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Maleko
made a slight change to my side panel:

BEFORE:


NOW:

Dagonet'
Been a while since I posted a shot of one of my machines....This is my Main PC..Up until 2 weekes agao it was an E8400...I went back to the Q6600....

Mainboard : Asus P5N-D
Chipset : nVidia nForce 650i SLI SPP
Processor : Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2400 MHz - Current 2.64 MHz
Physical Memory : 4096 MB (2 x 2048 DDR2-SDRAM )
Video Card : Nvidia Corp NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT
Hard Disk : WDC (250 GB)
DVD-Rom Drive : HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH20NS10 SCSI CdRom Device
DVD-Rom Drive : TSSTcorp CDDVDW TS-H653N SCSI CdRom Device
Monitor Type : Dell Computer DELL E248WFP - 24 inches
Operating System : Windows Vista ™ Home Premium Home Edition 6.00.6001 Service Pack 1
DirectX : Version 10.00
Key/Mouse: Logitech 1500 Cordless Set

Also have a licenced XP Home for this machine as well....


This is our second bedroom...LOL.. (My wife says she wan't seeing enough of me..And I was getting to bed too late..Compromise...?? Get Another Bed) newwink.gif

The surroundings...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/Stet...pg?t=1210521504

Antec Sonata 3-500 Case...(Exremely Quite Case..)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/Stet...pg?t=1210521697

The Internal Organs,, smile.gif
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/Stet...pg?t=1210521765

And I have it all hooked into the Pioneer Plasma in the family room as well.....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/Stet...pg?t=1210522299

The machine runs at a 10% OC..All the time, Unless I'm messin round..Then I crank it up.. smile.gif
xenon2050
QUOTE (Dagonet' @ May 11 2008, 11:09 AM) *
Antec Sonata 3-500 Case...(Exremely Quite Case..)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v24/Stet...pg?t=1210521697


I got the same fan on my cpu... Sorry no pictures but heres what I got...
Intel e8400 Wolfdale 6MB cache running at 3.0Ghz (thinking about OCing it)
Evga 780i SLI Mobo
CORSAIR XMS2 DHX 4GB (2 x 2GB)
MSI 8800GTS (G92) 512M Factory OCed
SILVERSTONE OP850 850W (wanted the ability to do SLI in the future)
Thermaltake Tsunami Black Aluminum with two 120mm fans and a 90mm side fan
Pioneer DVDRW DVR-112D
Samgsun DVDRW
3 250GB WD Caviars (no raid... One for installations like games, apps, windows, etc.. plus most of my documents, another for pictures - my wife is a photographer - and another for music and larger install files like downloads from Direct2Drive and such...)

I think that about sums it up... Oh and a 3Com wireless card, I would prefer wired but it doesn't work in my apartment...

bonestonne
went to my favorite world superstore yesterday (the dump) and picked up a few goodies actually. I'm sure if cops were there I would have been yelled at (I was pretty far back in that dumpster..yes, in) and i managed to pull out a few awesome things, but i'll only give pics of two. I haven't set them up together yet, but it'll happen very soon.

Back in like, January (just after new years) my dad brought me home an HP f1703 (17" LCD). well...i saw one buried under like 5 CRTs, so i hopped in, yanked it out, and now i have two on my desk (FTW!)

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/bon...er/IMG_2485.jpg
^had to rearrange the desk to fit it...and my dad thought i would have given it to my sister...but meh. mine!

second, this is a real prize....JVC XV-N650. i couldn't find the remote for it, but i've got no problem getting up and touching it when i want to use it (although for the seamless menu system you bet i'll be buying a remote off ebay or something).

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g142/bon...ne/IMG_2487.jpg
^there it is...its got a couple scratches, and a small dent on the top of the casing, but it works great. gave it a new power cable, flawless playback. while i had it open, i realized that the DTS processor gets incredibly hot very fast, so i found a small stick on NB heatsink and stuck that onto it, sealed it up, and called it a day.

there was also a ~30ft cat5 cable and a dell inspirion 600M...the dell just needs a new power supply, and the cat5 cable will replace a broken one here.

yay for dumpster diving!
Duckshot










Q6700 @ 3.6 (Max 4.0 Vista - 4.1 XP)
2 x 8800 GTX - 650/1500/2080
2GB OCZ Reaper @ 1152
1 TB Spinpoint F1
Dual Cooling Loops
2 x Tripple Radiators

Video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0m8o4-1Mokg
puntoMX
Nice setup, first time I see the full tower plexi case from AC-Rayn. What brand is that drive-bay with the 4 temperature sensors?
Duckshot
QUOTE (puntoMX @ Jun 27 2008, 11:36 PM) *
Nice setup, first time I see the full tower plexi case from AC-Rayn. What brand is that drive-bay with the 4 temperature sensors?


Thanks!

First time someone recognised the case, most people ask what it is. The drive bay with the temp sensors is a fan control from scythe, I dont have the temp sensors hooked up, but I might get some inline temp sensors for the cooling loops.
puntoMX
Okay, found it! The silver one looks real need.


Click for info.
Duckshot
QUOTE (puntoMX @ Jun 28 2008, 12:07 AM) *
Okay, found it! The silver one looks real need.

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I really like these, they when the system is switched off, you cannot see the LCD. So it look like a plain black or silver fan control.
bonestonne
my bad, didn't notice it was BTX.

do you have better pics? its somewhat unclear, but i'd like to see it.

just two questions:
1) SLI? obviously?
2) why only 2gb of RAM? i'd add more...3 at least for a system like that.

otherwise it looks nice, what do you clean the case with, seeing as it's acrylic.
jgray1978
Motherboard: Asus P5N-T Deluxe
CPU: Intel Quad Core Q6600 clocked at 3.6GHZ
CPU Cooler: ThermalTake V1
RAM: 8GB Super Talent
Hard drives: 2 150GB Western Digital 10,000RPM Raptors for OS. 400GB, 80GB, and removable 320GB for data storage
HDD Coolers: Both Raptor hard drives are in 5 1/4" coolers each having dual fans
Optical drives: Liteon 20X DVDRW, Aopen 52X CDRW, 16X DVD-ROM
Graphics cards: NVidia Geforce 8600GTS with 512MB RAM, NVidia Geforce 8600GT with 256MB RAM
Power supply: Antec Quatro 1KW (1,000 watts)
Monitors: 4 20" Acer LCD monitors
Zip: USB Iomega zip250
Floppy drive: 3 1/2" Sony FDD
Media reader: 7 in 1 media card reader in 3 1/2" bay
case: Chieftec DA-01WD-FPD full tower with plexi window
Case Cooling: 92MM fan above power supply, 2 80MM fans next to I/O panel helping exhaust verticle CPU cooler, 1 of the HDD cages removed and case modified with thick 104CFM antec 120MM fan
Speakers: Altec Lansing stereo speakers with sub, Cyber Acoustics stereo speakers with sub


http://www.tulsatech.net/machine/

Excuse the wifes dolls in the pics.
Duckshot
QUOTE (bonestonne @ Jun 29 2008, 03:17 AM) *
my bad, didn't notice it was BTX.

do you have better pics? its somewhat unclear, but i'd like to see it.

just two questions:
1) SLI? obviously?
2) why only 2gb of RAM? i'd add more...3 at least for a system like that.

otherwise it looks nice, what do you clean the case with, seeing as it's acrylic.


1)Sli == Yep
2)Few more things to add before it's finished, 2 more GB O' Ram, and the 27" Monitor.
3) Novus one is good for cleaning the case, also anti-static. Normally just go over with a cotton cloth to clean the dust.

CPU is now running at 3.8 @ 1.5 24/7


some clearer pics













bonestonne
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nice nice.

cute guinea pig, we have a fatty out here named spud....he eats. and chews on everything. and eats a little more.

most Acrylic cases i see aren't nearly as neat, but then again, they're not watercooled with a modular PSU. i take it, that the case is somewhat of a noise box? either way it looks great.
Duckshot
QUOTE (bonestonne @ Jul 1 2008, 07:05 PM) *
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nice nice.

cute guinea pig, we have a fatty out here named spud....he eats. and chews on everything. and eats a little more.

most Acrylic cases i see aren't nearly as neat, but then again, they're not watercooled with a modular PSU. i take it, that the case is somewhat of a noise box? either way it looks great.


The PSU generates the most noise, before I dampened the pumps in the front they were bad, but now I can't hear them over the PSU. Compared to my last machine (Antec P180 Passive CPU + Chipset cooling only 2 180 fans on low) it's very noisey. It's noy annoyingly loud, but I've been thinking of a quieter PSU in the future.

Oh yeah... Guinea Pigs FTW!
puntoMX
QUOTE (Duckshot @ Jun 30 2008, 05:07 PM) *
Watch out that your big hamster doesn´t get sucked in by the fans (I have two of those pigs laugh.gif).
Duckshot
QUOTE (puntoMX @ Jul 1 2008, 09:30 PM) *
QUOTE (Duckshot @ Jun 30 2008, 05:07 PM) *
Watch out that your big hamster doesn´t get sucked in by the fans (I have two of those pigs laugh.gif).


lol, I've got two of them as well the one in the picture is called Eddy. He enjoys gaming, and modding his PC (Pig Computer).
Thunderbolt 2864
Am I allowed to post YouTube videos that I uploaded myself? Sorry I don't have any pics at the moment.
geek
QUOTE (Thunderbolt 2864 @ Aug 24 2008, 02:42 AM) *
Am I allowed to post YouTube videos that I uploaded myself? Sorry I don't have any pics at the moment.

I dont see why not. if they conform to youtubes rules they should be just fine here.
Thunderbolt 2864
^^ Alright, thanks for that.

Well, here is my newest video for my Intel machine I recently built:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=KOkkuHtw5JM

Specs:

Intel Core 2 Duo E8500/ 3.16GHz/ 6MB Cache
4GB 800Mhz DDR2 RAM
1x SATA Western Digital 500 GB, 1x Seagate 200 GB hard drive
4870x2 2GB Sapphire ATI Radeon video card thumbup.gif woot.gif
22" Acer monitor at 1680x1050
Antec TruePower Quattro 1000W ATX Power Supply
1x 20 LG DVD Burner
1x LG SATA BluRay & HDDVD Combo Drive
Running Windows XP Professional SP2 and Server 2003 SP2
Gigabyte GA-EP45-DQ6 motherboard
Thermaltake M9D Case

And my other AMD machine:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=-BwYMNKNyV4

Specs:

AMD Athlon 6000+ X2 at 3.00 Ghz dual core
4GB 667Mhz DDR2 RAM
Gigabyte GA-M750SLI-DS4 NForce 750a SLI motherboard
Gigabyte 8800 GTS GeForce 640 MB video card
20x SATA LG DVD Writer
80 GB Western Digital SATA hard drive
460 watt power supply
Windows XP Professional x64 SP2
Coolermaster Case 330 Elite
puntoMX
Nice rig, just do some cable management, kick out the beige floppy drive and ask some one else to close the case while you hold your camera newwink.gif.

Just go to the hardware shop and buy yourself a pack of tie-wraps; cheap and useful.

I like the you-tube presentations.
Thunderbolt 2864
Thanks, and yes, I agree, the cables look way to messy and all over the place. I wish Antec didn't make the cables so thick, one thing I'm not happy about. But overall, I'm quite satisfied with my setup.
Zxian
My file server has gone through it's share of upgrades and revisions over the years. It started out as a lowly Athlon XP 2000+ system with two WD5000AAKS drives and has grown into the behemoth that it is now.

Last summer, I wanted to make myself a reliable storage server (which could also serve other purposes later) that had room to expand as I needed it to. The parts list as it stands now:

Case: Coolermaster CMStacker 810
PSU: Corsair HX620
Motherboard: ASUS P5K Premium Wifi
CPU: Intel E2160 (soon to be upgraded)
RAM: 4x2GB OCZ Gold DDR2-800 5-5-5-18
Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-212D
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce 7200GS
RAID Card: 3ware 9650SE-8LPML
System drives: 2x WD5000AACS
Storage drives 8x WD10EACS
Fans: 3x Scythe Slipstream 800RPM
Heatsink: ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme

I had originally setup the hard drives in CoolerMaster's 4-in-3 modules, and everything was bolted together. It was fairly quiet, but there was a distinct hum coming from the computer (more noticable from some directions than others).

A local fabric/sewing store had rolls of 25m of corded elastic on sale for $3, so I jumped on that and got myself two. The stacker case makes suspending hard drives dead simple, since there are convenient holes in the case meant for screwing 5.25" drives in place.

And as is always necessary, the pictures. smile.gif


The insides of the computer - not the cleanest build, but it works. I guess I could spend a little more time taping cables to the back panel if I wanted to... but I'm a little lazy.


The ugly side of things...


A closeup of the suspension.


The glory!!!



The difference in noise is like night and day. 8)

I've closed off the top vent of the case as well to prevent the airflow short-circuit that would otherwise happen. The drives themselves run at about 33-35C at idle, 35-38C when working. Not too shabby if you ask me... smile.gif


I know mark is gonna love this one... tongue.gif
mark
QUOTE (Zxian @ Aug 25 2008, 01:17 PM) *
I know mark is gonna love this one... tongue.gif



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I know that in an earlier post that you had mentioned you were going to use elastic 'like you have in your underwear' (or something so stated). What do you do to your underwear that requires you to have elastic like that? Never mind. I don't want to know.

tongue.gif



smile.gif Mark


P.S. That is pretty cool by the way. How you suspended your HDD's that is. It looks cool too with the front view. It would be nice to have a smoke colored plexi cover for it but that would spoil the airflow.

I doubt you will ever know but it would be interesting to know if what you have done effects the longevity of your HDD's by having the elastic absorb vibrations coming in from the case or any other benefits or detriments. Not having housing to case contact doesn't seem to have harmed the heat dissipation much if at all.
Zxian
QUOTE (mark @ Aug 25 2008, 01:33 PM) *
I doubt you will ever know but it would be interesting to know if what you have done effects the longevity of your HDD's by having the elastic absorb vibrations coming in from the case or any other benefits or detriments. Not having housing to case contact doesn't seem to have harmed the heat dissipation much if at all.


If anything, I'd imagine that it would increase the longetivity of the drives, and reduce the overall IO error rate caused by vibrations from neighbouring drives. I know of several manufacturers that have implemented features to counteract errors caused by external sources of vibrations, but nothing really beats isolating one from the other.

Heat dissipation really isn't a concern with these drives. At idle, they draw less than 4W a piece, and that only goes up to 8W when they're working... compared to 8-11W of other drives on the market (*cough*Seagate*cough*).


The creepiest part of it all is that when I get home, I've always been used to that hum that the system used to produce. I've caught myself checking the lights to see if the system is actually on!
Nerwin
QUOTE (Zxian @ Aug 25 2008, 01:17 PM) *
My file server has gone through it's share of upgrades and revisions over the years. It started out as a lowly Athlon XP 2000+ system with two WD5000AAKS drives and has grown into the behemoth that it is now.

Last summer, I wanted to make myself a reliable storage server (which could also serve other purposes later) that had room to expand as I needed it to. The parts list as it stands now:

Case: Coolermaster CMStacker 810
PSU: Corsair HX620
Motherboard: ASUS P5K Premium Wifi
CPU: Intel E2160 (soon to be upgraded)
RAM: 4x2GB OCZ Gold DDR2-800 5-5-5-18
Optical Drive: Pioneer DVR-212D
Graphics Card: EVGA GeForce 7200GS
RAID Card: 3ware 9650SE-8LPML
System drives: 2x WD5000AACS
Storage drives 8x WD10EACS
Fans: 3x Scythe Slipstream 800RPM
Heatsink: ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme

I had originally setup the hard drives in CoolerMaster's 4-in-3 modules, and everything was bolted together. It was fairly quiet, but there was a distinct hum coming from the computer (more noticable from some directions than others).

A local fabric/sewing store had rolls of 25m of corded elastic on sale for $3, so I jumped on that and got myself two. The stacker case makes suspending hard drives dead simple, since there are convenient holes in the case meant for screwing 5.25" drives in place.

And as is always necessary, the pictures. smile.gif


The insides of the computer - not the cleanest build, but it works. I guess I could spend a little more time taping cables to the back panel if I wanted to... but I'm a little lazy.


The ugly side of things...


A closeup of the suspension.


The glory!!!



The difference in noise is like night and day. 8)

I've closed off the top vent of the case as well to prevent the airflow short-circuit that would otherwise happen. The drives themselves run at about 33-35C at idle, 35-38C when working. Not too shabby if you ask me... smile.gif


I know mark is gonna love this one... tongue.gif


*Zxian*, Amazing machine! (lol, Feels like I am talking to my self, since my name is same as yours in real life)

How do you like that case? I am thinking to use it for my new server build, what do you think?

Talk to you later *Zxian*.
crahak
QUOTE (computerMan @ Sep 7 2008, 08:08 PM) *
How do you like that case? I am thinking to use it for my new server build, what do you think?

I love it myself. But it's getting hard to find one in Canada. ncix doesn't carry it anymore seemingly. I might have to go with something else next time sad.gif
Nerwin
Hey found one! http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/Sea...p;Sku=C283-1186

Yeah that have it here in America tongue.gif

But It looks like a really good case for lots of hard drives and enough space to keep them cool! and enough fans to make it loud! smile.gif
crahak
I hadn't looked there. But it's VERY expensive for that case. I paid about that much for one about a year ago, including the two extra 4-in-3 drive bays, taxes, and shipping too. It's $140 at newegg. I can't say I'm a big fan of TigerDirect either. NCIX has plenty of great cases within $280 too.

QUOTE (computerMan @ Sep 7 2008, 09:25 PM) *
enough fans to make it loud! smile.gif

The fans on it are very quiet actually. I can't hear them at all. Big 120mm fans don't need to spin like crazy to have good airflow, so they're usually pretty quiet.
Nerwin
All very true tongue.gif
Zxian
My server is now considerably quieter than my workstation. I'm only using three fans in that case - all of them are 800RPM Scythe Slipstream fans. Two for the exhaust, and one on the ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme. The build of the case is top notch, and I really can't fault anything about it. It's designed to have a ridiculous amount of room for equipment, and it does that beautifully.

$280 is FAR overpriced for that. Just make sure that when you buy it, you get the Stacker 810, and not the STC-T01 model. The latter has space for two PSUs (completely rediculous) and removes one of the 120mm fans.
Nerwin
Yeah I am looking for a better price for that case. But I do like that case, it will work good for a File server. (once I get my job that is!) But I hope to have a few terabytes in it to last me a while.

Anyways, Yeah But I like it loud!!!! it helps me to sleep at night smile.gif How about some 120mm 3200RPM fans XD Then that cooler master would FLY! hehe.
Tripredacus
I can't post pictures, but I suppose I can post my specs. I've had this PC since early 2002, haven't had to reinstall Windows, and have had minimal hardware failure.

Chassis: Antec PS Performance SX1040 Black
Motherboard: Intel D850MV
CPU: Intel Pentium 4 1.7GHz
RAM: 2x 256MB Samsung PC800 RDRAM + 2 blanks
Audio: onboard disabled, Creative SoundBlaster Audigy Gamer PCI
Video: nVidia GeForce 3 Ti200 64MB AGP 2x
keyboard: Apple USB Pro Keyboard (G4 style)
mouse: Microsoft Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 USB Optical
HDD1: Maxtor 20GB ATA-133 7200RPM
HDD2: Maxtor 160GB ATA-133 7200RPM
Optical1: Compaq 48x CD-ROM Black
speakers: Creative Inspire 5200 5.1
OS: Windows XP Pro RTM (with hacked compatibility)

I think the total price came to just under $3,000 at the time. Everything was brand new, although some stuff I did get at cost through a contact at Ingram Micro. The MB was the newest by Intel at the time and the CPU was the fastest available. I built it to be totally top of the line. However, through the years it became not so top of the line, and I eventually hit limits on both hardware and my wallet. I did not list the monitor because I didn't remember which ones I've had. Here is a timeline of changes:

- Partitioned the second drive into two partitions. Installed Server .net 2003 Enterprise on it. It lasted a year because I never activated it and I had since removed it.
- added Sony 24x CD-RW EIDE drive. It failed after 2 days.
- monitor failed during a move, replaced with eMachines 17" flat CRT.
- added Lite-On DVD-RW/CD-RW dual layer +/-
- Mouse failed, replaced with same model from ebay
- Mouse failed, replaced with standard Microsoft Optical Mouse
- upgraded video card with Sapphire Radeon 8600XP AGP 4x 256MB to play Oblivion.
- upgraded CPU with Pentium 4 2.0GHz
- successfully ran Crysis Demo (cons: long load time, gameplay was smooth)
- researched prices on upgrading RAM ($900 to get 2GB)
- Lite-On DVD Drive failed (no replacement)

So that's where I'm at. Since paying that much for more RAM is out of the question, I've already started looking at making a new PC. I figure using a PC for 6-7 years without a format or a reinstall is pretty good, so I am going to rebuild using similar brand products.

I must say, though, I did buy a replacement DVD-RW drive, but I never installed it. It's sitting on my new chassis I bought for my next PC, still sealed in its static bag.

I also have a Windows 98 computer also, but it has a bad motherboard (or PSU) in it. I bought another used computer to get the parts out of it to fix it, so it might need to be reinstalled. I had used it to be a Dedicated server for Quake 3 and Shoutcast a few years ago, but has been closet fodder for quite awhile. Here are its specs as I can remember them:

Chassis: Some garbage beige mid-tower
Motherboard: I think it has a Gigabyte in there... It's on its 3rd motherboard
CPU: Intel Pentium III 1.0GHZ (on flip-chip) Slot1, with 533BMHz Slot1 for backup.
RAM: 768MB RAM
Audio: I'm having difficulty remembering, but I think a Guillemont 128 voice PCI, or it could be SBLive! 128...
Video: 3dfx Voodoo 5500 AGP 64MB <-- the reason why I won't let this system die!
keyboard: A PS2 keyboard that says "Propeller Pilot" on it.
mouse: some $10 USB mouse with a ball in it (remember them?)
HDD1: Maxtor 20GB ATA-100 7200RPM
HDD2: There actually was another 20GB drive, but I took it out and put it in my XP machine.
Optical1: It has 3 CD drives, two are broken and not even hooked up. It has an 8x Iomega CD-RW (Terminator model) that does kinda word.
speakers: 1200w 4 speaker + subwoofer system that is currently hooked up to my TV
OS: Windows 98A (with hacked compatibility)

Welp, gotta run back into my time machine! See you guys next week!

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cluberti
I don't game, which will explain the video card choice. However, I do write/compile a decent amount of code, play some videos, etc. with my main non-work PC at home, so I finally built a new rig to replace this old AMD Athlon 3700 from 2004:

CoolerMaster Cosmos 1000 Case
Enermax MODU82+ 625W PSU
Asus P5Q Deluxe motherboard
Intel Q9550 CPU
G.Skill 4GBx2 DDR2 800 (6-6-6-18)
HIS Radeon 3650 512MB GDDR3
WD 3200AAKSx2 320GB HDD (RAID1)

GarrettW
QUOTE (cluberti @ Sep 27 2008, 08:52 PM) *
I don't game, which will explain the video card choice.

heh, you could do a lot worse.
lawrencep93
My desktop to be replaced soon or I might get an 18inch laptop.

CPU Pentium D 3.0GHz duel core
Ram 2 X 512 MB 800Mhz ram
HDD 1 x 80GB 1 x 320GB
intergraded graphics and sound but I was going to buy a graphic card but I am buying a new computer and I will give my old computer to my mate to use as file server. The case has 6 HDD slots.
Thunderbolt 2864
I recently got a 32" LCD and here is a video on YouTube:

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=nZSfTJyfxv4

Specs in my signature.
Nerwin
I had to show this to you guys: http://www.msfn.org/board/hood-t46.html

Just look at how much technology improved since 2001. it is really sad.

I think some of you will get a kick out of that tongue.gif
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