i can guess whos will come out on top here. dont put down just for whats fastest etc but take into acount value for money, inovation, warranty... etc etc.

Without a doubt AMD is the better CPU. A buddy of mine works at Intel in Chandler,Arizona and he told me they have AMD awareness meetings regularly. They must really be concerned with AMD. They should!

And theres no Bias there on your part. honest. no really....

actually i voted AMD too

I used to love AMD, but just recently changed my mind after watching this video:

http://www12.tomshardware.com/images/THG_C...CPU_Cooling.zip

Err hmm errr INTEL.

Toms hardware = propaganda by "the man" lol

toms hardware is very biased IMO. always leans towards intel and nvidia, no matter what. if AMD bring a chip out that trounces Intel he gives it a fair review then at the end it will say something like "but i would wait a month as then the intel X comes out and it will jump all over this AMD offering"

why never "welll this intel chip is good, but i would wait till next month and AMD will bring their new monster out to teach intel a lesson"

its biased, bought off, or something decidedly fishy.

AMD, as always, this is my first amd chip, and I'm very pleased with it. I'm sure my next chip will also be a AMD, as for performance and price....

ive only ever had Intel chips and theyve never failed me yet

Shhhhhh! They're not supposed to know..... Gotta support the hand that feeds me.

I love AMD but ended up by buying a P4 NW

This is what I notice:

People that build their own machines seem to go with AMD, the only people I seem to know with Intel bought them a ready made config. Again, just my observation and opinion, lol!

i've used both but i have to say that i like ,my amd's that i have, although i use intels and i have to say they work good but they are just way to expensive amd is much better for the price. although i have had bad luck with the older amd chips but the new ones are good.

i built my own.. i chose Intel because i got for quality rather than generic brands like amd

i've always run with intel but i think the next box i build is gonna be AMD...

my amd's have a quality board's

ECS K7AMA

AMD is generic? heh

how likely is it that a heatsink would fall off? and only an id*** would take the heatsink off while the pc is still on.
i think amd are putting a form of cpu throttling in there next generation CPU aswell but im not 100% sure.
btw the cpu diode failed to tell the motherboard its time to shutdown because they dont take readings often enough it may have shut off and survived if the option in the mobo was set to switch off at a certain temprature. but i wouldnt expect it to work every time and i definetly wouldnt expect toms hardware to have done that they enjoy there PR work for intel to much.

and what if the fan dies? you'll see smoke coming out of your PC before you realise and it would be too late to turn it off.

Amd and intel are fairly comparable nowadays....
i have gone with intel since day one, and i have been happy with everyone....
i admit amd has definatly got somthing going for them, but i dont think they have total compatibility with all hardware and software on the market, nor do i like the incresed tempature of the amd flavor...

=Drew

i have changed the fan on my heatsink while my pc has been on the temp only rised about 5c.
if the fan dies the temprature would rise alot slower than if u pulled the heatsink off. it wouldnt go straight to a temp that could melt the cpu so if u have your motherboards bios set right u should get warning beeps around 50c that your cpu has gone above the limit u set then around 60c your motherboard should do its job and shutdown.
check your bios settings then try it

i think the bartons run cooler.

Hmm ... build mine myself and wanked a P4 into it ... **** I regret it now But hei, it was 'cheapest' at the time (or something)!

Hmm... i smell flaming.
Amd temps are higher, but they can handle more temps.
The Tred Bs can handle 90 degrees while northwoods can handle 60 i think...

So really, amds give u free heating...

Northwood goes up to about 70*C, then it goes to 100 or so Mhz untill it cools down.

Intel as they are the Original! maybe pricey but hey Intel have been out for years!!

Like in traineer makes

Nike are a hell of a lot dearer than erm lets say nicks because of there name!!

Same quality different brands!

There is a reason for builders to build with AMD.MOST people that build are not Tom's Hardware and don't have the large cash too buy rediculously priced Intel cpu's and Intel mobos. You have to wait a long time before the Intel price comes down before it is feasible to buy. As a builder you can put together a higher quality and fast system using AMD including the motherboard than a comparable Intel.You can buy a store bought Intel with a less quality mobo and think your getting a deal,same with AMD there. On our front page news recently there was an article stating that AMD had won an award for the best processor because they were addressing both 32 and 64 bit applications with their newest cpu.AMD is in my opinion the cpu for the masses with performance and reliability on the top shelf with Intel.Whew,I'm glad I got my biased opinion out!

I like both. I rather Intel due to the fact I feel there easier to overclock and lower on heat but Ive used AMD and for the price and speed they perfome great.

I got 2 jobs for 2 people to build them a PC for under $550. I just got done today with the first one and for a complete system w/ XP 1700 I stayed below 400 that includes the monitor.

They say that AMD's new chip is only 2 GHz, but gives the same performance as the Pentium 4 @ 3 GHz and they're both the same price...I would go with Intel...

Tom's hardware? He always favorise Intel. As far i know and thats
5-6 years. Wonder how much money he got from Intel.

they are both good but just in diffrent sections

AMD: Cheap, quick
Intel: Expensive, Reliable

up to the individual to choose

Toms hardware is about the same as Dell. Intel has both of them in their pocket if you ask me. I think both companies sell a great product and its all a matter of what you want. Its kinda like buying a car, you prefer one brand over another. I've used both Intel and AMD and I was happy with each of them. I just happen to work for AMD, so buying an Intel product would be taking away form my profit sharing $$$ if you know what I mean.... Bottom line is you can't go wrong with either one.......

wtf? Amd's are reliable and stable also.

my amd is reliable :S been running pc 24/7 almost for a year with no probs the only thing people used to hate about amd cpu's is that they used to have crappy cores that could be crushed easily if u didnt know what you was doing when fitting a heatsink.

I didn;t crush the core the first time i palyed around with it... Didn't know what i was doing either...

didn't say they weren't.. just saying inter processors are much more reliable.. doesn't mean they aren't reliable also..

And where how did you come to that conclusion about Intel? In other words wheres the proof......

Two words!!! INTEL SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

proove it? thats a myth they are in no way more reliable
no one is likely to need to buy another cpu because it dies of natural causes i expect everyone will upgrade long before there cpu would be anywhere near dieing they arent light bulbs.

Both Intel and AMD are reliable in the same matter. Over several several years I have only heard or experianced CPU going bad when it was the user fault..(ex. bending pins, smashing core due to heatsink)

I can only say Intel is way way cooler and OC easier and higher. That can be proven.

i can't even OC mine.. have no idea how to.. almosted stuff my computer when i tried it via the bios.. thank god for cmos clear

Wtf. don't turn this into a flammer where everyone says
intel sux, amd sux, you mom swallows, ect.

i agree.. both have there qualitys but neither suck

Yeah, I've owned processors from both manufacturers and I have to say I was pleased with the performance and reliability of both. I pretty much buy AMD products now because I happen to work for them (15 years and counting! ). It would be like taking money out of my pocket if I were to buy Intel products. So basically I'm saying that no matter which one you get you won't regret it........

I use both, cant really pick any major advantages with either
never had any problems or failures with either cpu, although my P4 runs slightly cooler then the AMB but that makes no difference