 18 2008, 08:17 AM |
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Jul 18 2008, 09:19 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 216 Joined: 12-June 06 Member No.: 98668
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QUOTE (spacesurfer @ Jul 18 2008, 03:13 PM) The others, like True Image, can do file-based backups of files or folders but not whole partitions or disks. Acronis offers a sector-by-sector imaging as an option for whole partitions/disks - but this is really a sector-by-sector of the whole partition/disks (including free space) as opposed to just utilized space. Trueimage can image partitions or whole disks, and only switches to sector based backups with filesystems it can't read (e.g. netware). The result is that a sector based backup can only be restored to the same size partition / disk, while file based ones can be restored to smaller partitions or disks, if the original had free space. With windows and linux versions, and several free offerings, it's pretty good. |
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Jul 18 2008, 09:27 AM
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Pharmassist Group: Members Posts: 1318 Joined: 31-July 04 From: United States Member No.: 25917 OS: XP Pro x86
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Can you find where it says that specifically?
I do not believe it until I see it. If it is possible, can True Image produce an image on the same partition that it is imaging? For example, my laptop has no partition, it's just drive C:\. With ImageX, I can image C:\ as c:\xp.wim. No need for another partition, external media, etc. If True Image can do this, then it is file-based. Also, when restoring, does True Image overwrite files/folders and delete files/folders that is not on the image, or does it leave files/folders added after the image taken alone? If it can't, then it's sector-based since file-based only overwrites files that are in the image and leaves everything else alone. If you can confirm the two above, then I will believe True Image is file-based and not sector-based. And to argue that True Image uses a sector-by-sector approach, this is straight from the PDF manual of True Image 11 Home edition, chapter 3: CODE Backing up disks and partitions is performed in a different way: Acronis True Image Home stores a sector-by-sector snapshot of the disk, which includes the operating system, registry, drivers, software applications and data files, as well as system areas hidden from the user. This procedure is called “creating a disk image,” and the resulting backup archive is often called a disk/partition image. and it goes on to say... CODE By default, Acronis True Image Home stores only those hard disk parts that contain data (for supported file systems). Further, it does not back up swap file information (pagefile.sys under Windows NT/2000/XP/Vista) and hiberfil.sys (a file that keeps RAM contents when the computer goes into hibernation). This reduces image size and speeds up image creation and restoration. However, you might use the Create an image using the sector-by-sector approach option that lets you include all of the sectors of a hard disk in an image. So, it does a sector-by-sector image excluding free space, but the option "Create an image using the sector-by-sector approach" is for imaging free space as well. That's the only difference. And let me add the following on page 17: CODE An incremental or differential backup created after a disk is defragmented might be considerably larger than usual. This is because the defragmentation program changes file locations on disk and the backups reflect these changes. Therefore, it is recommended that you re-create a full backup after disk defragmentation. For a file-based, it doesn't matter where the file is located, but it would matter for sector-based. Hence, you can see that Acronis employs sector-based imaging for whole disks and partitions. Well, the only reason for my post is I was considering switching over to True Image because I thought it was file-based, but I can see that it is still sector-based so I'm going to stick with ImageX. This post has been edited by spacesurfer: Jul 18 2008, 10:28 AM |
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Jul 18 2008, 07:57 PM
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Senior Member Group: Members Posts: 518 Joined: 24-November 06 Member No.: 116438 OS: 2000 
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Yes, Acronis uses sector based imaging and skips free space on all supported filesystems...
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Jul 25 2008, 12:10 PM
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Nlite Supporter Group: Members Posts: 777 Joined: 18-August 04 From: Montreal Member No.: 28100 
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You could add http://www.macrium.com/ReflectFree.asp
Reflect is good, there a free and a paid version. The linux boot disk for restoration is fast too. 
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 Aug 22 2008, 02:52 PM
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Group: Members Posts: 1 Joined: 22-August 08 Member No.: 206531 OS: XP Pro x86
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What a project, reviewing that amount of software! As a novice to imaging software (burning stuff to CD/DVD is so much simpler), I would like to thank you for undertaking this large-scale comparison.
I would like to suggest 2 titles not on the list (Disk Imaging):
Also, may I make a suggestion on something to consider in the comparisons? I tried to ask a retail clerk about various imaging software and how well they handle large hard disks/partitions. He didn't know much about it, except that some software has a max size (of data) at the retail price, you actually have to pay to "uplock" the software to handle large amounts of data! Here are the questions (remember, I'm a novice), which I have about disk imaging software:
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Sep 9 2008, 12:19 AM
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Advanced Member Group: Members Posts: 369 Joined: 5-December 06 Member No.: 117675 OS: none 
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not one to dig out old threads, but has anyone come across a windows disk imager that can read the image data from "stdin"? Because that's the only way I could imagine to use UDPcast without having to save a temporary file on some harddisk.
I understand it is uncommon on windows to use "stdin", but there has to be something besides the windows version of "dd". |
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Sep 9 2008, 04:11 AM
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MSFN Junkie Group: Software Developers Posts: 3624 Joined: 23-July 04 From: Italy Member No.: 25215 OS: none
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QUOTE (bj-kaiser @ Sep 9 2008, 08:19 AM) I understand it is uncommon on windows to use "stdin", but there has to be something besides the windows version of "dd". Maybe not what you want to hear, but there is a Win32 port of "dd" here: http://gmgsystemsinc.com/fau/ That should support stdin and that can use lznt1 compression that is the same (or very similar to the) one that is used in NTFS compression, thus if not the "tightest" in the world, pretty much fast. jaclaz |