NUSB support of USB floppy drives is broken, it should be removed, I wrote about it in this thread twice already but it was not corrected yet.

Use manufacturer supplied driver instead.

You need manufacturer supplied driver to support USB 2.0 in Windows 98, you can use Everest to identify the USB 2.0 controller, this is the example:


The important information is Device ID, Subsystem ID and Revision.

Then I can point you to the right driver in case it exists.

Petr

Petr
why don't you fix the problem above
we can't put all i hope & depends in one person to
keep a updated system.If we do we will never get our system up to date
/bugless free
Its seem that everyone who start a project don't care to finish it
or take too long to make adjustments and updates

Hu$tle,

nobody has replied to my observations and suggestions so I have no idea what is the real dimension of the problem, it looked like just and only I have the problem. I have reported the problem in this thread on May 2 2005, more than 19 months ago.

There was suggestion to use Microsoft umss driver instead of these partially working files taken from Windows Me, but I never was able to compile it and again nobody was interested in this way.

If everybody is happy with the current state why should I try to change it?

Petr

Since support of USB floppy drives is broken, does anyone know where i can find a 'manufacturer' driver? I tried Sony's site, but i couldn't find it. My laptop is NOT a Sony, is a Dell, ONLY the floppy drive is a Sony; at least, that's what NUSB detected it as...



Everest reports my mobo as 'Dell Inspiron 600m' and the chipset as 'Intel Odem i855'. Everest reports the USB 2.0 controller as 'Intel 82801DB(M) ICH4(-M) - Enhanced USB2 controller' Device ID: 8086-24CD. Subsystem ID: 1028-011E. Revision 01. I already installed the 'Intel Mobile Chipset' driver from the Dell ResourceCD, but it did NOT install a USB 2.0 controller.

Then you can use any of the following Orangeware USB 2.0 drivers:
ftp://ftp.abitshop.com/pub/driver2/intel_usb/1102.exe (version 1.01.0000.2)
http://old.winpack.org/petr/U2v242.exe (version 2.04.0002.0)

Regarding the Sony USB floppy drive, what model do you have? You can read it by http://old.winpack.org/petr/usbview.exe utility, just check "Config Descriptors" and "Refresh" (F5).
At least post idVendor and idProduct.

Here are some Windows 98 drivers for Sony USB FDD:
http://sony.storagesupport.com/floppydrive/mpf82e.htm
http://www-3.ibm.com/pc/support/site.wss/d...cid=MIGR-4P52BK
http://sony.storagesupport.com/floppydrive...in98drivers.zip

Regards,

Petr

But NOT both, right? I think i'll try the first since it says 'Intel.' Thanks.



I had to do this on my newer PC, because once i plug in the drive in the laptop, 98 goes straight ahead and detects it, followed by the BSOD. I would need to uninstall NUSB, right? But i can't do that from Add/Remove programs...Anyway, here's what Usb View reported on my new PC:

idVendor: 0x054C (Sony Corp.)

idProduct: 0x002C



I'll try these ASAP. Thanks a lot.

No both, of course. Both drivers are made by Orangeware, the first one is special Intel edition with support of ICH4 and ICH5 southbridges and Windows 9x only, it is dated 4/01/2003. The second one is newest Orangeware driver for Windows 9x/2000/XP, supports ICH4 only and is dated 3/1/2006.

I don't know which one will be better for you.



This ID is supported by these drivers:
http://sony.storagesupport.com/floppydrive/mpf82e.htm
http://sony.storagesupport.com/floppydrive...in98drivers.zip

That's great, but, because i don't have a floppy drive or internet access on the laptop, how can i transfer files from my new PC to it? The laptop has a parallel port, but my new PC does NOT, so that option is out. The only way i know of, is via USB, but i don't have the right USB cord (it's the one with two male ends, right?) Also, I don't know enough about networking to figure how (i.e. type of network cord) i should use to connect the NIC's of both computers.

Maybe your laptop has CD-ROM?

It sure does, and my new PC has a DVD burner. But, I don't want to waste another Blank CD for a max. of 100 megs of drivers and such. Because i already have plenty of CD-R's with lots of free space on them. Is there a way to re-use/add data to these CD-R's if their capacity is NOT full?

in nero you can save the session and you can add files later as long as you set the multisession option

A CD is what......10 cents if that much?

i think it depends where you live i might have to pay almost $1 maybe for a cd

1. Ever heard of CD-RW (rewritable CD)?

2. I get TDK DVDs here for less than $1/pc. Jewel case included. CDs are about 5pc. for $1.

3. Crosslink cable is what you need for connecting both machines' NICs. Make sure you set IPs in the same class (i.e 192.168.0.1 and 192.168.0.2) and workgroup is identical on both.

This almost never works for me with CD-R's. I am using nero 5.5.9.17, the check box for multisession is grayed out. I believe this also happens with me on nero 6.0.0.9.



Do you mean crossover cable? I think your right, but i'd rather not waste my money and buy one. With some effort, can't you change a straight cable to crossover and back again? And yes, i've heard of CD-RW's and those are the expensive discs. Luckily, i found a few, so i'm using one of them now.

Modifying a cable is not that easy, as you would have to replace the RJ45 outlets each time. You can find documentation on Standard ad Cross-over cables here.

As for Nero's multisession, I don't know what to say, it always worked for me in v5.5, 6.0 and 7.0. Not sure if it could have something to do with your particular burner hardware, I tested with a TEAC CD-W552 CD-burner and a Samsung SH-S182D DVD-burner. Just make sure you don't mix sessions burned with different types of software. I had some multisession CDs destroyed long time ago because first session was burned with Roxio and second one with Nero.

Didn't want to open a new topic for this, so here it is...

I found an overclocking USB mouse driver for 98SE and it seems it also works with WinME [and all other NTx Win32 OSes].

Found here:
http://www.esreality.com/?a=post&id=1265679
File [386 KB, English + Russian]:
http://sweetlow.at.tut.by/download/hidusbf.zip
Mouse drivers web site [Russian]:
http://www.overclockers.ru/lab/15925.shtml

Make sure you read README.ENG.TXT [English] or README.RUS.TXT [Russian] first.

Have fun.

I have some problems with this download. I installed the NUSB and restarted the computer. Afterwards, I connected my USB Flash Drive into the USB port. Nothing happened. So I went to control panel and went to Add Hardware and started the search. I find the USB drive in the list and said it had problem. So I try to push the update driver button and directed to the WINDOWS folder, it detected a driver and asked me to restart it. So I did. When I came back on I replugged the USB and it doesn't do anything. And when I went back to Add Hardware it still said there were problem with the driver. Help? Btw, I reinstalled like 3 times.

Edit: Turns out that my USB driver malfunctioned.

Maximus Decim Native USB ver.2.4
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Only for Windows 98SE !!!
Native (without installation of additional drivers
for each type) support USB flash drives, digital
photo and videocameras and other similar devices.
Remember! You install it at own risk!
Before installation remove ALL of driver
USB flash drivs, available in system.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
English: http://rapidshare.com/files/8871959/nusb24e.exe.html
Russian: http://rapidshare.com/files/8871320/nusb24r.exe.html

What's new?
1.Add Apple iPod support

Have you removed USB FDD support finally?

Petr

Well, according to this:

seems no. Are you stating that all USB FDDs will fail?

I'm discussing this topic here for more than 1.5 year and nobody reported any success.

The problem seems to be in Win98 DISKTSD.VXD that is incompatible with Windows Me files contained in NUSB - and Windows Me DISKTSD.VXD is incompatible with Windows 98 SE.

Petr

It should be tested if any of USB FDD driver is so generic that it can be used with any USB FDD.

Petr

I see where u coming from Petr most of these people don't try to fix the problem @ hand
they just update them and adding more support doesn't fix the problem.
sometimes u gotta fix things yourself.

NUSB here:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#NUS

* Unofficial Windows 98 SE Native USB Drivers (NUSB) 2.4:
http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=43605
NUSB [649 KB, English, free]:
http://www.mdgx.com/spx/NUSB24.EXE

Many thanks for NUSB. Used it to get Samsung MP3 player working. Their supplied driver wasn't much use :-(
But yours worked like a dream. Now all I've got to do is to figure out how to use the thing ;-)

the link doesn't work it says not exist

http://www.mdgx.com/spx/NUSB24.EXE

Also here, along with newer versions and different language versions:
http://www.technical-assistance.co.uk/kb/usbmsd98.php

#Maximum-decim
I can see that you have included a newer version of advpack.dll and explorer.exe (4.72.3612.1700) in your Russian version af NUSB 2.4. When I want to compile a danish version, do I then need to find advpack.dll and explorer.exe 4.72.3612.1700 in danish version?
If yes - where can I obtain these to files? I have all the other files required for a localized version. Unless there has been added more files, which needs to be in localized versions.

I've found a explorer.exe 4.72.3110.1
Could you upload the .sed file, so I can compile a danish version?

Maximus-decim, can you put Cypress Semiconductor external hard-disk driver?

Hi Maximus Decim and all of you,

here is information about a new USB stick, which is not yet supported by nusb24. Recently I bought a 1GB CnMemory Core USB stick at an "Atelco"-Computerstore in Germany (it means these sticks are probably sold in large quantities in Germany). Here it is:

http://www.cnmemory.de/core.htm

Although this stick does not need a driver with Windows ME, it was not detected by nusb24 under Windows 98 SE. Finally I got it working with nusb24 by adding these entries to USBSTOR.INF:

[Manufacturer]
%CnMemory.Mfg%=CnMemory

[CnMemory]
%USB\VID_1516&PID_8628.DeviceDesc%=USBSTOR_BULK,USB\VID_1516&PID_8628

[Strings]
CnMemory.Mfg="CnMemory"
USB\VID_1516&PID_8628.DeviceDesc="Generic USB Flash Disk"

CnMemory is actually just a distributor, not a manufacturer, but I do not know, which manufacturer hides behind "VID_1516" and even Google did not help in that matter. These sticks are offered with different capacities (512MB, 1GB, 2GB and 4GB) and the entries above are, of course, only applicable to the 1GB stick (the others will need different PID numbers).

CnMemory also offers generic drivers for Windows 98 SE, which support at least all USB storage devices (USB sticks, MP3 players, cardreaders) they have sold since 1998:

http://www.cnmemory.de/treiber.htm

I used their driver for USB sticks for determination of VID, PID and protocol. By the way, this driver looks quite promising: With the exception of one brand ("VID_0204", view ICUmss.inf), all USB sticks are supported generically. Perhaps this driver (and the other two for MP3 players and cardreaders as well) could be an alternative for those, who have no luck with nusb24.

Pirates

The CnMemory drivers for USB sticks and MP3 players are identical, so there are basically two drivers - one for USB sticks / MP3 players and the other one for cardreaders.

Pirates

@Jonazz.
I have been looking for a danish version of NUSB for quite some time.
Have you successfully compiled a danish version of NUSB?
If you have, i would be very glad if you somehow could upload the file or email it to me.
It doesn't need to be version 2.4 if you haven't been able to get the files needed yet.
/ mvittrup

http://www.megaupload.com/dk/?d=4INRGLXG

this should be a working version of Maximum-Decim Native USB Drivers 2.21 danish. I haven't been able to test it. Or... The devices I tested, didn't worked...

Thank you for the upload. I will give it a try when i get back to work next week. We have some old machines with win98 at the school where I work, in which it would be nice for the pupils to have the option to use usb devices.

Hello Maximus.
Iv'e got the sam problem withthe Sansa m240
I cant download the driver that you or someone else made, i get the annoying errer message: file not found.
I have a Win98Se and a Sanblabla m240.
Can you please mail the driver or fix the problem with the download to me at: bubaloo3@hotmail.com
Thank you ppl.

@Jonazz Well couldn't wait, so i found another computer with win98se. The danish version 2.21 did work on both my usb-flashdrives, but not my usb-harddrive (not so important). So pretty great!

- I was wondering, if it is possible just to overwrite the language dependent files in version nusb24e with the ones from the nusb2.21dk you send be? (by fx. using winrar)

- Or, is it possible to install the the nusb24e and just skip the files, that the install process is warning about, not being the correct language.

Anyways.. Thank you for the danish file. I'm looking forward to implement it on my schools computers, and hope most of the pupils/theaters usb-flash devices works. (Btw.. if you do get the new version compiled with the danish files, i would be grateful for a copy of that version to)

I think it is more reliable if I could obtain the information needed for compiling 2.24da (some questions in an earlier post + the .SED-file needed for the compiling). I think I have all files required for compiling the new version.

my usb-harddrive didn't work either, have not tried with 2.24.

About the id of the stick chip, see this post of mine:
http://www.911cd.net/forums//index.php?showtopic=18804

It seems like the manufacturer is:
http://www.skymedi.com.tw/eng-index.html
http://www.skymedi.com.tw/products/sk6201.htm

and that the same stick is sold as GXT at
http://www.valgear.com

jaclaz

Maximus Decim Native USB ver.3.0
------------------------------------------------------------------------
*Native (without installation of additional drivers for each type) support USB flash drives, digital photo
and videocameras and other similar devices.
*Universal Stack USB 2.0 (without installation of additional drivers for each chipsets) with uninstall.
1.Remove ALL drivers USB flash drives.
2.Remove ALL drivers USB 2.0 controllers.
3.Remove ALL unknown devices.
4.Install NUSB 3.0 and reboot.
5.After detection new USB 2.0 controllers (if it will occur) too it is necessary to be reboot.
Remember! You install it at own risk!

Thanks Walter Oney (wdmstub.sys)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
English: http://rapidshare.com/files/17516502/nusb30e.exe.html
Russian: http://rapidshare.com/files/17516399/nusb30r.exe.html

What's new?
*Add universal USB 2.0 stack (for VIA, nVidia, Intel, ATI/AMD, ALi/ULi, SiS, Nec) with uninstall
*Remove USB FDD support
*New USBSTOR.SYS (5.0.2195.6655 - Windows 2000SP4) and wdmstub.sys (Thanks Walter Oney)
*Add CnMemory USB device

excellent! What happens if we don't unload all the drivers? Some are tricky to find if you don't have your certain device connected....

thank you.

@jaclaz

Thanks for this! Anyway, it is still VERY confusing. Now there are 3 different manufacturers in the game:

1. Skymedi, which seems to be the manufacturer of the chip,
2. Lexar ("VID_05DC"?),
3. ValGear.

I get "VID_1516" as the vendor ID-number, so it does not seem to be Lexar? Confused. And in addition the read/write speed of the CnMemory stick seems to be significantly lower than the Skymedi specifications:

CnMemory: http://www.cnmemory.de/core.htm
Skymedi : http://www.skymedi.com.tw/products/sk6201.htm

Pirates

Hey Maximum-Decim. Nice with a new release
Could you upload the .SED-file for v3.0 somewhere, so others are able to build localized versions of NUSB?

do I need a localized version of wdmstub.sys?

@Pirates

No, Lexar is out of the "game", the post on 911CD I referred to was a sequel to a few e-mails I had with wm_raim, wher he cleared that he was trying with TWO sticks, one a Lexar With Vid 05DCh and Pid 0080h and the other one the GXT with Vid 1516h Pid 8628h.

Sorry for the mix-up.

Usually the manufacturer of the chip has his own Vid/Pid, when he sells his product to the makers of the flash stick, he gives them an utility to change Vid/Pid to that of the stick manufacturer (if he has one), as a cascade, when the stick manufacturer actually tests the stick he has the option to insert the Vid/Pid (if any) of the Commercial company that has the "Brand" name and that actually sells the stick on the market.

Acquiring a Vid is relatively easy and cheap:
http://www.usb.org/developers/vendor/
while the Pid is an internal code, that in some cases is "meaningful", i.e. OtI sticks have Pid 2168 if they use chip 2168, Pid 6828 uses chip 6828, etc., but as soon as they developed various versions or "updates" of the chip, it agains loses significance, as an example, if I recall correctly, there is a "F" version of the 2168 and a "G" version with added features that cannot be distinguished by Pid.

Given the above it is easy to envision a scenario where Vid can mean:
1) Chip manufacturer (most of them)
2) Stick manufacturer (I think few of them that payed the $2000/$4,000.00 fee)
3) Commercial vendor of stick (I think still fewer that payed the $2000/$4,000.00 fee)

About speed, I cannot say, but the reference to 23x on the cnmemory.de site could be related to the 23.1 Speed on the skymedi site?

Speed of a flash device appears to be something "unmeasurable" without a standard, however the Ratio between 31.1 whatever for Read Access and 21.3 whatever for Write Access seems just not right

Check these:
http://www.anandtech.com/printarticle.aspx?i=2549
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/flash.ars/1
http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/flash2005.ars

for a speed comparison and to see how much speed is influenced on size of what you are reading/writing.

In your case I think that we fall in point 1) above, where two different commercial companies, valgear with its brand GXT and cnmemory with it's own name offer on the market sticks that mantain the Vid of the Chip manufacturer (and use the chip manufacturer driver for Win98).

jaclaz

P.S.: Sorry if I am somehow hijacking this thread....

Hi Maximum-Decim.

Thank you for the new version.

I second what Jonazz wrote a couple of posts earlier.
A .sed file would be really nice for the new version, so it is possible to compile versions with other languages.
Please!, Cause I'm looking forward to try a newer and even better version than Nusb221da.

Will USBVIEW.exe be added and will explorer.exe be upgraded to the newer version?

NUSB 3.0 SED-file

http://rapidshare.com/files/17656661/nusb30e.SED.html

Can I just say.... "Mate you are a champion!!!"


I am sure like many others, your USB patch, along with the works by LLXX, MDGx and many others, is the only reason we can still viably use Windows 98 SE as a productive work horse and not just a sentimental hobby machine!!!


Thankyou