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Randomness
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hannubys
Nice guide! But it always depend on your use. Some others components recommended for you are safe to remove regarding your personal use.
Anyway it can help some people
Thank
aviv00
my suggestion:

Display Adapters - remove all use newer driver or integrate it
Diva Server - remove it u mostly dont need it

Ethernet Network adapters - leave it its tiny and very useful when its new OS getting inet to work
Modems - remove it use the web to get the lastest driver
Printers - remove it all use the web to get the lastest driver
QLogic Fibre Channel Adapter - remove it u mostly dont need it
Scanners - remove it all use the web to get the lastest driver

Sound Controllers - small driver for hd sound driver keep it if u dont wanna use the "big" driver
Storage Controllers - leave it its dont take much
TV-tuners - remove it all use the web to get the lastest driver


vista will work lessy bugy with newer drivers
lobbie1978
As for the drivers section; If you integrate newer drivers, then it's safe to remove all...
Wurrtrak
Nice guide,but you should add "the other" components who are hidden with the "compatibility list" thumbup.gif

and some components that are safe to remove in you guide need components that arent safe to remove?

Thanks anyway!
bledd
i tick most of the red ones

'IMAPlv2 Burning Support - Keep it, or else you won't be able to burn CDs or DVDs'
huge lie
anonymous_user
For many components you only say keep it but you should give a reason at least. A good reason would be even better.
iceangel89
QUOTE
Simple TCPIP Services - Not installed by default, but it is useful, and the file is only 0,08 MB.
Telnet Client - Do not check.
Telnet Server - Do not check.


Simple TCPIP Services - i removed it and its OK
Telnet - most home users dont use telnet right? i removed it too without problems

thats just my opinion

but this is a great guide. care to do 1 for Services too?
d0p3y2k4
i remove some of the items u listed as red & i never have any problems
Randomness
That is exactly why we need a thread like this. I do not know in detail about all the components. Therefore it says keep it at many places, since I'm too unsure to remove it. So if everyone could try to specify which things they know are safe to remove, then do so. laugh.gif
Avneet
i only remove languages.. lol.. scared to remove others..never knw it can cum in need...
shadin
Keeping this thread going and updated with information would be fantastic. Sometimes it's hard to track down what every component does, or what effects can happen when it's removed.
anonymous_user
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Diva Server - I'm not sure on the function of this one, so do not check unless you know what you're doing.

Ive had no problem removing it.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Ethernet Network adapters - It is a needed driver, although it'll get installed automatically when booting anyway.

Remove it and use the manufacturer's driver.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Modems - You are unlikely to get updated drivers on this one. So keep it to avoid being annoyed by Microsoft Update.

Remove it and use the manufacturer's driver (do people still use dialup?).
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
QLogic Fibre Channel Adapter - Keep it just for stability reasons.

Stability reasons? Hmm Ive removed and my Vista is fine.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Sound Controllers - These drivers can be hard to find sometimes. Leave unchecked.

Remove it and use the manufacturer's driver.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Firewire 1334 - Leave this one unchecked.

If you dont have or use Firewire then just remove it.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Modem Support - Leave this one unchecked.

If you dont have or use a modem then just remove it.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Shell Event Sounds - These are the sounds in Windows, like when you open a window etc.

If you disable sounds then just remove it.
anonymous_user
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Sound Recorder - You can never be sure on that you won't buy a microphone. So better leave this unchecked.

If you dont plan on recording using your mic then just remove it.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Windows Photo Viewer - It is the type of "gallery" that you have by default in Windows. Do not check.

Remove it and just use a third-party photo manager.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
SSDP Discovery - Keep it.
Universal Plug and Play (UPNP) - Definitely keep it!

If you dont use PlugnPlay, just remove it.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Digital Rights Management - Is it even legal to turn this off? tongue.gif Seriously, I'm not sure if it is. Ask Nuhi about it.

If you dont download DRM-protected files, you can remove it.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
IMAPlv2 Burning Support - Keep it, or else you won't be able to burn CDs or DVDs.

Remove it and use a third-party burning software. And afaik, they dont need this component.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Malicious Software Removal Tool - Keep it.

You can just remove it. Windows Update will have the latest version anyways.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Security Center - Keep it.

I consider this component rather useless since Im rather capable of monitoring my security software myself.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Windows Picture and Fax Viewer - Keep it.

Remove it and just use a third-party image viewer like XnView.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
ZIP Folder - And keep it!

Remove it and just use a third-party archive tool.
shabador
Good initiative. I agree with all the follow-up posts here at the moment, and got a couple of extra notes for you:

QUOTE
Speech Support - This got nothing to do with microphone use. It let you controll your PC with your voice. Used by very few.

It is also used for text-to-speech applications. Ventrilo for example uses this to make Microsoft Sally (or whatever her name is) say who connects to the server, changes channels, etc.

QUOTE
Dynamic Volume Manager - Only leave it if you use Windows Back-Up.

Isn't this needed for Dynamic Drives?

As for drivers. If you have downloaded drivers available for integration, you can remove them all.
Hanschke
QUOTE (bledd @ Aug 5 2008, 07:11 PM) *
i tick most of the red ones

'IMAPlv2 Burning Support - Keep it, or else you won't be able to burn CDs or DVDs'
huge lie


thats wrong. if u use nero or cdburner u dont need this crap!
Tomorrow
QUOTE (aviv00 @ Aug 5 2008, 07:58 PM) *
Printers - remove it all use the web to get the lastest driver
Scanners - remove it all use the web to get the lastest driver

I would point out that many Printer/Scanner drivers use parts of the integrated drivers.Canon for example.Removing integrated drivers means that Scanner/printer wont work even with fresh drivers.
IMAPv2 Burning support is needed for a ISO maker app that uses it.
Chrno
QUOTE (Tomorrow @ Aug 8 2008, 02:33 PM) *
IMAPv2 Burning support is needed for a ISO maker app that uses it.

Sounds like a poorly coded and outdated app. Anyways, there's tons of OSS for ISO creating/burning that are coded without using any "native" resources on windows.

QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 06:16 PM) *
Display Adapters - The drivers for your graphics card. You can safely all the options except the brand that your PC uses (Nvidia, ATI etc.).
Remove and integrate your own.

QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 06:16 PM) *
Windows Media Codec - I've found out the hard way how things intend to not work without these. Let it be!
Mainly used for WMV (WMV3/9 and WC-1) decoding. It also supports most MPEG-4 standards such as h264, DivX4+ and XviD. Just get ffdshow to cover all crap you need. It's still needed as noted for wmv streams along with WMP (the firefox addon won't do much without WMP as a side note newwink.gif

Note that this is still needed if you want the thumbnail support for some codecs such as WMV at all. If anyone knows a way to fix this (has an idea on what files are needed for wmv decoding /w thumbnail support) send me a PM.

QUOTE (Tomorrow @ Aug 8 2008, 02:33 PM) *
Media Metadata Handler - Creates thumbnails/previews of your videos. Check if you do not want it.
Again, keep it with Windows Media Codec (70MB~) until someone can figure out those 1-3MB worth or files needed (only*) for WMV thumbnail/playback support as well.

QUOTE (Tomorrow @ Aug 8 2008, 02:33 PM) *
16-bit support - Access to old software. Keep it.
Same call as on XP, your choice.

QUOTE (Tomorrow @ Aug 8 2008, 02:33 PM) *
Crash Dump Support - Keep it.
If you've gotten used to BSODs I suggest you remove it. Most BSODs for normal folks are cause by display drivers anyways...


I also recommend you to try the extreme switch once your familiarized yourself with vLite.
grafx1
@ Randomness How much Memory did your Vlited Vista take, please ??
Thank you...
meowing
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 06:16 PM) *
4# Languages
Uncheck All - Unless you have special needs, like having Chinese and Japanese symbols, then check.
You mean Check all.
FastRedPonyCar
I've got a question. You say to check the UAC control to remove it but I get a message saying that "run legacy CPL" needs that to function and for the legacy CPL item, you say to leave it.

So what's the deal?
michal_banszel
I have the same problem and don't know what to do... can I remove CPL elevated??
lobbie1978
@ Randomness: I find this so called 'Guide' of yours kind of a waste of time in my opinion. Have you even slightly looked up what all of the components and services really do? Most of the tips you give are misleading and dead wrong! Stop writing these guides if you don't know what your talking about. It's a good initiative, I agree, but only if started by someone who really knows all of the components and services including their dependencies inside out...

Sorry to be a little harsh here, but it kinda bugged me sleep.gif
No disrespect whatsoever newwink.gif
michal_banszel
QUOTE (lobbie1978 @ Aug 16 2008, 02:06 PM) *
@ Randomness: I find this so called 'Guide' of yours kind of a waste of time in my opinion. Have you even slightly looked up what all of the components and services really do? Most of the tips you give are misleading and dead wrong! Stop writing these guides if you don't know what your talking about. It's a good initiative, I agree, but only if started by someone who really knows all of the components and services including their dependencies inside out...

Sorry to be a little harsh here, but it kinda bugged me sleep.gif
No disrespect whatsoever newwink.gif


Could you please make some corrections if you think that there were some mistakes? My Vista Image is based in a part on this guid so before the installation I would like to know if I have to correct something, I don't want then my system to be unstable. Thanks newwink.gif
lobbie1978
QUOTE (michal_banszel @ Aug 16 2008, 02:52 PM) *
QUOTE (lobbie1978 @ Aug 16 2008, 02:06 PM) *
@ Randomness: I find this so called 'Guide' of yours kind of a waste of time in my opinion. Have you even slightly looked up what all of the components and services really do? Most of the tips you give are misleading and dead wrong! Stop writing these guides if you don't know what your talking about. It's a good initiative, I agree, but only if started by someone who really knows all of the components and services including their dependencies inside out...

Sorry to be a little harsh here, but it kinda bugged me sleep.gif
No disrespect whatsoever newwink.gif


Could you please make some corrections if you think that there were some mistakes? My Vista Image is based in a part on this guid so before the installation I would like to know if I have to correct something, I don't want then my system to be unstable. Thanks newwink.gif


Well, if you read the reply's on this thread, you'll notice that a lot of users are correcting almost every part of the "Guide" newwink.gif
michal_banszel
I've read all the topic, well it's not so long, just 2 pages newwink.gif and I did some changes but still maybe there is something I did wrong following the guide...
FastRedPonyCar
QUOTE (michal_banszel @ Aug 16 2008, 04:56 AM) *
I have the same problem and don't know what to do... can I remove CPL elevated??


Removing cpl and uac are fine. I've yanked both of them out and the os is functioning fine (so far as I can tell)
Innocent Devil
QUOTE (hannubys @ Aug 5 2008, 10:17 PM) *
Nice guide! But it always depend on your use. Some others components recommended for you are safe to remove regarding your personal use.
Anyway it can help some people
Thank


its better to have guide for WHAT happens if a component is removed than what can or cannot be removed (u can always create a Remove all (all checked) install)
eg: i never use Zip folders then whats the ponit in keeping it? there are so many components like the same..

Better provide a detailed description,dependencies etc for each componet ,update it with user feedbacks
It helps nuhi to less document the app and more on features whistling.gif
Dobby
I work on the basis that if I don't know what it is I must not use it therefore I remove it newwink.gif

I am joking of course but this does work in some cases. If you know what drivers/hardware you need/have then the Drivers and Hardware Support sections should be easy. Basically, do as it says in the info. If you don't have a QLogic Fibre Channel Adapter (whatever that is) then you don't need the driver. If you don't have a firewire port or don't have any firewire devices don't bother with the hardware support (just make sure you have it turned off in the bios otherwise you'll get unknown hardware in you device manager if you have a port but don't use it).

For example I have a TV card but I have a driver. So I can check Drivers->TV Tuners but must not check Hardware Support->TV Tunner support.


As for the rest of the components I'd suggest you do a little more experimentation, maybe try removing lots of components and checking the install in a VM. I guess it's reasonable for a first attempt but I think maybe you should change some of those DO NOT REMOVE components to I DON'T KNOW components and we can get a few more notes in about their use. For example Distributed Link Tracking Client and Protected Storage can be safely removed as most users don't use or even know what these are for. Error Reporting can be safely removed so it should be green. It's irrelevant whether people like MS or not.

Also there seem to be quite a few missing components here. Perhaps we can see an update coming soon? smile.gif Perhaps you could add systems you've tested on and your setup in general with a mention of the hardware and software you use.

Anyway well done on the effort. If you can keep at it this will turn into a valuable resource.

Just remember (as mentioned) everyone has different systems and software. What works for one may not work for another. It's the bane of the software makers existence.
Richard Arkless
can someone provide a list of components vlite can remove because I havent got a full ISO of vista, just one which someone else has done

I might try and make a list of what components can be removed without any trouble
Dobby
That sounds illegal. Tut. Tut.
Richard Arkless
QUOTE (Dobby @ Aug 17 2008, 06:36 PM) *
That sounds illegal. Tut. Tut.


I didnt say I downloaded it lol so will anyone help provide a list
Dobby
What?! You think just because you didn't download it then it's not illegal? Are you for real?!
Richard Arkless
QUOTE (Dobby @ Aug 17 2008, 09:06 PM) *
What?! You think just because you didn't download it then it's not illegal? Are you for real?!


lol I didnt keep it lol I just borrow it so I can reformat my hard drive because it was bloated by what the OEMS put on there
Goldart
1. sound controller driver, it won't affect system like harddisk or motherboard, also vista can find it very quickly through windowsupdate.

2. IMAPlv2 Burning Support, if I use nero, can I safely remove it?
Richard Arkless
QUOTE (Goldart @ Aug 18 2008, 08:04 PM) *
1. sound controller driver, it won't affect system like harddisk or motherboard, also vista can find it very quickly through windowsupdate.

2. IMAPlv2 Burning Support, if I use nero, can I safely remove it?


1. if its a driver thats on the original dvd then it should be on windows update and no it wont effect anything

2. yes you can remove imapi because nero uses third party components, I think only microsoft based burning software uses it e.g. wmp
anonymous_user
@Goldart - yes you can safely remove IMAPI.
aviv00
*ops wrong topic*
RH88User
Hey there, I have a question. I am Vliting my version of Vista Ultimate for my laptop. I won't ever connect to the laptop with remote desktop but i may want to use my laptop to connect to my home desktop computer. So i was wondering if I remove Remote desktop and Assistance what does that do? Does it completly slag remote desktop or will it still let me use remote desktop client to connect to some other computer?

Thx in advance
doomangel
QUOTE (Richard Arkless @ Aug 17 2008, 12:14 PM) *
can someone provide a list of components vlite can remove because I havent got a full ISO of vista, just one which someone else has done

I might try and make a list of what components can be removed without any trouble

QUOTE (Dobby @ Aug 17 2008, 12:36 PM) *
That sounds illegal. Tut. Tut.



i make my version of vista and i distribute it to my friends, they install it with their own serial. what's wrong with you guys? even vlite in its unattended setting installs a trial windows vista serial.

and i have a version of vista and a version of windows server 2008 distributed legally by magazines here in greece. i could turn those trial versions to full by purchasing a serial.
illegal is to distribute a warez version, not a trial.
aviv00
QUOTE (Tomorrow @ Aug 8 2008, 07:33 AM) *
QUOTE (aviv00 @ Aug 5 2008, 07:58 PM) *
Printers - remove it all use the web to get the lastest driver
Scanners - remove it all use the web to get the lastest driver

I would point out that many Printer/Scanner drivers use parts of the integrated drivers.Canon for example.Removing integrated drivers means that Scanner/printer wont work even with fresh drivers.
IMAPv2 Burning support is needed for a ISO maker app that uses it.


i think its better to put those core drivers files in printer support
|2eason
Better guide to services: http://www.blackviper.com/WinVista/servicecfg.htm
sorbon1
Grafx - I followed this layout fairly close and it came out to 5 and a half gigs initial install.

Michal - don't bother removing UAC. Just disable it under tweaks. If "something" were to try to enable them and it were not installed it would be a huge headache.

Lobbie - you are absolutely right. My main concern aside from wrong explinations is that he advocates using freeware in place of some accessories, but not others, and says to use something better than defender "Seriously" without any explaination or suggestions...
Steve30x
Thank you very much for this. this will be very useful. The only thing missing from Vlite now is the ability to add addons like Nlite. I hope it will be added some time soon.
RH88User
A question for you all ... If i use an USB floppy, can i remove floppy support, since i am using USB devices because i am a laptop user?
Richard Arkless
no you would still need floppy support
Randomness
Thanks for all the replies folks. It is true what many say. This guide would be worthless if I did not have any idea of what components to check. However, by having shared your knowledge with me, I can make up for these mistakes by correcting the list. That is what my goal is with this thread.

Now the list has been updated big time. The amount of red items are now half of what it used to be... at least! But as a warning to all those who plan to use this guide, it should not be done without having read the comments for each item.
kateo
#8 system

digital locker - is safe to removed because check this

Digital locker

is a Microsoft platform for the delivery of software electronically that works with Windows Marketplace and is secured by use of Windows Live ID. The digital locker platform is comprised of four major components:

1. Windows Marketplace catalog
2. Multi merchant download cart
3. Digital Locker Assistant (a client side application that facilitates the download of purchased applications)
4. Digital Locker.

For consumers, the digital locker and Windows Marketplace can be used for purchasing and downloading third party software titles compatible with Microsoft Windows, and then using that purchased software on any computer the software license allows.

For software developers, the digital locker and Windows Marketplace can be a cost-effective channel for the distribution of their software titles.

Windows marketplace is only available for residents of the USA.

link - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_locker
anonymous_user
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
TIP: Download the program "DriverMAX" and update all your drivers to the latest, safe version. Then export them into a folder that you've created, which you'll use to later integrate your own drivers into VLite. If you have done this, it is safe to check all the options

TIP: rather than use a third-party program, go to the manufacturers (like NVIDIA, Realtek, Intel etc) site and get the latest driver from there.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
DHCP - Keep it.

You can remove if you use a static IP.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Digital Locker - Keep it.

You can just remove it if you dont use.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Manual Install (Setup.exe)

I *think* this is only needed for installing from (within) Windows. If you just boot from the disc you can remove.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Remote Differential Compression - Keep it.

iirc Removing it improves performance for file transfers.
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 5 2008, 09:16 AM) *
Windows SAT - Keep it.

Unless you really like seeing how Vista rates your computer, you can remove it.
kateo
#6 network

Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) - safe to remove because read this

only if you are home user removed

This package contains the Link Layer Topology Discovery (LLTD) responder. The network map on a computer running Windows Vista shows a graphical view of the computers and devices on your network and how they are connected by using the LLTD protocol. The LLTD responder must be installed on a computer running Windows XP before it can be detected and appear on the network map.




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