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bunnny
I decided to start this thread to see others opinion..What they think about Vista SP 1 and meanwhile to exchange more useful tips & suggestions about it.
Please, share you experience and let's together
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cluberti
First, welcome to THE forum bunnny!

As to Vista SP1, I find it incredibly more sprightly in almost every way on my test machine (single-core AMD 3700+ w/2GB RAM and 1x 160GB SATA hdd). I've not had a lot of testing with my main rig (2x AMD Opteron 2300 quad-core w/64GB RAM and 4x 147GB SATAII), but that seems faster in almost every way too, so far (been on the test box for a month, the main rig only 1 week).
bunnny
QUOTE (cluberti @ Feb 23 2008, 10:09 PM) *
First, welcome to THE forum bunnny!

As to Vista SP1, I find it incredibly more sprightly in almost every way on my test machine (single-core AMD 3700+ w/2GB RAM and 1x 160GB SATA hdd). I've not had a lot of testing with my main rig (2x AMD Opteron 2300 quad-core w/64GB RAM and 4x 147GB SATAII), but that seems faster in almost every way too, so far (been on the test box for a month, the main rig only 1 week).



Thank you for welcoming me, Cluberti!
nice rig thumbup.gif
I'm still designing my new baby(my sig) and soon will be up, so don't pay your pro-attn to it blushing.gif

Regarding SP1 I am still under suspicious testing blink.gif , so we'll see it in the coming weeks!
Zxian
Vista SP1 does seem far more responsive on my laptop than RTM did. It's a Pentium-M 1.86Ghz, 2GB of RAM, and 160GB 5400RPM drive. At times when RTM would pause while catching up with all the things that were going on (I multi-task a lot), SP1 is much snappier.
snaithg
Had SP1 installed for a few days now, can't really say that I have noticed any improvements as yet. Will keep looking though.

Running on quite old spec Toshiba laptop so maybe this is the underlying problem.
Legolash2o
SP1 with vLite... excellent! thumbup.gif Working perfectly and flawlessly. No errors, BSODs, Crashes, etc...
suryad
I have read a fresh install with SP1 probably shows the most improvements. Also there is an article out by LanZen that should be an itneresting read for all Vista SP1 users. http://www.blog.lanzen.co.uk/?p=67
Legolash2o
Intreaging, that article was made March 2007 which was about a month or two after vista was released, there has been hundreds of fixes since then smile.gif Still a good find though thumbup.gif
Beresford
RDP client is working better for me, I can now connect to clients I couldn't before without tweaking networking.
Also, RDP remembers the domain and username you last used to connect to a specific server.
cluberti
I love that article.

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The issue won’t affect OEM users who buy new workstations with OEM software pre-installed, but will catch corporate users upgrading from XP. It could lead to piracy claims against upgrading companies. At best resources will be tied up sorting out the mess. Not good.
Any IT staff upgrading to Vista and cought off-guard by this (either at RTM or now) should be ashamed of themselves. All it takes is a KMS server and your KMS keys to bypass this. Not to mention the BIGGEST gaping hole in the antipiracy initiatives of XP / 2003 and older was the VLK product key not requiring activation, and this was well documented and passed on to shops with SA agreements (and to the internet as a whole) that this WAS going to change in Vista and Server 2008. Any shop who does their research before rolling a major upgrade out would no doubt NOT be caught by this. A non-starter and sensationalism at best.

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Symantec have just produced an excellent report into a number of serious flaws in Microsoft much-hyped secure operating system. They’ve found that far from protecting users from common virus and trojan infections, Vista actually poses a higher risk by giving users false assurances of protection.

Symantec lab-tested 2,000 common varients of malicious code, like backdoor, keylogger, rootkit, mass mailer, Trojan, spyware, adware and unsorted. They installed them as a user might, watching how Vista handled them. They tested if they could run and if they could survive a re-boot.
Yes, that's the key phrase there, "as a user might", most likely clicking the "allow" button in the UAC dialog. I make this assumption based on the results, especially changing protected reg keys - this can ONLY happen if the admin allows it by disabling UAC or clicking "allow" when prompted, because these accesses always trigger UAC. This is of course what some people will do when presented with the dialog if they aren't paying attention, and yes, bound to be a problem. If someone says "yes, please install this virus as the sysadmin", what do you expect to happen? I'm sorry, but users CANNOT be saved from themselves if they aren't willing to be a part of security (security is something you do, not something you buy or some software you run, for goodness' sakes), and this isn't a Microsoft problem per-se. It's why companies like Symantec have a place in the world. If the user had clicked "don't allow" in the UAC dialog, I'd wonder how many of these (at RTM) would have installed and run, and I'm even more interested at SP1 if this would have changed. Again, a bit of sensationalism (yes, a security study sponsored by an antivirus vendor, no conflict of interest - let's spout it as fact!!!).

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A Symantec technical source has said “The implication is that the vast majority of Windows Vista hosts are, by default, remotely accessible via IPv6 and Teredo”.

This places a serious risk on a conventionally-protected network. Microsoft have concentrated on protecting their marketing advantage and not consulted network standards and security authorities before releasing this feature.
Sheesh - Teredo is IPv6 tunneling to another IPv6 host over an IPv4 network. Yes, it'll bypass IPv4 firewalls and routers if they allow the IPv4 traffic (like all other IPv4 traffic that's allowed, btw), but the end host has to be an IPv6 host to receive the packets, and it is hopefully running a firewall that can accept the IPv6 traffic tunneled over IPv4. The traffic tunneled over IPv4 will then pass through the firewall on the host once it's back to IPv6 traffic (if Vista or another host with an IPv4 and IPv6 firewall), so I fail to grasp the "problem" here. If someone turns the Windows firewall off, or installs an IPv4 only firewall, then yes, this is a possibility, and one that should be thought out and prevented when you enable IPv6 on a host! As to enabling it, eventually you have to enable IPv6 on clients by default, or we aren't going to get there fast enough (and no, I fail to see how enabling IPv6 causes a security risk because only other hosts running IPv6 can talk to the Vista box over IPv6 (regardless of whether it's tunneled or straight IPv6, and the admin should have already secured those machines, dammit). Another "sensationalism" meant to scare you, when in fact, IPv6 and IPv4 are firewalled on Vista hosts by default, so I see this as yet another non-issue.

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Instead of offering Vista users a higher level of security than XP, Microsoft is actually exposing them to further and far more sinister risks with Vista. And that is unforgivable.
The only thing unforgivable is the unresearched and obviously biased opinions from this site on the issue(s). Don't believe everything you read, kids. yes.gif no.gif
suryad
I went to a friends house today and installed an 8800 gt and a blu ray drive and upgraded his PSU for his HTPC. He has Vista Ultimate running on it. It had SP1 installed on it. I tried copying the downloaded Nvidia drivers from one folder to another. It took 10 minutes and didnt even finish. It was only 30 MB. I hit Ctrl X and Ctrl V simple right? Vista was flabbergasted apparently.

Next was shutting down the machine after installing the drivers. took 30 min. Not kidding. Ok more like 22 min and then we gave up and hit the pwoer button and restarted it. This is on a dual core 2 ghz with a gig of ram. Granted not the most powerful machine but it should have still run decent. What a piece of barf Vista is. I do like the UI though...
Zxian
QUOTE (suryad @ Feb 24 2008, 09:15 PM) *
Next was shutting down the machine after installing the drivers. took 30 min. Not kidding. Ok more like 22 min and then we gave up and hit the pwoer button and restarted it. This is on a dual core 2 ghz with a gig of ram. Granted not the most powerful machine but it should have still run decent. What a piece of barf Vista is. I do like the UI though...


There's something else going on there. You can't say that a whole operating system is garbage because of one incident. I copy multiple files back and forth and haven't noticed any major slowdowns when it comes to that. Startup on my laptop is comparable to XP SP2, and shutdown is actually quicker.

My laptop is by far less powerful than that system (Pentium-M 1.86Ghz, 2GB DDR2-533, 128MB ATI X300 mobility, 5400RPM notebook hard drive) and Vista handles the limited hardware better than XP ever did when I put the machine through it's paces.

Vista with 1GB of RAM is slightly limiting, but shouldn't be causing the problems you describe. The extremely slow file copying and slow shutdowns indicate another problem, either with the hard drive subsystem, or some other hardware related issue.
cluberti
QUOTE (Zxian @ Feb 25 2008, 12:24 AM) *
QUOTE (suryad @ Feb 24 2008, 09:15 PM) *
Next was shutting down the machine after installing the drivers. took 30 min. Not kidding. Ok more like 22 min and then we gave up and hit the pwoer button and restarted it. This is on a dual core 2 ghz with a gig of ram. Granted not the most powerful machine but it should have still run decent. What a piece of barf Vista is. I do like the UI though...


There's something else going on there. You can't say that a whole operating system is garbage because of one incident. I copy multiple files back and forth and haven't noticed any major slowdowns when it comes to that. Startup on my laptop is comparable to XP SP2, and shutdown is actually quicker.

My laptop is by far less powerful than that system (Pentium-M 1.86Ghz, 2GB DDR2-533, 128MB ATI X300 mobility, 5400RPM notebook hard drive) and Vista handles the limited hardware better than XP ever did when I put the machine through it's paces.

Vista with 1GB of RAM is slightly limiting, but shouldn't be causing the problems you describe. The extremely slow file copying and slow shutdowns indicate another problem, either with the hard drive subsystem, or some other hardware related issue.

Or antivirus, or windows defender (although in SP1 I haven't seen this cause a disk issue like it could in RTM), or anything else with filter drivers.

Don't always blame Windows for other vendor's problems. You should always do some research before blaming the host for something (like slow file copy) - in RTM, this may actually have been true, but it's far less likely in SP1. Those speeds are REALLY slow, at least RTM would finish. I'd bet antivirus is the cause there, or perhaps a 3rd party firewall.
kutster
Now my question is How did you guys get SP1? I have looked around and can't seem to find a download anywhere. See I am hoping to reinstall Vista soon and want to have SP1 when I do it instead of later. Possibly Integrate it into my installation, but I rather not wait till mid-march to do it.
snaithg
QUOTE (kutster @ Feb 25 2008, 04:54 PM) *
Now my question is How did you guys get SP1? I have looked around and can't seem to find a download anywhere. See I am hoping to reinstall Vista soon and want to have SP1 when I do it instead of later. Possibly Integrate it into my installation, but I rather not wait till mid-march to do it.


Downloaded mine from MSDN ("Top Downloads").

Graham.
TravisO
I grabbed SP1 when the original RTM leak happened, so I've had it installed for almost 14 days now. It's a dual core Athlon laptop /w 1gb of ram and iirc a 6xxx Nvidia. I have Aero and the Widget Sidebay disabled, which are the two biggest reasons for Vista "bloat".

My wife uses the laptop and I noticed when she plays 2nd Life in a Window, after SP1, it nearly doubled her frame rate (but it worked fine in fullscreen). File copying across the network seemed faster (as it's suppose to). She uses the laptop easily 8hrs a day total, so I'd say SP1 is both stable and good.

I didn't make it a point to do before/after benchmarks, I'm talking purely as a "how it feels" experience. I haven't been the biggest fan of Vista, but I'd say between disabling those two features and SP1, Vista is not that bad actually. I plan on running it on the new desktop I'm building.
fizban2
Made the plunge and moved to vista 64 bit, C2D w/ 4 gig of ram. everything flies, they only item i could not get working was my old creative webcam (driver issues and wasn't supported or going to be) got a cheap live cam and it works good. games are fast, response times in all applications are amazing. i have yet to run into an app that i cannot run which suprised me the most. Anyone on the edge, take the plunge it is worth it
nmX.Memnoch
QUOTE (snaithg @ Feb 25 2008, 11:03 AM) *
Downloaded mine from MSDN ("Top Downloads").


The full SP1 integrated DVDs are being posted to MSDN now. I'm currently downloading the x86 Business/Home Basic/Home Premium/Ultimate ISO (it's the only one currently available). thumbup.gif
Zxian
QUOTE (nmX.Memnoch @ Feb 25 2008, 11:24 AM) *
The full SP1 integrated DVDs are being posted to MSDN now. I'm currently downloading the x86 Business/Home Basic/Home Premium/Ultimate ISO (it's the only one currently available). thumbup.gif


Eew... 32-bit. The only reason I've got that on my laptop is because my CPU doesn't support 64-bit... all my other systems are getting moved to 64-bit Vista SP1 when I get some free time this term... likely in May. wacko.gif
ripken204
ive been running ultimate 64bit sp1 on both my laptop and desktop for about 2 weeks now and i like it alot. especially the increased network transfer speeds.
accessdenied042
I just installed it about 3 days ago and WOW! My pc got an adrenaline injection from SP1. Its an older P4 3ghz HT with 2GB of old DDR 400 but its now really better running Vista Business than before SP1. I haven't a single bad word regarding SP1 (RTM). thumbup.gif
war59312
Well, if I install SP1 on my asus laptop it will boot up only once and then if you shut it down and then boot back up, you cant. It blue screens with an error about the registry being corrupted.

I've confirmed it 4 times in a row, Microsoft is working on a fix. Then again I notified them about it during the beta too (over 6 months ago).
kutster
Got a download finally smile.gif

Did a total clean install installed drivers then SP1. Haven't had much time to play with it but just under 45 minutes to install! They better slow for the buying of the updated disk similar to what they did with the 64bit editions. They should make the disks free do to the fact they removed slipstreaming capability from it.
gunsmokingman
I have had SP1 since they released it on connect. I enjoy that Vista is now a little more faster.
The only thing I didnt like was how long it took to install SP1 on Vista RTM. I was glad when MS
placed a ISO of Vista with SP1 intergrated, on connect so now I do not have to install SP1 on to
my RTM Vista. I do not like the way you have to intergrate SP1 to Vista seems like to much work.
Innocent Devil
still hasn't tested on my s/m
tried to do in VirtualBox but the guestadditions not supported (probably drivers not signed)
running on vgasave driver

and goin to vlite it and test on my s/m
Grake
Notice a definite change on speed thumbup.gif I used Vista before, then went back to XP cause it was so sluggish. Installed Vista with SP1 now, things just pop up! The only thing I hate about it is that I can't change the user document location like I was able to in XP. Too many registry settings to play with and I don't feel like doing that. Rather just point a folder to another drive. Oh well, can't have everything.
chaddawkins
my antivirus , McAfee enterprise runs a lot smoother, of course I'm not sure if this is due to an update with McAfee or SP1
I don't have superfetch crashes like i was having with RTM
does seem to be better
How much hard drive space does SP1 eat up anyway? Just curious.
snaithg
QUOTE (Grake @ Feb 28 2008, 03:02 PM) *
Notice a definite change on speed thumbup.gif I used Vista before, then went back to XP cause it was so sluggish. Installed Vista with SP1 now, things just pop up! The only thing I hate about it is that I can't change the user document location like I was able to in XP. Too many registry settings to play with and I don't feel like doing that. Rather just point a folder to another drive. Oh well, can't have everything.


Unless I am misunderstanding what you are trying to achieve, you can still relocate your documents folder quite simply:-

From Explorer:
Select your "Documents" folder
Right Click
Select Properties
Select Location
Change to another location as required.

Graham.
nmX.Memnoch
QUOTE (nmX.Memnoch @ Feb 25 2008, 02:24 PM) *
I'm currently downloading the x86 Business/Home Basic/Home Premium/Ultimate ISO (it's the only one currently available).


QUOTE (Zxian @ Feb 25 2008, 03:10 PM) *
Eew... 32-bit.




The x64 DVD is now available on MSDN (at least for VL subscribers...not sure about everyone else). biggrin.gif
alexusbas
good day! anyone got the link for the sp1?

THNAKS
browney595
Installed SP1 last week after issues with IE7 not loading any pages reinstalled from OEM Disk and installed SP1 without any thing else on the machine have had no problems since
cluberti
QUOTE (alexusbas @ Mar 3 2008, 09:04 PM) *
good day! anyone got the link for the sp1?

THNAKS

If you've got a technet/MSDN subscription, it's available for download. If you're a VL customer, you can get it from your Microsoft rep or your online download location (if you have such in your contract). These are the only current locations for the hotfix download.

Otherwise, you wait for it to hit WU or the MU catalog or the http://www.microsoft.com/downloads site, or get yourself a subscription to MSDN. I'm sure there are other ways to go about acquiring it, but in my country those are considered illegal - the board rules also consider using these ways to be illegal as well. Technically, you should see it in March or April, so if you've waited since November of 2006, you can probably wait another month or two newwink.gif.
browney595
SP1 is also available for download from the OEM Parter Centre for those OEMs which have not been on in a while
Talderon
QUOTE (fizban2 @ Feb 25 2008, 11:23 AM) *
Made the plunge and moved to vista 64 bit, C2D w/ 4 gig of ram. everything flies, they only item i could not get working was my old creative webcam (driver issues and wasn't supported or going to be) got a cheap live cam and it works good. games are fast, response times in all applications are amazing. i have yet to run into an app that i cannot run which suprised me the most. Anyone on the edge, take the plunge it is worth it


I'll be working on mine this weekend!

Would you suggest making sure I have all my drivers ready before install? I have multiple hard drives, so no worries on that end, but other than your web cam, you run into anything else?

Thanks!
grafx1
my Vista is up to date with all the patches, so do you suggest installing the standalone SP1 or through windows Update ??

Thanks.
browney595
If you get offered the update VIA WU i would update that way as it will not be as big of a download as the standalone package (aprox 1.2gb for standalone)
accessdenied042
QUOTE (browney595 @ Mar 4 2008, 05:11 PM) *
If you get offered the update VIA WU i would update that way as it will not be as big of a download as the standalone package (aprox 1.2gb for standalone)


I have the MSDN version and its only 434MB. unsure.gif
browney595
ahh sorry i was thinking of the full download which includes the x86 and x64 img file which is available for MS OEM Partners
accessdenied042
ahhhh cool.gif I was wondering where the rest of mine was, lol. laugh.gif
browney595
Sure you could find the rest if you realy wanted it
alexusbas
hehe, too bad i'm not a subscriber of msdn or microsoft.

but can i still download the sp1 update?

thanks
cluberti
Not easily, no. There are no public links other than those.
MagicAndre1981
sign up at oem.microsoft.com with a live account and you can DL the wave0 installer since 22th February.
c0nt3nd3r
I've downloaded the ISO version but was wondering if I could use a program like MagicISO to install it or do I need to burn it to a cd/dvd?

Is it suppose to be 2.87GB in size?
MagicAndre1981
no it's only 1.1 GB and include both installers (x86 and x64) of the SP1. You can use MagicDisc or such a tool to mount the ISO.
browney595
also the download for an image should be a .img not .iso if downloaded from MS
browney595
also the download for an image should be a .img not .iso if downloaded from MS
nmX.Memnoch
I've never downloaded a .IMG from Microsoft. They're always .ISO's. I've had both a TechNet Plus and MSDN subscription for years...always ISO's. Even their monthly security update images are ISO's.
c0nt3nd3r
I have a Service Pack currently installed, however, I am not sure what version it is. How do I find this out?

Do I need to uninstall it before installing the current RTM build?

I tried installing IE 8 beta 1, but I get a message stating:
"The installation does not support your operating system's current Service Pack version."

When I right-click Computer and select properties it says I have Service Pack 1, v.688.
cluberti
This isn't related to this post, but you cannot install IE8 B1 on Vista unless it's running RTM or SP1 release - no SP1 beta will allow install.
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