piXelatedEmpire
Dec 14 2006, 05:41 AM
I'm having these really strange issues with random pixelation throughtout my nLitend XP install - especially when I open and close explorer windows etc they leave these little pixelated marks...
Any ideas what could be causing this?

looks like it may be related to my integrated drivers..
Ponch
Dec 14 2006, 05:56 AM
VGA drivers ???? or user name ?
gkar
Dec 14 2006, 08:20 AM
Looks like an overclocked, overheating (check fan) or failing video card.
nuhi
Dec 14 2006, 06:24 PM
I can only confirm what gkar said, it's 99% that.
Maybe wrongly detecting the proper clock or you did it yourself...just uninstall it, reboot and install new one.
piXelatedEmpire
Dec 14 2006, 10:03 PM
QUOTE (nuhi @ Dec 15 2006, 11:24 AM)

I can only confirm what gkar said, it's 99% that.
Maybe wrongly detecting the proper clock or you did it yourself...just uninstall it, reboot and install new one.
wow this is concerning... I don't overclock anything.. and the GPU is only 2 months old (Gigabyte 7600GT)
@nuhi... do you mean uninstall the graphics drivers (nVidia) and reinstall those?
EDIT: I uninstalled the drivers, rebooted and reinstalled... this seemed to correct the problem for the time being. If the vid card is faulty, I assume simply reinstalling drivers wouldn't correct this problem?
How to I test to see if my GPU is overheating or faulty? Note it's a fanless GPU, silentpipe cooling.
jmbattle
Dec 15 2006, 03:01 AM
Fanless video card? Hmmm... I think you have just answered your own question...
By the way, what kind of system/case are you using this graphics card in?
Cheers,
James
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nuhi
Dec 15 2006, 08:01 AM
piXelatedEmpire, since driver reinstallation solved it it was faulty detected clock. Use only official drivers and always uninstall old ones before installing new ones. I too have fanless card...now yours also may not getting enough air around it, see about extra case fan or something.
Keyser Soze
Dec 15 2006, 08:14 AM
QUOTE (jmbattle @ Dec 15 2006, 03:01 AM)

Fanless video card? Hmmm... I think you have just answered your own question...
<snip>
Cheers,
James
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Ahh not necesarily so. You don't need a Rolls Royce set of fans on all video cards y'know.
jmbattle
Dec 17 2006, 06:45 AM
Yes, I know - I used to own (indeed, it is still sitting in a box in England...) a small Soldam system which utilised two quiet SilenX fans - one for the PSU and one for the heatpipe, which cooled everything everything else. The graphics card was fanless also, employing a heatpipe cooling system.
Cheers,
James
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piXelatedEmpire
Dec 17 2006, 08:18 PM
Thanks for the advice guys, but this card gets plenty of air, I have 2 120mm fans (front and rear) of my case, as well as 90mm fan in the side door... and there isn't much in the way of cable mess thanks to my modular PSU with sleeved cabling.
nuhi, only official drivers were integrated, as downloaded from nvidia's official website.
I shall try a fresh nLitend XP install and see if I suffer similar probs.
jkey
Dec 18 2006, 06:26 AM
This can be driver/chipset conflict.
In BIOS try to disable FastWrites and SideBanding.
To be sure, replace factory thermal compound to Arctic Silver 5.
Hope this helps
gkar
Dec 18 2006, 08:28 PM
You can verify that the drivers are setting the proper clock speed with the nifty utility Rivatuner. If you still are getting the artifacts you can try reducing gpu and memory speeds and see if it goes away. If it does and it is at lesser clock speeds than rated, RMA it, as it may degenerate further. It's also possible that a pixel pipeline or vertex shader, if you have them in your card (like in my Geforce4 6800), may be faulty and you can use Rivatuner to disable them 1-2 at a time to locate the failing area. If any of these are the cause, RMA it.
If everything is okay now, ignore my ramblings!
piXelatedEmpire
Dec 18 2006, 11:21 PM
thanks guys

it seems to be fine at present, I think it is an issue with nLite intergrating the drivers as each time Ive intergrated the latest nVidia drivers I see this issue.. however if I manually install the drivers I do not see this pixelation.
Well, I havn't seen it for a few days now anyway. And i do hope it isn't an intermittent problem!
I shall check out Rivatuner thanks gkar cheers
Speeddymon
Dec 19 2006, 10:44 AM
With nvidia drivers, i pretty much always recommend adding them to either svcpack or (preferably) RunOnceEx, as there are certain entries that are not added to the registry and certain files that are not copied if you slipstream them, or use BTS drivers.
nuhi
Dec 19 2006, 11:10 AM
This is funny, no way integration could do this unless it's something with the section of Windows when that is detected and they mess on their own.
nLite doesn't change the integrated files so go report to Nvidia if you believe that's the truth.
For me nVidia drivers works and worked always without overclocking my last 3-4 cards.
Speeddymon
Dec 19 2006, 03:28 PM
QUOTE (nuhi @ Dec 19 2006, 11:10 AM)

This is funny, no way integration could do this unless it's something with the section of Windows when that is detected and they mess on their own.
nLite doesn't change the integrated files so go report to Nvidia if you believe that's the truth.
For me nVidia drivers works and worked always without overclocking my last 3-4 cards.
Nuhi, get off the defensive plz. I didnt even imply that it was due to nlite. This is due to the way the inf's that nvidia includes are written. That is why they have a setup.exe instead of just telling you to use Device Manager to install the drivers.
As a test, completely delete your nvidia drivers and uninstall the card from device manager in a running copy of windows. Then reboot. THEN use device manager to install the drivers, and reboot again. When it comes back up, you will see that the nvidia extensions to the right click menu on the desktop are not there, and the tray icons are not there either. Now use device manager to delete the card and drivers again and reinstall with setup.exe, and those items will be back.
nuhi
Dec 19 2006, 03:41 PM
Speeddymon, sorry but I was referring to the piXelatedEmpire's post:
"I think it is an issue with nLite intergrating the drivers"
Speeddymon
Dec 19 2006, 03:54 PM
oh sorry i thought you were gettin defensive on me..
Technically it would be from nlite integrating the drivers, but its not nlite's fault, it's nvidia's fault for not putting all of the proper stuff into their inf files.
If you want to have nvidia drivers install silent at runonceex, uninstall drivers on a running windows, download forceware latest version, and extract to a temp folder (C:\NVIDIA). Then open command prompt and navigate to C:\nivida, and do
CODE
setup -r
Go thru Setup and pick DONT reboot. Then close command prompt, open windows explorer, go to C:\Windows and move setup.iss C:\nvidia
Then move C:\nvidia to $OEM$\$1 and make a runonceex.cmd file to run
CODE
C:\nvidia\setup.exe -s -f2"%windir%\nvidiasetup.log"
Make sure the cmd file is proper for runonceex tho. See
http://unattended.msfn.org/unattended.xp/view/web/31/ for more info on runonceex.
piXelatedEmpire
Dec 19 2006, 07:08 PM
QUOTE (nuhi @ Dec 20 2006, 08:41 AM)

Speeddymon, sorry but I was referring to the piXelatedEmpire's post:
"I think it is an issue with nLite intergrating the drivers"
easy big fella

.. I'm not blaming nLite for anything, just very strange that this pixelation only occurs when I integrate the latest officila nVidia drivers with nLite and not when I install them manually.
Thank you Speeddy, I suspected the issue was with the way nVidia constructed their inf files.
nuhi
Dec 19 2006, 07:29 PM
Ok, ok

Could be due to unreadiness of the chipset drivers...try integrating all possible chipset drivers for your model, especially agp filter. Or don't remove it in the first place...if you do, I'm just guessing.
gkar
Dec 19 2006, 07:37 PM
QUOTE (piXelatedEmpire @ Dec 19 2006, 05:08 PM)

QUOTE (nuhi @ Dec 20 2006, 08:41 AM)

Speeddymon, sorry but I was referring to the piXelatedEmpire's post:
"I think it is an issue with nLite intergrating the drivers"
easy big fella

.. I'm not blaming nLite for anything, just very strange that this pixelation only occurs when I integrate the latest officila nVidia drivers with nLite and not when I install them manually.
Thank you Speeddy, I suspected the issue was with the way nVidia constructed their inf files.
I'm using nVidia's 81.85 and they integrate with no problem, no artifacts, proper clock settings etc.... Sometimes newer isn't better, have you tried an earlier version that still supports your card? As mine is an AGP card I also integrate the NVGART driver (AGP driver) prior to the nVidia 81.85 video driver in the add driver list.
Speeddymon
Dec 20 2006, 01:49 AM
QUOTE (gkar @ Dec 19 2006, 07:37 PM)

QUOTE (piXelatedEmpire @ Dec 19 2006, 05:08 PM)

QUOTE (nuhi @ Dec 20 2006, 08:41 AM)

Speeddymon, sorry but I was referring to the piXelatedEmpire's post:
"I think it is an issue with nLite intergrating the drivers"
easy big fella

.. I'm not blaming nLite for anything, just very strange that this pixelation only occurs when I integrate the latest officila nVidia drivers with nLite and not when I install them manually.
Thank you Speeddy, I suspected the issue was with the way nVidia constructed their inf files.
I'm using nVidia's 81.85 and they integrate with no problem, no artifacts, proper clock settings etc.... Sometimes newer isn't better, have you tried an earlier version that still supports your card? As mine is an AGP card I also integrate the NVGART driver (AGP driver) prior to the nVidia 81.85 video driver in the add driver list.
This is also a possibility. Perhaps gkar could integrate 93.71 into a test version of his setup using his method and let us know if he see's the problem as well?
I doubt honestly if the _way_ the file is constructed is what is causing the pixellation, but I do think that a lack of some file or registry entry might possibly cause video corruption, and that this entry or file is only not installed on newer versions possibly. I don't recall myself seeing this in the last version that I didnt use setup.exe for, however that version was in the 70.xx series. Who knows?
gkar
Dec 20 2006, 06:59 PM
QUOTE (Speeddymon @ Dec 19 2006, 11:49 PM)

QUOTE (gkar @ Dec 19 2006, 07:37 PM)

QUOTE (piXelatedEmpire @ Dec 19 2006, 05:08 PM)

QUOTE (nuhi @ Dec 20 2006, 08:41 AM)

Speeddymon, sorry but I was referring to the piXelatedEmpire's post:
"I think it is an issue with nLite intergrating the drivers"
easy big fella

.. I'm not blaming nLite for anything, just very strange that this pixelation only occurs when I integrate the latest officila nVidia drivers with nLite and not when I install them manually.
Thank you Speeddy, I suspected the issue was with the way nVidia constructed their inf files.
I'm using nVidia's 81.85 and they integrate with no problem, no artifacts, proper clock settings etc.... Sometimes newer isn't better, have you tried an earlier version that still supports your card? As mine is an AGP card I also integrate the NVGART driver (AGP driver) prior to the nVidia 81.85 video driver in the add driver list.
This is also a possibility. Perhaps gkar could integrate 93.71 into a test version of his setup using his method and let us know if he see's the problem as well?
I doubt honestly if the _way_ the file is constructed is what is causing the pixellation, but I do think that a lack of some file or registry entry might possibly cause video corruption, and that this entry or file is only not installed on newer versions possibly. I don't recall myself seeing this in the last version that I didnt use setup.exe for, however that version was in the 70.xx series. Who knows?
I'll give it a try...I'm not a VMWare user, so I'll build an nlite cd with the drivers and try it out. 40 MB file will take me 1/2 a day to download on 28.8 dialup though.
gkar
Dec 22 2006, 06:45 AM
nLite (inf) integrated nVidia 93.71 drivers showed no problems on both my systems (Geforce4 6800 and Geforce 4 Ti4200 video cards).
Quake3 screenshot:
Speeddymon
Dec 23 2006, 01:42 AM
empire: were you using 93.71 drivers when this occured, or an older forceware version?
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