vcBlackBox
Apr 22 2005, 10:17 PM
NCAB (Nero Custom Applications Builder) v2.11FEATURES:Automated customization of individual Nero applications.
Automated customization of specific Nero features.
Automated 7-Zip rebuilding.
All-in-One script (installation, registering, preference settings, and cleanup).
Quick and simple to follow instructions.
BENEFITS:Smaller setup/install size. Less bloat.
Cleans up post-installation registry and hard disk clutter.
Faster installation - one setup file, as oppose to as many as three seperate setup files.
Switchless and silent installer. No GUI. Ideal for UA installs.
Min Requirements: Nero-6.6.0.16.exe or higher, Windows XP/2003
Optional Components: NVE-3.1.0.16.exe or higher, Nero Language Addon Pack #1===============
EXAMPLE SCENARIOS:
===============
Example #1: NERO vs. NCAB (custom example)
Nero-6.6.1.4.exe = Nero Package 1 (34.1 MB)
NVE-3.1.0.25.exe = Nero Package 2 (37.6 MB)
Nero-6.6.1.4_sve.exe= Swedish Language Pack 1 (9.0 MB)
Nero Setup size: 3 files @ 80.7 MB
vs.
NCAB Setup size: 1 file @ 31.1 MB , save 49.6 MB , 159% improvement , install size ~ 110 MB
Applications kept: (Nero, Nero Express, Toolkit, WaveEditor, Nero VisionExpress, Recode, Swedish Language Pack 1)
Applications removed: (CoverDesigner, ImageDrive, BackItUp, SoundTrax, StartSmart, MediaHome, PhotoSnapViewer, ShowTime)
Features removed: WAV Soundeffects, NeroNet, CD-i, OGG, Dr.WEB, DOS BootImage file
Example #2:
Nero-6.6.1.4.exe = 34.1 MB
NCAB (Nero ONLY) = 14.6 MB , save 19.5 MB , 134% better compression ratio
Revisions:v2.11: Support for Nero-6.6.1.4.exe and NVE-3.1.0.25.exe. Removes Yahoo Toolbar. Fixed an NVE issue.
v2.10: New self-extraction method. Option to remove two additional features, possibly saving 1.4MB. Code enhancements.
v2.08: Remove two Redist setup files. Save 510 KB. Remove support for Language Pack 2.
v2.07: Bugfix for Language Pack users. Minor code enhancements.
v2.06: Two new removable features: OGG plugin & CD-i support. Minor code enhancements.
v2.05: Significant changes. Too many to list here. Overall 10% improvement over 2.04.
v2.04: Optimized for latest Nero-6.6.0.15. Additional tweaks for better space savings.
v2.03: Search/Replace procedure eliminated. Updated 7Za and SFX. A few tweaks.
v2.02: Improve size reduction for Nero Package 2. Updated SFX.
v2.01: Replaced StartX.exe with uncompressed version.Download latest Nero 6 Update Packages:
http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/enu/nero-up.phpDownload Nero 6 Language Packs:
http://ww2.nero.com/nero6/enu/sp_file_main.phpDOWNLOAD NCAB:
NCAB v2.11Mirror by Kelsenellenelvian & WPI
boooggy
Apr 23 2005, 12:21 AM
nice and smooth.... thanx.
rutger10000
Apr 23 2005, 01:17 AM
Looks great, and thanks for the quick update!
I made an installer with it and it seems to work great, but I can't actually burn anything with this pc. Does anyone know if the "Unknown Burnphase" message still exists?
zecompadre
Apr 23 2005, 09:01 AM
Give me this when i click NCAB.exe
"Nero building process FAILED !
Pelase place StartX.exe in this directory."
everything is in the same directory !!!
vcBlackBox
Apr 23 2005, 12:15 PM
@zecompadre
Please extract all contents from NCAB.rar again.
You probably got that message because you ran NCAB.exe once already, and now you are trying to run it again.
I apologize for that error message, I should of been a little clearer.
bober
Apr 23 2005, 01:25 PM
works great. thanks.
lilweirddude
Apr 23 2005, 01:29 PM
does it work with NVE too?
nevermind
MAVERICKS CHOICE
Apr 23 2005, 02:00 PM
Using the latest 7zip beta but still getting the 67.5Kb Nero6_custom.exe??
bonedaddy
Apr 23 2005, 05:34 PM
@ vcBlackBox
Thanks for the great tool, worked very well........... One funny thing, after a clean
install on hidden partition, nero setup fine but stopped at the 6min mark and never
moved, opened task manager and imapi was running, disabled it and all was fine?
Guess next time useing nLite I'll just remove imapi............
thanks again
BD
zecompadre
Apr 24 2005, 03:29 AM
@vcBlackBox
now it works !! Tks !!
vcBlackBox
Apr 24 2005, 10:56 AM
removed outdated
vcBlackBox
Apr 24 2005, 11:47 AM
I've been playing around with this nero project for so long...
I wanna squeeze every last bit of bloat from this product that I can, but without sacrificing core features or functionality of course.
I'm releasing an experimental build for testers out there. Try it out and let me know how it works for you.
This release, I'm removing the 6 Redistribution Files located in Redist folder.
We don't really need these system files if we have WinXP SP-2 and later and presumbably Win2003 too.
Our system should have them already, plus they are newer than those that come with nero.
I can't be sure if Nero requires any deprecated features that are not available in the newer libraries. I'm just assuming they don't.
Doing this, we can save an additional 1.68 MB off of the final custom installer.
But if you're worry that it might cause some functionality problems with nero, you're still free to use my original NCAB.
If it works or doesn't work, plz give me some details, OS (Pro/Home), Service Pack?, n-lite or not, etc
Also I read this article a few days ago, and it's kinda interesting in how it relates to what I'm trying to do here. The article:
Many corporations face major risks because repackaged apps are ignored by Microsoft patches!
lilweirddude
Apr 24 2005, 12:38 PM
is there going to be one for nve too? like the last version where you merged them into one package
bonedaddy
Apr 25 2005, 10:12 AM
@vcBlackBox
Here ya go, the info..........
Useing XP PRO, SP-2,RyanVM's full update pack v1.21, nLited down to 160mb, then
adding 400mb of progies and drivers...
Real time install, got one error with ReDist ver, "unable to register NEROPLUGIN.dll..."
kept Burning Rom, toolkit, express(just pushed "enter" on Express but still installed),
19+mb. Used installed ReDist ver to burn an ISO no problems.......... I don't use any
plugins.....if you need any thing else let me know............
thanks again
BD
Diagg
Apr 25 2005, 10:37 AM
@vcBlackBox

tried your soft on Win2000 sp4 + winrar 3.5 beta +7Zip 4.18 beta+ nero-6.6.0.12.exe
but it stopped when searching nero-6.6.0.12.exe and said :
Nero building process FAILED!
It appears you do not have Nero Package 1 in this directory
and off course the exe is in the same directory.....
could you help me, or maybe ncab don't work on 2000 ?
muiz
Apr 26 2005, 08:43 AM
After install it says :
some things are missing please reinstall nero

doesnt work m8
vcBlackBox
Apr 26 2005, 01:08 PM
Thanks bonedaddy
I kinda figure there would be some problems removing all the redistribution files.
Okay, I'll be a little more conservative. I'm removing only 3 three DLLs (gdiplus, mfc42, and msvcrt).
net savings
NCAB-noRedist vs orginal NCAB = 1.1MB less.
@muiz
please clarify, you're referring to the experimental noRedist, correct?
@Diagg
it does not work on Windows2000.
bonedaddy
Apr 27 2005, 09:46 AM
build 2 works fine.........
slimzky
Apr 27 2005, 10:43 AM
how can we automatically delete the zero byte files & shortcuts?
muiz
Apr 27 2005, 07:04 PM
I choose to keep it all
Then i tried with or without extra compression..
but when i try to run nero....
Some files are missing please reinstall nero
Normal nero works, but nero smart start wont start...
But i choosed to keep it all
How can i fix this, so it installs smart start to?
vcBlackBox
Apr 27 2005, 07:52 PM
QUOTE (muiz @ Apr 27 2005, 07:04 PM)
I choose to keep it all
Then i tried with or without extra compression..
but when i try to run nero....
Some files are missing please reinstall nero
Normal nero works, but nero smart start wont start...
But i choosed to keep it all
How can i fix this, so it installs smart start to?
I know why Nero StartSmart is not working.
Open Nero_Installer.cmd and go down to the section Nero Cleanup
and look for this line and remove it.
del "%ProgramFiles%\Ahead\Nero\SHORTCUT.DLL"
I think I was a little overzealous deleting unwanted features.
Normally I don't install everything, so I had no need for the StartSmart.
Just an oversight, sorry.
muiz
Apr 27 2005, 08:06 PM
Sorry m8, i realy tried.......
But the old fashion way still works for me :
QUOTE
Hey, try this one. it is the most easiest way what I know.
1.Extract Nero-6.6.0.12.exe (whatever versions)
2.Make a SFX file using WinRAR - self extract, solid, highest compress
(see below)
3.click to install or use a run command.
for instance %CDROM%\software\nero\Nero-6.6.0.12.exe
No need any switches, reg files.
4.You can enjoy
Regarding 2.
Paste below command in a comment space
CODE;The comment below contains SFX script commands
Setup=setup.exe /SN=****-****-****-****-****-**** /WRITE_SN /SILENT /NO_UI /NOREBOOT /NOLICENSE /NOCANCEL
TempMode
Silent=1
Overwrite=1
Title=Nero 6.6.0.12 Ahead Software AG
( From : tinywoods )
Lots faster to
vcBlackBox
Apr 27 2005, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (muiz @ Apr 27 2005, 08:06 PM)
Sorry m8, i realy tried.......
But the old fashion way still works for me :
QUOTE
Hey, try this one. it is the most easiest way what I know.
1.Extract Nero-6.6.0.12.exe (whatever versions)
2.Make a SFX file using WinRAR - self extract, solid, highest compress
(see below)
3.click to install or use a run command.
for instance %CDROM%\software\nero\Nero-6.6.0.12.exe
No need any switches, reg files.
4.You can enjoy
Regarding 2.
Paste below command in a comment space
CODE;The comment below contains SFX script commands
Setup=setup.exe /SN=****-****-****-****-****-**** /WRITE_SN /SILENT /NO_UI /NOREBOOT /NOLICENSE /NOCANCEL
TempMode
Silent=1
Overwrite=1
Title=Nero 6.6.0.12 Ahead Software AG
( From : tinywoods )
Lots faster to

Well of course if you wanted to keep all the applications, I would use Nero's own installer.

NCAB is for customization, and size reduction.
muiz
Apr 27 2005, 10:57 PM
I know

No offence
d0p3y2k4
May 3 2005, 02:15 AM
brand new to this site but thanks for the fix

made my own installer works great
Tinywoods
May 3 2005, 12:34 PM
Hello vcBlackBox,
I'm very interesting in your way. However, I'm a Japanese who use Japanese-OS. So, it is not the best one for me, as you may understand. On the other hand, I found the old way what muiz said did not work for 6.6.0.12. (It works until 6.6.0.8 on JP OS).
I know your NCAB does not work on any OS except English. I tried to install multi-lang NERO. Then, NERO English version works on my OS well.
I uninstalled Eng NERO. I changed the Nero_Installer.cmd, "nres_eng" to "nres_jpn" and re-installed Nero6_Custom.exe. But still only Eng NERO appeares on my PC.
Do you know why does the NCAB work only on ENG OS? I want to change the language from ENG to JPN.
vcBlackBox
May 3 2005, 01:29 PM
removed. outdated
atlas95
May 3 2005, 06:48 PM
Hello, I've problem,
With international release,I've made my custom setup but when i launch it, the file is uncompress and next nothing...
I think it is a problem with the syntax:
CODE
;!@Install@!UTF-8!
RunProgram="StartX /B /wait Nero_Installer.cmd"
;!@InstallEnd@!
when i launch manully nero_installer.cmd it is good or by command line i launch StartX /B /wait Nero_Installer.cmd it is good...
I think 7zip don't understand the command StartX /B /wait Nero_Installer.cmd, maybe we must do that with other solution?...
Sorry for my english I hope you understand me.
ps: windows sp2 french, the last 7zip and english nero and french translation.
d0p3y2k4
May 3 2005, 07:39 PM
just curious whats the code so nero startsmart does not ad a icon to quick launch ?
vcBlackBox
May 3 2005, 07:51 PM
@atlas95
CODE
StartX /B /wait Nero_Installer.cmd
There's nothing wrong with that syntax, however because you use a french version of 7-zip, perhaps there maybe something different about this part of the syntax.
CODE
;!@Install@!UTF-8!
RunProgram=
;!@InstallEnd@!
@d0p3y2k4
If you don't wish to install StartSmart, my script will clean it up automatically.
if you're curious please take a look at my Nero_Installer.cmd script under the heading Nero Cleanup, section :StartSmart
d0p3y2k4
May 3 2005, 07:58 PM
thanks that was quick
atlas95
May 4 2005, 02:03 AM
7zip is in english :/
Tinywoods
May 4 2005, 06:19 AM
Hello vcBlackBox,
NCAB_Int+Lang_pack works well. Great!
As far as I know, NERO after 6.6.0.3 is a multi language exe, so we Japanese did not need a language pack. We can see 15 files of nres_XXX.msgin in C:\ C:\Program Files\Ahead\Nero after normal installation.
However, if I do not use Lang_pack.exe for NCAB_Int installation, an error message appears on my screen “When you are going to install system components, please install them via a control panel.". This windows erro message is the same message that I got when I install 6.6.0.12 by the old way. I have no idea how I can avoid the error.
Anyway, I can install JPN NERO without any problem by NCAB_Int+Lang_pack. Good.
Thank you = ARIGATOU (in Japanese)
atlas95
May 4 2005, 07:41 AM
Please help me, nothing is launch after uncompress

What is the temp directory where are uncompress files?
Tinywoods
May 4 2005, 01:49 PM
Hello atlas95
1. Download 7-Zip 4.18 beta from below a site and install it.
http://www.7-zip.org/dl/7z418b.exe2. Ectract NCAB_Int.rar in a "NCAB_Int" folder
3. Set files in the "NCAB_Int" folder.
NCAB_Int.exe
Nero_Installer.cmd
StartX.exe
vcBlackBox_Nero.txt
vcBlackBox_Nero.sfx
Nero-6.6.0.12.exe
NeroLanguagePack.exe(If you need)
4. Revise the Nero_Installer.cmd. (Over write your Serial on XXXX)
Nero Package 1 Setup : start /wait setupx.exe /SFX /SILENT=1 /SILENT /SN=XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX-XXXX /WRITE_SN /NO_UI /NOCANCEL /NOREBOOT
5. Click the NCAB_Int.exe
6. Follow the instractions which appear on the window. (Select optional install)
7. FINE !
It's almost 5:00 am in Japan. I'm sleepy........
Tinywoods
May 4 2005, 02:04 PM
Hi, atlas95.
What's up?
If you still have a problem about it, I can help you.
Send me a PM.
Cheers,
atlas95
May 4 2005, 02:27 PM
Thanks man I will look after in the night

I'm with friend for the moment
Tinywoods
May 5 2005, 01:33 AM
Sorry vcBlackBox, it is not about NCAB. But many NERO users read this thread.
If you get a Windows error message when you install 6.6.0.12. by old fashion way. please do as follows. Especially it may good information for double byte OS users, I think. It is a very slipshod way, but it works !
(1)Extract NERO 6.6.0.8
(2)Extract NERO 6.6.0.12
(3)Overwrite 6.6.0.12 on 6.6.08.
(4)Delete setup.exe and Setup.cfg
(5)Compress all files as we did.
CODE
;The comment below contains SFX script commands
Setup=setupx.exe /SN=****-****-****-****-****-**** /WRITE_SN /SILENT /NO_UI /NOREBOOT /NOLICENSE /NOCANCEL
TempMode
Silent=1
Overwrite=1
Title=Nero 6.6.0.12 Ahead Software AG
monisriz
May 7 2005, 07:04 AM
i downloaded the ncab.rar from the first post..followed all the instructions to the word..but all i get in the end is a 65kb nero_custom.exe...which doesnt work...wat to do?
from wat i get from ur instructions is:
1. unrar ncab.rar
2. put it in the same folder as nero6.6.0.12.exe
3. run ncab.exe
4. on screen instructions to choose components..
5. but then i get this 65kb file which is not right..
really wanna have this app silently..plz help!
vcBlackBox
May 7 2005, 08:48 PM
QUOTE (monisriz @ May 7 2005, 07:04 AM)
..followed all the instructions to the word..but all i get in the end is a 65kb nero_custom.exe...
Are you using the latest 7-Zip beta versions?
Egon's Dragon
May 8 2005, 04:31 AM
Hi all,
I've used Felix's Nero Custom Install Builder and built an installer with only Nero Burning Rom and Nero ToolKit from the Nero Ultra Edition 6.6.0.6 installer. Build worked fine, install fine. BUT, now, when I burn, I get "Unknown BurnPhase" in the progress window, when it should say "writing to disc". I used to have Nero Ultra Ed installed fully but didn't want all the extra crap, hence using Felix' custom builder. Why am I getting this message now? Please help! Other info: Win2K Pro, Lite-on external CD-RW drive...
boooggy
May 8 2005, 04:44 AM
QUOTE (Egon's Dragon @ May 8 2005, 12:31 PM)
Hi all,
I've used Felix's Nero Custom Install Builder and built an installer with only Nero Burning Rom and Nero ToolKit from the Nero Ultra Edition 6.6.0.6 installer. Build worked fine, install fine. BUT, now, when I burn, I get "Unknown BurnPhase" in the progress window, when it should say "writing to disc". I used to have Nero Ultra Ed installed fully but didn't want all the extra crap, hence using Felix' custom builder. Why am I getting this message now? Please help! Other info: Win2K Pro, Lite-on external CD-RW drive...
i think u posted in the wrong thread.
Egon's Dragon
May 11 2005, 03:18 AM
QUOTE
i think u posted in the wrong thread.
Sorry, all is better. I've just used NCAB instead of Felix' and I don't get the Unknown BurnPhase in Nero. I have Win2K, and it worked fine. I have Nero Ultra 6.6.0.6 and it was no problem; as I hoped, NCAB is backwardly compatible. The only thing was that I had to change "setupx.exe" in the .cmd file to "setup". Only one minor complaint: when running the custom installer, there's no "progress" window whatsoever, or any window to indicate that it's running. Is this normal? No biggie, as it's easy enough to check if it's installed, but, you know, for the dummies out there...
vcBlackBox
May 11 2005, 01:07 PM
Glad you figured it out and it's working for you. Just want to add some further explanation. If you have reg.exe, it will work on Win2k, otherwise it will install okay but will not import any plugin sn, tweaks, or cleanup the registry. Inaddition, there maybe minor application issues (example: nero toolkit lacking png, jpg screen capture saves) unless you already have gdiplus.dll in your system. That's nothing major, but XP users have this DLL already.
To see some progress window on the screen, remove the /SILENT=1 and /NO_UI switches.
Theimon
May 14 2005, 04:07 AM
I thought I'd let you know: I downloaded the NCAB.rar from Rapidshare. When I Extracted it, my Antivirus (Kaspersky) alerted me with the following message:
D:\My Downloads\Nero\NCAB.exe Infected Constructor.Win32.Delf.g
Maybe you can take a look at this.
boooggy
May 14 2005, 06:26 AM
i downloaded too and my antivirus symantec corporate 10 did not say anything.
also NCAB works perfect with nero 6.6.0.13.
Theimon
May 14 2005, 07:19 AM
It's very probable that the .exe file has some fingerprints the virus also has, making Kaspersky alert the user that it has found something although the file is absolutely harmless.
I just thought I let you know. Safety first!
vcBlackBox
May 14 2005, 12:43 PM
QUOTE (Theimon @ May 14 2005, 07:19 AM)
It's very probable that the .exe file has some fingerprints the virus also has, making Kaspersky alert the user that it has found something although the file is absolutely harmless.
I just thought I let you know. Safety first!

Thanks for telling me. I want to assure everyone, there's no virus. I packed my exe in UPX and some anti-virus software are not sophisticated enough to make the distinction.
I've now uploaded a new version for 6.6.0.13 and I'm no longer using UPX compression on NCAB.exe so no more false-positives.
Whatsnew:
• Removed German and Japanese help files.
• Added a couple more Autoplay references that I missed.
• Rearranged script internally to further maximize space savings.
This only affects those who keep several Nero applications.
MAVERICKS CHOICE
Jun 3 2005, 05:53 PM
Seem to be havin an issue with the latest 7zip ver20, & your prog complains its not present on the system & asks to install the latest beta?
It works fine while 7zip ver 4.19 beta installed but refuses to work with 4.20?
Dumpy Dooby
Jun 4 2005, 04:48 AM
I can attest to this bug as well. NCAB doesn't detect 7zip 4.20.
I'm reverting to 4.19 right now...
4.19 worked just fine.
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