Hello,
Can some one tell me how do we slipstream vista sp1.
this will really help as the clean install,will be much better.
coz i have an old pc with 1.6 Ghz p4 and 780 SD ram and vlite helps me a lot,but when i installed full vista and then sp1..pc was slow like hell.
and plz let me know that does really sp1 help in peformance ??
thank u.
bye
***EDIT***
If you don't want to read the whole topic solution is here:
http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?catid=1&id=9536
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naw it doesnt help performance.
all it is, is hotfixes and some other pointless updates.
all it is, is hotfixes and some other pointless updates.
QUOTE (bottled leaf @ Oct 2 2007, 07:55 AM) 
naw it doesnt help performance.
all it is, is hotfixes and some other pointless updates.
all it is, is hotfixes and some other pointless updates.
Have you tried it? SP1 does makes a lot of difference in performance and reliability.
i agree
I'm now on SP1 and I'm just waiting to see if there will be those slowdowns when even small files are moved.
Sometimes in Vista it literally hangs the Explorer if I move few small files to another folder, then I wait and it gets resolved by itself.
I did have those 2 important hotfixes installed but they didn't help.
Anyway I'll keep an eye open on SP1 if it has that solved before I talk highly of it
So far it's ok. vLited to the bone, only issue is that Control Panel - Features breaks.
Sometimes in Vista it literally hangs the Explorer if I move few small files to another folder, then I wait and it gets resolved by itself.
I did have those 2 important hotfixes installed but they didn't help.
Anyway I'll keep an eye open on SP1 if it has that solved before I talk highly of it
So far it's ok. vLited to the bone, only issue is that Control Panel - Features breaks.
QUOTE (XPero @ Oct 4 2007, 10:22 AM)
QUOTE (bottled leaf @ Oct 2 2007, 07:55 AM)
naw it doesnt help performance.
all it is, is hotfixes and some other pointless updates.
all it is, is hotfixes and some other pointless updates.
Have you tried it? SP1 does makes a lot of difference in performance and reliability.
no but for xp sp1 and sp2 was death (unless you used nlite)
QUOTE (nikhil14b @ Oct 2 2007, 12:19 AM)
Hello,
Can some one tell me how do we slipstream vista sp1.
You can't...... Can some one tell me how do we slipstream vista sp1.
Everyone says that SP1 makes Vista faster and more stable . . . . which is really great . . . . but . . . .
1. Vista is so bloated you really need vLite.
2. If you remove the wrong thing with vLite, the SP1 installer crashes, BUT it won't tell you what is wrong -- it just gives you a meaningless error number. So, you have to spend hours and hours experimenting to figure out what the problem is.
3. OK, So I'll wait till SP1 is officially released and slip-stream it into Vista and then use vLite on that. OOOPS, Sorry. Can't do that. Microsoft has changed the SP1 installer and says that you won't be able slip-stream SP1 into Vista.
4. So, in a couple of months, when SP1 is officially released, someone will get a full DVD of Vista with SP1 integrated and upload it to one of the warez groups. Microsoft complains constantly about piracy and then does stupid crap like this that encourages people to go out and get pirated copies of Windows.
QUOTE (Bob_DaBoob @ Oct 9 2007, 03:19 PM)
QUOTE (nikhil14b @ Oct 2 2007, 12:19 AM)
Hello,
Can some one tell me how do we slipstream vista sp1.
You can't...... Can some one tell me how do we slipstream vista sp1.
Everyone says that SP1 makes Vista faster and more stable . . . . which is really great . . . . but . . . .
1. Vista is so bloated you really need vLite.
2. If you remove the wrong thing with vLite, the SP1 installer crashes, BUT it won't tell you what is wrong -- it just gives you a meaningless error number. So, you have to spend hours and hours experimenting to figure out what the problem is.
3. OK, So I'll wait till SP1 is officially released and slip-stream it into Vista and then use vLite on that. OOOPS, Sorry. Can't do that. Microsoft has changed the SP1 installer and says that you won't be able slip-stream SP1 into Vista.
4. So, in a couple of months, when SP1 is officially released, someone will get a full DVD of Vista with SP1 integrated and upload it to one of the warez groups. Microsoft complains constantly about piracy and then does stupid crap like this that encourages people to go out and get pirated copies of Windows.
Good point fellow, also when i tried a vlited edition of winVistax64 that i made mysefl i find out that sp1 v275 failed to install, with error code (cant remember , but had to be with windows update) tried my unstouched x64 disc and all worked fine...
It is really true that if you nail something important with vlite you will make your installation useless for upcoming service packs.... not that the program its the fault but the end user that dont know what took off of the installation disc....
QUOTE (Bob_DaBoob @ Oct 9 2007, 02:19 PM)
Microsoft has changed the SP1 installer and says that you won't be able slip-stream SP1 into Vista.
What a bunch of a**holes
yes, this is bad. integration into offline images is no longer supported.
Here is a qoute from the latest WAIK:
Here is a qoute from the latest WAIK:
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Offline installation of Windows Vista SP1, or of any of the update packages included in the service pack, is not supported. Offline installation will cause the Windows image to be corrupted.
Its like MS is going backwards (why would they do such a stupid thing?)
From a Microsoft point of view they are just fighting piracy.
1. If you’ve already bought Vista, you are forced to use windows update and pass WGA to get SP1. (About a 50mb download)
2. If you buy Vista when SP1 is already out you will get a fully slipstreamed ISO with SP1.
SP1 was modified because they wanted to bring a new feature: i.e Just place the SP1 file in the Windows Vista DVD in the (UPDATE folder) thus no need to slipstream etc, but the feature was dropped! Go figure why!?!?
That’s why they killed Autopatcher. But one thing am afraid is: I know nuhi will come up with slipstreaming SP1, but then, will they kill vLite too??
1. If you’ve already bought Vista, you are forced to use windows update and pass WGA to get SP1. (About a 50mb download)
2. If you buy Vista when SP1 is already out you will get a fully slipstreamed ISO with SP1.
SP1 was modified because they wanted to bring a new feature: i.e Just place the SP1 file in the Windows Vista DVD in the (UPDATE folder) thus no need to slipstream etc, but the feature was dropped! Go figure why!?!?
That’s why they killed Autopatcher. But one thing am afraid is: I know nuhi will come up with slipstreaming SP1, but then, will they kill vLite too??
QUOTE (ZeDMaN @ Oct 11 2007, 05:53 AM)
I know nuhi will come up with slipstreaming SP1, but then, will they kill vLite too??
I hope they don't, if they do ill just go back to Windows XP x64.
But if you have to install SP1 after then you have to keep quite abit of components for it to work, which i normally like to get rid of
and gives me invalid shortcuts, links, etc... but still stable/reliable though So i hope nuhi does come up with an idea to slipstream SP1 and that vlite doesnt have to be killed because of it
so where is vista SP1 I didnt even think its out yet, can someone link me to it if thats the case?
does it have all hotfixes/updates to date? if so that would be great as I miss my Xp slipstreamed dvd's it was so easy to re install
does it have all hotfixes/updates to date? if so that would be great as I miss my Xp slipstreamed dvd's it was so easy to re install
SP1 Beta has been released but SP1 Final will be out first quarter of 2008 i think.
Wait a second, do you really think that it's illegal to integrate SP1 once it's public?
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Unlike previous service pack updates for older Windows OSs, Microsoft does not provide any switches in the EXE to allow for simple integration. Part of the problem has to do with the completely different format that the Vista Setup DVD uses where each edition of Vista is a separate index in the install.wim and that each index needs to be separately updated.
While Microsoft could implement a switch to allow the user to select which index to update or a switch to update all the indexes, it will turn out to be a very lengthy and time-consuming process as we are talking about gigabytes of files that need to be updated/replaced, saved and recompressed.
http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?catid=1&id=9536
http://bink.nu/news/windows-vista-sp1-quot...quot-guide.aspx
http://www.windowsvistaplace.com/vista-sp1...e/windows-vista
While Microsoft could implement a switch to allow the user to select which index to update or a switch to update all the indexes, it will turn out to be a very lengthy and time-consuming process as we are talking about gigabytes of files that need to be updated/replaced, saved and recompressed.
http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?catid=1&id=9536
http://bink.nu/news/windows-vista-sp1-quot...quot-guide.aspx
http://www.windowsvistaplace.com/vista-sp1...e/windows-vista
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So it with a sense of relief that I can now report that drag and drop slipstreaming--excuse me, offline updating--is still happening. It's just not happening in Vista SP1. "Vista Service Pack 1 will not be able to be applied as an offline update to prestaged install images," Zipkin told me. "But this will work as planned with future update, post-SP1 updates. We ran into some unexpected issues with the servicing stack, so we can't do it for SP1. But we're planning to add this capability for SP2, though we can't make any promises. This will be a bigger issue around SP2 than it is now. We think this is a one time thing. But you can still make your own slipstream DVD using the old '-integrate' method as with XP if you want to."
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_sp1_inside.asp
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_sp1_inside.asp
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We ran into some unexpected issues with the servicing stack, so we can't do it for SP1. But we're planning to add this capability for SP2, though we can't make any promises.
From the above quote
From the above quote
That's why microsoft made it so SP1 cannot be integrated + as the other quotes say it will take time to update all the versions of vista (Home, Home Premium, Ultimate, etc..), and will be able to in SP2 (hopefully), so i don't think it will be illegal to integrate it they just had some problems... Basically they couldn't be bothered.
Also when installing SP1 and read the agreements it says nothing about slipstreaming, integrating, updating offline image, etc.. You can recheck just to be sure.
Extra quote - some good news...
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The controversy surrounding the standalone installer involves the time and effort it currently takes to get it installed. During the beta, testers are experiencing three lengthy reboots, and Microsoft has received a number of complaints about this process. Well, here's some good news: This is a beta-only issue. By the time most customers install SP1 in early 2008, the installer will only require a single reboot.
What's happening is that Vista SP1 requires two or three prerequisites, depending on whether BitLocker is installed. These prerequisites need to be installed before SP1 can be successfully deployed, and they each require their own reboot. (One of these prerequisites, incidentally, is the servicing code mentioned previously that is causing the offline updating limitations.) Before the end of calendar year 2007, Microsoft will ship final versions of these prerequisite updates to Vista customers via Windows Update so that they will be installed well before SP1 is released. (They may ship as part of the company's regularly scheduled monthly security patch update cycle in November. Or not. They're not sure yet.) That way, Vista-based PCs can reboot silently overnight once or twice between now and SP1. So when SP1 ships, most customers will experience just a single reboot for install. These updates will also go out on new PCs this holiday season so that those machines are ready for SP1 as well.
"SP1 won't need 3 reboots in the final version," Zipkin said. "When SP1 comes out, most people will have already gotten these prerequisites. It will affect beta testers and reviewers but not customers. The average consumer won't ever see this."
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_sp1_inside.asp
What's happening is that Vista SP1 requires two or three prerequisites, depending on whether BitLocker is installed. These prerequisites need to be installed before SP1 can be successfully deployed, and they each require their own reboot. (One of these prerequisites, incidentally, is the servicing code mentioned previously that is causing the offline updating limitations.) Before the end of calendar year 2007, Microsoft will ship final versions of these prerequisite updates to Vista customers via Windows Update so that they will be installed well before SP1 is released. (They may ship as part of the company's regularly scheduled monthly security patch update cycle in November. Or not. They're not sure yet.) That way, Vista-based PCs can reboot silently overnight once or twice between now and SP1. So when SP1 ships, most customers will experience just a single reboot for install. These updates will also go out on new PCs this holiday season so that those machines are ready for SP1 as well.
"SP1 won't need 3 reboots in the final version," Zipkin said. "When SP1 comes out, most people will have already gotten these prerequisites. It will affect beta testers and reviewers but not customers. The average consumer won't ever see this."
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_sp1_inside.asp
Hope you don't mind me posting this information, i did add the original link where i got them from so you can see more information. Hope this helps too
Lego
QUOTE (legolash2o @ Oct 11 2007, 08:07 AM)
That's why SP1 cannot be integrated + as the other quotes say it will take time to update all the versions of vista (Home, Home Premium, Ultimate, etc..), and will be able to in SP2 (hopefully), so i don't think it will be illegal to integrate it they just had some problems...
But it can be integrated. At least 16633 (the Pre-Beta) can be integrated, I haven't yet tried to integrate Beta 1 as I haven't had time, but for 16633, it just requires first integrating the new servicing stack which is one of the CABs provided in the SP1 exe using the RTM pkgmgr and then integrate the rest of the CABs using an updated pkgmgr from SP1. All that is Levien's method. I tested this and it does work although it is extremely annoying in terms of how long it takes. OR you can do a reverse integration (http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?catid=1&id=9536) which isn't exactly offline slipstreaming but it gets you to the same SP1 wim file which also can be vlited. (Tested with 16633)
Its just not ideal to integrate and that's probably why MS are saying it can't be, its just not practical. Now whether they broke offline integration in Beta 1, I don't know... yet however reverse integration should work just fine in Beta 1 and in the final version as that does not depend on anything regarding offline integration.
In the end, I really don't see why everyone is making a big fuss out of being able to or not being able to slipstream SP1. MS will release full SP1 ISOs which will be the one you'll want as the full SP1 ISO will have updated setup, boot.wim files which a slipstream cannot do.
QUOTE (Arneh @ Oct 11 2007, 06:16 PM)
In the end, I really don't see why everyone is making a big fuss out of being able to or not being able to slipstream SP1. MS will release full SP1 ISOs which will be the one you'll want as the full SP1 ISO will have updated setup, boot.wim files which a slipstream cannot do.
but i cant exactly go back to my retailer and trade my non-SP1 vista disk with a disk with SP1, so i'll want to be able to integrate it... i don't want to buy a new vista sp1 disk
QUOTE (legolash2o @ Oct 11 2007, 01:31 PM)
but i cant exactly go back to my retailer and trade my non-SP1 vista disk with a disk with SP1, so i'll want to be able to integrate it... i don't want to buy a new vista sp1 disk
Well, there are many ways to get the SP1 media. If you're at a university, you'll be able to get it via MSDNAA for free. If not, MS have http download links (no user/pass required) for Vista (I'm not sure how legal it is to post those so I won't be doing that) but nevertheless there are http download links by MS for the whole Vista DVD which will no doubt get updated to SP1 when SP1 is final. And finally, you can get the media for only $5 from ie. http://www.compusa.com/products/product_in...roductname_link which really isn't too unreasonable.
My point is, would you rather try to force a slipstream of it (and hope that it works) especially since MS won't be supporting it in any way or go with one of the above? Anyway, if you still want to somehow slip it and if vLite doesn't get full support for slipping, http://www.winbeta.org/comments.php?catid=1&id=9536 works just fine and will get you a vLite'able install.wim and will work even if slipstreaming doesn't work in the future but, even though I wrote it, I strongly suggest getting a clean full SP1 ISO.
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with your method, will be be able to install Office 2007 and other stuff aswell so there already installed?
QUOTE (legolash2o @ Oct 11 2007, 03:28 PM)
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with your method, will be be able to install Office 2007 and other stuff aswell so there already installed?
You could install anything you want and then repack the wim however you may get issues with shortcuts etc. not working correctly if you then install to a different partition/drive letter (this is a complete guess as I haven't tried to install apps). The generalize function for Sysprep takes care of partition/drive letter issues for the actual Windows install so that you can install it to whatever system/drive you want later but in terms of it taking care of specific applications, you'll have to try for yourself and see. Again, it's something that I haven't had time for but would like to try sometime.
Of course, another issue with installing apps and repacking the wim is what effect it will have on vLite when you go to try and remove components etc. and whether or not vLite will break anything in the registry store or remove any files related/required for those apps.
If you are able to obtain the full SP1 ISO, then a better way may be the following:
1. vLite the SP1 ISO customizing/removing any components/features that you don't need
2. Install the vLited SP1 and enter Audit mode as per my guide.
3. Install your apps
4. Generalize/OOBE from Sysprep
5. Repack the wim
In this way, you won't have to deal with the possibility that vLite may screw up app installs but you may still have the issue with shortcuts etc. that I described in the previous post (if that issue even exists when using Generalize)
1. vLite the SP1 ISO customizing/removing any components/features that you don't need
2. Install the vLited SP1 and enter Audit mode as per my guide.
3. Install your apps
4. Generalize/OOBE from Sysprep
5. Repack the wim
In this way, you won't have to deal with the possibility that vLite may screw up app installs but you may still have the issue with shortcuts etc. that I described in the previous post (if that issue even exists when using Generalize)
hello ppl,
thnax for the replies..
i have found an article telling how to integrate the vista sp1
its called as reverse integration,but its too time consuming...
ne ways thanx for replying.
hope vlite with integration facility comes soon...i am waiting...
bye
thnax for the replies..
i have found an article telling how to integrate the vista sp1
its called as reverse integration,but its too time consuming...
ne ways thanx for replying.
hope vlite with integration facility comes soon...i am waiting...
bye
Reverse integration is also not the way to go, because you would get SP1 in the install.wim, but you would still have RTM in the boot.wim. It would just be a selfmade mess, if any of the boot drivers happen to be updated or if vulnerabilities in the WinPE needed to be patched. I see how integrating SP1 into Vista RTM would take a lot of time, because all the seperate images would need to be updated. I don't see how this would change for SP2, which can only be bigger than SP1. Unless you are supposed to integrate SP2 into an SP1 disc.
I say get yourself some official SP1 media when it's released: either buy the software assurance discs for $10 or so, borrow somebody's retail disc, or download it somewhere. Packing an online image is for building a corporate install, that includes default settings, drivers and third party software, it was never intended for just integrating microsoft updates.
I say get yourself some official SP1 media when it's released: either buy the software assurance discs for $10 or so, borrow somebody's retail disc, or download it somewhere. Packing an online image is for building a corporate install, that includes default settings, drivers and third party software, it was never intended for just integrating microsoft updates.
QUOTE (Arneh @ Oct 11 2007, 01:52 PM)
If not, MS have http download links (no user/pass required) for Vista (I'm not sure how legal it is to post those so I won't be doing that)
If it isn't protected and is on Microsoft's server, what's the problem? If they don't want it public then they need to put it on part of their network that isn't on the internet.
Arneh, I just made the SP1 RC integrated from XP as secondary OS and this time it worked. Thank you.
(first time I did it from another Vista, maybe messed up something else but the image was unusable, weird)
jdeboeck, hey, haven't seen you in a long time.
This captured thing is perfectly ok, boot.wim is not an issue and it seems like it switches to SP1 after the first reboot (the GUI changes a tiny bit, maybe unimportant).
It would be perfect to have boot.wim updated as well but if it works who cares, nothing is copied from it into the final install.
Since when do you surrender to what they decide?
We capture so that we don't have to wait for them. Can't install SP on the lite install anyway. Can't configure at will, gotta install it for an hour every time after reinstall, cmon, did you forget how to be an enthusiast
This integration makes it possible to have that extra option just in case. And even the direct integration worked until RC, they switched from offline to online package. It did have some extra errors so this capture is better since it has no errors.
(first time I did it from another Vista, maybe messed up something else but the image was unusable, weird)
jdeboeck, hey, haven't seen you in a long time.
This captured thing is perfectly ok, boot.wim is not an issue and it seems like it switches to SP1 after the first reboot (the GUI changes a tiny bit, maybe unimportant).
It would be perfect to have boot.wim updated as well but if it works who cares, nothing is copied from it into the final install.
Since when do you surrender to what they decide?
We capture so that we don't have to wait for them. Can't install SP on the lite install anyway. Can't configure at will, gotta install it for an hour every time after reinstall, cmon, did you forget how to be an enthusiast
This integration makes it possible to have that extra option just in case. And even the direct integration worked until RC, they switched from offline to online package. It did have some extra errors so this capture is better since it has no errors.
There should be a WAIK for Vista SP1 I saw, with this the cabs in SP1 you might be able to integrate these. Not sure what you use nuhi. Probably something from the WAIK or not?
To capture? Yes, just imagex.exe. Then took install.wim and copied into the retail Sources folder.
if they have WAIK for SP1
then it must have updated boot.wim too
then it must have updated boot.wim too
First of all, I'm sorry for the following question.
I've extracted the public RC using "Windows6.0-KB936330-wave1-X86.exe /x:C:\temp". Why sp1 can't be integrated?
I've extracted the public RC using "Windows6.0-KB936330-wave1-X86.exe /x:C:\temp". Why sp1 can't be integrated?
kontini, because it is locked as Online package type (meaning you can only run it on the OS to which you will install it on).
For example Hotfixes are offline and online, so they can be integrated (offline).
Alpha versions of Service pack were like hotfixes so it was possible to integrate it, it was significantly bigger as well.
For example Hotfixes are offline and online, so they can be integrated (offline).
Alpha versions of Service pack were like hotfixes so it was possible to integrate it, it was significantly bigger as well.
Hi all!
I'm new to this whole game, but as I'm going to be formatting soon anyway I thought I might give this a shot.
I just wanted to check with you guys. I've got the Public Beta of SP1 RC1 downloaded (the 436 MB file) and I've used it to update this machine already. I know that it's at the very least time consuming to get SP1 integrated into a vlite image at this point.
My question is: you CAN still just install SP1 after the vlite install is done, right? It's not like the vlite install makes SP1 not install at all, right? I just want to make sure that will work-- the hour install doesn't bother me much at this point.
Thanks!
I'm new to this whole game, but as I'm going to be formatting soon anyway I thought I might give this a shot.
I just wanted to check with you guys. I've got the Public Beta of SP1 RC1 downloaded (the 436 MB file) and I've used it to update this machine already. I know that it's at the very least time consuming to get SP1 integrated into a vlite image at this point.
My question is: you CAN still just install SP1 after the vlite install is done, right? It's not like the vlite install makes SP1 not install at all, right? I just want to make sure that will work-- the hour install doesn't bother me much at this point.
Thanks!
If you remove some components (haven't tested which because it seems it's many of them) then it fails. So you can use vLite for tweaks, unattended and integrations, just don't remove components if you will install SP on that install.
Since I never installed SP on the machine without reinstalling integrated one I don't see this as a minus. It is for average users but then again they shouldn't tamper with the OS in the first place.
Since I never installed SP on the machine without reinstalling integrated one I don't see this as a minus. It is for average users but then again they shouldn't tamper with the OS in the first place.
Ah, ok, so for now if you want SP1 on, don't use vlite to strip anything out?
Will this be fixed once Microsoft releases an official disc with SP1 already on it and then you start with that and Vlite it?
Will this be fixed once Microsoft releases an official disc with SP1 already on it and then you start with that and Vlite it?
It already works if you integrate SP1. Guide for integration via capture is up in this thread.
Only problem is if you remove then try to install SP1 on it.
Only problem is if you remove then try to install SP1 on it.
Through the reverse integration? That sounds like an awful lot of work at this point, especially for someone as new to making these as I am. Maybe I'll get bored and brave in the near future though
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