!

I don't know if you have tried to install 98SE2ME option 3 after installing KUP [KernelXP current release]. I have. And I got multiple errors upon reboot, when the WinME DLLs tried to register themselves thru regsvr32, using RunOnceEx registry values found in RSTR3F.INF under the [3M] section, which refers to the AddReg [WW] section.
After I restored original kernel32.dll + shell32.dll from before installing KUP I reinstalled option 3 and all went perfect, no errors.

Therefore, unfortunately I cannot recommend 98SE2ME users to install/use KUP until it will become more stable, and most errors will be fixed.

About adding another option to 98SE2ME to include extra functions [supported by KUP] that depend on KUP:
adding more WinME components [system files] requires thorough testing, and not testing with KUP installed, but with unmodified system files. Testing with KUP installed is not an option, because not everybody wants to install/use KUP. Besides, such add-ons/inclusion is/are not relevant nor appropriate to the purpose of 98SE2ME = please review my previous quote from READ1ST.TXT about the scope of 98SE2ME; plus please see above about the bugs encountered while installing option 3 with KUP installed.

And as I said before [and which is also stated in READ1ST.TXT = please review related FAQ section for details], there are no other WinME components that I can think of that would work properly with Win98 SE OS, besides the ones already included in 98SE2ME.
Please see my previous posts about Movie Maker not working properly with unmodified WinME system files.

Just because you like to use KUP and 98SE2ME option 3, that doesn't mean everybody else likes to use KUP and/or option 3, so I can't force everybody to do this based on 1 person's preferences.
I hope you understand.
And I'm sure you would understand this even better if you would try to put yourself in the position of some1 who creates, experiments, maintains and tries to fine tune for several years a package like 98SE2ME, which is almost as complex as installing an entire OS.

HTH

I'm sorry, you need to more explicit and post more details, I don't understand what you want me to do with that long list of files.

About the order in which system updates/patches/SPs/etc should be installed before or after 98SE2ME, please review READ1ST.TXT, the "FAQ" section:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT

I have tested most WMI files from WinME with 98SE a while back, and didn't work. That's why I didn't add them to 98SE2ME.
Did you test all WMI files from WinME to make sure they work properly with 98SE?
Please review the "FAQ" section in READ1ST.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
to learn about why I didn't add more/other WinME system files/components to 98SE2ME, and to learn about the necessity of thorough testing of single files or batches of related/interdependent files, to make sure every single file works properly with 98 SE.

Regsvr32.exe is automatically copied from C:\9!M to %windir%\system upon every time 98SE2ME.EXE is installed and also every time 98SE2ME.PIF [which runs 98SE2ME.BAT] is run.
These are the batch lines from 98SE2ME.BAT, you can test them yourself to make sure they work:They do work on my computer and on everybody else's computers I've tested them on.

The DOS tools I'm using in 98SE2ME are NOT copied anywhere, except for a few, which are copied to %windir%\INF , only for the purpose of uninstalling option 3 even after 98SE2ME is uninstalled from C:\9!M .
And after option 3 is uninstalled, they are all deleted from %windir%\INF .
If you take a look at the "FREE TOOLS" section from READ1ST.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
and at this fragment from the "KNOWN BUGS + FIXES" section:
you'll notice that I'm using those DOS tools only for the purpose of helping install 98SE2ME options/components and to make sure all operations perform properly, not just to install them, because they do not constitute the purpose of the 98SE2ME package [please review READ1ST.TXT ("FAQ" section) for details on the meaning and purpose of 98SE2ME as a replacement/"transplant" package].
If you wish to copy any of those files from C:\9!M to any location on your hard drive(s), please feel free to do so.

I also urge you to review the "FAQ" section in READ1ST.TXT whenever you have time, for detailed explanations about other/similar/more issues/questions/wishes/requests/etc you might be wondering/wanting to know about:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
Also, to learn which files are installed by all 98SE2ME options, please review the "98SE2ME.PIF COMPLETE GUIDE" section in READ1ST.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
I'm sure if you do, you will find answers to at least [some of] your questions/requests/suggestions/etc, and you will also understand better the meaning/purpose of the 98SE2ME package, and also what kind of testing is required to make sure everything works as bug-free as possible.
Thanks for your time.

HTH

I just reinstalled 98SE2ME and REGSVR32.EXE installed properly
but at 1st i didn't have it on my system thanx

I think i might have missed some of your points and you might have missed some of mines
what i mean by a (X)tras is
EXAMPLE:
if i wanted to installed Windows Movie Maker,Infared Monitor,etc
I would be forced to install option 3 which changes my UI & its So So buggy which i don't won't at the present time.
But by me using KUP these same files are functional without option 3 installed, meaning i would
like to use these files without being forced to installed option 3 which may cause system conflict errors/instability with the KUP
I hope you understand
this would be a (Xtras) option for 98SE2ME/KUP users.
SORRY BOUT THE LONG FILE LIST
I didn't know if you had test some of those files
Now 98SE2ME users can test the files that you haven't

also a lot of the files i have listed does work on win98SE
that are not included in 98SE2ME
my test method if different from yours i'm sure.
This is how i test
I check every program on my system thats installed to see
if everything is working which it does.
Before and After a new app installation i do the same check
to see if it caused any problems
This is how I am able to detect a problem if any.

Also i installed KUP with 98SE2ME option 3 successfully without Unicode support.YOU MUST NOT INSTALL UNICODE SUPPORT.
Also with option 3 installed the icon arrows reappear, can you fix this.

!

For completeness:

Official download from Microsoft - version 1.50.1085.5
Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) CORE 1.5 (Windows 95/98)
Software Requirements:
1. Microsoft® Internet Explorer version 5 or later
2. Operating System: Windows 95, 98, 98SE
File Size: 3,101,672 bytes
File Date: 1-Feb-2000
File Version: 1.50.1085.5

Windows Management Instrumentation (WMI) CORE 1.5 (Windows 95/98/NT 4.0)
Software Requirements:
1. Microsoft® Internet Explorer version 5 or later
2. Operating System – Windows 95, 98, 98SE, NT4 (SP4 or greater)
File Size: 6,710,736 bytes
File Date: 12-May-2000
File Version: 1.50.1085.5

Files from Windows Me uploaded by PROBLEMCHYLD:
Files Date: 8-Jun-2000
Files Version: 1.50.1164.0

CIMWIN.DLL from Q285895
File Date: 26-Jan-2001
File Version: 1.50.1085.0048

WBEMPROX.DLL from Q282949
File Date: 9-Jan-2001
File Version: 1.50.1085.0045

I.e. the files from Q282949 and Q285895 are newer than files in Windows Me, but with lower version number.

Petr

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I apologize if I missed some of your points, but I need accurate terms/grammar/syntax if I am to understand exactly what some1 means, it's just the way my mind works.
These are my thoughts regarding your comments + suggestions...

About WMI...
Thanks for taking the trouble of uploading the WMI files from ME, but it is not necessary. I do have a WinME setup CD [], and to obtain a full list, all one needs to do is open WBEM.INF from WinME CD [or from %windir%\INF if a WinME install is available] in Notepad, and look at the CopyFiles sections.
Please keep also in mind that in all Win98 editions [98SE included] WMI can only be installed from the internet [MS web update] as an optional component, it is not included on the 98SE setup CD:
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#WMI
That's why I did not add the WinME WMI files to 98SE2ME.
I cannot ask users to install WMI from the internet [without which WinME WMI files would be useless] just because 98SE2ME wants to install the WMI files from WinME on their computers.
Think about this for a second: some users may not even have an internet connection [rare cases but true, I know somebody who never cared about the internet, and on whose computer I have installed 98SE2ME successfully] and/or may not want to/care to/worry about install(ing) WMI [for example, I don't care about WMI/WBEM, I always installed it (and then uninstalled it soon afterwards) strictly for experimental/testing purposes].

About the long list of files...
Please see this:
http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#NEVER
because it contains all WinME files I found to be incompatible with 98SE, and that should never be installed on 98SE OS.
This URL also included in READ1ST.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
under the "FAQ" section [which, as I said before, is a must read if you wish to experiment with files other than the ones included in 98SE2ME]:This also refers [as stated above] to all who would like to experiment with/test WinME files other than the ones already included in 98SE2ME.
This also states that testing of such files must be done as thorough as possible, by adding small groups of files that depend on each other as listed in the INF files and with examples of tools capable to detect/monitor such interdependencies properly.
Just by testing apps/games/tools/etc with some files [selected using any criteria other than stated here and in READ1ST.TXT] does not prove [validate] nor disproves [invalidates] a file's or group of files' (in)compatibility.
Testing system files with apps/games/tools/etc should constitute only the last step in such experiments.
If you would like to experiment with WinME files on your computer, please feel free, and if you find out that some work properly with 98SE [after testing as described above], please post here your detailed findings so we can all benefit.
IMHO:
A proper experiment should include complete step-by-step instructions on how it has been achieved and all special conditions [if any] necessary for certain files to work properly.
BTW:
Some of the executables you list are DOS tools that work only with WinME [unless you add proper setver lines to your autoexec.bat or if you hex-edit them and/or command.com/io.sys to disable OS version/build check]. Examples:
debug.exe
Deltree.exe
Diskcopy.exe
Doskey.exe
fc.exe
format.com
label.exe
more.exe
sort.exe
subst.exe
sys.com
xcopy.exe
xcopy32.exe
Please understand also that I have been testing WinME files with 98SE OS for over 5 years, which means that I have probably tested most of the files that can be tested in normal conditions on my computer and on a few others.
I cannot test certain files because of specific hardware requirements [examples: LCD monitors, DVI monitors, serial ports, certain printer types, dial-up/analog/winmodem/56k/ISDN/xDSL/satellite modems, digital cameras, USB sticks, webTV, infrared devices, wireless devices, FireWire devices and many others], because I do not have such hardware, therefore proper testing is impossible on my computer.
Other WinME files are binary identical with the ones from 98SE [mscdex.exe].
Others have less/buggy/limited/crippled functionality even if they have newer/higher version numbers.
Others don't matter, because they have identical functionality, like the clip*.* files:
CLIPBOOK.EXE
CLIPBRD.EXE
CLIPSRV.EXE
Others are older [and most likely buggy] than the files that can be installed from MS official/unofficial updates/patches/fixes/etc.
And I can go on and on, but the size of this post is becoming way too huge, and unfortunately my time is limited.

About adding movie maker [MM]...
Just because MM [and/or other few files] work(s) with KUP, doesn't make MM/other files proper candidate(s) for inclusion into 98SE2ME.
Let me explain:
Same as with WMI/WBEM, I can't force anybody to install KUP just because 98SE2ME wants to install MM/other files which work only with KUP installed, regardless if option 3 is installed or not.
And this is valid for all 98SE2ME files + options:
all users must have the choice to install unaltered WinME files which should always work with unaltered 98SE files, because [as I said before and is also stated in READ1ST.TXT] 98SE2ME is only a general purpose replacement package, not a tweak/patch/mod/similar tool/package.
The way I see this, 98SE2ME and SP2 [for example] are for everybody [general purpose]. On the other hand RP, KUP, 98lite are only for a certain "niche" audience [a.k.a. power users, tweakers] willing to experiment with different settings/files/tweaks/mods/etc.
If any1 wants to install KUP/RP/similar tweaks/mods/etc that is their choice, that's why these packages are available separately. Please understand that KUP, RP, 98lite etc have completely different purposes, and should not be mixed with 98SE2ME or SP2 or NUSB or similar packages.
And it is also important to understand that all 98SE users regardless of additional/optional/etc components/upgrades/etc should be able to install as many 98SE2ME options [except option 3, of course] as possible, without having to worry about being required to install anything else before installing 98SE2ME.

How to fix desktop icons overlay:
http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#PSBF

HTH

Thanks for your patience with me
the only way 4 me 2 learn is to seek and asked questions
but thanks again
I also edit the long file list and believe it got shorter
after your posted readme.txt links
but there are still a great deal of files that are not
included in 98SE2ME that works
All the files you have listed that are buggy
has been removed from the list. So you have the remains of files that are possibilties.
PLEASE take a 2nd look at the revised list.
I'm trying 2 squeeze every possible newer better file out of WinMe
so that i can to make my Win98SE the best OS ever with the help of u
and others of course.
The day i see 98SE2ME Final Build is when i will be comfortable with my OS.

I've been unable to get power management to work on this computer with Win98SE2ME installed although I've had no problem on two other computers and power management works fine on this one without Win98SE2ME. I have a feeling that if I could find an ME driver for for my monitor, it might work. Can anyone tell me how I might locate and extract a driver for my monitor from my ME setup disks?

KRH:

Most monitors need only INF files to install drivers, in fact most of these drivers are fake, not actual files.
Majority of monitors are automatically detected [PnP] and install ok from within Windows INF files, which are already installed into %windir%\INF [usually C:\WINDOWS\INF] by Windows setup.
These files are:
MONITOR.INF
MONITOR2.INF
MONITOR3.INF
MONITOR4.INF
MONITOR6.INF
MONITOR7.INF
MONITR10.INF
MONITR11.INF

But depending on what monitor [type/make/model, CRT, LCD, plasma etc] you have, you may need a specific driver [and/or INF file] from your monitor manufacturer/vendor/developer.
Check their web site(s) for details.

Also, please keep in mind that some system files installed by 98SE2ME [like USER32.DLL + USER.EXE] may not be compatible with stand by/resume ACPI/APM power saving features.
These BUGs + their FIXes are all detailed in READ1ST.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
under the "KNOWN BUGS + FIXES" section.
Basically you need to (re)install USER32.DLL + USER.EXE 4.10.2231 from Win98 SE hotfix [English]:
http://ftp.isu.edu.tw/pub/CPatch/msupdate/.../291362usa8.exe
When prompted to overwrite newer files [the ones from WinME = 4.90.3001], answer Yes , and then reboot.
Win98 SE USER*.* files are also installed by Gape's SP2:
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html

HTH

power management works on my sister computer
but she have this past January version of 98SE2ME i haven't seen her
in a while to update it to June version
but it used to work on my computer too up until
now even without a monitor driver maybe it just a baby bug

I don't use power management anymore i used a VBs timer script to shutdown my computer.
power management is still a nice function 2 use

Is it possible to change the Batch output to like a more unique
UI don't get me wrong i love your work but you r playin in the big leagues now
and i think a nice UI wouldn't hurt it a bit.

I find 98SE2Me to be user-firendly enough. It's not intended for the majority of users, just the advanced power user that isn't worried about screwing up their system... Console apps own.

Its nothing wrong with it or anything i just thought
a lil enhancement would be nice.I have to agree it does it job
no matter what UI output it has i guess thats what matters the most.

Thanks for your suggestion.

I've thought of switching to another ["prettier"] UI, but that would add to the size of the installer, and would require complete overhaul of some of the scripts, which are entirely based on BATch scripting right now.

Maybe sometime in the future...

Can you consider this in 98SE2ME?

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=&...st&p=531455

Thanks I love the abilities of this!

98SE2ME.EXE installer already uses LZMA compression [7-zip 7Z format] which in turn is used by Inno Setup, the setup installer I use to pack 98SE2ME with:Quoted from 98SE2ME READ1ST.TXT, the "UNINSTALL 98SE2ME" section:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT

Is this what you were referring to, or did you mean to backup the original 98SE files replaced by option 1 + 2 in CAB format instead of just copying them to other directories?
Please note that the files backed up by 98SE2ME options 1 + 2 take only ~ 24-30 MB, depending on which files are present on your HD at the time of the backup.
Full OS backup, on the other hand, takes the same amount [basically doubles the HD space occupied by your OS, since this is an identical copy of your original 98SE OS] of disk space 98SE already takes on your HD [405 MB in my case, and I have "trimmed" a lot of files + folders].
Average 98SE OS [entire %windir% + subdirectories + all files contained in them] takes ~ 500 MB or more.
To compress in CAB or ZIP format the files replaced [24-30 MB uncompressed] doesn't take too long to process [even on slower CPUs], but to compress the entire OS into a CAB or ZIP, takes a very long time, even on fast CPUs.
Please keep in mind that smaller the size of the archive file would be, the slower the compression process would be.

If you wish to compress your entire OS copy, you could use WinZip, PowerArchiver, PKZIP, 7-zip [7za.exe is the comand line tool which can be used in batch files], etc:
http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#ZIP
Note that zipfldr.dll only extracts files from CABs, cannot create CABs.
To create cabs, you need either iexpress.exe [free from M$]:
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#INF
or similar 3rd party tool, like PowerArchiver [shareware].
Examples:
- M$ CAB SDK [contains iexpress.exe + makecab.exe, free, command line tools]:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=310618
- CabPack [freeware, large file size, GUI only tool]:
http://www.larshederer.homepage.t-online.de/english.htm
- MsCab plugin for Total Commander [you must have Total Commander to use MsCab, free]:
http://www.mscab.prv.pl/

Besides, I would have to add a CAB or ZIP command line tool to 98SE2ME, and some are not free(ware), and these tools will also add to the file size.
For example:
- MAKECAB.EXE [150 KB] = large file size [free from M$, can be used].
- 7ZA.EXE file [466 KB] = huge file size [free GPL, can be used].
- PKZIP.EXE [51 KB] = small file size [shareware, cannot be used in packages like 98SE2ME because of its license].
And among other things, I'm trying to keep 98SE2ME.EXE file size to a minimum [2.67 MB as of 6-1-2006], because some people still connect to the internet using dial-up/analog/56k modems, and 98SE2ME is targeted to everybody, not only to high speed broadband or fast CPU users.

HTH

If you are referring to Ryan's WM and/or WPI, please note that this is the *wrong* forum.
This forum's title is "98SE2ME = Killer Replacements: ME -> 98 SE", because deals strictly with 98SE2ME [Windows 98 SE and ME OSes] and related topics.

Please post any comments you may have about Windows NTx OSes, NT4, 2000, XP, 2003, Vista, etc, 32 or 64 bit and/or related tools/tweaks/scripts/etc into the appropriate MSFN forums:
http://www.msfn.org/board/
or:
http://www.msfn.org/board/?showforum=95

HTH

Check this out
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=&...st&p=532271

I've seen your post.
Thanks.

I'll test MM again when I have the time.

RSRCMTR.EXE
doesn't copy to C:\Windows or to any directory at all.


http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?s=&...st&p=532844

RSRCMTR.EXE is extracted from WinME setup CAB and copied to %windir% only if another RSRCMTR.EXE file is already present in %windir%.
Otherwise RSRCMTR.EXE is not copied anywhere.
I did this [please see related C:\9!M\E0!X.BAT lines = open it in Notepad] because some people [myself included ] either moved RSRCMTR.EXE from %windir% somewhere else or deleted it.

Thanks for the MM clarification.
I haven't had time to test it anyway.
I got your PM with the hex code to patch shell32.dll in order for MM to work.
I'll do this [eventually] in the near future.
I also need a tool [do you know any?] to create that patch and then apply it to the original file.
I presume shell32.dll must be the one from WinME setup CD.
Or I could use [probably, did no test] the hexed versions of MM by X-max, which are part of his 98SE Upgrade pack:
http://www.bpa23.host.sk/wupg.html
Thanks.

I have just installed 98se2me option 1 on my system and everything appears to work ok (I enjoy playing Spider solitaire on a windows 98SE system) however one small problem I now have is that Windows now no longer shuts down. I have tried reinstalling SP2a as described in the FAQ but it has had no effect. Suggestions please?

When you installed Gape's SP2, if you haven't selected to overwrite newer USER.EXE + USER32.DLL files with older ones, this did not work.

If re-installing SP 2.1a didn't fix this, you may want to replace USER*.* files manually, as quoted from READ1ST.TXT [the "98SE2ME.PIF COMPLETE GUIDE" section, under "* Option 2:"]:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXTHTH

Yes your right if the thing you're meaning is that KUP adds missing APIs that other progs also require.

The computer still doesn’t shut down with 98se2me installed. I have tried the above suggestion plus all the normal 98SE tricks including disabling system restore!!! Strangely the computer “system restarts” correctly. It hangs just before the message “it is now safe to switch off your computer” The computer is an AT type. Any more ideas.

When you get time can you test this file cause its not included in the Upnp updates
UPNPUI.DLL

Sounds to me like your shutdown problem is not related to 98SE2ME, but to some buggy system file(s) and/or system setting(s).
I've never heard before of any shutdown issues due to installing 98SE2ME.

Most common setting that usually fixes this, is to disable "FastReboot", as described here:
http://www.mdgx.com/98-1.htm#98ESS://http:.../98-1.htm#98ESS
More tips here:
[url=http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#FWUE]http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#FWUE://http://www.mdgx.com/98-1.htm#98ESS:...m/98-5.htm#FWUE

FYI:
System Restore installs + works only in WinME, not in Win98, no matter the 98 edition.

Troubleshoot shutdown issues in Windows 98 + 98 SE:

* Microsoft Windows 98 SE APM Battery Computer Lockup VPOWERD.VXD 4.10.2225 Fix:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246817
Direct download [158 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/Q246817.EXE
More info:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=246615
Requires Windows 98 SE Shutdown Supplement below already installed!

* Microsoft Windows 98 SE Shutdown Supplement TSHOOT98.CHM, MSCONFIG.EXE 4.10.2223, APMBATT.SYS 4.10.2223, CONFIGMG.VXD 4.10.2222, PCI.VXD 4.10.2223 + VPOWERD.VXD 4.10.2223 Fixes:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=239887
Direct download [504 KB, English]:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/d/d...b2c/4756US8.EXE
REQUIRED READING:
- MSKB: How to Troubleshoot Windows 98 SE Shutdown Problems:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=238096
- MSKB: How to Troubleshoot Windows 98 + 98 SE Shutdown Problems:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=202633
- MSKB: Windows 98 Troubleshooters:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot/
- James: Windows 98 SE Shutdown Troubleshooter:
http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shtdwnse.htm
- James: Windows 95, 98 + ME Shutdown Troubleshooter:
http://www.aumha.org/win4/a/shutdown.htm

* Microsoft Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE Power Management Troubleshooter PMTSHOOT.EXE 1.30 + PMTSHOOT.VXD 1.10.0001 Update:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=185949
Direct download [158 KB, English]:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win...US/pmtshoot.exe

* Microsoft Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE Troubleshooter HTML Help TSHOOT.OCX 1.0.1.2123 + TSHOOT98.CHM Update:
http://support.microsoft.com/support/windows/tshoot/
Direct download [385 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/TSHOOT98.ZIP
Unofficial Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE HTML Help Troubleshooting Guide Fix [178 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/98TSHOOT.EXE
More info:
- ERPMan: Windows 98 Troubleshooters Fix Guide:
http://erpman1.tripod.com/current/98tshoot.html
- Practically Nerded: Windows 98 Troubleshooter Fix:
http://dundats.mvps.org/windows/win98/98_Tshootr.htm

All updates + guides above found here:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#98SE

HTH

I'll add this file to options 1 + 2 in the near future [together with clipsrv.exe].
I'll also add irmon.exe to option 3.
I'm also considering adding modded MM from X-mas W98UPG Pack to options 1 + 2, but I need more time for testing.

All this, time permitting.

I'll update this thread when I post the updates.

thanks

Why don't you add webvw.dll from MS05-049 to Option 3? It works on ME with no problem, and it only has 2 missing dependencies in 98SE, both in shell32.dll. What you could do is renumber it in Resource Hacker to 5.50.4134.7061.

Also, a little note about Internet Games on your site. 2003 SP1 does not include ANY of the games.

the_guy

Thanks for the tips.
I'll see what I can do.

BTW:
This is what I say here:
http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#SS
Nothing about Win2003 SP1.

HTH

What I meant was that 2003 does not include ANY games.

the_guy

Thanks.
I've tried a late beta of Win2003, and it had the internet games.
I guess they removed them in final/Gold/RTM edition.

PROBLEMCHYLD:

I did not add UPNPUI.DLL nor IRMON.EXE because:
- I don't have any infrared devices to test IR*.* files from WinME CD.
If you wish to test the IR files from WinME CD:
IRPROPS.CPL
INFRARED.DLL
IR_NDI.DLL
IRCAMERA.DLL
WSPIRDA.DLL
IRFTP.EXE
IRMON.EXE
INFRARED.INF
IRCAMERA.INF
IRDA.INF
IRMINI.INF
IRDA.SYS
IRMINI.SYS
WSPIRDAK.SYS
RCOMM.VXD
IRENUM.VXD
on your 98SE OS, please do so, and let me know if they work [or if they don't].
Open the INF files in Notepad to view interdependencies, file locations, registry keys, regsvr32 registration etc.
You must have at least 1 IR device plugged into one of the serial [IR] ports of your computer mobo or into a 3rd party ISA/PCI add-on card.
- UPNPUI.DLL is tied into the UPnP files, but *only* if WinXP ICS is *also* installed *and* properly networked.
Without WinXP ICS/network, UPnP files are useless.
And besides, 98SE doesn't include the other UPnP files [which can be downloaded separately]:

* Microsoft Windows 98/98 SE + ICS UPnP Unchecked Buffer System Compromise
SSDPAPI.DLL, UPNP.DLL + SSDPSRV.EXE 4.90.3003 Security Vulnerability Fix:
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/...n/ms01-059.mspx
Direct download [223 KB, English]:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/win.../314941USA8.EXE
More info:
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=314941
Requires Windows XP ICS client already installed!
MSKB: Internet Connection Sharing (ICS):
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=234815
MSKB: Universal Plug and Play (UPnP):
http://support.microsoft.com/?id=262458
How to install UPnP Security Vulnerability Fix on Windows 98/98 SE without
Windows XP ICS Client:
1. Make sure Windows 98/98 SE ICS is already installed + properly configured:
http://www.windowsnetworking.com/j_helmig/icsclnt.htm
More info:
http://www.annoyances.org/exec/show/ics_98/
2. Create C:\TEMP (example) from a DOS box:
MD C:\TEMP
3. Download 314941USA8.EXE (see above) into C:\TEMP.
4. Run:
C:\TEMP\314941USA8.EXE /C /Q /T:C:\TEMP
5. Copy these 3 files from C:\TEMP into %windir%\SYSTEM (usually
C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM):
COPY/Y C:\TEMP\SSDPAPI.DLL %windir%\SYSTEM
COPY/Y C:\TEMP\UPNP.DLL %windir%\SYSTEM
COPY/Y C:\TEMP\SSDPSRV.EXE %windir%\SYSTEM
overwriting existing ones (if any).
6. Run:
%windir%\SYSTEM\SSDPSRV.EXE
7. Create a new shortcut to %windir%\SYSTEM\SSDPSRV.EXE into
%windir%\Start Menu\Programs\Startup .
8. Delete C:\TEMP.

Therefore, because the purpose of 98SE2ME is to replace 98SE files with ME files, adding the UPnP files only adds to the size of the installer [which is now 3 MB because I just added Movie Maker ], serving no other purpose.

HTH

hey MDGx. I did test out your 98SE2ME pack yesterday on a Win98se PC. I will say that when I used option 1 to install 98SE2ME (it took a while), the multiple screen saver icon bug occured as mentioned in MS article 280722. However, when I installed 98SE2ME with option 3 to install the WinME Explorer/Shell interface, the multiple screen saver bug was mostly fixed and prevented the bug from getting out of control. With the ME Explorer GUI installed under Win98se and testing out an MS screen saver, it'll now only display ONE screen saver icon and not display multiple screen saver icons when running a screen saver & coming out from it subsequent times. It was just like that in a normal WinME machine.

so the problem in MS article 280722 is mitigated by using the ME Explorer GUI under Win98se

Good point.
I'll mention this fix in 98SE2ME READ1ST.TXT in the next release.

Thanks.

I have added this to the "KNOWN BUGS + FIXES" section of READ1ST.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
HTH

When ever you get time can you test and add these files
cardfile.exe
sigverif.exe
winpopup.exe
upwizun.exe
1.when i share folders over my network the hand is missing under the folder
but when i install option 3 it appears but i have to uninstall option 3 because explorer keeps crashing

2.I'm using WinXP Internet games and the ones from 98SE2ME its overwriting them can you fix this
not just with the games but with all files that are newer
it also overwrite TuneUp.exe from Plus98 which is newer than WinME

Also can you re-test WMI files cause i think i need them to run other WinMe components
I'm tryin really hard to get System Restore working.
You can always set it up like
Thanks
98SE2ME for Life

Actually tuneup.exe from Plus! 98 is older than the 1 from ME:

TUNEUP.EXE 4.10.0.1998 = Plus! 98 setup CD
TUNEUP.EXE 4.90.0.3000 = WinME setup CD

I don't use WMI, I have deleted all related files.
Every time I tried WMI files from WinME, didn't work.
I understand that WMI has [probably] something to do with SR/WFP, but to change WinME system files code to match Win98SE [and/or the other way around] is not likely to happen in this life, unless you want to spend lots of time trying.
And unfortunately I don't have neither the time nor the programming background necessary to do this.

I'll test these files in the near future:

cardfile.exe
sigverif.exe
winpopup.exe

and will add them to 98SE2ME [probably option 2] if they work.

This file:

upwizun.exe

is only an uninstaller, has nothing to do with the OS itself.

HTH

-uh oh...
...
-I ran 98se2me (Option #2) for the first time in a few months, and here's the problems:
.
1) leftovers:
.
A. it created (and left) two new dirs in root of C drive: "%WINDIR%" (empty, except for an empty folder called "Tasks"), and "9S2M" (not empty; 49 MB of 666 files)
.
B. it left this junk at the end of AUTOEXEC.BAT:
.
IF EXIST C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI32.DLL C:\9!M\ATTRIB.COM/B +A -H -R -S C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI32.DLL
IF EXIST C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI32.DLL COPY/Y/Z C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI32.DLL C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI32.W98
IF EXIST C:\9!M\GDI32.DLL COPY/Y/Z C:\9!M\GDI32.DLL C:\9S2M\SYSTEM
IF EXIST C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI.EXE C:\9!M\ATTRIB.COM/B +A -H -R -S C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI.EXE
IF EXIST C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI.EXE COPY/Y/Z C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI.EXE C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM\GDI.W98
IF EXIST C:\9!M\GDI.EXE COPY/Y/Z C:\9!M\GDI.EXE C:\9S2M\SYSTEM
IF EXIST C:\9!M\98MEDOS.BAT CALL C:\9!M\98MEDOS.BAT
.
2) it did NOT create any backups of the replaced files, even tho I told it to...
.
3) it doesn't seem to have made any replacements (I only checked a few files, tho), even tho it appeared to execute properly...
...
???
(I'll hold off on running Options #3,8 til we work out this stuff first...)
...
...
* EDIT: hmm, it must have changed/replaced SOMETHING, because my recycle bin has been reset again (always happens after 98se2me runs... I always have to change it back to "Do not move files to recycle bin")
?

PsycoUnc:

I've tried all 8 options twice each, and all worked ok [no errors, all files copied ok] on my tweaked system and also on a fresh [from-scratch] install.
Please notice that there is now file check and version check in place to detect if certain files [all files in %windir%, %windir%\sysbckup, %windir%\system\iosubsys, all ME files from C:\9!M which are newer than the ones from the ME setup cd, all files in C:\Program Files\GameZone, etc] are already installed. If newest versions are already installed, those files are not copied over anymore.

Please download 98SE2ME.EXE one more time [3 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/4
98SE2ME.EXE you had might have been corrupted... [?]

Please try again at your convenience, and please let me know if it works ok.

Thanks for your feedback.

First off... Kudos for the long/hard great work and enthusiasm to keep this project going!

A few issues... After using Option 1/2

After playing ring around the rosey with hardware and situating IRQ's I managed to get Shutdown and
Restart/Restart into MSDos issues worked out for the most part.
However I still had a problem with the Monitor going into Standby. After perusing I found that it appears the
User.exe & User32.dll from WinMe 4.90.301 appears to be the cause so I replaced them with the 98SE
4.10.2231. That looks to have done the trick ... Now the only little quirk left is shutting down into MsDos works
but when trying to restart Win with the 'exit' command it hangs before reaching the gui. Is there something
I missed or is there a workaround for this?

The other issue is JET/MDAC related. Oddly - While typing this I decided to confirm the issue and get exact
error messages but mysteriously part of the issues appear to be resolved now.. Could they have been
caused by the WinME (user*.*) files as well?

I was getting errors when running an app called "Thumbs Plus" from Cerious Software.
The errors occur while creating/scanning a new database or while working with a pre-existing.

One error being "... Microsoft Jet Db engine cannot open the file ... It is already opened exclusively by another user or you need permission to view it's data"
Another which now I can't replicate was during creation causing the app to shutdown.

I know all the above is pretty vague but if you tell me the 'user*.*' files could have been the cause
I'll chalk it up to that and not worry about it unless we want to try and fix it using the Win ME files.

---

Oh.. Any way to get the Win XP Systray Network/Monitor icon activity/functionality into 98SE?
I believe there were some 3rd part apps which I can't seem to find/recall at the moment but iirc they
either were overkill and didn't serve the simple purpose of being able to see network activity.

Best Regards

1. Your answer is here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/?s=&showtopi...st&p=547939
or see READ1ST.TXT, the "KNOWN BUGS + FIXES" section:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT

2. About Jet database errors...
Make sure you have all Jet updates + patches installed for your OS:
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#JET
IMO, I don't think the USER*.* files from WinME have anything to do with Jet errors.

3. 3rd party network/internet monitors [free(ware)]:
http://www.mdgx.com/fw.htm#MNT

Hope this helps

Best wishes.

This WinME file is binary identical with the 1 from 98 SE setup CD.
Version is also the same [3.10], it's the very old Win3.1 16-bit file.

I don't know of anybody who uses cardfile currently.

HTH

Ok call it initially lazy and then later sleep deprived.
I knew I should have tracked all the changes I made before later realizing there were issues and spend 3x+ as long going circles trying to figure out why & when it occurred.
The sleep deprived part is why I didn't just replace the user files back to the ME versions before posting to see
if the Jet errors were there again.. Doing so now they are not. So obviously some other God only knows reason
caused them. Normally which would bug me to find out but not worth the efforts since it was an isolated event.
So Jet/MDAC issue resolved as it works with either the WinME or 98SE user*.* files.

Now regarding the restart into dos issue I'm not sure you understood me unless I totally missed the fix again.

The problem is while in dos if I use the "exit" command the system no longer restarts into the Windows GUI, as it hangs while trying. This now occurs whether I use the (user*.*) WinME files or Win98SE files. I can restart into dos whether I use the WinME or 98SE files I just can't restart windows from there.
You also mention the "vpowerd.vxd" being totally different from the WinME but I don't see it ever being
replaced w/option 1 or 2. The version installed is the 98SE v4.10.2225.
Out of curiousity are you aware of what actually changed between the later 98SE and ME versions of the user files?
It appears there a few issues regarding using the ME files and wonder why not just leave them using the 98SE versions unless you use option 3.

P.S. Thanks for the 'netmonitor' links.. Ill have to sift through them and see which/if one fits the bill being low overhead & simply show network traffic.

WEBVW.DLL should be re-numbered to version 5.50.4134.7069 not 5.50.4134.7061. The webvw.dll file for Win2k SP4 KB900725 update is version 5.00.3900.7069.

I just did a clean install on my sister computer today.
But before i did she had a older version of 98SE2ME
12-14-05 and yes power management on her computer did work and on many others i had installed it on.And the computer shuts down properly
Since the latest update its not working anymore.
I'm sure its a small bug thats all.I know if i install gape sp i can fix it
Also the computers hangs on shutdown.It don't shut down at all.I have press the power button.