Warning for opera users:
Going to that page crashes the browser. :/





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1 more reason, move to firefox today! lol

Well, I don't oppose firefox. Anything is better than IE.
But I don't like its slowness. Plus, I don't need to go to a deliberate-badly made page for firefox to crash - it will crash just by itself if you use it for long enough.
(yes, I mean it - firefox is too much of a kid to handle the load I put it through - approx 300 tabs opened and closed every ten minutes. Firefox simply keeps having a memory leak and eventually crashes, whereas opera keeps going with just 4 MB of mem usage)

i'd like to oppose to that! i'm using opera nothing crashed!
probably your quicktime plugin didn't work properly and that caused a crash.. nothing wrong with opera!!

http://www.opera.com/support/service/plugins/

http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=141 quicktime plugin

http://www.opera.com/support/search/supsearch.dml?index=434 media player plugin
opera is good, its better than firefox! yea might be loading the page a little slower than firefox but what else? opera is better!!

XtremeMaC, you are mis-understanding what I said...
I am an opera user too, and I was saying opera loads pages faster and handles itself better than firefox.
Happy?

And I'm happy too because you said opera did not crash on that web-page for you. Maybe the reason it crashed for me is that I'm on the Opera8beta2.


Anyways, why are we making statements between firefox and opera, both of these are supposed to be allies. The real "enemy" is IE.

Hey guys IE is not bad (if you open max approx 7 windows at a time) more than that and its a pain.

RU using a beta? That's the only reason I could think it could crash on that page. I use Opera almost all the time [when not using FF ] and so far it has never crashed on me.

hey i'm on opera 8 beta 1 as well, no crashes.. lemme get beta 2 and test, i highly doubt it though!

1. I think she's hot. *GAG DOLL* LOL ^_^ I don't say a girl is ugly just because I think she's snobby and untalented. That's just retarded. Anna Nichole Smith however is sickening.
2. IE IS BAD/EVIL/DEMONIC!!!
3. Firefox is good. Opera is good. IE is BAD.
Too many threads out there proving IE inferiority and things in both FireFox and Opera that people like more than others...so its pretty fair to make blunt statements at this point. If you don't use IE, then you're ooookaaayyy....

Cheers,
Jeremy

Lol... why would anyone in the right mind have 300 tabs open at once. You are bound to have a program crash. 4mb of mem with 300 tabs open.. not sure where you get that

Opera does the same thing I have used it as well and it is not as flexible as IE or Firefox and ALOT of pages do not load correctly using Opera. Opera uses the same amount of memory as Firefox, yet has very unnessary additons to it. Opera is more for the adictive Advertising/Integrated tools connoisseur.

Either way each user has there own preference.

ahemm.....
dear "right mind" I also used the words "every ten minutes" there. With opera you can say that you want only XX MB of mem used and no more - useful even when you have half a gig of RAM.

Firefox is nowhere close to opera's quality. It has lot of annoying fanboys though. The fanboys show their dedication by rabid talk about it all the time, the supporters show theirs by paying for their copy (and so no ads). Opera happens to be the best there is - and I'd hazard a guess that I know what I'm talking about. Anyways, opera and firefox are not supposed to fight among themselves, gang up against the devil (IE), lol.


And its been more than a week since this off-topic discussion was seen - now back on topic pls - paris hilton was what this was about.

Opera 8 Beta...... no crash baby....... It did crash once when i opened it with 10 IE windows already going......

I did catch Quicktime default sound out as windows wave, instead of sound codec..

btw i do not seem to be able to test all browsers like before:
besides IE, my isp installed Netscape 6.2, which i updated to 7.1. But after i added Firefox, netscape will not start.
Got Opera going too.
Maxthon i like, but if it's the same IE engine, then i don't see the point.

Agreed. Everything to do with the media. The Media today indulges to twist what 'was' called the 'truth'.



I have to agree with the fanboys, but most of them are 12-20 yoa, with the intelligence of a rock. However, you can scoff all you want regarding Firefox & IE. IE and Firefox do not have a problem between the 3 applications (Windows, IE & Firefox) they work conjointly unlike Opera. Opera has a fit (i.e. like a rich prude does) and crashes if the slightest issue happens, memory allocation, hogging resources to keep other's like IE from running. For the registered version of Opera, I have several licenses for it, it's still an advertising conesour's browser, meaning it is bundled with uneccesary bookmarks, you can delete them and repackage the msi but defeats the point of a registered version of the application. Opera is no where near the so called Best, but you have the right to your opinion and I will not challenge that.

I am not doubting your intelligence, I and many others have that field covered plus++ the experience applied. Opera has failed countless 'stress' & 'security' tests where-as IE & Firefox have been deployed within many large scale corporate environments. If applied 'correctly' IE and Firefox have the tightest securty you can acheive... one reason us corporate 'noobs' like to use gpedit.msc & secpol.msc /s & raw registry entries, which we somehow manage to (mysteriously, mind you) add security and stability to the environment. But in the interim Opera decides not to follow RFC's, I will not give them any credit.

Advertising, not the least bit stays out here. It takes exactly 1 minute to download a fully customized setup from the customers area. No MSI re-package here. And beyond this customized setup is the fact that its the most unattend friendly 3rd party browser that exists. Bought several licenses you say? Hmm.... why is it sounding doubtful...
Right on the machine where I'm typing this from, opera (the app) hasn't been needed to exit since 5 days!
Hogs resources? Pardon me... let me check my task manager. BACK - 41 tabs open, 9 MB total mem usage, 0.5% CPU usage - by singular process "Opera.exe".
Stress and security tests, there cannot possibly be a person who puts his browser through more stress and security risks than me (yeah, probably everybody thinks the same of himself ). Have you checked out kiosk mode?
Opera (here and everywhere) has passed every test that could be thrown at it, except what it clearly refuses to (for example, activeX). Ever wondered why the $25 it costs (in bulk) is worth every cent?
Been with it through the insane kind of activity one has in teenage, and later in saner corporate surroundings. A point of note is firefox evangelism mostly happens on an abstract and militant basis (QUOTE: "mysteriously, mind you"), whereas its no co-incidence that opera generally is used by those who value their time, spreads slower and on the basis of debates informed with facts. (try seeing my old posts for reasons why I like opera)


Incidentally, in cases where opera is not able to do the job (like windowsupdate), IE is preferred. (yeah, firefox exists with *YET ANOTHER* extension to enable WU, but since you seem to know about corporate policies, you'd know that we brand installing ANYTHING without permission to be a nuisance). Also, in that kind of atmosphere, IE is by far the preferred browser because of its ability to be locked down centrally in a domain (remember GPMC and GPOs? ).

My stance has been to recommend Opera to intelligent, individual power-users and use IE in production environments because anyway the dumb employees cannot hurt themselves considering that we control IE on the domain. Where does that leave firefox?

Anyone click on the link via DivX? Funny Shizzit. (forward-backward-forward-backward...)


True.


(Firefox is still free! , oohh wait - so is Opera! LOL)

Not going to start a all out war here it's off topic and unnecessary, but to close it up.

It cost me $15/per 100 licenses. Someday Opera will get there act together for the corporate environment, but for now it's IE & Firefox. And branding... if your in a corporate environment you have a perpetual license which allows you to do any type of branding of the browser (application).



Swap out Opera for Firefox and you have a green light. I also find it interesting you admire Opera so much. Seem's you do not realize Firefox and Opera are both built upon the same engine.

You're right mate!
This is just about the comparative merits, with no external factors brought into play.


Your will has been done!
Its now a different thread, and is on-topic, lol.

Oops there, epic.
Despite accepting that you may not have personally used it, it appears you missed ALL the major comparisons that mention that the 3 main browser engines (as far as win32 platform goes) are IE, mozilla, and opera.
No, both use totally different engines - mozilla (and derivatives like firefox) uses the gecko rendering base, and opera has its own opera engine.

ooops

Really, where did I openly admit not using Opera? I believe I have mentioned we have tested this in a corporate environment & I personally own a copy myself. Do you read anything people post or just skim...



Glad you caught that. Yes, Opera runs on a seperate engine besides Mozilla/Firefox(gecko) and IE. There is no doubt about that. The issue is compatibility, interoperability (, blame Gate's), and stability.

I will openly admit that Opera 8b is a work in progress and has overcome leaps and bounds from it's recent deployments.



That's what you get with an OpenSource application. Different users have their interpretation of what an application should contain. It's the one of the advantageous of OpenSource is to share your version. No one is dispossessioned you to install the application (plugin), it's just a feature that is available to users whom beleive it would help them. Also a lot of hogwash out there... good ideas but useless. However, the best part of OpenSource.

it's late.. posted the same thing twice.

Yup. And that was what makes it look like you haven't used it (or not much atleast) - which explains that remark....


But well, it simply is an amazing lot of features that the opera suite packs into itself by default. Its a browser that "grows" on you (kinda'). As you use it more, you find out more about it. And despite all the "growth" its memory usage is still so less that even a machine with 16 MB RAM is happy to have opera. To be honest, just take a look at this post - LINK - and tell me how many extensions firefox will need before it touches (what is for me) the minimal functionality found in opera.

And of course, you can equally just as well go trigger happy and get lot of add-ons for opera. But the emphasis is on what I get at a minimum with one and the other....


Hmm well, since you would rather choose firefox, what was the reason you bought opera (and that too, in bulk!) ?

I'd say so he could compare the two as their development progresses. That's why I'd do it.

thats ridiculous, thats what those demos trials betas alphas are for
u don't buy it

Heyas,
I stumbled across this thread last nite when I was lookin around.
My thorts were.. ok, I should d/load Opera (as I use Firefox) and see how they compare
I have one question... in Firefox (and in I.E.) you can right click on a bookmark and open in a new ....
Does Opera have this (maybe I missed it in all the features)


note: Can I do this without opening the Bookmark Manager?

I've got to try Opera sometime.

But 2 broswers are enough for me.

Press F4 to bring up the sidebar, then the boomarks list comes up. Right-click on whichever you choose...

Then you can make it go back to being out of view by pressing F4 or Shift-F4 or clicking the small bit of trigger area at the left edge of the screen.

Well, I downloaded Opera, played around with it.. saw its capabilities and weaknesses.

For my personal prefs as far as a browser is concerned; I'm more than happy with Firefox. Although Opera kicked its a** in speed and had a lot of very nice extras, it was what it couldnt do that swayed me (chat in msn comms wif old mates, post in those comms with various fonts/colours/add pics etc.
If opera ever gets to be able to do those, I would swap in a minute

why don't u post that in opera forums?

what is that msn comm thingy u talked about? can u post a screenshot?

Firefox is better anyday...

fanboy, justify yourself.

link to opera post

Old post, but I had to laugh.

300 tabs every 10 minutes eh?

So 30 tabs per minute.. so you open AND close a tab every 2 seconds? Holy crap they should study your brain for science!

I agree ie Sucks i use Firefox 1.04 and Opera 8.00 final and they are both great !

Hehe! lol...

Using Firefox since i know about it (ver.~0.90) its the best browser for the prise.

Excuse me!
Before "lol"ing, try considering that ppl COULD browse more efficiently than you do...
And in any case, you aren't unfamiliar with pages that have more than 500 links. No other browser can effortlessly fulfil the task of opening all links in individual tabs.

Firefox sucks. And thats the fact.
I've been with the open source movement since the days the DADDY of firefox was still in alpha. While its commendable that its come so far, it still has a long way to go. Opera is a far more polished product.
Those who say firefox is an "open source" app, so this is all that can be expected, are missing the point. And until firefox can catch up, putting down better browsers is something that its fans rather not waste their time on...

Yeah, I just indefinitely switched from Firefox to Opera. I like how you can customize practically every part of the browser, and I love the keyboard shortcuts. Secunia says that Opera 8.01 has 0 unpatched security vulnerabilities, and even patches the java spoofing vuln. Firefox is what, 35% unpatched? Had I known that, I would have switched a long time ago. Opera is indeed polished but Firefox gets more publicity and is free so of course people want it more. I can understand that. But when it comes to the two browsers facing off 1 on 1, I do think Opera would pwn Firefox.