The Resources can be gotten from other places including Vista, who needs Vista Pack for this

yeah, i agree with ricktendo, be my guest and get them from vista.

and no, i am not planning on selling my software, i just want to keep it clean with you guys.

i hate if we would get mixed up and stuff so.

thats all guys, no need to get offended because i let my view on things see here...

Damian666

p.s. i didnt use the word "steal" anywhere man...

Guys, guys, it's fine.

Calm down, don't start a "holy war" (so to speak) about this. It's fine, we'll just need to find other who are willing to contribute.

Damian666, if you change your mind, be sure to let us know . As of now, we'll have to find others. Don't worry, it's fine. The project can continue without it.

@doomangel: so your on the project team now, have you checked CodePlex and the project? Login and right under your name and the logout, look for Projects (and you'll see our code name for the next XPize/ Vize, not public yet.).

The new website should be up soon. Stay tuned !!

yeah, i checked, thanx for the add pal.

@happy dude

well, what my concern is, what will happen too the respective owners packs?

because you know... i love making my pack, and what will happen with it if i integrate it in the XPize project?
will it still continue?, or will it just cease to exist?

please note that i dont mind the competition, hell... we all know there are a lot of vista style shellpacks out there.

but its different if binding it in a bigger project, thats what troubles me about this.

so give me a anwser i can live with, and i will help you guys with a headstart on the resources...

and no, lets not begin a holy war, very well said.

Damian666

We will be managing a third-party pack system where people can submit packs of their own and download them separately of XPize from the same website.

Packs which we determine are of high enough quality will be invited to be part of the official releases. At no point will anyone have to surrender any rights for their works. Full attribution will be given.

which means at first they will stay intact?

just a download mirror and publicity?

damian666

Intact. Always intact. Unadulterated.

As I said, no-ones rights will be infringed.

If enough people ask for it, maybe I'll include support for digital signatures so people know they haven't been altered.

ok, i am almost there...
just one more question, and its the biggest one for me...

that means that only i will alter , or upgrade my pack?

if so, i am in, if not, then forget about it, no hard feelings.

Damian666

That's the very definition of "Unadulterated". It's your intellectual property, not ours. We'd just be distributing it under the agreement we don't modify it.

So, might I say that you're in, Damian666? If so, join our CodePlex group (create an account and tell us your name so we can get you in). Remember, you can always pull out and get your stuff out of the program if you want to.

yeah well, just checking, language barrier
i didnt get that word all that well.

well, if you would like to have me, after all the above fighting we did... i am available.

but no more holy war thingys man.

Damian666

Awesome, Damian666 !!

If you would like in now, and if you would like to see our current progress, please join CodePlex. http://www.codeplex.com/

Make yourself an account, tell us what it is, and we'll invite you into the project peoples. There, you can check out our progress and such. Mostly, I've been compiling bug reports, W3bbo's been organizing the new website and gathering old source codes from XPero, and we've been talking about the new architecture.

I don't believe that we've started the actual coding or making the new program yet, but we're organizing it and gathering info. So, in the coming weeks and months, we'll have a whole ton of things happening and such.

Hey, you're from The Netherlands, correct? People speak Dutch there as the native language, correct? Let me use Google Translator to translate the above message, hopefully crossing the language barrier a bit --

[Translated]
Awesome, Damian666!

Als u wilt dat u nu, en als u zou graag zien dat onze huidige vooruitgang, meld u dan CodePlex. http://www.codeplex.com/

Maak zelf een rekening, ons vertellen wat het is, en we nodigen u uit in het project volkeren. Daar kunt u op onze vooruitgang en dergelijke. Meestal heb ik het samenstellen van bug reports, W3bbo's is het organiseren van de nieuwe website en het verzamelen van oude broncodes van XPero, en we hebben het gehad over de nieuwe architectuur.

Ik geloof niet dat we begonnen met de daadwerkelijke code of het maken van het nieuwe programma nog niet, maar we organiseren en het verzamelen van informatie. Dus, in de komende weken en maanden, we hebben een hele hoop dingen gebeuren en dergelijke.

Hey, u bent van Nederland, juist? Laat ik gebruik maken van Google Translator aan het vertalen van de bovenstaande bericht, hopelijk overschrijding van de taalbarrière een beetje:) --


EDIT--
Crap !! I've just looked over the thread and I realized some questions were answered ...

From Zoom7000--


From ricktendo64--


From doomangel--


Does anyone know the status of these questions ... ? W3bbo, XPero? I can't really answer them ... Anyone?

NOTE: If there is any language barrier for people, please make note of it; I realize a lot of users aren't natively English speaking. Please make note of it and I'll try to make the barrier easier to cross !!

trust me man, its not that i dont speak english very well, honestly i think i do...
but that 1 word, i really didnt get

so just speak english, thats much better, for you, and for me

and just to get in on it right away,...

QUOTE
all right, here's the first question. is it possible to use relative paths instead of absolute in vize? also there must be something wrong with the spacing in vize, just like ricktendo64 has mentiond about sidebar.exe it looks that the same problem exist with c:\program files\internet explerer\iexplore.exe for example.
Any ideas?

if that doesnt work, you can always do what i do, check for certain files in preset places, and set that in a file, thats how i do it, so only if a file is found, its recorded in a inifile with the filename and location.
Thats not really relative, but it is tailored to the users system, which results in the same effect.
file is always found

QUOTE
Wouldn't it be possible to have Vize detect if Restorator or some other resource editor is installed and then use those for x64 resource editing?

yes this is possible, but please note that restorator has problems with fileversions if you try to use the respatchers or cmdline, i dont know if this is fixed in later versions, but i tried it once too, and really wasnt satisfied to say at least.

there, just my two cents

damian666

p.s. i am not bad with autoit, so if you want to have small support programs, i can help you out there.

welcome to the team, it wasn't a fighting.
i checked the tango patcher and its working fine with spaces so..what is happening.
is some kind of .net problem? permissions?

@damian666:

I dont have any problems with you mate. If my pevious post was harsh, I apologize.

I just thought that it would be kind of you to share your work as I did with mine, because that helped you a lot in getting started. But as you said, you dont have the obligation to do so if your pack isnt based on XPize source anymore. It was just my expectation. My fault.

The most important thing for me right now is to see a much better XPize thanks to the efforts of developers and designers with more strength and motivation that I currently have.

I am glad you guys decided to separate the program from the resources, this will take the burden off the programmers and focus it right where it needs to be...on the program

BTW I do have a handful of resources that Vize does not patch that I use for myself (IDK if this will be helpful)

http://www.qcom3.com/wincert02/Vize.7z

And yes if XPize.net comes out with support for icon packs I might make a Vista icon one, already done it before

OH and plz add Vize support for .SCR (screensaver) files

Edit: What ever you do ppl dont edit user32.dll (system will not boot) or setupapi.dll (breaks windows sound) on Vista

nah, its well XPero, we were both a bit out of line here, lets just forget it ok?

i can help you guys with my resources, i have a lot of them so
we just have to change them to make them more fitting to the xpize stuff.

not that it is diferent, because i have kept the way resources are stored the same as in your source.

if it works, why change it right?

so, we will see what happens man, keep cool

Damian666

Well, in my ears this sounds what i have been thinking about.

XPize is all about getting the old fashioned classic look that's coming from earlier windows editions out of Windows XP and replace it with the real XP-stuff. When XP is XP, XP should look like an XP.

Vize is all about the same thing, but just on Vista. Old look coming from earlier editions of Windows, should be replaced by the real Vista.
When Vista is Vista, Vista should look like a Vista.

Vistapack is the pack to get the (latest windows) Vista style on 2000/XP, which CAN be an addon for XPize.
But that's the question if you guys want it to be so?

And hey, these three pack's (XPize, Vize and Vistapack) is in the same family, what about getting it on the same page?

I mean, you don't have to use different websites for each of these applications when it is in the same family?

What about checking the Official nLite website and see how they have done it with vLite, up in the right corner, and the other way back to nLite?

They are in family

But there they use different websites, something that is un-necessesary.

I was thinking about ONE new website, which could be the family-name of these three projects, and three pages where XPize, Vize and Vistapack was included on the same website. Is it possible to do so?

I know my English is bad, but anyway, someone who get's my point?

Yes, and you can rest assured what you've proposed we've had in the pipeline for some time now.

i agree, BUT... please note that some , me for example, make themself a little bit of money with adsense on their site.
that would fall away if all went to one page, which i dont like for obvious reasons, i dont mind if my XPize pack is going there, but not the separate one, please no

But getting it all in 1 place what XPize packs concerns, hell yeah

Damian666

At least XPize and Vize should do that, they are in family, and your version of Vistapack addon for XPize.

Just a thinking thought..

yes, as i said, i agree with you man

Damian666

The family is XPize & Vize. Other packs (not talking about addons) should have their own websites. I still think that both XPize and Vize should have their own exclusive websites, but as prebeandre said, with a link to their respective counterparts.

I think XPize and Vize should follow the nLite/vLite architecture on their websites, with addons included.
So Damian666 can make a little *Vistapack-addon* (If he wants to?) for XPize.

But after all this mess, i think XPize and Vize should be re-released, from the ground level (Starting with version 1.0 again), or is it un-necessary?

yes, i totally agree with XPero man... the way Nuhi does it with Nlite and Vlite si teh way to go IMHO.
and then we can always make a page for the addons on the XPize site.

and setting it back to version 1.0? hmm, maybe tahts a good idea? XPero?

Damian666

Well, the new architecture allows for something like this.

Though, from what I understand, its not entirely the same thing. I believe that we will be checking for quality and compatibility if we were in charge of what gets into the program.

I'm think that our current method is more beneficial. Not sure how the add-on architecture would work. Seems like a nice idea, but what will happen if the program breaks or stuff goes wrong (quality checking) ?

Remember to post back !!

EDIT:: [[yes, I was wrong]]

Talked to W3bbo about it, check it out:

(preliminary)
--xpize and Vize are both distributions with their respective packages

--after they're installed people can download and add other packages... assuming people want to distribute only the packages and not the software

--people are free to make their own distributions (program + package), but I'm not sure how that work work if you installed two different ones on the same system

--quality testing? I've got a VPC box and time
and then there's public betas... all that

Hello again I do not believe they disappeared.

I am aware of everything, and moving a little with the code making xis 1.1.

I work doing the installer and Vize XPize.net

Well, I think we need a forum hidden among us to show the progress of each person or idea.
This advance before launching a final XPize

Well I hope their views

I am ready to create a forum hidden in my Web

We are in contact

niwradsoft, why don't you join our CodePlex page?

The Codeplex page has areas for bug reports, management people, and discussion forums. Before the project is public, perhaps you can use that page to better communicate with us.

Here: http://www.codeplex.com/

Let us know when you've joined and we'll gladly add you to the project people !!

is the project now published?

We're putting off publishing until the last minute (sometime around the 20th August) so we can clean up and get everything ready.

I've just been so bogged down with normal work I'm finding it hard to get the time to work on xpize. But I promise it will be done...eventually.

UPDATE::

W3bbo has made the NEW website !! Go onto xpize's homepage and take a look [ http://www.xpize.net/index.php ]

Great props to him for a complete revamp of the site !! Feedback and comments and greatly appreciated . The website will continue to experience changes. Please be patient and let us make 'em.



EDIT::
vize Website revamp will come soon !!

**Anolis publication will be here in about a week !!

Actually, I'm afraid we may have to move the xpize 5 release date to October, potentially November.

Y'see... in August I need to finish redoing my LAN and Active Directory (Thanks to a mistake I made in Q1 2005), then in September I'll be away for 2 weeks on holiday, probably Sicily, and then I'm off to University (Birmingham UK, Computer Science) on the 22nd September. All whilst doing this I need to spend a lot of time on getting my unrelated businesses working and providing a steady stream of income to support my studies.

I think I'll aim for an alpha or beta release in late-September with a solid RTM following extensive testing in November.

Modifications to make it work for Vize should be minimal. I anticipate Vize II in December, more likely January.

Great news!

I can't wait for this lovely stuff

Maybe i soon can go back to Windows XP now...without having the outdated design coming from the original XP

Will there be support for XPize integration to XP-installation disc?

prebenandre,

Most likely, we will have it. It is one of the biggest features of the original architecture.

BUT !! I can't speak for everyone on the team. W3bbo is the project lead and will be programming the crux of the new architecture. Many others will be able to add packs (again, nothing's set in stone here) and have swappable themes and styles into it.

I am not completely sure how the new architecture (built on C#) will translate into slipstreaming. But, if it isn't in the first new 5.0 (alpha/ beta), we might/ will be looking to add it into the future.

First is first:: Get the program set, architecture written, and have it's ability to patch the OS perfect to near 4.x effect or greater. After, we will add features and stuff that will make XPize's/ Vize's capabilities expanded.

Right now, just be patient. The program will be worked on, no doubt about that .

Hi guys,

Thanks for the invitation however after some careful thinking I have chosen to decline your offer.
I wish you all good luck in continuing the XPize project.

TTFN,
Antonio

Thanks for the reply, zedox.

Remember if you ever change your mind at a future time, contact us .

And, also remember that you can perhaps still contribute to XPize 5.0 by developing **add-on packs** (from what I understand, similar to nLite's style) for your Darkside (or more) once the architecture and the program is finalized. Just keep an open mind to the possibilities .

ANNOUNCEMENT:

Project Anolis is up in CodePlex. Check it out at http://www.codeplex.com/anolis .

W3bbo is busy working on things now, but I'm sure that he will be able to work out the code more in the coming weeks.