first off i luv 98se and with the sp2 and killer replacement its pretty fast and stable .hats off to gapes and mgdx great job.But with more and more apps reliling on nt base will appz 4 98se be phazed out soon or will a all windows format continue 4 a few more years?.plz comment on your views .as far as 98se goes i install it often on friends newbies pcs because its simple quick and easy 2 tweak.even when i offer them xp home with activation crack they opt 4 98se go figure. u tell me?

Um...

(hey smokeyjoint ya mights wants ta edit your post before you ummmm "get moderated" I just got finished reading a thread that heavily was.)

Yeah I have to install 98 often ... on the same PC (over and over) with the restore disc or use whatever their code is from their OEM sticker. Too bad MS' Antispyware won't run on 98, it's the OS that REALLY needs it!!! Well the real time component anyway.

I see more software (including games) requiring Win 2000/XP @ a minimum....

I too like 98 (Well FAT32) since I can access it without a GUI. However I wouldn't sacrifice XP's stability for it. NTFS all the way. But it's simply not worth my time resintalling it. I will rarely reinstall 98. Either they (my clients) get XP or it's not worth my time and their money. At that point it is a "hobby computer" still worth it if you don't have to pay someone else to work on it. Sure drop some ram in. Make 98 go faster (if you can do it yourself).

XP is relatively easy to tweak. If you know how to double click on a text file with a .reg extension. A text file forged with notepad or other text editor. Yeah ok you don't need to hex edit some dll file to allow 98 to play nice with your custom theme.

98 will be around for quite a while since even the $500 or so for bargian computers might be out of someone's range to upgrade and some even run Win 3.1 or DOS (dosshell).

But I'd say that as far as mainstream, it will be become very difficult to find any new software supporting non 2k or up OSs (as far as windows goes). Just like the DVD blank media section has grown (larger) than the blank CD section at the computer store. Floppies are still there (barely). Same thing goes with the OS.

But if it still does what you need/want at a speed you can tollerate.... "it ain't obsolete!"

Windows XP does not have to be installed on NTFS. You can install it on a FAT32 partition.

giant antispyware works on 98 wheras ms antispyware does not
xp can indeed be installed under fat32 but officialy to a max of 32GB,there is a way around that 32GB limit
windows 98 will be around for many more years to come because of many reasons
some software like office 2003 don't work under 98 wheras office xp(2002)will work with 98 but in like 5 years from now, no new software will work for 98 unless companies still support 98.

realizing new software wont support 98se is kinda scarey if u enjoy 98se and if the messengers ,yahoo msn etc go that route itll be sad but time marches on and one day well be forced 2 use xp longhorn whatever piece of crap ms shove down our thoart but 4 now 98se is still doin the job the average job needs so lets party on dudes.

hail 98se

... the main reason for dropping WIN98 SE support is a political one.... MS want to bring the customers to go to XP ...

See also Doom 3 ... out of the box it won't run on Win98 but with only few byte fixed it runs nice....

perhaps... a feature like masquerading win98 as XP or 2000 is possible?

hail 98se u known u love it.

eh, AVOID using any XP activation cracks/keygens! Many of them don't work
with the XP home edition I have. Stick to using legit versions of XP. Best to
get Windows XP with a brand new desktop or laptop computer. More expensive
but you won't encounter upgrade hassles with xp when installing it on an older
computer. Certain updates and addons will refuse to install or impair pirated copies
of xp [wmp 10 is one of them].

All versions of Win98 [including WinME] will last beyond MS's extended support
date of june 30, 2006. Windows ME is technically 'Windows 98 Third Edition'.
Win98se & WinME include full WDM [Windows Driver Model] support; Win98fe
(1st edition) does not. Love Win98 SE AND WinME; they rock!

Doom 3 requires at least a Pentium 4 machine, 1.5 Ghz CPU with at least 384 megabytes of RAM.
Can't run it on PCs slower than 1.5 ghz processor. Look at all the minimum
requirements for Doom 3 either on its product box or check its web site.

are you sure wmp 10 does that?from what i've seen it hasen't

Please see this site:
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=19601

and you can't install xp sp2 on pirated copies of XP.

I will say it again to just use LEGIT editions of Windows XP. Microsoft will soon require Windows users to 'validate' their copies of Windows sometime in mid-2005
before downloading any new updates & new addons from the Microsoft download
center. if MS download center detects a bad or bootleg copy of windows, it will
refuse to offer users to download updates. more on this here:
http://bink.nu/Article3345.bink

And Microsoft is not, I repeat, NOT the only one that has product activation on some
of their new products.
Even some of Macromedia's software uses 'activation' similar to MS. noted here:
http://www.macromedia.com/software/activation/
but at least Macromedia's Flash Player & Shockwave Player are free and don't
require activation.

Even the ReGet download manager tool uses its own activation feature to verify
users that they're using an authorized copy of their download manager. The
Deluxe edition of ReGet mentions about product activation here:
http://deluxe.reget.com/en/reg_info_faq.htm

Anyways my brother got a laptop pre-installed with winxp home edition [oem]
sp1 back in late 2003, then update it to sp2.

stick to using win98se, 2000 or me if using older machines as they use less resources than winxp.

First off,
NO I DON”T USE OR OWN ANY PIRATED SOFTWARE - AND I DON”T SUPPORT IT!!! DON”T ASK ME FOR ANY LINKS PLEASE.

However: Since I have a legit copy of Windows XP, as being part of the Microsoft MSDN Members area… I have the right to Crack my own Software and Tweak with it as I please as long as I don’t Distribute it… Or so I think

Ever hear of Microsoft Windows XP Pro (Corp) Build 2600 v5.1????? (Other Versions work too!)

I assume that you haven't because than you wouldn't be saying what you said... Using the right tools can make a big difference!

Using the "THE BLUE LIST QUALiTY", (XP KeY ReCoVeRER AND DiSCOVErER 5.12) this is no problem... other utility’s like "Win XP De-Activator v1.06" can also be useful, "RockXP v3.0". All are free and can be found via Google.

How do I know about this? Because I tried it... Wanted to know how Secure Microsoft’s WPA was, since they wouldn't shut up about it, (Read Document), as a user I needed to know and checking to see how it works.
As far as Windows Loosing Functionally, They are talking more about Critical Updates and add-ons... (For the moment)

However, Microsoft has started to 'Check' into Validating XP CD Keys, (Using the Net), and other Serials via a BIG Serial Data Base, also by downloading and installing Updates/Software; example, SP2 - it checks for the most common Pirated Serials, but it doesn't know all of them... (Microsoft did this on purpose hoping that it would help prevent the So many Virus and trojans Break-outs lately making them more secure.)
Thus because of this you will need to Validate your Product Key or simply buy Windows XP. But this is not necessary at the moment... as long as WPA is still working, and if Microsoft is unable to determine that you have a Pirated copy... then how would they know??....

I have included the whole report in a *.zip file. Read for yourself…


Sorry for making the Main Topic More Off Topic..

erpdude8 you are 100% incorrect about service pack 2
it can be installed under xp by slipstreaming it and windows media player 10 can be installed under windows xp sp1 &sp2
stick to 98 or 2000 if you don't want xp's activation
the corp editions don't need activation.

thanks for the correction, soldier1st. you can install WMP 10 even under the
original release of XP.

sorry, Blam-O! 'XP KeY ReCoVeRER AND DiSCOVErER 5.12' doesn't work for XP home ed. you can't turn 'xp home' into xp corporate with that. tried that and doesn't work at all. xp professional ok with that tool but not for xp home edition.
Tested that tool on another pc as a 'test machine' with xp home and it failed.
Anyway I also use XP Home Edition on only ONE PC which is my bro's custom-designed PC.
The other PCs I have aren't quite powerful enough to handle XP. My HP computer
came with pre-installed WinME and ME runs good. The PC I used as a 'test machine' I put Win98se on there after removing XP because it was too slow.

i think you can install wmp 10 under windows server 2003. ask mdgx about that.
MS will include a 'bug fixed' and updated version of WMP 10 in Win2003 SP1 and
maybe WinXP SP3. i don't need wmp10 because i don't use devices that
specifically use the features of wmp10. So I'll stick with WMP9.

As I said before, Win98 & ME will last beyond its extended support date. If you
properly maintain your PCs using Win98/ME by running Scandisk and Defrag
periodically and cleaning the inside of your PC by blowing away the dust & dirt
that build up inside your PCs when using them for a long time, your PCs will last
for a very long time.

I can see giving up our present systems-- because they just won't cope, in about 2-3 years-- by then the next upgrade of initial Pci Express is in use along with addressable memory in beaucoup gigabytes(say in the teens as a median to high amount in use), next generations of 64bit chips, broadband as high as 25-50mb w/ under 10 considered subpar....

OK - Sorry, my fault. Let me clarify that a little more...

The 'XP KeY ReCoVeRER AND DiSCOVErER 5.12' will find you a Working Product Key – for that Computer; sometimes that same CD Key will also work on other Machines). I never said that it would Upgrade the Home Edition to the Pro Corp Edition, or even the Corp Edition. But what I’m saying is that the Key maker will find you a non-valid, But Working Product Key. You can however Copy over the file, “wpa.dbl”, found in the “X:\WINDOWS\system32” dir. As long as it was successfully Activated/Installed…

Even the Corp Edition has a wpa.dbl file, but never has to be activated. By copying the WPA file after you Activate Windows, you will never have to Activate it again! As long as it is the SAME Identical Machine, since the WPA keeps track of the Serial Numbers – and the file is encrypted:)

Now I read somewhere where you can download a “Crack” that will allow a non Corp version of windows to be Cracked/Upgraded to a Corp version. I do not see this as a real Crack, for all it must do is kill the Activation Nag. A Corp Edition has other pieces that a simple Crack could not imitate. But simply that all I was saying is that you can generate a Key to install Windows on, and bypass the Activation part if needed. Using this method will allow you to update Windows with Microsoft updates and software; SP2, WMP 10…

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Now back to Topic. Yes I still love Windows 98SE for many reasons: here are some…

* Will work on a crapy Computer; 64MB of Ram, Pentium 1 233MHZ, 1GB of hard drive will fit Windows and Programs:)

* Some games play faster…

* Almost anything is compatible with Win 98SE…

* There is lots of Critical Updates to help protect your computer while online…

* No Activation!

* Everyone is familiar with Win 98SE… Makes it easier for people to use…

* Almost any OS can read a FAT32 Hard Drive…


Here are some things I hate about Win 98E…

* Microsoft no longer supports it…

* Almost No one sells Windows 98SE anymore…

* Windows 98SE is really old…

* There is too many **** Updates to install…

* Everyone is familiar with it… Makes it easier for hackers…

* Windows 98SE is not very stable when compared to a NTFS platform…

* Not all programs will work with it… Or you loose some functionally of a Said Program…

* Windows 98SE has More BSOD’s then 25 IT Professional Computer Technicians could handle in a day…

* Windows 98SE is somewhat annoying…

* In order to use large Hard Drives or lots of Memory you need to Tweak it…

* Windows 98SE has hardly any features when compared to today’s…

* Win 98SE requires too much Maintenance...

* Very little Driver Support...

* FAT32 is more prone to failure… No security…

I’m done…

Look. Blam-O! DIFFERENT Editions of Windows XP uses DIFFERENT algorithms
to determine which cdkeys are valid and which are not valid. Examples: cd-keys from a Pro edition of WinXP are NOT valid for home edition of XP and corp cd-keys are NOT valid for XP home. Also, cd-keys from 'retail' boxed editions of xp are also invalid for OEM pre-installed xp editions. It was that way with Win98, 2000 & Millennium. Get over it. Your recent comments didn't work for me and didn't work for some users. Even if ''XP KeY ReCoVeRER AND DiSCOVErER' did find a 'valid' key for XP home or XP pro it still didn't get rid of activation on those editions of xp.
Did several tests with them and still failed.

I'm not going to go any further on xp activation. I AM THROUGH! Any further or future comments on xp activation will be just be taking up space on this forum page.

Back to the lifecycle of 98se--

partial quote from Blam-O:
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Here are some things I hate about Win 98E…

* Microsoft no longer supports it…

* Windows 98SE is somewhat annoying…

* Very little Driver Support...

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WRONG! MS still supports Win98se 'til June 30, 2006. You obviously didn't read some online articles that MS extended support for Win98 & ME or perhaps MS didn't make it known to you, Blam-O, that MS announced an extension. See this Microsoft support page:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifean1
Even though MS is now only making few & newer security patches for W98/ME they're STILL supporting them. Very little driver support you say? WRONG AGAIN in terms of supporting more older devices. If you said little driver support for 'newer' devices you might be right. W98SE Annoying? YEAH RIGHT!

tim_horton, soldier1st, does Win98se seem annoying to you guys? I don't. I find ways to make Win98se work close to the way I want it and I encounter less 'blue screen' errors. Maybe it's because I do a good job keeping my old Win98se machine in tip-top shape.

We should be glad Microsoft did the right thing in extending support of Win98, 98se and WinME. It would have been a 'kick in the stomach' if MS did end support on 1-16-04 and not tell many Win98 users worldwide that Win98 support was ending.
Read this MS support page on why MS extended support for Win98 & ME:
http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifewinextndfaq

erpdude8, Dude you serisly need to chill out!

I never said that it would activate ANY version of windows... and 'XP KeY ReCoVeRER AND DiSCOVErER 5.12' it DOES work, you don't know how to use it, or don't have the real version. There are also other tools needed if you want to activate windows - as I said, (Next time read the whole post). If theses tricks didn't work, than why does everyone use it??? LOL...


My fault on Microsoft, They still support it, I forgot they had extended it.

And to clarify on little driver support still stands true if using newer hardware.

I wasn't trying to argue with you, just wanted to point something out - share Knowledge, not fight about it.

Peace out erpdude8 and best wishes.

easy big fella .all can always get drivers somewhere on the net and the sp2b3 and mgdx 98setome etc etc are a good start.its a given the older the os the harder the search 4 drivers there out there driversguide.com a good place 2 start or inquire in forum proper catorogy plz.hey hail 98se its still fun tweaking this puppy its a grat tool in learning batch and inf codes etc ived learn o much disecting 98se that when im sure what im doing ill try tweaking xp. i run a dual boot xpprosp2/98se but most time im on 98se cause i generally surf and try out the stuff u guys make for 98se i thank all the contributers u know who u are and if i mess up 98se only takes 15 mins to reinstall anyway. my only wish is to get a batch file like batch 98 with the inf adding explorer 6 dx 9 for unttented 98se cd.keep on talking its all good..

Thank God for that! One more good reason towards Windows98SE.

Although; if using 1GB of Dual Channel mem, 10,000 RPM SATA Hard Disk, and a flying Fast Processor with a fully Supproted MB - you can install XP in less than 12 min.

and atm you can only install win 98 with max of 512 ram then put your other 1 GB memory,when slipstreaming becomes possible then 98 can be installed with 1 GB.

if u need more than 512 ram than why run 98 .if u got a boat load of ram best save it for xp your need it there. granted u may require alot to play games etc.but i suspect the average 98se user just surfs check email general things.time 4 coffee.l8ter

with the work being done by mdgx gapes tinthu miko etc a 9x like the world as never seen is about to hit msnf ,looks good .so lets hold on for another 7years ..

I figure this'll tide us over until about 2 years into Longhorn release.......

I would assume there not gonna totoally cute the life line not official yet anyways there are also always the non coporate programmers who can make or mod programs to work wioth 98se

lol i hate my keyboard it should be cut not cute

IthinkIneedanewkeyboard!spacebardoesn'twork



Lets hope that Micro$oft can deliver codename Longhorn without any more delays... ROFL, LOL!!

some ppl can't afford to goto xp or even longhorn when it's released or even upgrade there hardware for it
for that reason 98 will be around longer than me or possibly longer than 2000
it might be 2nd to xp in terns of usage/etc...

amen to that,
i just checked dabs (one of the best online suppliers in uk)
and XP Home Edition with SP2 is £164.50
(thats about $383 canadian or $305 US)
i don't have a lot of money
my 98SE OEM cost me £60 with a £5 mouse
all other software is free
(except the few games i've bought or been given)

98SE will do me for a while yet...

i'll skip 32 bit and go straight to 64
when intel and microsoft produce the right products
this way i can save up and go straight to PCI-E etc

Go to a Fry's Electronics, or a Small Computer Owned Store, they always have OEM versions available for $89.99-Home, and 149.99-Pro.
and you need to also

or anything that is considered an internal computer accessory - I think mouse pads and a few others also qualify, just depends who you are buying from:)

hey i like 98se i like xp as well just wondering why people who switch to xp bash 98se .sure its not up to par but it works and the reason i heard from 98 users is the cost so they stay and nobody but power users want to lose their data from years of surfing migrating 2 xp .i guess a dualboot part of the answer but if i was running longhorn i still would say 98se aint all that bad

Who's bashing? I like both as well, and both have Pros and Cons. It is up to the user & what they use it for that makes up for the difference... IMHO

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WARNING: The following Opinion may be contagious.

If you put aside the cost of Windows XP, the Hardware that is recommended for it, and many other cost, you can convert/transfer your existing Files/data over to the new OS install. Of course you will need to Re-install EVERYTHING all over again, update your drivers, update most programs, Games will also need to be re-installed/patched, OS updated, OS tune-up, OS re-configured, etc... That’s only 1-2 hours for most people. Other People may take 1-3+ days - Depending on many factors of course; Speed of computer/user, Experience, Internet Connection, Number of updates, Number of Programs/Games, Number of User Accounts, # of computers to install on, many others etc...

Really that’s the easy part.

The hard part really is when an '8 year' Windows 98 only User has only seen/used Win 95/98/ME, and then has to (re-)learn how to use Windows (XP) all over again! And make everything work together... (Compatibly Issues)

laladaddo... hhmmmm.... (Twirling thumbs)

NOTE: The above comments are not my fault, I was born stupid.
Is this thing on? Wheres the Edit fuction...

tis true blamo

hail 98se it keeps on ticking..

hail to windows 98
people lets keep it going as long as possible.

OK Guys.. Calm Down I see everyones getting crazy about this product activation...

put plain and simple...

WinXp Pro Sp1, Sp1a, Sp2, needs no activation... if its corp.. the serial key activates it...

As Far as Home Xp? well there is an activation Crack.. and a serial Key that works...

I install home edition on computers all the time.. it runs flawless...
even with sp2....


Now as Far as Our Good Ole Friend Windows 98Se?

well why don't we just en all this stuff and someone go to microsoft, and immediatly after installing 98se..
Download all the Security Patches and Updates for the operating system along with the bundled IE browser updates... I mean I talking get the entire updates... let it scan... see what it needs, and is avaiable.. let t download... you know it goes into a windows update folder on C:?
why not Zip it up.. someone get some server space and put this thing up for download..? its a good idea.. that way everyone can stop the hassle of the support issue for 98...

no its ture they arent creating anymore updates, but they are supporting it until 2006? why not get the whole update bundle and put it up? everything else has a link to it here.. and since some peopel arent sure how to do it.. and don't feel like doing it.. why not put it in a huge Pack somewhere for download? its easy.. think about it guys...

yeah i know.. I had to run my mouth.. but.. ehhh.. don't we ALL!


Later Guys!

Cybri

some ppl don't like to do it your way then some do it your way,sides bud sum ppl can't afford a hardware upgrade just for xp
98 runs on crap hardware,xp not really
or sum ppl just like 98,others like xp
i personaly use xp sp1 corp as sp2 has caused a few problems(i won't upgrade to sp2 as sp1 does what i need to sides it don't mess up)

agreed