Jaclaz is actually right, I've tweaked 8.1 pretty heavily to make it more "serious" and less apt to be chatty online. Since I have reconfigured/tweaked/augmented EVERY version of Windows to make them better, I don't see what I've done with 8.1 as fundamentally different - though you could argue I've done a little MORE with it. I never had to re-theme 7, for example, nor had to remove a whole set of Apps. But I HAVE replaced the Start Menu (with Classic Shell) going all the way back. I have augmented 7/Vista/XP/2000/NT4/NT3.5/and all the others with 3rd party software that does Good Things. Win 10 isn't the first "bad" version. I think of it as just a darker shade of gray, with NO bright spots making it attractive. It's just that 8.1 was closer to the time that Microsoft cared about serious computing, and they hadn't ruined quite so many things yet. It was a bit easier to resurrect usefulness - though to be fair I've already done that with Win 10 as well (in virtual machines). With acceptance of some degradation of the desktop look and feel I could certainly live with Win 10. It does what I need. Just not better in any way I can discern (and trust me, I've looked hard). The advantage to my having chosen to do all this to 8.1 is that it has a bit longer "supported life" than 7 - though does that matter any more? "Support" from Microsoft has devolved into a "we've got a foot in the door, let's push Win 10 through it" situation. I haven't taken any updates on any systems this month, and I only took a few last month. Amazingly, nothing has fallen over and died yet. What I described above is my interactive workstation. I do have a small business server here also, still running Windows 7 (and no plans to "upgrade" to 10). It's working well enough too with nearly 2 months solid uptime and zero glitches. "If it works, don't fix it" -Noel