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EDIT: FWIW, I wrote this reply before this whole opera was consolidated into its own thread; JodyT's comments seemed (to me) rather strikingly off-topic and pointless in the context of the thread they initially appeared in. One of the reasons I personally tend to at these types of posts of yours is that IIRC you've mentioned a number of times how you used to really hate some newer Windows versions, and how now you've learned to like them and "moved on" from XP, with a strong implication that everyone should do the same. Somehow, the way you present it comes across as a religious argument, about how you used to believe in a wrong god but now you've found the right one and everyone should do the same. For starters, logically a big part of "moving on" would be that you don't keep coming back to lecture those who are now in the "wrong" from your point of view. I assume the reason most people say harsh words about Windows 10 is because they've tried it and strongly dislike certain aspects of it and MS behavior surrounding it. It's a fresh experience for them, often an ongoing one, they haven't "moved on" from it years ago. That's completely different from your self-described situation with XP. Then, I think virtually none of the regulars here are still on vanilla XP, they have all gone down the POSReady 2009 route. So talking about it as if people who are (for all intents and purposes) using a product still supported by MS - with updates coming out every month just as for any other supported Windows version - are irresponsible and a major threat to the Internet or whatnot is simply twisting the reality. A lot of the people here are more than capable of determining whether or not their choice of OS is a risk to them and the world at large or not - and they're unlikely to appreciate implications to the contrary. Wait until after the POSReady EOL. maybe? And finally, why does there have to be something irrational about someone still using XP, can't it be a perfectly rational decision? If it still does everything we need (and doesn't do what we don't want), why shouldn't we keep using it? As I think I've already said in a similar discussion in the past, we live in the age of virtualization and can and do use other OS-s in parallel to XP whenever such a need arises. i know that should XP outlive its usefulness for me and become a hindrance or an unacceptable security risk, I will stop using it as my main OS, no question about it. But I'm not going to do so because of marketing speak, scare tactics, artificial crippling of software, or anyone's proselytizing, and I think many people here feel the same.

Vista still has a long life ahead of it even without updates XP is still pretty alive in 2017 with a bunch of software still supporting it. Vista has a very similar code to 7, so occasionally programs designed for 7 or later may accidentally work on Vista, too bad that isn't the case for xp xD An example of a program working unintentionally was Qupzilla 1.66 on Windows 2000. A nice web browser that still supports Vista is Maxthon, Qupzilla?, Palemoon?, and Dooble.

Hello everyone, in the last past few months I have been working on a windows nt 4.0 api wrapper which can run softwares designed for new windows's version. I'm writing the functions in inline assembly (I'm using ida) and C. (There is also some code from reactos and wine). There are some issues with certain softwares, some don't load at all and some crash, so I can't release nothing for now. What are some software you use and you want to run on it? List me and I will try to get them work. Unfortunately firefox (the 3.5 version and newer), opera 12.18 and utorrent don't load even if I added the missing functions... They don't throw me any error, they simply don't load at all... Maybe I have to do something. I will investigate. Here, there are some software that load. Filezilla 3.8.1 (last version crashes, but I think I will be able to get it work) vlc 2.2.0 last version of 7-zip last version of Sumatra (it's a little buggy but it reads pdf).

I downloaded (what is supposed to be) the browser) from MajorGeeks and it appeared to be nothing more than a re-packaged version of Tor... I think simply listing Tor Browser and Firefox 52 ESR shall continue to saffice. I see no difference between them and this browser that warrants a new entry. Thanks a lot for trying the game out on Vista, I will now remove the disclaimer. Thanks for letting me know about Maxthon. I have added it to the ongoing support section. I personally couldn't get Qupzilla 2.0.1 to install in Vista (installer gave an NSIS error), and 2.0.2 would install and run, but as soon as I tried to load any webpages with it, it crashed the entire operating system. It is for this reason that I added Qupzilla 1.8.9 as the true last version for Vista. Pale Moon and Dooble are already in the ONG section. Pale Moon IMHO is the best browser choice for Windows Vista. As I mentioned earlier, the main developers actually listened to me when I told them about the problems with the 64-bit version of the browser under Vista back in June 2017. Instead of backing out of supporting Vista or blaming me for using an "obsolete" operating system, the problem was fixed and the browser works better than ever. In addition to the former, it also utilizes Windows Vista's features quite well, such as DirectWrite font rendering and system codec support (these were added in Platform Update and Platform Update Supplement for Windows Vista), something that Google never managed to (properly) pull off with Chrome. Speaking of Chrome, even Windows Aero was no longer utilized in Google Chrome under Vista after version 40, due to Google discontinuing development for the Vista version of Chrome and simply throwing Vista on XP's version of Chrome... To this day, it irks me that this occurred. They can blame "low usage" and "lack of feedback" all they want to, but I know d*** well that they did it as an excuse to drop Vista and XP support simultaneously. Kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. The fact that Mozilla and Moonchild managed to pull these things off just fine without the apparent need for "feedback" doesn't help Google's case. Oh well, who needs Chrome when we have Pale Moon, Slimjet 10, and Firefox 52 ESR?

Maybe, or maybe he thought of a possibly common incident involving high-end Aston Martins : (though most probably somethign similar may happen to Bentley's as well) JFYI, we (dencorso and me) had recently a PM exchange on the opportunity to have a BfB (Bang for the Bucks) unit of measure when comparing performance of things that can be bought. Personally (being besides grumpy also cheap) I rate cars using the PEV (Panda Equivalent Value) which is an abstract and arbitrary unit of measure roughly valued at the moment Eur 13,000 (i.e. the average "list" price of a Panda) but expressed in thousands, 13k. Max Speed (comfortable/sustainable) of the Panda is assumed 130 km/h, so the S ratio is a nice, round 130/(13*1)=10 As an example a Renault Clio Turbodiesel has a PEV of 19k/13k=1.46 so S is 150/(13*1.46)=7.89 An Aston Martin Vanquish Coupè has a Pev of 273k/13k=21 so S is 220/(13*21)=0.81 The PEV is useful because you can say "wait a minute, I can buy more than twenty Pandas with that kind of money". @dencorso Naah, you are missing a point, if you have a Lagonda, you also have a chauffeur, and you can afford another one when his points are lost. jaclaz

@greenhillmaniac @2008WindowsVista Sonic Mania Working on Vista x64 https://imgur.com/a/HWIAL

Ok, XP sucks (when compared with Windows 2000). As a matter of fact Windows XP is Windows 2000 with a number of mostly unneeded bells and whistles bolted on it. Again the base issue is the "one OS to rule them all". Until XP we had Windows NT and 2000 for "professionals" and Windows 9x/Me for "home users". Both professionals and home users were pretty much happy about their respective OSes as each did what they expected. XP re-unified the two categories, adding multi-user logon (and permissions, and quotas) to the innocent home users, making the setup and mantainance of the system much more complex, while adding (largely unneeded) plug 'n play extensions, multimedia features etc, to the professionals. The peak of abomination in XP came with Service Pack 2. Since the OS was deployed (because of the "home users" target) on scarce quality hardware with unstable drivers that were conflicting with managing large amounts of memory the good MS guys decided to remove PAE support to more than 4 Gb RAM from XP, thus damaging the professionals that actually had more than 4 Gb. On the other hand (thanks to the sheer quantity of "home users") the professionals benefitted from a number of software tools and new hardware (good enough for professional use) that would probably had never been developed if the user base had the same numbers of Windows 2000. And with some care, and once removed the most intruding bells and whistles, XP is as good as Windows 2000, actually it is Windows 2000, only a tad bit more bloated than needed. jaclaz

@JodyT, First off, the way I see it, your comments and views are very appropriate and appreciated here at MSFN, and we're not trying to say that you shouldn't make them at all. We're just criticizing where you make them. They are appropriate in a thread talking about the OS of your choice, Windows 8 for you, where you can extol on why you are glad you made the switch. They're good in a thread about OS in general where comments about all OS are welcome. They are fine in a thread about XP that is about both the positives and negatives, or negatives only for that matter since that matches your views. They're appropriate when there is a question directly posed about whether someone should, or should not, switch from XP or to Windows 8.x. But in a thread specifically about the positives, or in this case the public continued use, of XP, they are not appreciated. Instead they come across, as @mixit explained, preachy at best. And it comes across that you are especially against XP since your posts about moving to Windows 8 seem to be almost always in threads about XP, and rarely, if ever, in threads about Windows 9.x, Win2K, Vista, Windows 7, or even Windows 10. And in a case of the pot calling the kettle black, in ends up that you are also using an OS that is no longer fully supported. According to Redmond Magazine on 2016-01-13, Windows 8 No Longer Supported and Potentially Insecure: On 2016-01-13, the table for Window 8 referred to above lists the Mainstream Support End Date as 2018-01-09 and the Extended Support End Date as 2023-01-10, but if you look at that table today, both dates are listed as Not Applicable. The article's point, though, that you have to move to Windows 8.1 within two years of its availability, is still the same. There are no exceptions made if your hardware does not fully support Windows 8.1, which is your situation I believe? But you'll probably say that that's OK since you apply the updates from Server 2012 so you're still covered. Isn't that the same thing that POSReady accomplishes for XP users? And even if you absolutely insist on stating your views where they are not appreciated, they might be better tolerated if you didn't seem to always insist on having the last word on the matter. You could have let the matter drop after your first post and @dencorso chastized you, but you had to respond to dencorso, jaclaz, and heinoganda even though you kept saying "I will leave it at that" and "no more on this from me, I promise." You are in a definite minority in preferring Windows 8. According to NetMarketShare.com's Desktop Operating Market Share, Windows 8 only has a market share of 1.35%, Windows 8.1 and XP each have 6.07 %, Windows 10 has 27.99% and Windows 7 has 48.43%. But yet I can't remember a specific case where anyone criticized you for your choice. That is one of the great things about MSFN. There are support threads here for users of almost all of the various MS OS. So I hope you will agree that dencorso should split these posts into a different thread. It might end up being an interesting one. It might even encourage folks that agree with your position to post, since so far they haven't. Like you said, we are all more likely to learn something if we have a thorough discussion on the matter, instead of the current situation where you are trying to make your point and we are mostly telling you to not make your point here. Cheers and Regards

Thanks!

I don't see why Wikipedia needs encryption it all, let alone to insist on strong one. It is a public knowledge base, not a bank. My understanding or security is superficial, but the only risk I can imagine is where the password of a Wiki account gets obtained and used elsewhere. A few years ago Wiki only required SSL during log in to secure against this. Why would they limit read-only access to the site? Practically Internet Explorer 8 has long been too slow to browse most modern websites with complex, bloated layout, secure or not.

It's probably funny. But I see extra much more funnier when someone uploads buggy beta version 1.5.4.935 of the Aero Glass and then he complains about beta version of the operating system. What about inject UxTSB.dll in SystemSettings.exe (new Personalization Panel)?

Not only, When everyone agrees there are risks : http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks05/0500421h.html#c03 Now to get back on topic (of the need to disagree), we must agree to disagree. One thing is someone expressing his/her own disappointment (or disgust) at something (or on the contrary show one's enthusiasm or appreciation for something). Another thing is telling other people what they should do. So, I can say that the way Metro Apps work suck (and suck big) and you can say (hypothesis) that they are much better than traditional programs. Both these are opinions, and each of us will bring some arguments, examples, anecdotes, etc. in favour of his thesis, and possibly the discussion will also heat up a little bit, but all the time the reciprocal respect remains unchanged. The moment I start (still hypothesis) saying that people using Metro Apps should be fired, that professionals should not allow the use of Metro Apps, I am clearly stepping over a (maybe subtle and almost invisible, still right there) border line, starting to touch other people freedoms. reputation and what not. Much more if there is not a fully demonstrated, 100% proved, objective, undeniable reason behind such a thesis. Besides, comments like your original one (as dencorso stated off-topic here since the thread is - or was - intended only as a "documentary" of the remaining "public" use of XP) will inevitably provoke a rebuttal, and then a (senseless) war is likely to start, with reciprocal accuses of incompetence, fanboyism, condescence, etc. In other words, I believe that you can well start a new thread titled "Why Windows XP sucks" (or "is totally outdated" or "is insecure", etc.) and there we can well discuss (hopefully in a plain manner) the matter, but not here. As a matter of fact if we can (for once and exceptionally ) agree on something, if you are OK with it I would ask dencorso to move the off topic posts, starting from your original comment to a separate thread. jaclaz

Note, actually I have registered in this forum because the users reciprocally no accusations make which Windows version a user prefers. I also prefer Windows XP, but I also have no problems working with other versions of Windows. In many German-speaking forums, hardly one has what postet and already one can not save itself from comments. With under of because of you're a safety risk and other meanstream bla bla that give any self-appointed specialists of themselves. Therefore, mutual respect is one of the aspects that made this forum great!

If you configure XP properly in Corporate Environment it will outshine anything i. Most of the Application should be cloud based now a days so basically it is more secure like Office365. ii.Data should be stored in clouds like Gdrive , Gdrive still work on XP. iii. Good Hardware firewall and any endpoint security will serve beyond what Microsoft can serve in patch Tuesday Advantages of using XP:: i. Comp ability with most of modern as well as all older software . A company cannot invest millions of dollars on software for ditching their old operating system . ii.Outstanding LAN performance ; No one can deny can XP/server2k3 runs fast dealing LAN networks like print command is very fast in xp. iii. Old hardware can outshine with fabulous performance since just a P4 and 1gb ram is overkill for XP. iv. Low maintenance since 7 and newer has lots of system components generates too much fragments in hdd , temps and bloating of registry etc . Their fore they requires a yearly reinstall where as XP can be easy optimized with freewares easily . v. Production application runs very fast on XP . Like visual studios ,3d max , Maya ,fl studio outperform when they runs on XP . Thanks to AUDIO , VIDEO and CPU accelerators which are well optimized in XP.

What I think of the upcoming Firefox versions, simple censorship! https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/08/08/mozilla-information-trust-initiative-building-movement-fight-misinformation-online/ http://www.businessinsider.de/mozilla-new-initiative-counter-fake-news-2017-8?r=US&IR=T http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-08-14-firefox-browsers-will-soon-block-fake-news-flagged-by-george-soros-linked-left-wing-groups.html For one, I think the other web browser to follow, on the other hand here is a freedom right restricted the free information procurement! Therefore, any older web browser should save versions for itself!

@Dibya, my friend, I hope nobody else responds to your post, and I wish you hadn't made it. dencorso already addressed jody's post, so your's was not necessary. Your comment was an example of what dencorso was trying to avoid. And before jaclaz mentions it, I will - Please stop using the phrase "my dear." You might think that it is the same as "my friend" as I used above, but in the US, (and other English speaking cultures?), it is not. I think it is often interpreted as condescending, at least in this day and age, so it is not appreciated. I know you meant well, but .. [I suppose that "my friend" could also be considered condescending by some, but I only use it for those I truly consider to be a friend, at least a casual one. However, if you view it as condescending then I will stop using the phrase.] Cheers and Regards

With all due respect, Jody, you're entitled to your opinion and I do respect it. But this thread is about registering the fact that XP actually still *is* everywhere, in a factual, objective way. Hence, you're way off-topic (and I trully suspect you knew that even before posting)... Let's please keep on topic. If you want to open the nth "XP users in corporate environment should burn in hell", please be my guest... but you already know it'll be a helluva flame-bait, in this specific forum, right?