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cannie

Jul 22 2008, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (Eck @ Jul 22 2008, 12:30 AM)

98SE is the only Windows I've actually enjoyed running over the years.

You are not the only one.

I'm sure you will enjoy it even more if you clone your installed W98 on another drive to have the possibility of booting it in that second drive to restore the original if needed. Very easy and it gives you a 100% security. I've used it for years. Look at this post:

http://www.msfn.org/board/Clone-Win98SE-on...-D-t118623.html

Best wishes.

Chozo4

Jul 22 2008, 05:16 PM

My reasoning still stands. However, I stated it rather agressively in this rather old thread.

Though to summarize my statement (I apologize for the agressiveness in it ahead of time), here is the main part of it:

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I will use 98se because I don't see the real point in upgrading. I've always been a minimalist whereas if I have something that handles all of my needs without having to dual-boot I'm all for it. If I can get that option in as small of a size and memory footprint as possible, even better. I just truely don't believe in newer always being better when the newer and better just doesn't handle what I need and want. Convinience and performance is key in my eyes.

Can I play all of my legacy games at a whim? YES
Can I play all of my legacy games without emulation (and on kali)? YES
Can I still use older versions of software that still do the same job as the newer? YES
Can I still play even the most recent of games and software? YES
Can I network over a lan and wireless flawlessly? YES
Can I host it as a full time personal webserver\fileserver? YES

At least half of those quests would end up with a no if i used anything newer such as windows xp. I would also be forced to dual boot which is something I didn't want to bother with in the firts place. Why end your session to change O/S just to do one thing when windows 98 can handle it all and then some?

I will still use windows 98se untill the last day I can use it no longer. 'Upgrading' to a supposedly newer but lesser OS is not my idea of an upgrade. Why shoudl I sacrifice additional disk space and ram for something 'just because its newer' and doesn't do what I need? I use multitudes of unsupported software and never complained about it. Sure, we can use a virtual pc but - why go through an extra 5+ steps to set it up virtually when you can just boot into it directly with no problems? Unless you really need to for other reasons I fully understand and Will not debate that as poeple will use what they want to use as they need to use it.

Again, i just do not see the need to shell out for an O/S that is a virtual downgrade in my eyes. More space use, more ram use, does less for me, runs slower, and provides more never-to-be-used features. Don't give me the dismissive 'use xp and nlite it' comments as I will just disregard it. Just because I can make it smaller won't hide the fact that it still doesn't do what I want when I want.

Sure, windows 98 may not be as 'secure' according to many people but have I been 'hacked' or whatever? Absolutely not. I run in my DMZ, I leave it running 24\7, I leave ports open for services I have running such as my webserver and ftp, I also have no firewall. By most if not all standards I'm wide open and just waiting to be 'hijacked'. However, it's yet to happen for the last 5 years...

herbalist

Jul 22 2008, 08:57 PM

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Sure, windows 98 may not be as 'secure' according to many people but have I been 'hacked' or whatever?

That's what MS and security software vendors would like you to believe in order to separate you from your money. The only place 98 falls short in security is with local threats, where unauthorized people have access to the keyboard. Against threats from the net, 98 can be made very secure at little or no cost.
Rick

Multibooter

Jul 25 2008, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (Fredledingue @ Jul 14 2008, 05:23 PM)

I stopped using antiviruses two years ago because they couldn't find anything ever. I run spybot once in a blue moon, and at worse, he finds three cookies.

With Win98 I only make on-demand scans of new downloads. Kaspersky detects in my eMule-downloads about 1-3 trojans per day, but these files get deleted right away. About 4 weeks ago I had made a complete scan of all files on the computer, and Kaspersky could not find any malware, even if the previous system-wide virus-check was made over a year ago!

What is worrying however, is that the current flood of trojans seems to overwhelm even Kaspersky: When I re-checked older eMule downloads of a year ago, Kaspersky identified a LOT of trojans in them, even if Kaspersky at the time of download issued a clean bill of health. My guess is that in every 20th software download with eMule, there is a not-yet-identified trojan.

Despite treading in sometimes very murky waters with Win98, my computers had not had a noticeable malware infection for several years. On the WinXP opsys on my computers I never had an infection since I have not set up an internet connection under XP, only under Win98.

iheartsims

Jul 27 2008, 01:46 PM

Why do I use Windows 98 still?

Try running Windows XP on a 80486 and you'll see why

SlugFiller

Jul 27 2008, 02:11 PM

QUOTE (iheartsims @ Jul 27 2008, 10:46 PM)

Why do I use Windows 98 still?

Try running Windows XP on a 80486 and you'll see why

So the question becomes "why do you still use an 80486?"

FishBowl

Jul 30 2008, 06:38 AM

I've got a FAST AVMaster (fully hardware based audio/video I/O, VxD drivers only) and I still need it.
Never got it working on 2k, XP or Linux.
That's one good reason for me, to keep 98SE alive.

And I am using Norton Ghost for image backups of all system partitions, including 2k SP4, XP Pro SP3 and Linux.
The fastest way I've ever seen. Works fine in the DOS box of '98SE.
Of course, I am not placing movies, disc images or other GB consumers on system partitions.

I am using the latest unofficial update from nandlstadt.com and nusb for years now.
Planning to put specs into my signature occasionally.

cannie

Jul 31 2008, 02:29 AM

QUOTE (FishBowl @ Jul 30 2008, 02:38 PM)

That's one good reason for me, to keep 98SE alive.

Most individual users of XP never needed really any upgrade at all, because Windows 98 SE was enough for their simple needs and definitely a very stable OS after many years of experience, enjoying thousands of software for everything which is not only compatible but designed for this OS. I wonder how many users of Win98 would have upgraded if they had not been forced by the pressure used by all means (preinstalled software, ads, lack of support, stop of drivers supply, and so on) to defend the economic interests of Microsoft, the hardware dealers, the computer retailers and maybe some other instances which take profit of the many new unknown backdoors. This multiple pressure created since 2001 a feeling of being a poor fellow, an oldfashioned foolish or even almost a sinner for not upgrading to XP among Windows 98 SE users , the same feeling that they try to expand now among XP users for not upgrading to Vista (does any normal app really need such a giant hardware and software amount?), even when on the other side they offer you as an advantage the possibility of "downgrading" to XP, and even running Windows 98 through a "virtual machine". IMO there is an "abuse of dominant position", as EU says, and not only in Europe.

Multibooter

Jul 31 2008, 05:11 PM

QUOTE (cannie @ Jul 31 2008, 01:29 AM)

I wonder how many users of Win98 would have upgraded if they had not been forced by the pressure used by all means (preinstalled software, ads, lack of support, stop of drivers supply, and so on) to defend the economic interests of Microsoft, the hardware dealers, the computer retailers and maybe some other instances which take profit of the many new unknown backdoors. This multiple pressure created since 2001...

US software released after Sepptember of that year may or may not contain special goodies. In any case, the US official agencies must be pleased that the relative secure Win98 has come into disuse.

cannie

Aug 1 2008, 03:02 AM

I don't like any Gruyère cheese OS.
The best way to avoid anyone using backdoors against your will and without your knowledge is not having any backdoor at all.
As it is commonly said, "your home is your castle".

jeffredo

Aug 5 2008, 03:42 PM

I have an old Dell V350 that I picked up from work when we got new machines. I stuck a 1.4 Powerleap CPU upgrade in it, upped the RAM to 384MB and installed a 3dfx Voodoo5 PCI card that I had. I then installed Win 98 SE and patched it with the Unoffical Windows 98 SE Service Pack. It runs very nicely. I have a few Glide games installed on it (Diablo II in particularly) and its great for them. Its not my main PC of course, but it still works fine and I don't see getting rid of it ever.

cannie

Aug 6 2008, 03:25 PM

IMO all means have been used to create a neurotic passion against Windows 98 by those who are interested in selling software and hardware and in controlling our lives and our money. I wonder if there is any obligation, moral duty or legal command to stop doing anything that you do in a legit use of your freedom.

As many other people, I like Windows 98 because I spent thousands of hours using it and I am not ready to spend another thousands of hours of my life trying to reach the point of security in the opsys and in myself that I have now. It is something like to stop speaking english to begin talking phoenician.

Wow!

Fredledingue

Aug 8 2008, 03:52 PM

With XP and Vista you never know if the changes you are making in your system will pas through all the protections and guardian services, or if they will be applied at all.

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