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Legolash2o
Not sure if there is a topic already like this, but just wondering what everyone would like to see in Windows 7 (this isnt any official lol)

I would like to see:
  • x64 only - no "SysWOW64" or "Program Files (x86)" Just nice pure x64 native software & drivers. By the time it comes out there will be plenty of x64 software so its like there was no such thing as x86 at all.
  • Less Versions, no Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate, etc...
  • No WGA or activation - I don't use illegal software but within a week someone always figured out a way to get passed it, so id rather microsoft spent time/money on something useful! If it works then go for it biggrin.gif
  • Gaming Mode - No need to explain that one newwink.gif
  • Installation Selection - Like Windows 98 basically, you can select the components/features you want during the installaion even seleting "under the hood" components.
  • No backwards compatiblity - So just new software will work on it. But obviously old hardware too.
  • Much less services and dependencies.
  • Tabbed Explorer - mentioned on other websites too


What would you like to see?
Innocent Devil
unsure.gif
i fear that they might add one more VERSION for specifially for Gaming (crazy.gif not a gaming mode but full os only for that) dry.gif
abt wga: due to high level of piracy for XP they designed much better protection agaist it in Vista, and is a success, if this works against piracy they just simply copy that to next ver. too.

1 & 4 may happen true with MinWin being core and add layers or apps above it
Legolash2o
If WGA works then they should go for it, about MinWin ive read about that... have they started it from scratch? Gaming version of windows 7, actually sounds abit better but i bet they make it expensive. whats your "wishlist" for Windows 7?
Innocent Devil
1. MinWin (microkernel) and component arch on x86-64 only
more like gnu/linux - run the full kernel with a console
in minimal MinWin + cmd (or poweshell) so u need command expertise, shell scripting knowledge etc..
advantages: less mem.consumption by OS itself, more available 4 apps

ability to add components, ie if u cant live without GUI add the component "Windows explorer"
for Multimedia add components like Dx, WMP etc
for browsing add component IE (no other way if they dont make console webbrowser like lynx)

2.ability to select componest b4 install (as u said and requisite for wish 1)

3.complete independence b/w IE & WE

4. Again independent WOW64, ie if u dont plan to use 32bit apps donot install it,maybe some APIs that convert x86 procedures to execute on x86-64 .

5. Can we expect so called WinFS atleast in win 7.?

6. (Hope not) some wacky idea for wga (give a magnetic card reader and a card along with the OS Disc, if it is put and authenticated and enter u PIN then u go otherwise no go(like ATM)), dry.gif (am just kidding)

7.no server/client os discrimination (install server appliance and work as server, remove it and work as workstation)

and counting will post more when get some spark


Legolash2o
Got some nice ones up there thumbup.gif
Ashen
QUOTE (Innocent Devil @ Feb 28 2008, 06:56 AM) *
1. MinWin (microkernel) and component arch on x86-64 only
more like gnu/linux - run the full kernel with a console
in minimal MinWin + cmd (or poweshell) so u need command expertise, shell scripting knowledge etc..
advantages: less mem.consumption by OS itself, more available 4 apps

ability to add components, ie if u cant live without GUI add the component "Windows explorer"
for Multimedia add components like Dx, WMP etc
for browsing add component IE (no other way if they dont make console webbrowser like lynx)

2.ability to select componest b4 install (as u said and requisite for wish 1)

3.complete independence b/w IE & WE

4. Again independent WOW64, ie if u dont plan to use 32bit apps donot install it,maybe some APIs that convert x86 procedures to execute on x86-64 .

5. Can we expect so called WinFS atleast in win 7.?

6. (Hope not) some wacky idea for wga (give a magnetic card reader and a card along with the OS Disc, if it is put and authenticated and enter u PIN then u go otherwise no go(like ATM)), dry.gif (am just kidding)

7.no server/client os discrimination (install server appliance and work as server, remove it and work as workstation)

and counting will post more when get some spark


the last one wont ever happen, ms makes to much off selling diffrent os versions for workstation and server use.

i agree with some of what you said, and for server use a mode like windows home server where you dont need the GUI installed would be handy, mainly for remote managed servers.

and to #6. for the love of god, dont give ms any ideas!!!

WGA NEVER WORKS, DRM never works, within hours of an update to DRM/WGA somebodys found a fix, at most its days and a fix/crack is found, as the first post says, ms needs to just GIVE UP the antipiracy war, sell their os at a price that geeks can afford or are willing to pay.

my vision of this as i have said b4 is thus.

offer an "geek edition" of the os's that dosnt come with ANY support other then windows updates, no phone or email support(but email bug reporting ofcorse) and offer it of ALL editions of windows, charge a nomonal fee, 30-40-50-60-75 for diffrent editions,(server not included in that price list)
if somebody who buys that edition of windows needs to call ms for support, charge by the minute or call for support, sell ms support prepayed cards at bestbuy and the like.

as to the 32 vs 64 bit argument, i agree there shouldnt be a 32bit version of the os, BUT it should support older games and apps that are made to work on nt5 and up, i have ALOT of games that i play that i wouldnt want to loose just because some foolish people dont see the value in supporting older apps.

some fetures i would like to see.

1. minwin or simlar kernal, strip out the lagacy code, use plugins/exct to support apps that need lagacy code support, allow that to be added when/if an app needs it and not be loaded other then to support those apps, like a compat libery.

2. better startup/shutdown tuning tools built into the os, msconfig isnt neerly as powerfull as i would like to see, allow the same work to be done by editing files.

3. move away from the current regestry design, move to a beos like file system that supports attributes to files that can do the same jobs as many reg settings for apps, this would make removing spicific software easyer, tho with the way windows works it would still need some kind of reg equivlant for some things.

4. like said above a mode/option to choose manualy all the stuff you want to install and dont want to install.

5. combine with above, no services enabled by default that arent needed, set them to manual like mode for services that are commonly used insted of auto, if somebody uses something alot they can choose to set it to auto OR use a wizzard(eww) to choose to set it to auto(like people who need windows image aquisition loaded on boot)

6. support for alternate gui's native, build a fraimwork that allows people to design custom gui's for windows that give the same fetures as default gui but can look totaly diffrent.
now this one is a nice idea, BUT would need some basics some people here would complain about, it would need a default REQUIERED gui like basic explorer for remotedesktop from OEM's like Dell when helping noobs(like my father), this wouldnt need to be large, infact it could be quite small and compact and could be used as a base for other gui's to sit over (like windowblinds)

7. better driver fraimwork and install/remove management, todays drivers dont remove all their CRAP when they uninstall, this causes problems, i think if ms changed how the install/remove managment is done it would help, have the manager monotor all changes the installers do so it can reverce them insted of relying on install shield, if done properly this could be a boon to all users, because it could also allow easy updates without the need to run an uninstall then clean then restart and install new drivers, updating files would be fast and simple with the proper driver manager.

thats most of my current wishes, i also would like to see better abstraction to prevent system lockups and crashes, and b4 any linux nut says that linux is imune to that, bs, i run linus/bsd on a couple systems, sometimes an app can force u to do a hard restart because when it buggers up, it takes the systemdown with it.

Oh thought of another one!!!

8. better memory managment system that can detect app memory leaks and stop/prevent them from getting worse, also would be nice if you could limmit via rclick menus how much ram an app is allowed to use smile.gif
mats
Make the destroy cross finally work like one.
In other words normal shutdown should be alt+f4 or menu and destroy should be just destroy. Just wipe the entire memoryspace of the app right away.
Make it a ring 0 or hypervisor funktion so an app or driver can't interrupt this action.

After all, it worked well on Solaris in the 90:s so it's time that we get it right too.
dranzer006
why not plug and play os like linux you will insert sd card and you pc will boot direct in to windows 7
it will be better than wga and the sd card will not store any thing your setting will be store on your
HDD or SSD (solid state drives) so if your pc gets infected by virus your windows wont get infected
and there wont be activation they will have user name and password (like eset nod)
also the motherboard will have a slot for sd cards like you insert an graphics card
then there wont be any piracy at all

what do you think ? do you like my ideas thumbup.gif
Legolash2o
I've alwyas thought of something like that biggrin.gif, but it can be updatable... like you can set it to how you want and then once you've done (it becomes read-only) if that makes sense, lol. But nice idea.
geek
1. 'unsigned' theme support out of the box. (ideally this would be like the gallery for sidebar clutter)
2. logon screen and boot screen customization (ability to bundle with the theme would be nice too)
3. ability to modify flip3d/minimize/maximize effects (bundling with themes/online gallery would be a nice touch)
4. native ability to change shortcut arrow for all shortcuts and ability to disable either per shortcut or all
5. always display the largest icon available for every icon. icons should never be scaled up always scaled down. implementing a gallery for this would be awesome (image if you could search online icon libraries natively)
6. better dual monitor support (MS should just buy the company that makes ultramon and roll it into 7)
7. remove every single 'access denied' prompt and replace it with an escalation prompt (UAC-like for home users, Username/password for domain)
8. allow an option for the 'All programs" menu to pop out of the start frame without haing to revert to the win2k style menu
9. make webdav work like it did in XP (wait i take that back i would prefer that it work properly)
10. ok Microsoft, blue is your thing. I understand that. just because you enjoy parading around in baby blue everything doesn't mean everyone else does. the only thing that youve skinned in the last 10 years that doesnt look like the boys section of a Babies 'R' Us exploded all over it is WMP11. Aero was a step in the right direction but i still have to hack 100 freakin' .dlls to rid myself of all the **** baby blue.


Awesome. like most 'give your idea' threads I respond to, I started off constructive and end up ranting like a lunatic by the end of the post. Im making a note here: HUGE SUCCESS.
Deman
  1. A partition structure similar to Linux, i.e. OS, Programs, Profiles. If you have to reinstall the OS then you simply can without losing your profiles or programs
  2. Better licensing, KMS is good but I shouldn't have to create twice as many images simply to please your anti-piracy requirements. Either allow multiple syspreps with rearm or allow the CMID key to be unique when using the -norearm switch in the unattend.xml file. Not everybody can use Microsoft Deployment and have nice cool unattended installs of every program.
  3. If the current Windows server administration tools don't work with Windows 7 then release some that do at the same time as Windows 7. I don't ever want to see a repeat of this again "we'll release Server 2003 adminpak for Vista shortly"... yeah, it's been over a year now guys. Sure there's a hack to get the pack to to install but it's still unacceptable.

    Likewise with Group Policy Management Console, if you're going to take tools out with the installation of a service pack then provide the installer for it at the same time as the pack is released. It doesn't need to have added features and functionality, you can do that later. We shouldn't be deprived of functionality.

    Sorry gone off track a bit there (it's a bit of a sore spot). Anyway

  4. Video playlists for Media Center would be great. You have them for music so why not video?
  5. Less versions, perhaps drop Home Basic and keep Home Premium, Business and Ultimate. Companies were selling dirt cheap PCs with 512Mb RAM and Vista Home Basic. The OS ran like a dog with a loaded AV and Microsoft gets the blame
  6. An enhanced network diagnostic tool would be nice, I remember testing the current one and managing to fool it by having a good IP but rubbish DNS server entries. It thought the Internet was down and suggested using DHCP. It should be simple enough to ping test a known IP, then test the DNS equivilent. You could really be clever and see if you can check the local and international link
  7. A nice installer where I only ever need to pick my country once and from that the default options for other things (timezone, dictionary, etc) are based from that choice. Obviously many countries have multiple time zones but for that simply jump to one of them.
  8. A search function for things like Group Policy and Windows AIK options would be good, the features are there but they can be a right pain to find sometimes
  9. The ability to run .NET programs in WinPE, things like system.io and system.network (or whatever it is) would be nice.

That's all I can think of for now. I can't remember if Vista does all of point 7 or just some of it. I'm sure it's better than the XP, 2000 etc installer but don't recall it basing everything on it.
anonymous_user
I want smaller system requirements.
nitroshift
QUOTE (anonymous_user @ Mar 8 2008, 01:16 AM) *
I want smaller system requirements.

I'm afraid your wish won't come true... Seeing that its kernel is based on Vista tongue.gif
Innocent Devil
QUOTE (anonymous_user @ Mar 8 2008, 04:46 AM) *
I want smaller system requirements.


yes it will be after 3 yrs of its release thumbup.gif (like all m$ oses)
TravisO
QUOTE (LegoLiam™ @ Feb 27 2008, 12:38 PM) *
* No backwards compatiblity - So just new software will work on it. But obviously old hardware too.
Do you always contradict yourself? Windows supports old hardware because they include a ton of drivers on the disc for old hardware. Considering how diverse the PC industry is, this is a great thing. And all these legacy drivers work great too.

Perhaps what you really want is to break backwards compatibility with old Windows applications, ala Mac OS10. Then when you try to execute an old program, it makes use of VirtualPC to run a Win95/98/ME session in a Window (minus the bootup and such). This would be a great thing for people that only use new programs as they'd have a leaner and meaner Windows, but a curse to those who run old programs because it means you need to tack on an extra 32mb block of ram for each legacy program.

MS just won't go this route, because the Win9x support is free, all the old DLLs are still here, Windows 2000, XP, Vista merely build on top of them. So it would take LOTS of work to remove something that isn't broken for a very small gain. Heck, even .NET builds upon old parts of Windows uses various abstraction layers, so even new apps are legacy apps. Removing the Win9x stuff would break EVERYTHING.

QUOTE (LegoLiam™ @ Feb 27 2008, 12:38 PM) *
* Less Versions, no Home Basic, Home Premium, Ultimate, etc...
Ok so then you only want to pay deluxe prices? Although what I don't like is the fact that Home Basic doesn't include the 3d UI which was suppose to be (and isn't) a big deal and it was the core part of their WOW advertising & tv commercial.

QUOTE (LegoLiam™ @ Feb 27 2008, 12:38 PM) *
* No WGA or activation - I don't use illegal software but within a week someone always figured out a way to get passed it, so id rather microsoft spent time/money on something useful! If it works then go for it biggrin.gif
WGA prevents mom & pop thieves that don't know any better, which probably account for 90% of piracy. At the very least, it stops corner store PC shops from installing the same copy of Windows on every PC they sell. So while it won't stop intelligent thieves, it still works great.

QUOTE (LegoLiam™ @ Feb 27 2008, 12:38 PM) *
* Gaming Mode - No need to explain that one newwink.gif
DirectX10 and Vista already do this, I recall reading that Vista will suspend certain services when in full screen DX mode.


Now for my list:
  • More visually impressive and functional use of Aero (3d UI), heck, at least OS10 added a reflection to their icon bar
  • Performance improvements... but that comes anyway for free via faster CPUs and cheaper ram, so MS doesn't need to do anything here
  • SQL based file indexing (what Vista was suppose to have originally) /w metadata tagging, true soft links (Unix style)
  • The delivery of half of the stuff that were in the Vista conceptual videos they posted back in 2003 (shared internet surfing, and shared Office so that students can work together from separate computers, and I'm not talking about remote desktop)
  • The ability to un-install services, at least 3rd party ones, as imho services are the newest way for trojan-ware to infect your system, and soon spamware.
DL.
I agree on most of your suggestions, nice ones!

These ones in particular:
-The ability to choose exactly which components to install, both during and before (=like nLite/vLite) the installation would be a really great feature.
-A "gaming mode" where most system resources are freed up for use by games and features they need.
-A more customizable system and easy to do it.

I would like to see a more powerful Explorer (file manager), with many features currently found in 3rd party tools. Since an OS needs a great file manager (and every single OS has one), they probably won't be in trouble for making it the best there is.
Innocent Devil
i too suggested for pre/on -install components selection.
but the reason for its removal from XP betas onwards is to reduce the no. of Options to the end user, which obiviously make more confusion to an *ORDIANRY* end user. (more choice more confusion)

its better 4 m$ to have the same with sme install switches which shows the component selection.
Witt3439
(Let me start out by saying that I mean absolutely NO disrespect to anyone here, but instead dedicate this to all of those who are tired of all of the "my XP is better that your Vista, and my Vista can do more than your XP" garbage!)
What I would really like to see most in the next version of Windows, is a version of Windows that is more widely accepted and not criticized every chance people get because it is different.

To do that, it would have to be stable enough to figure out pi to the one-billionth decimal while I play a game and download from a torrent site at the same time, use NO memory and be able to run on a 333MHz processor while giving back emulated DX10 graphics on a GeForce2 MX400 video card (so nobody can complain).
The newest version of Windows also must be perfect so that NO patches are required for it later on, unlike all of the current version of Windows and even MAC. It also must be free so I don't have to pay anything for it.

OK, there you have it. My ideal look ahead of what the next version of should be like. (Hey, you asked.)
MrCobra
QUOTE (TravisO)
I recall reading that Vista will suspend certain services when in full screen DX mode.

To an extent, but Vista was supposed to be shipped with a 'game mode' that completely unloaded DWM and every nonessential service while in full screen DX mode.

QUOTE (Witt3439)
The newest version of Windows also must be perfect so that NO patches are required for it later on,

That will never become a reality. There isn't any software that exists that is bug free. There never will be.

I have three wishes for 7...

  • An option to install a core version of the OS with optional/additional components as I see fit. I don't need a one size fits all OS.
  • Complete virtualization of legacy apps code. Why have legacy code for Windows 1.01 apps? Or for OS/2 Presentation Manager apps?
  • Registry Virtualization. Keep a central registry for hardware and OS settings, but completely virtualize the registry entries that 3rd party apps create and store those in the install folder of the application. Delete the folder for quick and easy program removal and no junk left behind.
arctirus
QUOTE (MrCobra @ Mar 22 2008, 04:23 PM) *
Registry Virtualization. Keep a central registry for hardware and OS settings, but completely virtualize the registry entries that 3rd party apps create and store those in the install folder of the application. Delete the folder for quick and easy program removal and no junk left behind.


That's a great idea. i miss having all the settings in .ini files from win311



joe43wv
I'd like to at least a stable OS. I've about had my feel of Vista. I've got a feeling that Vista will in the end turn out like ME. Pretty but not functional.
Th3_uN1Qu3
ME is pretty functional if you know how to handle it. As for vista... oh well, don't get me started.

What i'd like to see in the next windoze:

Display Properties and Add/Remove programs applets back to their good old shape they had in XP
The ability to choose between classic, XP-style and vista-style start menu
Better compatibility
Aero interface fully working (ie not reverting to basic all the time) and using up less resources
Faster boot time
Less indexing garbage, fewer useless services
Fix the "music-slows-down-network" thing in vista.
cluberti
So.... basically you're saying you want XP with a window manager. smile.gif
easy
back to the roots

one special version for enthuastic people smile.gif
specialbao1
But can't it be smaller and more portable.Because windows vista is very slow in loading and a bit difficult for users to operate.How much space is kernel using?Will MinWin work well.Because kernel of windows vista is said to be alot better than windows xp in operating.And size of windows xp kernel is less than vista
TranceEnergy
To sum up everything that is actually neede is to let user be able to customize the kernel itself as well as ability to choose what is installed, down the the smallest .ico file. When MS release update for kernel, its updated on the individual packages needed to build the kernel.
A bit gentoo style but at 2009/20010 whenever, that isnt a problem nor is it today imho.
Peffse
Oddly enough, I wish there was a classic theme like windows 9X/2000. I know XP has a classic theme exactly like 9X/2000, and I know Vista also has the look of it... but it's messed it up completely in Vista. I like adding functionality to existing stuff, not rearranging things I already know.


Maybe the ability to customize the GUI would get me what I want.
PrinceAndy63
also, how about it actually uses less ram than vista
nitroshift
QUOTE (PrinceAndy63 @ May 26 2008, 04:24 AM) *
also, how about it actually uses less ram than vista


Seeing the dropping prices of RAM, there`s no excuse for anyone to have less then 2 GB of RAM in their rigs...
geek
QUOTE (nitroshift @ May 26 2008, 02:40 AM) *
QUOTE (PrinceAndy63 @ May 26 2008, 04:24 AM) *
also, how about it actually uses less ram than vista


Seeing the dropping prices of RAM, there`s no excuse for anyone to have less then 2 GB of RAM in their rigs...


Yeah im tired of hearing that excuse too. Im just glad Vista isnt as dumb as XP about memory usage. I hated having 2GB of ram but XP wouldnt even use a third of it before dumping everything in the PF.

If anything I hope windows 7 uses MORE ram -it'll drive the market away from x86 and x64 might see some decent attention from the OEMs. Think about it - if 7 recommends 3gb ram(hypothetically) then the OEMs wont be able to sell much in the way of memory upgrades so they might start defaulting to x64 OSes installed. Once every Ma & Pa PCbuyer are running x64 because thats what came on their PC, they will expect hardware and software to be supported on their PC and x86 will go the way of the dodo.
Th3_uN1Qu3
I have no problems with RAM usage - my TinyVista takes only 300-400MB at idle - but i have a problem with the general "feel" of the OS. It's smoother than XP, but this smoothness makes it feel laggy.
MrCobra
QUOTE (TranceEnergy @ May 24 2008, 03:08 PM) *
To sum up everything that is actually neede is to let user be able to customize the kernel itself as well as ability to choose what is installed, down the the smallest .ico file. When MS release update for kernel, its updated on the individual packages needed to build the kernel.
A bit gentoo style but at 2009/20010 whenever, that isnt a problem nor is it today imho.


There's absolutely nothing majorly wrong with the NT kernel except it has dependencies that shouldn't be in there. The MinWin project is a totally self contained kernel. It doesn't rely on anything outside of itself. Everything else plugs in. Windows 7 may see the use of this, but I highly doubt it.

In reply to what you posted...

The kernel will never be user servicable like in *nix. That would have MSFT relinquish the control it has over the OS.

I think the kernel space and user space should be 100% seperated. There is no reason a user mode app should be able to bring down the system as is currently possible on all versions of Windows.

And for goodness sakes, it they're going to get security concious after all these years of problems, at least build the security in instead of slapping it on top of everything else.
specialbao1
I also don't want to see the allow to run dialogue box.
Vista keeps on asking for allowing a program to run.I keep clicking yes without seing a programs name and a week ago a virus downloader asked to run and i clicked because i have got habit of it.And no sooner my computer was infected with viruses.
anonymous_user
QUOTE (geek @ May 26 2008, 01:29 AM) *
If anything I hope windows 7 uses MORE ram

Thats mean no.gif

I would like Windows 7 to run well on my computer without having to buy more ram.
shahed26
QUOTE (anonymous_user @ May 30 2008, 03:02 AM) *
QUOTE (geek @ May 26 2008, 01:29 AM) *
If anything I hope windows 7 uses MORE ram

Thats mean no.gif

I would like Windows 7 to run well on my computer without having to buy more ram.


lol.. tongue.gif ram are so cheap nowdays, even i want windows 7 to use more ram as this will really push people to buy more ram and software developers to really adopt and write x64 applications and take full advantage of x64 cpu's, and ofcourse the main benefit of x64 cpu, 4gb ram and more
Innocent Devil
m$ release win7 in x86-64 only, which directly removes 4GB limite and as time goesmin. 6or sme 8 gb will be std. install (may be withh SSD HDs u can load the full OS drive on RAM)
Legolash2o
QUOTE (shahed26 @ May 30 2008, 03:34 AM) *
lol.. tongue.gif ram are so cheap nowdays, even i want windows 7 to use more ram as this will really push people to buy more ram and software developers to really adopt and write x64 applications and take full advantage of x64 cpu's, and ofcourse the main benefit of x64 cpu, 4gb ram and more


I agree biggrin.gif
specialbao1
Yes.
The windows x64 provides more capabilities.
But it is not stable with older windows
iheartsims
Id like to have no Windows Genuine Advantage - I dont support piracy, but its un-neccessary. Pirates can crack it, so in reality, only genuine users have to have the pain of it, and theres always some false alarms. You don't see Mac Genuine Advantage or Linux Genuine Advantage!
geek
QUOTE (iheartsims @ Jul 26 2008, 05:15 PM) *
You don't see Mac Genuine Advantage or Linux Genuine Advantage!


well most linux distros are free and redhat (a non free distro) requires subscription to RHN to download updates (critical or not) so thats worse than WGA if you ask me (ties your personal info to your license key). I cant say what the situation is on Macs because im not a member of their cult but im pretty sure you cant get hackintosh updates from apple.

In my experience, WGA is is fairly painless (unless youre using the download center and firefox) if you do have to deal with it but most of the time it doesnt require any intervention from me to work correctly
crahak
QUOTE (iheartsims @ Jul 26 2008, 06:15 PM) *
You don't see Mac Genuine Advantage

Mainly because it's locked to run only on their hardware (the absolute lock-in). It's not like billions of people everywhere on the web could just install it on their PC.

QUOTE (iheartsims @ Jul 26 2008, 06:15 PM) *
or Linux Genuine Advantage!

Well, it's free... Same for BSD.

Yes, WGA sucks. I never had problems about WGA saying my stuff isn't legit, but a lot of downloads on MS' site require WGA validation, and you have to fire up IE for that one (or download and run some validating app, hardly better -- geek just posted that too while I was writing this). But they were bound to do something to reduce piracy at some point, and seemingly they're not doing bad at all.

Anyways, wishlist wise, there's about a million different things they could add/change/enhance and such (none of this total rewrite nonsense either):
  • virtual desktops/workspaces/viewports or whatever you wanna call those things
  • make aero more like compiz fusion (pretty much all of the features)
  • a built-in SSH server (yeah, I do know about PowerShell remoting) and a client too
  • something like taskbar shuffle (move tasks around in the taskbar)
  • something like ultramon (better dual monitor support)
  • utils like process explorer, process monitor and autoruns should be part of the OS/default install
  • something like unlocker built-in
  • make the zip file handling not suck (and handle more than .zip, that thing is useless; just add .7z support, and no one would use zip anymore in a couple years)
  • make the CD burning not suck (a real burning app for a change, like nero)
  • also add a CD image app that does iso read/write, and editing them too (like imgburn + ultraiso)
  • a system cleaner like ccleaner/ncleaner built-in (the built-in one is worthless & annoying)
  • keep improving the photo gallery (make it more acdsee-ish, add more options & features)
  • a decent ftp client (and server for the server OS, IIS is great and all... but not as a FTP server), sftp/scp would be real nice too
  • a nice rss feed reader like FeedDemon (perhaps with podcast support)
  • a good downloader manager app
  • make the snipping tool better (more like snagit), although it's a good start
  • leave notepad alone, but add another one with more features than just file open & save (perhaps like notepad++/editpad/ultraedit)
  • similarly, leave mspaint alone, but add a not completely useless app i.e. with more features (perhaps like an older paint shop pro)
  • while we're at it, leave the old calc alone too, and add a nice one (graphing, with reverse polish notation perhaps, etc)
  • music/video players worth using (like MPC & winamp, none of this WMP garbage)
  • make MCE not suck so badly (it could hardly be worse)
  • a better disk defragmenter
  • maybe some admin/power user-only tools (like regsnap & what not -- and why not a ramdisk? and a hex editor? a MSI repackaging/authoring tool?)
  • add even more command line utils (wget/sed/awg/grep/...-like apps, imagex & such, etc)
  • include the latest versions of all your runtimes & frameworks & such stuff (like silverlight)
  • make their mail app not suck (be it named outlook express or otherwise)
  • more "basic" apps, like perhaps a html editor (or blog "editor" these days...)
  • more config options on most things (options for the screensavers would be a start)
  • a system-wide dictionary that would work in all apps (much like firefox's built-in one)
  • something good to sync files (rsync-ish, with a front end?)
  • keep improving the firewall (not that I use one, but there shouldn't be a need for 3rd party tools for this)
  • some kind of universal/unified update mechanism for all your apps would rock for sure
  • a web browser that doesn't suck this badly (I've long given up even wishing for this one actually)
  • more filesystems supported
  • maybe a basic sound editor (I'm not asking for sound forge here, just the basics)
  • while I don't care for it or want one, lots of people would probably like a dock
  • a good font manager (long overdue)
  • something like girder for using a remote control

etc. I could list LOTS more.

99% of these aren't issues with Vista but Windows in general. And while Vista is a nice improvement over XP, I bet we won't see 99% of these addressed with Windows 7. And sadly, there's "nowhere" else to go. Linux doesn't run Windows apps (no, WINE isn't the answer either), and OS X is more of a problem than a solution (no thanks!). It really sucks wanting half of two different OS'es, and knowing you'll never get your wish.
heffalump
I wish they'd actually look back a try to slim down and speed up their operating system/gaming platform/multimedia/kitchen sink. Cut out all the useless extra crap that majority of people don't even use anyway - or have it all as optional downloads would be even better.

I guess I wish there wasn't this magic need to upgrade your hardware to "cope" with an operating system where you just end up doing the same old things you did in windows 95 or even windows 3.x anyway. Only it costs you hundreds of dollars more for the priveledge. But I know how it will be. "Oh noes your computer is rubbish upgrade it. Again! Pay more! For the same things you did before!" Oh well I can dream smile.gif
anonymous_user
QUOTE (crahak @ Jul 26 2008, 04:55 PM) *
Anyways, wishlist wise, there's about a million different things they could add/change/enhance and such (none of this total rewrite nonsense either):

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I say just leave the feature-rich programs to third-party developers. They do a good job of making them.

Besides I think Windows has too many programs already ouch.gif
crahak
QUOTE (heffalump @ Jul 27 2008, 09:59 AM) *
have it all as optional downloads would be even better.

Then everyone who does more than click start has to download and install a thousand more things separately? No thanks! That'd be a huge step back. Besides, even if they removed basically every app coming with windows, you'd only save like 1GB of disk space, which is worth like all of 15 cents nowadays.

QUOTE (heffalump @ Jul 27 2008, 09:59 AM) *
you just end up doing the same old things you did in windows 95 or even windows 3.x anyway

Do you actually remember what you did with those? Yeah, nearly nothing at all in windows 3.x's case, and not a whole lot in win95's case. Nowadays, people do heavy multitasking, editing photos, playing mp3's, and countless more things that nearly nobody did back then.

QUOTE (anonymous_user @ Jul 27 2008, 01:28 PM) *
I say just leave the feature-rich programs to third-party developers. They do a good job of making them.

They do, but it still requires us to chase a couple dozen extra apps to have basic functionality that should be part of the OS, and in a LOT of cases, they also do a good job of charging money for it.

QUOTE (anonymous_user @ Jul 27 2008, 01:28 PM) *
Besides I think Windows has too many programs already ouch.gif

blink.gif It hardly comes with anything. And 99% of what it comes with (e.g. outlook express & IE) is garbage not worth using, and a lot of them apps haven't gained a single useful feature since windows 3.x (e.g. notepad & calc).

Meanwhile, Linux has a desktop that's soooooooooo much nicer to use (thanks to things like compiz fusion, and choice of different desktop environments like gnome/kde/xfce and several others). And most distros ship with WAY more applications by default, like for Ubuntu: a complete office suite (OOo), a bittorrent client, a screenshot app, a password manager, etc. And even things Windows includes by default are truly & universally put to shame: Firefox 3 instead of IE junk, Evolution instead of Outlook Express, GEdit instead of notepad (does syntax highlighting, has plugins, etc), The GIMP (not that I like it but it still doesn't compare) instead of ms paint, Totem & Rhythmbox instead of WMP, Brasero instead of Windows' built-in disc burning, and the list goes on. And to install the extras you might need, there's no need to google for the app, find the website, download setup.exe, wait for it to download, start the app, click "next" 15 times and so on for every app. Just "apt-get install appname" will take care of it, or select them all (using checkboxes) in a package manager, hit apply and walk away. Won't cost you a dime either. And to make things worse, it's also better at a lot of server stuff (and no need to buy the fancy server ed to do that stuff, and no CALs either), and it's free. Plus a LOT of nice things, like ALL your apps being fully updated in like 2 clicks (whereas Microsoft Update will only update MS apps).

In short: a FAR better desktop, more choice, more apps, better apps, less limitations & all. Windows is VERY quickly falling behind in a lot of areas. It's already so much better in many ways (don't ever try Compiz Fusion, you'll *cry* when you go back to Windows). Yes, Windows sucks at a lot of things. The only thing that keeps a lot of people on Windows at this point is Windows-only apps & games (if they started releasing apps like Photoshop and games for Linux, Windows would die a quick death). That's why I'm suggesting to make Windows' built-in apps not suck, and including by default apps to do basic tasks i.e. narrowing the gap/making Windows nice to use too (comparatively speaking)

Removing apps & stuff will just make Windows more crippled and useless. Besides, I'd love to see the marketing for that! "Windows v7 now with LESS features!" or "Windows v7: does even less stuff!" That'll sell great I'm sure newwink.gif They need to work on making it a good desktop environment, not making it suck more.

Edit: here's a quick overview of some of the stuff in compiz fusion (the version used for the video was already out of date when it was made a year ago, it's even better now) or this one (tons of them if you search). For those who don't know what they're missing.
Shane:]
1. ability to take out visual effects (ie same way i speed up win xp)
2.WiMax
3.doesn't treat me like a complete id***
4.no pointless name changing
5.flash drive bootable
6.reasonable price
7.download size under vista size. man vista download is a monster! that why i didn't get it.
crahak
QUOTE (Shane:] @ Jul 28 2008, 08:03 PM) *

1. ability to take out visual effects (ie same way i speed up win xp)

You can already take out most of the effects stuff with Vista using the windows classic theme.

QUOTE (Shane:] @ Jul 28 2008, 08:03 PM) *

2.WiMax

Vista (& older versions) can already use WiMax, the hardware comes with the drivers for it.

QUOTE (Shane:] @ Jul 28 2008, 08:03 PM) *

5.flash drive bootable

It's not Vista's fault if your computer won't boot from USB (maybe you meant getting WinPE to boot from USB, but that's also possible).
Nexus_06
1) Complete classic theme, including file menus and navigation buttons. Don't fix what isn't broken, I hate the IE style navigation in Vista. (Where's my folder up button!)
2) Localization of Programs Registry and Files (much like osx), I hate programs that modify system files on installation, ESPECIALLY VB programs changing ocx's and dll's. All this should be in the Programs local folder, and never touch the system directories or registry.
3) Administrator account with COMPLETE control over everything.
4) Proper information shoved at hardware manufacturers and developers so that things work the FIRST TIME at launch.
Maxfutur
Almost everything said.

As many have said:
No WGA because piracy/pirates don't worry about it because before they install any ms stuff, they make sure isn't a problem for them.

If they install (as others said) at the corner's store, they can make sure to disable automatic updates yet update services.

Is like a P** in t** **s to download and verify wga almost every month or whenever you need something wich ask for validation.

W7 to work without pagefile or without RAM 1 of the 2.

The install option as win98 (already said).

Menu style (this already said, shift between classic, xp and vista)

automatic GAME MODE (outperformed), i mean, almost in kernel mode, saving anithyng else as hibernation or paused (as in virtual machines) because whyle you play you dont need antivirus, if you play crysis, a monster is not going to infect your system, don't need MDM (microsoft debug machine or likely), etc.

anybody agree with "my game mode"?

xlfdll
Yeah, "my game mode" can make the system fit to games, no worry about the optimiztion.
All waste services are down and necessary things is running in background.
(priority all low)

Also, the installation of Windows could select the components, not a lot of things hard to understand.

WGA, only add this to the version could sell to the region which illegal is serious.

However,
Why Microsoft don't add a Download Manager to Internet Explorer, which download slower and slower... unsure.gif

PS To Nexus_06 at #47:
QUOTE
3) Administrator account with COMPLETE control over everything.

How about "Super Administrator"???
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cluberti
What does the local admin account *not* have access to? That's my question.
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