I'm looking for a virtual machine software that i could use to run XP inside WinMe. I know it'll be slow, but it's gonna be for testing only. Do you know of a good software to run it? QEMU and Bochs are out of the question as they can't even run 95 at a half-decent speed.

virtual pc 5.1 should work on winME, though it might be a bit hard to find

Why not use a small "Flash-drive usb stick"it's bootable with UBCD411/WinME(98SE as i prefer) and allows for more accurate setting and its own Harddrive/System enviroment for real testing <portable too >*cheap prices $. *Virtual machines have too many in-consistent drawbacks to real mode testing-

Coz my laptop can't boot from USB.

Maybe, just maybe, this can change that behaviour:
http://www.plop.at/
http://www.plop.at/en/bootmngrusblog.html

jaclaz

I'll try that, thank you. It does boot from an USB floppy drive (but my guess is that it emulates a legacy FDD, although a Linux boot disk sees it as an USB floppy indeed), but will not boot off flash drives. Haven't tried an USB CDROM, will try to get a hold of one.

I have often wondered.... couldn't a floppy disk be made to boot off the USB device? the same way that older machines use a floppy to boot the CD?


Also, why can't you make a special bootable CDROM to passoff to the USB drive? Knoppix loads off cd, and then you can tell it where to put the 'temp' files (instead of eating ram).

Do you want to run XP inside of 9x? Or simply see XP on that machine? You can use nLite (I think) to make a live XP cd... have you tried that?

Noone AFAIK managed to do it, PLOP is the only (although experimental) project that got some actual results.
An old attempt (for DOS) was left "unfinished" for lack of interest/resources:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18650


You can (if we are talking about XP) using the "XP Kansas City shuffle" or "fake signature" method:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=21242



You joking right?
nlite is a program to reduce XP install source, it has NOTHING to do with "Live XP cd's" (which are actually usually PE based) or with Virtual Machines.
For the record, it does exist a "real" Live XP cd, etboot:
http://www.boot-land.net/forums/?showtopic=3890

jaclaz

As far as I am aware there is no virtualization software capable of running under the 9x series OSes. The codebase is simply far too different from that of the OSes derived from the NT codebase.

As already mentioned, Connectix Virtual PC (Microsoft Virtual PC was bought from Connectix) up to version 5.1 ran under win9x Operating Systems, though version 4.0 was said to be the last one really working OK under 9x:
http://www.designertoday.com/Reviews/2002....indows.5.1.aspx

jaclaz

huh... that's interesting to know...



hmmm... I'm going to have to read that one... again. interesting, nonetheless....

I wonder if a network boot could be utilized to pass-off control to a local USB drive... the network drive stays connected, but the machine won't crash if the network boot drive is removed after bootup... just thinking... but it *is* off topic....



Aight... I give... I goofed... but re-reading it... I know what I was trying to say...

you can use nLite to make a smaller, slimmer, more 98-pc friendly version of the install (not to mention, it is the easiest way I know of to manipulate XP install media.) THEN use PE Builder to compile it into a live CD. Methinks it may be possible to exploit nLite's ability to patch the installer to modify the usb drivers for this purpose... I mean, couldn't you just tell XP to forget USB exists?? Use a boot-time loader to enable 'legacy usb'... I don't know any specifics, but it may be possible using this approach...

just seems like if you could get the actual booted OS to forget about USB entirely, the 'real-mode' drivers should be able to still communicate... just load them before the OS...

also, if the machine you are trying to find a vm for is somewhat current... why not reverse it? boot XP natively (or 2k) and run 98 in a window?



THYDREAMWALKER- can you elaborate? I never looked into UBCD having that feature....? sounds like it would be a solution for me possibly....

? edit post won't allow you to toggle email replies ?

sorry for a wasted post just to get that box toggled....

Only problem is that i don't have a CD-ROM drive either, a second battery is in place of that. But to answer the question, yes, i want XP inside 98. I'll try that old Virtual PC you mentioned... However i think i'll need a bigger HDD first, i have only 2GB free of 30GB, and i need most of the stuff that's on it.

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Works in 98SE System as Multi-boot or Usb Boot!

hmmm... do you have a link to that stuff?? I'ld like to look into it some more....

beginning to seem like this UBCD I got is really "ultimate"...


I like.



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jaclaz

Connectix Virtual PC v4.3.2 works fine. Check here.

Thanks. I cleared up some space now so i'll give it a whirl.

WakePup can boot Puppy Linux sitting on a CD or USB stick by booting it from floppy. It uses FreeDOS for this purpose. So why wouldn't it be possible for other OSs?

hmmm... brain farts and fuzzy morning eyes shouldn't mix with hands on keyboards....
coffee....

Thanks

Well, it might work if i find a way to install it. It asks for a trial serial number i have nowhere to get from, and i didn't find the retail version for download anywhere.

Edit: I found a trial serial number for 5.1 and installed that, but upon restart windoze gave me a BSOD saying "While loading device NTKERN.VXD: Windows Protection Error. You must restart your computer." Luckily i was able to reboot in safe mode and uninstall it... Close call.

Edit 2: Got a trial serial for 4.3.2, but of course, it's expired. Well, i set the date back a few years and it works.

Qemu is the most self-contained PC emulator that I've ever meet.

It's small sized (~3Mb), requires no install and should work from plain MS DOS, Win9x, WinNT, linux, etc to emulate Windows XP as you required on this question.

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A bit sluggier when compared to other emulators like Virtual Box, Virtual PC and VMWare but should still allow to work minimally with the emulated windows and I think it should be the most appropriate option for running XP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_virtual_machines

It doesn't however support Vista emulation yet and can also be speed up when installing the accelerator kqemu but I'm not sure if the service can be installed inside a non-NT windows.

You find it here: http://www.h7.dion.ne.jp/~qemu-win/

The program itself is command line driven but the documentation is very clear and contains some quick to follow examples.

There are also a few qemu GUI managers around the google'sphere to help set it up: http://www.google.pt/search?hl=pt-PT&r...GUI&spell=1

Good luck!

QEMU could barely handle 95 on my laptop...

Good news is i got XP installed under Virtual PC 4.3.2 and the startup procedure is simple - set date back a few years, start Virtual PC, set date back to current time, boot XP and enjoy.

It's pretty slow, but not to the point that it becomes unusable. For example i can type this reply just fine without the text box "falling behind" my typing. I can even play a little 2D game. Also pointer integration and shared folders work perfectly, and networking too as you can notice. It does not make Winamp stutter on the host machine either. Success!

I also got that error message after installing 5.1. After a boot into safe mode, the next reboot was normal, with Virtual PC 5.1 working normally. Occasionally I still get that error but it usually boots fine on the next try. I haven't figured out how to completely eliminate this problem yet.
Rick

We're not certainly talking about qemu then..

How much memory have used to run your virtual machine?

Trying to use 512Mb of emulated RAM on a machine with 128Mb will certainly cause any emulator to run sluggish because it will be using memory paged file.

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Qemu is a very efficient command line driven app, what was the configuration that you used?

Just interested to know why you say that it barely run on your machine.

Well, 4.3.2 works fine for me, and i'll just keep it that way.




Honestly i don't remember, it might be Bochs i was talking about.

To answer your memory question, i have 496MB RAM in my laptop (16MB is used by the onboard video) and i allocated 192MB RAM for XP in Virtual PC. Me still runs fine and XP is fast enough to serve the purpose i installed it for: run the 2D 9x-only game i patched for XP and that i have to test a bit more till i release the patch.

For now Virtual PC works and that's fine with me, i have no more HDD space left to mess around.

One strange (but welcome) thing is that Me boots a lot faster since i installed Virtual PC.