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  Jul 12 2008, 12:18 PM
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Digital sinner  Group: Banned Posts: 435 Joined: 17-March 08 From: Bucharest Member No.: 182383 OS: Vista Ultimate x64 
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I'm looking for a virtual machine software that i could use to run XP inside WinMe. I know it'll be slow, but it's gonna be for testing only. Do you know of a good software to run it? QEMU and Bochs are out of the question as they can't even run 95 at a half-decent speed.
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Jul 12 2008, 09:21 PM
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Friend of MSFN Group: Members Posts: 963 Joined: 2-October 05 From: Canberra Member No.: 75318 OS: none 
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virtual pc 5.1 should work on winME, though it might be a bit hard to find
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 Jul 12 2008, 10:04 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 226 Joined: 14-November 07 Member No.: 162398 OS: 98SE 
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 Why not use a small "Flash-drive usb stick"it's bootable with UBCD411/WinME(98SE as i prefer) and allows for more accurate setting and its own Harddrive/System enviroment for real testing <portable too  >*cheap prices $. *Virtual machines have too many in-consistent drawbacks to real mode testing- 
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Jul 14 2008, 02:48 AM
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Digital sinner Group: Banned Posts: 435 Joined: 17-March 08 From: Bucharest Member No.: 182383 OS: Vista Ultimate x64
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QUOTE (thydreamwalker @ Jul 13 2008, 07:04 AM)  Why not use a small "Flash-drive usb stick"it's bootable with UBCD411/WinME(98SE as i prefer) and allows for more accurate setting and its own Harddrive/System enviroment for real testing <portable too >*cheap prices $. *Virtual machines have too many in-consistent drawbacks to real mode testing- Coz my laptop can't boot from USB. |
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Jul 14 2008, 03:24 AM
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MSFN Junkie  Group: Software Developers Posts: 3623 Joined: 23-July 04 From: Italy Member No.: 25215 OS: none 
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QUOTE (Th3_uN1Qu3 @ Jul 14 2008, 10:48 AM) Coz my laptop can't boot from USB. Maybe, just maybe, this can change that behaviour: http://www.plop.at/ http://www.plop.at/en/bootmngrusblog.html jaclaz |
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Jul 14 2008, 10:28 AM
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Digital sinner Group: Banned Posts: 435 Joined: 17-March 08 From: Bucharest Member No.: 182383 OS: Vista Ultimate x64
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QUOTE (jaclaz @ Jul 14 2008, 12:24 PM) QUOTE (Th3_uN1Qu3 @ Jul 14 2008, 10:48 AM) Coz my laptop can't boot from USB. Maybe, just maybe, this can change that behaviour: http://www.plop.at/ http://www.plop.at/en/bootmngrusblog.html jaclaz I'll try that, thank you. It does boot from an USB floppy drive (but my guess is that it emulates a legacy FDD, although a Linux boot disk sees it as an USB floppy indeed), but will not boot off flash drives. Haven't tried an USB CDROM, will try to get a hold of one. |
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Jul 16 2008, 10:48 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 15-December 06 Member No.: 118577
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I have often wondered.... couldn't a floppy disk be made to boot off the USB device? the same way that older machines use a floppy to boot the CD?
Also, why can't you make a special bootable CDROM to passoff to the USB drive? Knoppix loads off cd, and then you can tell it where to put the 'temp' files (instead of eating ram). Do you want to run XP inside of 9x? Or simply see XP on that machine? You can use nLite (I think) to make a live XP cd... have you tried that? |
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Jul 16 2008, 11:02 AM
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MSFN Junkie Group: Software Developers Posts: 3623 Joined: 23-July 04 From: Italy Member No.: 25215 OS: none
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QUOTE (DeadDude @ Jul 16 2008, 06:48 PM) I have often wondered.... couldn't a floppy disk be made to boot off the USB device? the same way that older machines use a floppy to boot the CD? Noone AFAIK managed to do it, PLOP is the only (although experimental) project that got some actual results. An old attempt (for DOS) was left "unfinished" for lack of interest/resources: http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18650 QUOTE (DeadDude @ Jul 16 2008, 06:48 PM) Also, why can't you make a special bootable CDROM to passoff to the USB drive? Knoppix loads off cd, and then you can tell it where to put the 'temp' files (instead of eating ram). You can (if we are talking about XP) using the "XP Kansas City shuffle" or "fake signature" method: http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21242 QUOTE (DeadDude @ Jul 16 2008, 06:48 PM) Do you want to run XP inside of 9x? Or simply see XP on that machine? You can use nLite (I think) to make a live XP cd... have you tried that? You joking right?  nlite is a program to reduce XP install source, it has NOTHING to do with "Live XP cd's" (which are actually usually PE based) or with Virtual Machines. For the record, it does exist a "real" Live XP cd, etboot: http://www.boot-land.net/forums/?showtopic=3890 jaclaz |
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Jul 16 2008, 11:27 AM
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Newbie Group: Members Posts: 35 Joined: 15-July 08 Member No.: 201056 OS: none 
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As far as I am aware there is no virtualization software capable of running under the 9x series OSes. The codebase is simply far too different from that of the OSes derived from the NT codebase.
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Jul 16 2008, 11:38 AM
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MSFN Junkie Group: Software Developers Posts: 3623 Joined: 23-July 04 From: Italy Member No.: 25215 OS: none
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QUOTE (Phoneywar @ Jul 16 2008, 07:27 PM) As far as I am aware there is no virtualization software capable of running under the 9x series OSes. The codebase is simply far too different from that of the OSes derived from the NT codebase. As already mentioned, Connectix Virtual PC (Microsoft Virtual PC was bought from Connectix) up to version 5.1 ran under win9x Operating Systems, though version 4.0 was said to be the last one really working OK under 9x: http://www.designertoday.com/Reviews/2002....indows.5.1.aspx jaclaz |
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Jul 16 2008, 12:54 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 15-December 06 Member No.: 118577
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QUOTE (jaclaz @ Jul 16 2008, 01:02 PM) Noone AFAIK managed to do it, PLOP is the only (although experimental) project that got some actual results. An old attempt (for DOS) was left "unfinished" for lack of interest/resources: http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18650 huh... that's interesting to know... QUOTE (jaclaz @ Jul 16 2008, 01:02 PM) You can (if we are talking about XP) using the "XP Kansas City shuffle" or "fake signature" method: http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21242 hmmm... I'm going to have to read that one... again. interesting, nonetheless.... I wonder if a network boot could be utilized to pass-off control to a local USB drive... the network drive stays connected, but the machine won't crash if the network boot drive is removed after bootup... just thinking... but it *is* off topic.... QUOTE (jaclaz @ Jul 16 2008, 01:02 PM) You joking right? nlite is a program to reduce XP install source, it has NOTHING to do with "Live XP cd's" (which are actually usually PE based) or with Virtual Machines. For the record, it does exist a "real" Live XP cd, etboot: http://www.boot-land.net/forums/?showtopic=3890 Aight... I give... I goofed... but re-reading it... I know what I was trying to say... you can use nLite to make a smaller, slimmer, more 98-pc friendly version of the install (not to mention, it is the easiest way I know of to manipulate XP install media.) THEN use PE Builder to compile it into a live CD. Methinks it may be possible to exploit nLite's ability to patch the installer to modify the usb drivers for this purpose... I mean, couldn't you just tell XP to forget USB exists?? Use a boot-time loader to enable 'legacy usb'... I don't know any specifics, but it may be possible using this approach... just seems like if you could get the actual booted OS to forget about USB entirely, the 'real-mode' drivers should be able to still communicate... just load them before the OS... also, if the machine you are trying to find a vm for is somewhat current... why not reverse it? boot XP natively (or 2k) and run 98 in a window? THYDREAMWALKER- can you elaborate? I never looked into UBCD having that feature....? sounds like it would be a solution for me possibly.... |
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 Jul 16 2008, 12:55 PM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 15-December 06 Member No.: 118577
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? edit post won't allow you to toggle email replies ?
sorry for a wasted post just to get that box toggled.... |
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Jul 16 2008, 02:02 PM
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Digital sinner Group: Banned Posts: 435 Joined: 17-March 08 From: Bucharest Member No.: 182383 OS: Vista Ultimate x64
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QUOTE (jaclaz @ Jul 16 2008, 08:02 PM) You joking right? nlite is a program to reduce XP install source, it has NOTHING to do with "Live XP cd's" (which are actually usually PE based) or with Virtual Machines. For the record, it does exist a "real" Live XP cd, etboot: http://www.boot-land.net/forums/?showtopic=3890 jaclaz Only problem is that i don't have a CD-ROM drive either, a second battery is in place of that. But to answer the question, yes, i want XP inside 98. I'll try that old Virtual PC you mentioned... However i think i'll need a bigger HDD first, i have only 2GB free of 30GB, and i need most of the stuff that's on it. |
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Jul 17 2008, 01:31 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 226 Joined: 14-November 07 Member No.: 162398 OS: 98SE
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 Use UBCD411 with Qemu Slax UsbLinuxPendrive:Qemu SLAX Persistent Linux tutorial - QemuSLAX | USB Pen Drive Linux Home Disclaimer Subscribe Contact Portable Apps Qemu Persistent SLAX Linux tutorial The following process enables you to bring SLAX with you on a portable USB device and then proceed to run QemuSLAX from a Windows 98, XP or Vista host PC without ever rebooting. In addition, your personal settings and changes are automatically saved back to the stick and restored at boot. This is accomplished using Qemu emulation software in conjunction with a pre-built image file for saving and restoring the changes. Qemu Slax basic essentials: USB device with 512MB+ free space A Windows host computer SLAX ISO QSB.exe (now includes Qemu and Kqemu files) Qemu Slax install and boot procedure: Create a directory named QSlax on your USB device Download the self extracting QSB.exe and extract it's contents to the QSlax directory Download the SLAX.iso and move it to the QSlax directory Click the Launchslax.bat to start SLAX Press Enter at the boot prompt Login to SLAX with the username: root and password: toor Type startx to start SLAX To shutdown Qemu Slax: From the K Menu select logout, then type poweroff from the terminal window Update 9/24/07: Slax can now be run with Kqemu on a Windows Vista host. Related Posts: Portable Qemu Persistent Ubuntu tutorialRun Ubuntu from Windows via a portable USB Hard driveRun a Live Linux CD from within WindowsUsing Qemu to boot any Linux ISO from within WindowsQemu Persistent KnoppixPosted April 2nd, 2007 at 3:36 pm under: Virtual Machine Emulation Portable Linux Categories Flashdrive installs using Linux Flashdrive installs using Windows Install Linux to a USB hard drive Using and Configuring Linux Virtual Machine Emulation Popular USB Linux Posts Run Pendrivelinux from Windows Pendrivelinux install via Windows Ubuntu 7.10 flashdrive install Run Ubuntu without rebooting USB Knoppix flashdrive install Run Knoppix without rebooting USB Gentoo install using Windows USB DSL install using Windows USB PCLinuxOS MiniMe install USB SLAX HowTo Run SLAX without rebooting USB MCNLive install Feather Linux flashdrive install USB Ultimate Boot CD install New Pendrive Linux Posts Run Ubuntu 7.10 from Windows Ubuntu Remote Desktop Sharing USB PCLinuxOS 2007 Live install tutorial USB NimbleX install tutorial Qemu Persistent Knoppix Creating a Portable Qemu Ubuntu Orca for the blind How to install deb packages Upgrading NVIDIA Drivers in Debian Lenny Permanently remove information from your USB Drive Use a Floppy to Boot USB Pendrive Linux Pendrivelinux install to a portable USB hard drive Installing Ubuntu to a USB hard drive How to set up your own Debian Linux Mirror USB Pendrivelinux install from Windows How to install Compiz Fusion on Debian Lenny How to install Intel PRO ipw3945 wireless drivers How to exit a Linux man page USB Linux Mint install from Windows USB Linux Help Sections USB Boot compatibility test USB Help and Tools Boot Cheatcodes BIOS USB Boot Options Saving changes - Persistence Linux Live CD list USB Pendrive Benchmarks Pendrive Reviews & Benchmarks ©2006-2008 Pen Drive Linux Credits and Resources Linux is a registered ™ of Linus Torvalds. casper debian linux flash pen knoppix kqemu linux linux on a usb pendrive pclinuxos pen drive pendrivelinux persistent qemu slax slax linux ubuntu ubuntu linux usb device usb flash drive usb hard drive usb linux usb stick vista  Works in 98SE System as Multi-boot or Usb Boot! |
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Jul 17 2008, 08:00 AM
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Member Group: Members Posts: 115 Joined: 15-December 06 Member No.: 118577
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hmmm... do you have a link to that stuff?? I'ld like to look into it some more....
beginning to seem like this UBCD I got is really "ultimate"... I like. Thanks ThyDreamWalker |
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Jul 17 2008, 08:14 AM
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MSFN Junkie Group: Software Developers Posts: 3623 Joined: 23-July 04 From: Italy Member No.: 25215 OS: none
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QUOTE (DeadDude @ Jul 17 2008, 04:00 PM) hmmm... do you have a link to that stuff?? I'ld like to look into it some more.... Hmmm, you don't have access to Google? http://www.ultimatebootcd.com/ http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/03/09/us...x-from-windows/ http://www.pendrivelinux.com/2007/04/02/qe...ent-slax-linux/ http://www.pctechtips.org/QemuSlax.htm http://unix-tutorial.blogspot.com/2008/04/...linux-slax.html jaclaz |
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