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speedemon86
I've been spending some time with family up north, and this system is, to say the least, less than satisfactory. I run a lean 2k installation for my pitiful 700mhz celeron 192mb pc133 i810 system at home. On the slow side? sure, but it works. All the time.

here's the cpu-z report for the system here:
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CPU-Z version 1.46
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Processors Map
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Number of processors 1
Number of threads 1

Processor 0
-- Core 0
-- Thread 0

Processors Information
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Processor 1 (ID = 0)
Number of cores 1 (max 1)
Number of threads 1 (max 1)
Name Intel Celeron
Codename Tualatin
Specification Intel® Celeron™ CPU 1200MHz
Package Socket 370 FC-PGA2 (platform ID = 4h)
CPUID 6.B.1
Extended CPUID 6.B
Brand ID 3
Core Stepping tA1
Technology 0.13 um
Core Speed 1196.0 MHz (12.0 x 99.7 MHz)
Stock frequency 1200 MHz
Instructions sets MMX, SSE
L1 Data cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32-byte line size
L1 Instruction cache 16 KBytes, 4-way set associative, 32-byte line size
L2 cache 256 KBytes, 8-way set associative, 32-byte line size
FID/VID Control no
Features

Chipset
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Northbridge Intel i815/E/EP rev. B
Southbridge Intel 82801BA (ICH2) rev. 11
Memory Type SDRAM
Memory Size 512 MBytes
CAS# 2.0
RAS# to CAS# 2
RAS# Precharge 2
Cycle Time (tRAS) 7
Bank Cycle Time (tRC) 9


Memory SPD
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DIMM #1

General
Memory type SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) Micron Technology (2CFFFFFFFFFFFFFF)
Size 256 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC133 (133 MHz)
Part number 16LSDT3264AG-133E1
Serial number 5B17140E
Manufacturing date Week 40/Year 01

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no
EPP no
XMP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 100 133
CAS# 2.0 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 2 3
RAS# Precharge 2 3
TRAS 5 6


DIMM #2

General
Memory type SDRAM
Manufacturer (ID) Smart Modular (7F94FFFFFFFFFFFF)
Size 256 MBytes
Max bandwidth PC133 (133 MHz)
Part number SM564328574N03RHCH
Serial number D57DC00B
Manufacturing date Week 102/Year 12

Attributes
Number of banks 2
Data width 64 bits
Correction None
Registered no
Buffered no
EPP no
XMP no

Timings table
Frequency (MHz) 100 133
CAS# 2.0 3.0
RAS# to CAS# delay 2 3
RAS# Precharge 2 3
TRAS 5 6


Software
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Windows Version Microsoft Windows XP Home Edition Service Pack 2 (Build 2600)
DirectX Version 9.0c


By all measures this machine should be a fair bit better than the one I have at home. Well, it kind of isn't. There are periods of slowness, and random reboots (most often these happen when I'm interacting with gmail. I tried to trim down the automatic services a bit, turned a couple things off via msconfig, but there's still way too many needless processes running on startup, and the boot time is abysmal. Now I have heard that when done right, you can trim down XP to something very close to 2k standards. Unfortunately there's so much to try and clean up here that I'm a bit overwhelmed, so I am asking for help. Here's the hijack report, I can provide other information upon request (if there's the slightest possibility it will help, ask away!)

Logfile of Trend Micro HijackThis v2.0.2
Scan saved at 5:19:36 PM, on 8/18/2008
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v7.00 (7.00.6000.16705)
Boot mode: Normal

Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXBCES.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXPPS.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\netdde.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\cisvc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dllhost.exe
C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\DefWatch.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\pctspk.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dllhost.exe
C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\Rtvscan.exe
C:\Program Files\Viewpoint\Common\ViewpointService.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\vssvc.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\wbem\wmiapsrv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\dmadmin.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\jusched.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
C:\FirefoxPortable\FirefoxPortable.exe
C:\FirefoxPortable\App\firefox\firefox.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\cidaemon.exe
C:\Program Files\Trend Micro\HijackThis\hijackthis.exe

O2 - BHO: Adobe PDF Reader Link Helper - {06849E9F-C8D7-4D59-B87D-784B7D6BE0B3} - C:\Program Files\Adobe\Acrobat 7.0\ActiveX\AcroIEHelper.dll
O2 - BHO: SSVHelper Class - {761497BB-D6F0-462C-B6EB-D4DAF1D92D43} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\ssv.dll
O2 - BHO: Google Toolbar Helper - {AA58ED58-01DD-4d91-8333-CF10577473F7} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar2.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Google - {2318C2B1-4965-11d4-9B18-009027A5CD4F} - c:\program files\google\googletoolbar2.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [QuickTime Task] "C:\Program Files\QuickTime\qttask.exe" -atboottime
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] "C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\jusched.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [H/PC Connection Agent] "C:\Program Files\Microsoft ActiveSync\wcescomm.exe"
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-21-2243138800-955046455-48432600-501\..\Run: [MSMSGS] "C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe" /background (User 'Guest')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-21-2243138800-955046455-48432600-501\..\Run: [ctfmon.exe] C:\WINDOWS\system32\ctfmon.exe (User 'Guest')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-21-2243138800-955046455-48432600-501\..\Run: [swg] C:\Program Files\Google\GoogleToolbarNotifier\1.2.1128.5462\GoogleToolbarNotifier.exe (User 'Guest')
O4 - HKUS\S-1-5-18\..\Run: [ALUAlert] C:\Program Files\Symantec\LiveUpdate\ALUNotify.exe (User 'SYSTEM')
O4 - HKUS\.DEFAULT\..\Run: [ALUAlert] C:\Program Files\Symantec\LiveUpdate\ALUNotify.exe (User 'Default user')
O9 - Extra button: (no name) - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Sun Java Console - {08B0E5C0-4FCB-11CF-AAA5-00401C608501} - C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.6.0_05\bin\ssv.dll
O9 - Extra button: Research - {92780B25-18CC-41C8-B9BE-3C9C571A8263} - C:\PROGRA~1\MICROS~4\OFFICE11\REFIEBAR.DLL
O16 - DPF: {1F2F4C9E-6F09-47BC-970D-3C54734667FE} (LSSupCtl Class) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/ctrl/LSSupCtl.cab
O16 - DPF: {3451DEDE-631F-421C-8127-FD793AFC6CC8} (ActiveDataInfo Class) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/ctrl/SymAData.cab
O16 - DPF: {44990200-3C9D-426D-81DF-AAB636FA4345} (Symantec SmartIssue) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/ctrl/tgctlsi.cab
O16 - DPF: {44990301-3C9D-426D-81DF-AAB636FA4345} (Symantec Script Runner Class) - http://www.symantec.com/techsupp/asa/ctrl/tgctlsr.cab
O16 - DPF: {D27CDB6E-AE6D-11CF-96B8-444553540000} (Shockwave Flash Object) - http://fpdownload2.macromedia.com/get/shoc...ash/swflash.cab
O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Settings Manager (ccSetMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccSetMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec AntiVirus Definition Watcher (DefWatch) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\DefWatch.exe
O23 - Service: Google Updater Service (gusvc) - Google - C:\Program Files\Google\Common\Google Updater\GoogleUpdaterService.exe
O23 - Service: LexBce Server (LexBceS) - Lexmark International, Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\LEXBCES.EXE
O23 - Service: PCTEL Speaker Phone (Pctspk) - PCtel, Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\pctspk.exe
O23 - Service: SAVRoam (SavRoam) - symantec - C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\SavRoam.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Network Drivers Service (SNDSrvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SNDSrvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec SPBBCSvc (SPBBCSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\SPBBC\SPBBCSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec AntiVirus - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Symantec AntiVirus\Rtvscan.exe
O23 - Service: SymWMI Service (SymWSC) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\Security Center\SymWSC.exe
O23 - Service: Viewpoint Manager Service - Viewpoint Corporation - C:\Program Files\Viewpoint\Common\ViewpointService.exe

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End of file - 5735 bytes

Thanks in advance for any help.
Poolsharkzz
Speedemon86,

Wow - talk about a challange!

From what I see, your "issues" will become a project and a half.

I can help - but it will take time - I normally get paid well for this kind of project (I hope I didn't break any forum rules by mentioning that - sorry if I did)

How familiar are you with your system - the registry - services - and the like?

Yes - you can do a whole bunch of things to your system to gain performance and speed up things alot, chop down your start up time and log off time (mine is less that 2 minutes from cold boot to desktop) and much more.

An upgrade in hardware would be a very good start - who/where did you purchase your system from? I would start with upgrading your Ram if possible.

How old is your system? When is the last time you did a complete reinstall of your operating system?

Up North? Where?
Th3_uN1Qu3
Poolsharkzz, i boot XP in 40 seconds, half of which are the hardware checks... And it's nothing much, it's the dual-PIII rig in my sig. If it took 2 minutes i'd start ripping my hair out.

@ topic:

Norton. No. Nooooooooo!!! This is the main reason why it is so slow. Uninstall it and see the difference. NOD32 is a very good and light antivirus.
maggotspawn
More RAM would help. 1 GB minimum for XP. I'd get rid of all that Symantec garbage. They're resource hogs.
Use a freeware app called: Revo Uninstaller. You should use Revo Uninstaller because if you just use the Windows uninstaller it'll leave a lot of crap in your registry.
There are plenty of good freeware antivirus apps. I use Antivir
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (maggotspawn @ Aug 19 2008, 02:53 AM) *
More RAM would help. 1 GB minimum for XP.


Yeah, and good luck finding double-sided 256MB SDRAM nowadays, i know how hard i've looked till finding 4 of them for my dual-PIII... Oh, and 512MB is the maximum memory size for the i815 chipset, do your research before you post.
Poolsharkzz
Th3_uN1Qu3

Did I say under 2 minutes? Duha!!! It feels that way sometimes. After reading your post, I shut down and timed my start-up from a cold-boot - 42 seconds flat. thumbup.gif

@ topic:

Yes - I agree - uninstall Norton and load up AVG 8.0 - easier on resources.

Uninstall the Google Toolbar - it doesn't help nothing - If you updated to IE 7 you can have Google search right there at your fingertips.

After uninstalling Norton Antivirus and the Google Toolbar go to: http://www.ccleaner.com and download the latest version of CCleaner - After you install, we can go over how to set up the progam and use it safely.

Don't worry about security programs, pop-up blockers and such for the moment - that is coming up down the line - there are a bunch of freeware programs out there that will do sooooooo much better than Norton!

When is the last time you ran Windows Update? You should be at SP3 by now with many additional updates since (some critical) - I would check it out.

Services:

The best resource I know is Black Viper's website: http://www.blackviper.com/

or another resouce that I have had great luck with is The Elder Geeks's website:

http://www.theeldergeek.com/services_guide.htm

There is alot more - but this is great for starters.

Th3_uN1Qu3 - your turn... tongue.gif

poolsharkzz
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 19 2008, 03:10 AM) *
Th3_uN1Qu3 - your turn... tongue.gif


Recommending CCleaner is a great idea, also BlackViper's services configuration guide is the best on the web. But some things he has might not uninstall if he starts tweaking services, so i'll drop a few more hints in.

After you get rid of all the Symantec junk, also uninstall that ViewPoint thing if you don't have AOL as your internet provider (and if you do, please change it tongue.gif). PCTelspk.exe is also safe to remove if you don't use the modem. Get rid of Adobe Reader and install Foxit Reader (same functionality and a heck of a load faster). Then run CCleaner, follow BlackViper's services guide and defrag.

That would be about it.
Poolsharkzz
Yeah, your right about the Ram, he might want to update the CPU and motherboard as well.

Time for a new computer? LOL whistling.gif

With Ram, I have always downloaded and ran a really cool program called: CrucialScan

http://www.crucial.com/

It breaks it all down for you and tells you what you need or what you can upgrade to, etc.

Never was much on researching Ram do to this nifty little tool - try it.

Viewpoint Manager Service - you need to UNINSTALL ASAP - Castle Cops says that it is Adware - Lavasoft Forums agrees - and that's good enough for me! thumbup.gif

Avira is good to - with AVG I was thinking Adware / Spyware as well. Spybot S&D, Ad-Aware, Spyware Terminator, and COMODO Firewall Pro was my final thoughts.

poolsharkzz
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 19 2008, 03:39 AM) *
Viewpoint Manager Service - you need to UNINSTALL ASAP - Castle Cops says that it is Adware - Lavasoft Forums agrees - and that's good enough for me! thumbup.gif


Well, it's needed for using a function of AOL, and AOL is adware in itself, so it doesn't surprise me at all. tongue.gif
maggotspawn
QUOTE (Th3_uN1Qu3 @ Aug 18 2008, 04:56 PM) *
QUOTE (maggotspawn @ Aug 19 2008, 02:53 AM) *
More RAM would help. 1 GB minimum for XP.


Yeah, and good luck finding double-sided 256MB SDRAM nowadays, i know how hard i've looked till finding 4 of them for my dual-PIII... Oh, and 512MB is the maximum memory size for the i815 chipset, do your research before you post.

My bad. Whatever.
Poolsharkzz
I am behind Th3_uN1Qu3 a bit...

Security - with the ones I mentioned, I would also download SpywareBlaster, SafeXP, and the latest free version of Advanced WindowsCare V2 Personal.

For performance I would download the Defraggler, SpeedXP, and review the "Windows Tips 'n' Tweaks" section of this forum.

You can find all the programs I mentioned and much more at Major Geeks:

http://www.majorgeeks.com/

To help with start-up I would find and download DriverHeaven TuneXP 1.5

* There is also a section in CCleaner that will help you with start-up run entries.

Hosts File: http://www.mvps.org/winhelp2002/hosts.htm

HostsMan / HostsServer: http://www.abelhadigital.com/

To help optimize your Internet connection - I would download Speed Guide's TCP Optimizer:

http://www.speedguide.net/downloads.php

Finally, I would spend some time here:

at Axcel216 MDGX website: http://www.mdgx.com/

at Vishal Gupta's webite: http://www.askvg.com

They both has a whole section devoted to XP and all kinds of tips, tricks, and tweaks.

But, we have to start at the beginning - did you uninstall Norton, Google Toolbar, Viewpoint Manager and download CCleaner as yet?

Th3_uN1Qu3 -

What do you think about him running the PC Decrapifier?

http://www.pcdecrapifier.com/

Sorry so slow, I have a few things going on here and I am juggling all of them at one time.

poolsharkzz
Th3_uN1Qu3
A hosts file is enough, if he uses that he won't need SpywareBlaster as it does exactly the same. As of the other ones, never heard about them and i have yet to be hacked, so i doubt they are useful. tongue.gif One thing i don't like about the hosts files is that they block all the free porn... laugh.gif

TCP Optimizer: Have had mixed success with it. If he's on 1mbit+ broadband it won't make much difference.

PC Decrapifier - when i saw that a "Purchase" button exists i closed the page. From what i read till i closed it it looks like CCleaner for money.
Poolsharkzz
Viewpoint Manager Service - is there a way he can get around it?

I do not have AOL - never did - I would suggest running all the security programs I mentioned to clean out any garbage associated with it and then research via google.

Oh, one last thing -

After reviewing the "Windows Tips 'n' Tweaks" section of this forum, you will learn how to help speed up your shut down - if it still lags - especially after installing Comodo Firewall - try downloading the User Profile Hive Cleanup Service:

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details...;displaylang=en

It helps, I assure you!

ctfmon.exe: go to this website and download the removal program:

http://www.askvg.com/ctfmon-remover-remove...e-from-windows/

Java:

You are 2 versions behind - not a real biggy - but you should keep you system as updated as you can for security reasons.

Flash? What version are you at? You should be at the latest version: 9.0.124.0

http://www.adobe.com/

DirectX - Go to Microsft's website and download the latest web installer (August)

Update you Java with the latest version: http://www.java.com/en/

Then go to Control Panel / Java and uncheck the option to auto-update / just remember do it manually once per month or so

The PC Decrapifier is free for personal use - commercial use pays. I used it many times before but only on brand new OEM installs - never on a already installed OS.

Check your Event Viewer via Control Panel / Administrative Tools for Error Codes - then google them if any does show up - to correct problems that may arise.

GMail - Google's e-mail -

Instead of using the Toolbar - which slows down your internet speed and spys on your surfing activities - create a shortcut to the log in page on your desktop.

Okay, that is it - I have no more in my bag of tricks and he has his hand full.

Speedemon86, send us an e-mail after reviewing, I'd like to know how things turned out. I am going to get a slice of pizza and a cold beer!

Free Porn is ALWAYS GOOD! thumbup.gif yes.gif smile.gif woot.gif biggrin.gif tongue.gif

Nice working with you Th3_uN1Qu3 and MaggotSpawn!

poolsharkzz
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 19 2008, 04:41 AM) *
Viewpoint Manager Service - is there a way he can get around it?

I do not have AOL - never did - I would suggest running all the security programs I mentioned to clean out any garbage associated with it and then research via google.


I'm not even sure if he has AOL. If he doesn't, then he has one more reason to remove that ViewPoint service. If he does, then he has one more reason to get a better ISP. biggrin.gif
JedMeister
I agree with above....

More RAM is good - if possilbe. Get rid of Norton, AVG is the lightest free AV from what I've read. CCleaner is very good, unistall all apps you don't need first, then run it and remove all prefetch files, it may slow down your next boot and first load-up of apps, but it will clean out lots of junk and mean your prefetch files are more currently relevant. Spybot S&D is great for checking for, and removing spyware/adware/etc. Black Viper service tweaks are the go for sure! I've found TCP Optimizer is good. Also once you've cleaned up with CCleaner give the drive a good defrag. Often paid-for after market Defraggers do a better job, but standard one works ok.

From what I've read, having too much info in your hosts file can slow down networking significantly (as you PC has to parse hosts file everytime it connects to a network resource). So pruning anything you don't need from there is probably a good idea.

If you are behind a NATed router then I'd give COMODO Firewall a miss (no need for firewall when NATed really, just use Windows firewall if you want to use one, while not as good it is less system intensive than COMODO). If you are exposed to the net directly, then use COMODO, it's a great software firewall and I would advise that over the Windows one.

Autoruns is best IMO for killing startup apps. Info and download here: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinte...s/bb963902.aspx.

If you can be bothered learning all about it, MS's BootViz is apparently handy for optimising bootup speed, download and instructions can be found here: http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/window-on-windows/?p=742. Pretty sure you have to sign up to download though.

Personally I'd go Firefox 3 for web browsing (benchmarks quicker than IE6 for rendering much html, images and esp java). Also get the IE tab add-on for IE only pages. Then remove all links to IE (from Desktop, Start Menu and Quick Start) cause old habits die hard. If you insist on keeping IE, at least install Spyware Blaster as a preventative (probably worth installing anyway).

Good luck!
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (JedMeister @ Aug 19 2008, 04:53 AM) *
I agree with above....

More RAM is good - if possilbe.

Personally I'd go Firefox 3 for web browsing (benchmarks quicker than IE6 for rendering much html, images and esp java). Also get the IE tab add-on for IE only pages. Then remove all links to IE (from Desktop, Start Menu and Quick Start) cause old habits die hard. If you insist on keeping IE, at least install Spyware Blaster as a preventative (probably worth installing anyway).


I love it when people post before they even read the first post in the topic. He can't get any more RAM, and HijackThis shows that he had Firefox open at the time he posted...
JedMeister
QUOTE (Th3_uN1Qu3 @ Aug 19 2008, 12:05 PM) *
I love it when people post before they even read the first post in the topic. He can't get any more RAM, and HijackThis shows that he had Firefox open at the time he posted...
Sorry, my bad on the RAM blushing.gif (obviously its not possible- that's what I get for not taking my time reading...)
I still stand by the Firefox 3 comment though (although in fairness you are right, I should've read better!) HijackThis only shows he's running Firefox Portable (suggesting to me it may not be installed on the local system?) and also it doesn't say which version. Previous to v3 Firefox was a huge RAM hog and was also a bit heavy on CPU (in my opinion) if too many tabs open. I thought it was better to say that, than assume it was update and installed locally, but perhaps I was wrong (stranger things have happened!)
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (JedMeister @ Aug 19 2008, 05:41 AM) *
I still stand by the Firefox 3 comment though. HijackThis only shows he's running Firefox Portable (suggesting to me it may not be installed on the local system?) and also it doesn't say which version. Previous to v3 Firefox was a huge RAM hog and was also a bit heavy on CPU (in my opinion) if too many tabs open.


No, the C drive isn't part of the local system. Never. laugh.gif I agree on the older versions being memory hogs, but as i've been an Opera user for 3 years and counting, i don't have anything else to say. tongue.gif
speedemon86
Let's see if I can get this all in one reply:

Poolshark: I'm familiar with my registry and services at home (good ole 2k!). Here... eh, I can figure it out, at least. Not sure where it was purchased from, I'm told it was bought in 2001. It's a compaq *shrug* (mine is an emachine, and like I said it does all I want, all the time). North is Orlando (home is Palm Beach).

Unique: I have to admit, it's been so long since I've had to deal with the evils of symantec that I had completely overlooked it wacko.gif. I'll switch it to AVG. I use foxit at home and adore it, but adobe reader didn't register very high prioritywise tongue.gif

Yes, this chipset only supports 512 max, but keep in mind that I only run 192MB pc133 sdram on my 2k machine, and for what I use it for I have to try pretty hard to go overboard with that (especially since ff3 came out!). Also, it's not that hard to find old sdram nowadays, but it's almost always horribly overpriced. It's so old that the price has come back up a bit.

I'll look into SP3, and I do recall seeing CCleaner somewhere on this HD (something I use at home, though I rarely need to).

I will be consulting BlackViper's guide in the near future. Many thanks for that.

Symantec/Norton
Google toolbar (I've always found that to be annoying. As mentioned before I was overwhelmed, didn't really have a plan for how to go about doing everything)
PCTelspk
Viewpoint

then DriverHeaven TuneXP 1.5
CCleaner startup entries (I've used spybot's version of this in the past, and it worked great

The internet connection seems fine.

I will investigate autoruns.

I am a complete supporter of ff3 (+ABP and Noscript), awesomebar and all. I'm running ff3 portable just for me, I can't stand IE7.

I've been talking with a very reliable friend of mine, and we may see fit just to backup, reformat and reinstall (which my uncle and I have already discussed), and then I can set up a solid base on a clean slate from there (as I did with my 2k box at home). Either way, things are going to get fixed. I will provide updates as they come in, thanks to everybody for the suggestions and support!
speedemon86
Update: uninstalled most of the things mentioned, and the improvement is wondrous. However, I checked the size of the windows directory, and it's 4.8 gigs O.O ... so yes, I discussed it with my great uncle (the owner, and a member of aforementioned family), and we are going to back up, reformat, and reinstall. Now I just need to find XP SP3 Pro so I don't have to use the original manufacturer's disc (*wink wink*?)

And yes, ff3 portable. They use IE here, and I think I've converted them, but after the reinstall. I just installed portable for myself. I was just overwhelmed with the mess on this system, I'm not an id***! biggrin.gif
JedMeister
@speedemon86 - Nice work mate, sounds like you've fully got the situation under control. thumbup.gif You're right, sometimes a clean reinstall is the best medicine for a messed up system! Often quicker and easier to tweak a clean sys than muck around with a messed up one!

@Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (Th3_uN1Qu3 @ Aug 19 2008, 12:43 PM) *
No, the C drive isn't part of the local system. Never. laugh.gif ....
Probably no need for the sarcasm dude. You were right that I should've read the original and subsequent posts better, isn't that enough? Besides, yes its running off C drive but running Firefox Portable from anywhere (C or any other drive) suggests to me that it's not installed on the local system. Whilst it comes down to a matter of semantics, 'portable' doesn't suggest to me a permanent installation. I believe my comments are somewhat vindicated...
QUOTE (speedemon86 @ Aug 19 2008, 05:19 PM) *
And yes, ff3 portable. They use IE here, and I think I've converted them, but after the reinstall. I just installed portable for myself. I was just overwhelmed with the mess on this system, I'm not an id***! biggrin.gif
submix8c
Uhhh, just find the original I386 install folder, back it up somewhere, download full SP3, then slip it / burn it. More info on how-to on MSFN (search!). Be sure to get the key first and bear in mind re-activate (no biggie since it's been so long).

Probably the reason for such a big Windows folder is due to all the updates (unhide the hidden/system and you'll see them). One folder is wher the stuff gets downlaoded to, multiple folders for backups of previous versions. Clean reinstall will vastly reduce the number of updates with SP3 slipped.

And please don't wink too loudly, OK? Ya wanna stay, right?

Peace!
speedemon86
I'll look into that, thanks! I've already made a phone call or two, and might be able to work things out that way.

In the meantime I've been trying to clean up a bit more in case circumstances change or we run out of time or whatever. Superantispyware has found 5 trojans, and it's still not done scanning D:
Poolsharkzz
Speedemon86,

Great, seems like you have everything in order...

Before I do a clean install, I completely disconnect everything from the case and then open it up. Being that your computer is soooooo old, there is a really good chance that you will find a whole bunch of built-up crap: dust, cat hair, dog hair, dust-bunnies, food crumbs, spider webs, dead flys, (LOL) and the like inside the case -

I usually take it to the garage and GENTLY blow it out with my air-compressor at it's lowest setting - or you can use a household vacum or shop-vac to suck the crap out but be very carefull - try your hardest to make sure you respect your components inside that box - and wear a pair of goggles and painter's mask! LOL newwink.gif

What happens is that when the fan draws in air to keep the CPU cool, it also brings in all that dust and crap, - just about everything that can fit into those little holes on the side of your case - (I found a old postage stamp once inside a client's case).

This builds up over time into a "layer" that becomes like a insulating "blanket" keeping your CPU running at a much hotter temp than it should be - there by slowing down it's performance - I do this with my case once per year - it can't hurt, it takes 15 minutes.

Also, very gently wipe off any build-up from the fan's blades with a soft, damp cloth.

Once you have cleaned it out and correctly replaced the cover back on the case, make sure that you give 3-5 inches of space for proper air flow for them holes that are on the sides of your case as well as for the back for the fan to exhaust properly -

You don't know how many times I have seen people shove their case way in the back against a wall and then have the case pinned up next to a desk, there-by blocking and restricting the air flow! yes.gif

If you can't find XP SP3 Pro - try eBay, Amazon, or Google.

If you are going to put a fresh install of XP SP3 Pro over the OEM version - I would suggest running Eraser 5.86a first - but first research this program!!!!!

http://majorgeeks.com/Eraser_d4221.html

This very powerful program has the ability to completely wipe everything from your hard drive - permanently - forever - starting you off with a fresh, clean slate.

If used incorrectly, it could lead you to a whole mess of problems!

If you have to use the OEM "Restore CD" install - download and use the free version of the PC Decrapifier - it will force uninstall the many "trial-wares" that come with most older OEMs - e-machines PCs are the worst when it comes to crap-ware!

After using the PC Decrapifier, I would then hit first Windows Update (of course).

If you are going to spend any money on that system, I would suggest getting a new keyboard, lazer mouse, and a 19 inch flat panel monitor - your family will thank you in more ways than one! (and, you are now half way towards a new system $$$$$-wise)

I would also research into updating the bios - check HP's website - they should still have some resources there for your system.

Update the drivers for your chipset - check Intel's website, there should be quite a few published updates - look for the Intel Application Accelerator and the Intel Graphics Media Accelerator Driver if available for your system.

Looking over your HijackThis log again, a few things pop out at me:

Quicktime Player - qttask.exe

Use CCleaner to delete the start-up run entry - remove shortcut from the startup folder and then after rebooting go to: C:\Program Files\QuickTime folder and then delete qttask.exe - this program "calls out" at each and every start-up looking for updates - not necessary if you remember to check for updates once in a while.

I would also make sure you have the latest updated version, 7.5 - there were quite a few critical security issues with the older versions.

Uninstall the Apple Software Updater if you have it installed - the updater is now built into the QuickTime Player itself - too many security problems with it.

Use the Control Panel Applet to change the default settings of the auto-update feature (turn it off completely) and to "fix" any file associations that are almost always "misterously" changed by installing Quicktime.

Windows Media Player 11 should be your default player and have most of the music and video files associated with it - check all the others as well.

Adobe PDF Reader - If you are going to uninstall and install Foxit Reader - good move

If not - after updating to the latest version (Adobe Reader 9) you can install the Adobe Reader Speed-Up v 1.36 from:

http://majorgeeks.com/Adobe_Reader_SpeedUp_d4139.html

* It automates the process of speeding up Adobe Reader's launch time by disabling the majority of plugins and features that are completely useless for most users.

Uninstall Adobe Air and whatever else comes with it now-a-days.

Check Lexmark's website or HP's website for any printer driver updates.

For Norton, you may have to download and run the lastest version of the Norton Removal Tool (SymNRT) which you can find here:

http://majorgeeks.com/Norton_Removal_Tool_SymNRT_d4749.html

Make sure it is for your anti-virus version!

If you do not use Messenger - uninstall it - too many security problems.

Shut off and disable the Indexing Service - for performance reasons.

Back up and Recovery:

1.) Always set a Restore Point before making any changes to your computer.

2.) Single Click System Restore Point - download from: http://www.dougknox.com/

* Create a shortcut and place it in your startup folder, and then everytime you boot-up, an "auto-restore point" will be created - each and every time you startup.

3.) Download and install ERUNT and NTREGOPT from:

http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/

ERUNT and NTREGOPT are XP's Registry Backup and Restore & Registry Optimizer.

Please Read: http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/erunt/erunt.txt

* Create a shortcut for ERUNT and place it in your startup folder, and then everytime you boot-up, a backup copy of the registry will be created for that date, one per day.

4.) Download and install the free "Private Edition" of DriveImage XML -

http://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm

Online Tutorial: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTEnKA7tOXM

It's what I use - there are many others out there, need to research.

Finally, if you feel a bit "froggy" and would like to explore in much greater detail the fine art of "Slimming Down" your new install of Win XP - Bold Fortune is "da man" -

http://www.graphixanstuff.com/Forum/index.php?showforum=89

He is the online resident expert when it comes to "Slimming Down Windows XP"

He has a step-by-step guide - please read it very carefully - I just use it for the basics.

Okay - you got it all now - sorry if you are swamped -

Write back when you are completely finish with this project - there are a few more things you can do with the system's settings and there are quite a few registry settings we can dabble into that will increase overall performance.

Then we could get into "eye-candy" - customization and visual styles! LOL woot.gif

Just think: you will have a new computer when this is over with!

Take care and have fun! thumbup.gif

poolsharkzz
Poolsharkzz
Speedemon86,

"Superantispyware has found 5 trojans" - ouch! thumbdown.gif

After it has finished scanning, install and update AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition 8.0.138:

http://free.avg.com/ww.download?prd=afe

Then use Spybot S&D, Ad-Aware, and Spyware Terminator - it will help! thumbup.gif

You can also install Process Explorer to find out what is running and kill off services:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinte...s/bb896653.aspx

poolsharkzz
speedemon86
Ahead of the game in some respects, been using processexplorer before I started and googling my heart away, just finished installing AVG an hour ago, going to start a scan then lounge about in the pool.

No need for eye candy. If you saw my foobar at home... yeah whistling.gif

I'll make sure when we back up all my uncle's data and such that I have all the drivers. I'll take a peek in the tower to see what the junk situation is in there (I watch mine like a hawk at home).

More as it becomes available, I'll definitely check out those links when the time comes (I was so happy when I found the Intel App Accelerator for my i810 set at home!).
Poolsharkzz
Great, enjoy some time by the pool!

Not sure here but if you do not have the ability to burn CDs / DVDs for your backups with this system, I would suggest creating a free Yahoo Account and then just e-mail the photos, docs, pics, and such to that e-mail address - its temporary - after your fresh install, you can just e-mail it back to yourself using Outlook Express or simply download everything back onto the system.

After cleaning up all them nasties - I would shut off System Restore, reboot, and then turn it back on to get rid of any corrupted System Restore Files - the last thing you need is a reinfection.

Cool - Sweet - I have done my good deed for the day, maybe there is a place in heaven for me?

LOL angel.gif

poolsharkzz
Ponch
Well, at some point you need to decide wether you spend days or just hours. I wouldn't spend days for someone else's computer, you'll never get any reward for that, you'll just be called again when anything goes wrong. And I wouldn't slim down someone else's XP, same reasons, even worse, here, it's really your fault if things go wrong.
You also need to decide if you spend hours fixing it or hours reinstalling it. It seems you are pushed both ways here, potentially loads of wasted time. Just my two cents.
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (Ponch @ Aug 19 2008, 11:36 PM) *
Well, at some point you need to decide wether you spend days or just hours. I wouldn't spend days for someone else's computer, you'll never get any reward for that, you'll just be called again when anything goes wrong. And I wouldn't slim down someone else's XP, same reasons, even worse, here, it's really your fault if things go wrong.
You also need to decide if you spend hours fixing it or hours reinstalling it. It seems you are pushed both ways here, potentially loads of wasted time. Just my two cents.


Well, it wasn't me who recommended a full reinstall or slimming down XP... I just told him what should be removed and what he should replace the removed stuff with (if needed). That, and a defrag does the trick in most cases.
Zxian
I hate to say it, but the easiest and quickest way of doing this is to simply backup all the personal files to an external drive (or another computer) and wipe the system clean.

Start with a fresh install of XP. Avast AntiVirus is a small reliable AV program that doesn't require too much in the way of resources. If a software firewall is needed, then Comodo Firewall would be my preference.

As for active anti-spyware programs - don't bother. Educate your family in the way of safe computing practices. That should be the #1 line of defense against malware. If you still want scanning and removal software, LunarSoft Anti-Malware Toolkit is a great tool for getting all those onto your system.

Make sure that the system has a schedule for the XP built-in defragger to run about once a week. You can make this a scheduled task so it's done automatically. Alternatively, buy a copy of Raxco PerfectDisk for $39.99 and use it's built-in scheduler.

Lastly - disable all unnecessary startup programs using AutoRuns For Windows. DO NOT DISABLE SERVICES!!!! There is absolutely no need for this, and more often than not, you'll end up breaking something you might need later.
submix8c
Ref "Cleaning the guts of the PC" - yes, but warning! beware getting crap into the pinhole airhole in the HDD, crap on the CD/DVD lens, and crap in the floppy. Otherwise, yep...

Ref "Sending important stuff to free account" - best bet is Gmail due to larger file size limitation (20mb total per message) and mailbox size. Much larger than any other free account I've found. Check it out; I have RoadRunner, and dang if the limitations are low! Also check the other "free accounts"; also rather low.

Yep, cleaning the bugger is all fine, but a clean install is best (getting all drivers and re-installl software of course). Been 3 years for me and about due...

Peace and a bowl of Cheerios to ya!
speedemon86
I don't see the big deal with disabling services. I disabled a few here. I disabled several when I installed 2k on my home box in June of 07. Not a single problem, so... *shrug*

Well, it's pretty much done at this point. I just need to ensure that automatic system restore point is turned off, replace adobe with foxit, and... ah, immunize with spybot. That's really about it. After getting rid of Norton and nuking the trojans that were found by superantispyware/avg, the system runs fine. It's not perfect, which is what I compulsively aim for (I did it at home, dammit!), but it's feasible. They're happy, so I'm happy. Now for some more sake!

I will, however, ensure that this thread is etched in my gmail account because one of these days I'll build a new machine and install XP on that sucker, heh.
Zxian
Sure, you might be alright with disabling a few here and there, but when it comes to new programs, they might call on that service that you turned from Automatic to Disabled.

Imagine that you "fix" a friend's computer for them by defragging the hard drive, uninstalling Norton, and disabling a few services. Then they go and buy an iPod and start using iTunes. They might run into problems updating their iPod firmware.

There's little to no reason to disable services. Idle services don't use any memory or CPU time, and disabling them can lead to problems.
speedemon86
Well put. I'd strongly advise against itunes on windows anyway whistling.gif

Also: change of plans. It seemed alright, but time and use revealed otherwise. Three random reboots in the past hour or so. They have an IT guy that helps them out from time to time, I'm going to hopefully put my head together with his and get every last bit sorted out before I head home on Friday.

... I wish I was home :\
Ponch
QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 19 2008, 08:40 PM) *
keeping your CPU running at a much hotter temp than it should be - there by slowing down it's performance


Can't hurt to gently clean the fans and cooler, giving the whole system longer life expectancy, but I think PIIIs just shut down when too hot. No "hotter=slower". Just keeping it real.
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (Ponch @ Aug 20 2008, 01:43 PM) *
Can't hurt to gently clean the fans and cooler, giving the whole system longer life expectancy, but I think PIIIs just shut down when too hot. No "hotter=slower". Just keeping it real.


The later PIIIs don't shut down when they overheat, they throttle aka run slower.
darrelljon
It might be unpopular to suggest here, but on a 700mhz celeron 192mb pc133 i810, you'll find Puppy Linux stable, and good against malware. I did however notice you had DirectX 9.0c which might indicate you're using it for gaming.
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (darrelljon @ Aug 20 2008, 03:51 PM) *
It might be unpopular to suggest here, but on a 700mhz celeron 192mb pc133 i810, you'll find Puppy Linux stable, and good against malware. I did however notice you had DirectX 9.0c which might indicate you're using it for gaming.


9.0c is included in XP SP3 if i remember right...
Ponch
QUOTE (Th3_uN1Qu3 @ Aug 20 2008, 03:50 PM) *
9.0c is included in XP SP3 if i remember right...

Included in SP2. Many updates have followed but the name is still 9.0c
As for the throttle it seems that one doesn't and there is not much 'later PIIIs', I searched before posting but I might be wrong newwink.gif .
QUOTE (darrelljon @ Aug 20 2008, 02:51 PM) *
It might be unpopular to suggest here, but on a 700mhz celeron 192mb pc133 i810, you'll find Puppy Linux stable, and good against malware. I did however notice you had DirectX 9.0c which might indicate you're using it for gaming.

What you didn't notice is that the 700MHz was an other PC. angel.gif
speedemon86
QUOTE (Ponch @ Aug 20 2008, 08:22 AM) *
QUOTE (darrelljon @ Aug 20 2008, 02:51 PM) *
It might be unpopular to suggest here, but on a 700mhz celeron 192mb pc133 i810, you'll find Puppy Linux stable, and good against malware. I did however notice you had DirectX 9.0c which might indicate you're using it for gaming.

What you didn't notice is that the 700MHz was an other PC. angel.gif


And that I run 2k on that box, which I am more than happy with! smile.gif
Poolsharkzz
Ladies & Germs,

I agreed with most of your comments until I got to the comments "debunking" the disabling of system services. Some of you folks have a lot to learn...

Ummm, can you explain how it's not possible to reduce your system memory usage and CPU cycles and not gain performance? Computers 101:

Any running process on your system is consuming memory and CPU cycles -- which is that much less available to anything else running on your system at any given time. You want to reduce the overall overhead, no? Running these little leeches 24/7 comes at a price -- you don't get something for nothing in this world.

System Memory and CPU Cycles are at the very heart of this matter - and his Uncle's system is quite weak in both areas - by today's standards - or yester-year's standards - or most standards - and he really cannot do anything about it - and he needed some help.

It seems we have another situation of a few people post before they even read the first post of the topic.

Measures such as "Tweaking" and "Slimming Down" and "Additional Security" and everything else I suggested will put him in a great starting position to either re-install the entire system or try to fix was broken without reinstalling - to reduce the overhead on the overall system, Ram, registry, etc.

Of course disabling services doesn't apply to "essential" Windows services -- that's why they're called ESSENTIAL. But with respect to services that are "covertly" installed by various software packages (usually just to help them launch faster) -- there are few reasons not to eliminate them.

Sure, an individual service running on today's modern, desktop PC leaves a very small footprint, but multiply that by a couple of dozen and you've potentially got a significant performance drain. Just like all the devices in your home that constantly draw low electrical current to run clocks or recharge batteries -- they eventually all add up. Do you like the size of your electric bill these days?

Oh, and by the way, if you read the very first post - his Uncle doesn't have a modern, desktop PC.

You've hit a nerve here, because software that "secretly" installs system services is one of my biggest computing gripes. Do you really want a rogue process by Adobe or Apple to be executing on your CPU 100% of the time when you only use darn Acrobat Reader less than 5% of the time? I don't.

PLEASE tell me that his Uncle's system NEEDS any of the following services:

Wireless Zero Configuration
Wired AutoConfig
Windows Time
Windows Media Player Network Sharing Service
Windows CardSpace
Uninterruptible Power Supply
Themes - If he doesn't use Visual Styles
Terminal Services
SSDP Discovery Service
Smart Card
Security Center - If he installs Comodo
Secondary Logon
Routing and Remote Access
Remote Desktop Help Session Manager
QoS RSVP
Portable Media Serial Number Service
Performance Logs and Alerts
Network DDE DSDM
Network DDE
Network Access Protection Agent
NetMeeting Remote Desktop Sharing
Indexing Service
Human Interface Device Access
Health Key and Certificate Management Service
Fast User Switching Compatibility
Extensible Authentication Protocol Service
Error Reporting Service
DNS Client - Especially if he uses a Host File - then he should use OpenDNS
ClipBook

There are a few others, but they were uninstalled when I cleaned up my Local Area Connections / Network Components: Server, Workstation, WebClient, Remote Registry, RPC Locator Service, Messenger Service, etc.

Feeling a bit silly?

I have a extremely modern, desktop PC and I have less than 15 Micro$oft services running at any given time with no error codes listed in the Event Viewer. Have any of you folks heard of the setting: "Manual"?

Sorry, but you lost all credibility when you tried to "debunk" disabling services...

Ladies and Germs, I've been doing this since the 286, Windows 3.11, "green screens", modems that had to be wheeled in with a dolly, and first-generation dot-matrix printers. This isn't my first rodeo...

It seems in this situation, all that I suggested is exactly what the Doctor ordered.

Funny, some of you still cannot diagnose his Ram correctly!

Rewards? I tell you something about rewards: I have a small but successful business in which I do home computer consulting & repair services for the average Joe - a kinda "poor man's" Geek Squad.

Typically, the kind/type of customer who comes into my shop has problems or issues that are something along these lines:

"Hi, I'm 45+ years old and I purchase this OEM computer 5-7 years ago and it's running like garbage. I cannot afford to purchase a brand-new desktop PC that will run Vista correctly because I would have to take out a second mortgage on my home or sell my children into slavery - can you help me out?"

Sound a bit familiar? If it don't, I would suggest re-reading the first post. If you cannot understand the data listed in the reports of the first post - try learning.

Because we are in the "back to school" time of the year - things around here for the past two weeks have been a bit slow. It will pick up in a few weeks once everyone gets settled down with their classes and they need to write their first report and their computer crashes.

It was either help out Speedemon86 to the best of my ability or close shop early and go home where my olé lady can put me to work doing "something" around the house that "needs to be done"...

"Rewards" are in the eye of the beholder.

"Rewards" are worth "two cents" and "a bowl of -honey-nut- Cheerios"!

poolsharkzz
Th3_uN1Qu3
Poolsharkzz, some of the services you listed are Vista services, and he runs XP. You'll want to fix that.

Agreed on all the rest, and you can have a XP computer with internet functionality AND themes with just 11 processes running. I've done it several times.
Poolsharkzz
I'm running XP Home SP3 fully updated - would you like to see a screen shot of my services page?

Yes, a few of the services listed (3?) are "shared" with Vista, or should "only be" for Vista, but are indeed a part of SP3. These were ported back for XP.

I'm sure you will want to fix that.

poolsharkzz
Mr Snrub
QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 21 2008, 02:32 AM) *
Ummm, can you explain how it's not possible to reduce your system memory usage and CPU cycles and not gain performance? Computers 101:

Any running process on your system is consuming memory and CPU cycles -- which is that much less available to anything else running on your system at any given time. You want to reduce the overall overhead, no? Running these little leeches 24/7 comes at a price -- you don't get something for nothing in this world.

System Memory and CPU Cycles are at the very heart of this matter - and his Uncle's system is quite weak in both areas - by today's standards - or yester-year's standards - or most standards - and he really cannot do anything about it - and he needed some help.
I would agree that threads that are in the RUNNING or READY TO RUN states would be consuming and queued to consume CPU cycles respectively, but a process in the "Running" state does not mean it is consuming CPU time.

A process can be seen as a "container" for threads, which actually execute on processors.
A thread in the WAIT state will not be scheduled for execution - it is an indication that it is waiting for something else to occur before its state is changed and it is poked to continue execution.

So unused, passive processes (such as a lot of services) don't waste CPU cycles.

As for memory consumed, Windows is a virtual memory-based OS and if a process consumes physical RAM and does not use it then over time it will be paged to disk (to the page file) and have a tiny footprint (working set).

Checking the CPU usage and working sets of processes shortly after a boot is not a good way to measure them.

By all means disable services that you know you do not need (WZC on systems with no wireless or 802.1x requirements), but be wary of disabling anything & everything - you don't necessarily know what the system itself, or future products you come to install, require.
JedMeister
I've found that having many unused services set to manual (or if definitely not required - disabled) generally increases boot times. Sometimes dramatically, especially with older machines.

I must admit though I have had minor issues with some services set to manual, but not starting when required (sorry don't recall which off the top of my head). If its your own system all well and good, but with someone else's, unless they understand what you've done and how to undo it if required, I believe its best to er on the side of caution. Still, Blackviper's guide is pretty foolproof from my experience.
Th3_uN1Qu3
QUOTE (Poolsharkzz @ Aug 21 2008, 04:00 AM) *
Yes, a few of the services listed (3?) are "shared" with Vista, or should "only be" for Vista, but are indeed a part of SP3. These were ported back for XP.

I'm sure you will want to fix that.

poolsharkzz


Well, my bad then. I didn't update to SP3 and have no intention of doing so.
maggotspawn
QUOTE (darrelljon @ Aug 20 2008, 04:51 AM) *
It might be unpopular to suggest here, but on a 700mhz celeron 192mb pc133 i810, you'll find Puppy Linux stable, and good against malware. I did however notice you had DirectX 9.0c which might indicate you're using it for gaming.

X2 I'm testing Puppy Linux out now. Worth the 80MB download, and you can run it from CD to check it out.
GrofLuigi
QUOTE (JedMeister @ Aug 21 2008, 10:41 AM) *
I've found that having many unused services set to manual (or if definitely not required - disabled) generally increases boot times. Sometimes dramatically, especially with older machines.

Sometimes. What I do is - tweak them initially according to my ideas, then reboot a couple times (when installing programs etc.) and see if some of the services set to manual have started. Then, either make them automatic or disable them (if undesired). But yeah, generally, most of them are set to manual in the end.

It's true that some of them can't start for themselves, but that's their problem. tongue.gif

GL
Jeremy
I used to be an nLite fanatic.
Given today's HDD and memory capacities and well-coded freeware / open-source software, I don't feel the "need" to be so picky.
Don't get me wrong, I have a lot of disabled Services, but that is because I have been doing this for several years so I know what I can disable and set to manual.
I am starting to play with Ubuntu 8.04 and Fedora 9. I'm quite impressed so far.
I am moving to freeware / open-source software as much as possible. I replaced Nero with ImgBurn. I can still burn DVDs that playback in my DVD Player exactly the same as Nero did.

My point is that, with good software and affordable 500GB drives and 2/4GB of RAM... I can let XP take all the memory it wants until I finally start playing COD and Steam games on Linux using Wine and/or Cedega.


Cheers,
Jeremy
Zxian
@PoolSharkzz - I have to disagree. Usually, you can be safe by disabling those services, but like I said before - what happens later? What if his aunt (I'm assuming he has an aunt there) wants her own account, and both people want to use the computer. You'd just disabled the Fast User Switching service.

Most people I do "computer cleanup" for are techno-clods (let's be honest here), and if I were to start telling them "Start->Control Panel->Administrative Tools->Services", they'd get scared and say it was too complicated - not even kidding here. Like Mr. Snurb said, the processes might be up and running, but chances are they're sitting there doing nothing, and chewing up zero resources.


Also - NEVER disable the DNS client service. I can guarantee you that your internet speeds will be slower without it since all your DNS requests are always sent back to the DNS server instead of simply being looked up in memory. Honestly - if you can't afford 2-3MB of RAM for the DNS client service, your computer shouldn't be running XP anyways.




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