**Tell the forums about your first time with 95 and not the horror stories but some good times with the os that started a sensation....

I admit I was part of the 1st line of customers at Office Depot on August 15 1995 [early AM] to get the Windows 95 CD the day it came out.

10 years later I'm still running the "beefed up" Win9x OS [98SE + SP 2.0.1 + 98SE2ME + 98SE2XP (private project) + 98SE22K3 (private project)] + XP SP2 in separate partition + Knoppix 3.6 Linux distro.
Never had to reinstall any OS "fresh" [from scratch], never reformatted any of my HDs [had ~ 6 in 10 years = always use 2 HDs at the same time, sometimes in RAID 1+0]:
- 1995: upgraded from 95 retail (FE) to OSR1 [95 SP1 fix]
- 1995: purchased Plus! for 95 CD
- 1996: upgraded to OSR 2.0 [purchased 95B OSR 2.0 OEM CD]
- 1996: started my 1st web site
- 1996: upgraded to OSR 2.1 [usbsupp fix]
- 1997: upgraded to OSR 2.5 [purchased 95C OSR 2.5 OEM CD]
- 1997: purchased MSDN training kit: WinNT4 Server CD + SQL Server for NT4 CD
- 1998: upgraded to 98 retail (FE) [purchased upgrade 98 FE CD = was $40]
- 1998: purchased Plus! for 98 CD
- 1999: upgraded to 98 SP1 [Y2K, Y2K2, IE4 + OE4 fixes]
- 1999: upgraded to 98 SE [purchased 98 SE Updates CD = was $20]
- 2000: MSDN training kit deal got me free Win2000 Server CD + SQL Server 2000 CD
- 2000: upgraded to ME [purchased ME Updates CD = was $20]
- 2001: upgraded to XP OEM [purchased XP OEM CD for cheap bundled with $1 power cable ]
- 2001: purchased Plus! for XP CD
- 2001: installed Mandrake Linux - didn't like it: uninstalled
- 2002: upgraded to XP SP1 fix
- 2003: upgraded to XP SP1a fix
- 2003: purchased Plus! XP Digital Media Edition
- 2003: installed trial of 2003 Server CD - didn't like it: uninstalled
- 2003: installed Knoppix Linux 3.3
- 2004: upgraded to XP SP2 fix
- 2004: installed Knoppix Linux 3.4
- 2005: upgraded to 2003 Server SP1 fix - didn't like it: uninstalled
- 2005: installed Knoppix Linux 3.6
- 2005: got free XP Pro 64-bit trial CD
- 2005: got free XP Pro 64-bit CD from MS upgrade program

... and once in a blue moon I'm still using Windows for WorkGroups 3.11 + MS-DOS 6.22, which I installed way back in 1993.
Never tried NT 3.0, 3.1, 3.5 or 3.51.
Also tried at some point in time: DR-DOS, IBM-DOS, OS/2, Novell DOS, FreeDOS, BeOS 5.0 + various Linux distros: Corel, Red Hat, TurboLinux, Ubuntu, Lindows (Linspire).
Never used any other MS software except OSes + Plus! packs.

Wrote my own history - didn't like it: deleted
Anything special?

Even Office?!

Most of these files are posted here [the XP SP2 project]:
http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#KRM9S
and some included in this patch [the 2003 SP1 project]:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#HHU

Right now I'm using all files listed at page above from XP SP2 and all files below from 2003 SP1 [complete list includes XP SP2 files]:

%windir%:
from XP SP2:
EXTRAC32.EXE
from 2003 SP1:
HH.EXE

%windir%\FONTS:
from 2003 SP1:
ARIAL.TTF
ARIALBD.TTF
ARIALBI.TTF
ARIALI.TTF
COUR.TTF
COURBD.TTF
COURBI.TTF
COURI.TTF
GEORGIA.TTF
GEORGIAB.TTF
GEORGIAI.TTF
GEORGIAZ.TTF
MICROSS.TTF
TAHOMA.TTF
TAHOMABD.TTF
TIMES.TTF
TIMESBD.TTF
TIMESBI.TTF
TIMESI.TTF
VERDANA.TTF
VERDANAB.TTF
VERDANAI.TTF
VERDANAZ.TTF
from XP SP2:
COMIC.TTF
KARTIKA.TTF
LSANS.TTF
LSANSD.TTF
LSANSDI.TTF
LSANSI.TTF
TREBUC.TTF
VRINDA.TTF

%windir%\SYSTEM:
from 2003 SP1:
HHCTRL.OCX
HHSETUP.DLL
ITIRCL.DLL
ITSS.DLL
MSHTML.TLB
MSHTMLED.DLL
MSHTMLER.DLL
RICHED20.DLL
USP10.DLL
from XP SP2:
L3CODECA.ACM
WMV8DS32.AX
WMVDS32.AX
ADVPACK.DLL
ASFERROR.DLL
BROWSELC.DLL
CABINET.DLL
MSPMSP.DLL
MSSCP.DLL
MSWMDM.DLL
PNGFILT.DLL
SHDOCLC.DLL
SQLSRV32.DLL
WMDMLOG.DLL
WMDMPS.DLL
WMERROR.DLL
WMPASF.DLL
WMPCD.DLL
WMPCORE.DLL
WMPDXM.DLL
WMPLOC.DLL
WMPNS.DLL
WMPSHELL.DLL
WMPUI.DLL
WMSDMOE.DLL
WMSTREAM.DLL
ASCTRLS.OCX
WMP.OCX
AMCOMPAT.TLB
NSCOMPAT.TLB

Especially Office.

Umm, Gag, Cough. All that and never formatted?

I am not worthy!!! I am not worthy!!!

Yeah but, what about after you updated to Windows Me? Um (still gaging in respectful shock), didn't you need to format when you went back to 98SE? Are you saying you also successfully uninstalled Windows Me? And you now have installed all these updates to 98SE and everything still runs great?

If so, you are a Windows G_D!

Naaah... I just try different stuff 1st.
If I recall correctly, after I installed ME, all I had to do was open File Manager, copy all 98SE boot files [from backup] back to C:\ root, to overwrite the ME ones [COMMAND.COM, IO.SYS, MSDOS.SYS, WINBOOT.INI, AUTOEXEC.BAT + CONFIG.SYS], and then hit the reset button on the PC case.
If u care to know about winboot.ini:
http://www.mdgx.com/newtip16.htm#WBINI
or msdos.sys:
http://www.mdgx.com/msdos.htm
I need to mention I don't keep HIMEM.SYS, IFSHLP.SYS, EMM386.EXE, MSCDEX.EXE, SMARTDRV.EXE and whatever other memory managers/drivers/tools in %windir% or %windir%\COMMAND, but moved them all to C:\MAX. Ans I don't keep COMMAND.COM in %windir%, but moved it to C:\ root and made reference of it in my config.sys:
SHELL=C:\COMMAND.COM C:\ /E:1024 /P /F
My boot files:
http://www.mdgx.com/mem7.htm
One of my [not so well kept ] secrets is that I boot to native MS-DOS, and only after that I start 98SE GUI from a separate batch file [C:\WIN.BAT].
If u care to know about WIN.BAT:
http://www.mdgx.com/newtip13.htm#BT2DOS
So, after rebooting with 98SE boot files in C:\ root, all I had to do was to rename the ME directory [C:\WME] to something else [like C:\WMEBK], and then rename the backed up [this is the key word: backed up] 98SE dir [C:\W98BK] back to C:\W98.
Then I moved WMEBK + "Program Files" to another hard disk, so I can restore it anytime by copying it back to C [from Windows Explorer or a dedicated batch file].
This way I keep separate copies of 98 FE, 98 SE, ME + XP on D.
Sorry, forgot to mention I renamed 98SE "C:\Program Files" to "C:\PROGRAMS".
Got tired of and deleted 95 OSR1, 95C OSR2.5, NT4, 2000 + 2003 a while back.
Last step: ran WIN.BAT from C:\ root [hint: C:\ root is added to my PATH statement in config.sys] to get into the 98SE GUI.
Oh, I almost forgot:
I keep all DOS based tools I need for file/dir operations in a separate dir [C:\MAX], and those tools are all MS-DOS revision "neutral": this means they are not from either MS-DOS 7.10 [a.k.a. Win98/98SE] nor MS-DOS 8.0 [a.k.a. WinME] which are all "locked" onto the specific release they are from [unless u use setver.exe, which is very primitive, and won't let u use newer tools with older MS-DOS releases], but freebies, most of them part of FreeDOS:
http://www.freedos.org/freedos/software/
and most of which are linked here:
http://www.mdgx.com/dos.htm
If u've seen the "FREE TOOLS" chapter from 98SE2ME READ1ST.TXT:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT
u know what I mean.
This allows me to copy/move/rename/etc files/dirs around independent of Win9x or MS-DOS release.

TIP:
To install any Win9x/ME release even if it won't let u install any older 1 from within Windows GUI, all u need to do is:
- exit Windows GUI to native MS-DOS or
- reboot to native MS-DOS,
and then install from there, because all Win9x setup CDs have a DOS based version of SETUP.EXE:
http://www.mdgx.com/last2.htm#SETUPSW
Of course, u need a CD/DVD driver in config.sys + mscdex [or similar]:
http://www.mdgx.com/drv.htm#CDR
also here:
http://www.mdgx.com/newtip1.htm#CDROM4
in autoexec.bat or config.sys so your PC can "see" your CD/DVD drive(s), unless u have copied all CABs on your HD [like I did].

BTW: Most of this stuff is posted at my site [list of all tips]:
http://www.mdgx.com/newtip.htm

That's it.

Just try different stuff. I thought that's what I did. I guess there are some things you can't learn from a Jedi.

Thanks, Darth MDGx.

Sorcery man, that's Windows Sith stuff.

See the movie yet?

I've seen Ep III 2 times already, the 1st time at the premiere: Thursday 12:01 am.
Had to stay 2 1/2 hours in line to get decent seats thou.
Liked it way better than I + II.
But I gotta say IV, V + VI are still the best IMHO.
My favorites:
1. VI
2. IV
3. V
4. III
5. I
6. II

You?


May the Force be with you.

spaceballs lol ..what is 95c ?

Windows 95C OSR 2.5 OEM only Setup CD-ROM build 4.03.1214 released in 1997.
See it here:
http://www.mdgx.com/win.htm
and here:
http://www.mdgx.com/ver.htm#TAB

Staying on topic doesn't apply.

Yeah, man I love those flicks.

3, 5, 4, 6, 1, 2 is my order of preference.

I went first to a Friday matinee with some friends, then to a Monday matinee myself. I'll try to hold off now for the eventual DVD but that'll be hard since you see it's my favorite. It was nice to have only a few people in the theatre since they were weekday afternoon's. I had a hard enough time getting my friends to shut up! Monday was nice and absorbing by myself and just a few like minded moviegoer's in the audience.

I also enjoyed 1 and 2, only something has to finish last!

The three best acting roles have got to be Palpitine, R2D2, and Darth Vader (costumed). That little guy in the R2D2 contraption always plays the hero! Best acting jobs were Ian McDiarmid and Harrison Ford. Han Solo was such a cool character.

I don't know. Between Lord Of the Rings and Star Wars I hardly feel the urge to watch anything else! (Is there anything else?)

Just kidding. But these 2 masterpieces are hard to beat. And as far as the goofy, silly parts in the 1st 2 SW films, life is full of goofy sillyness at times. There's a Jar-Jar in every crowd. Kind of wish he wasn't so gullable as to fall right in to giving Palpitine exactly what he wanted, but even the Jedi were fooled by him. Kind of liked the suspicious look Yoda gave him in the meeting where Obi-Wan was assigned to protect her in 2 though. He noticed that Palpitine knew exactly what Padme was going to say, word for word. Force like premonition, eh?

I remember purchasing my first PC with MS-DOS 6.22 & Windows 3.11 for Workgroups. It was fun. I was clueless. I didn't know what a folder was. Slowly, but steady I began to learn MS-DOS commands and it was fun. Win3.11 was a bit tricky for me, but I managed everything I needed in MS-DOS & NC. Then I bought a license for Win95OSR2 and more fun came along. Then Win98SE arrived on my PC and was love @ first sight.
Never had a BSOD in Win95OSR-2 and Win98SE.
Then WinXP Pro arrived on my old trusty PC, but the motherboard wasn't supported so, I've seen a couple of BSODs. I was excited. My first BSOD. My friends were complaining about BSOD, but for me it was a mistery until WinXP.
So, I bought a new PC and Win2k3 came out. I was curious. I've searched the net about Win2k3 reviews and I liked it. So I bought Win2k3EE. It's awesome. And now with SP1 (I really don't need it, but if it's free ) everything is wonderful.
Microsoft has done a very good job with Win2k3.

never tryed 2k3 but my first pc experience was watching a buddy install by disk 13 of them win 95 and he had a beavis and butt head screensaver at first he used it to play cds which i thought was cool cause he never had a cd player .i had win 98 then a friend installed 98se and wow .today i run xp pro sp2 and ill tell ya no bsod 4 me and very little spyware.when i had xp home on it 2001 man i got major spyware and them dam gray messenger popups .microsoft come a long way and now i hear eiger a stripped down version of xp geared 2 run on older pcs is on the way novel idea. but i will always remember the win 95 disk install and seeing the windows is loading 4 the first time logo .

[rant]

Cool stuff, Eck.

Darth Sidious:
Lord Vader...

Darth Vader:
Yes, my Master?

Darth Sidious:
RRRRRISSSSSE!

Bitchin...
What bothered me most in ep 3 was Hayden Christensen's acting skills [or the lack of ]. He got his act together a little better than in ep 1 + 2, but still, the same "flat" dialog style.
I've "bumped" into another movie [forgot the name] on HBO he has done since SW saga, I believe was made in 2003, and guess what... same acting style, as "flat" as ever. After watching only his SW movies, I thought his style was part of what George Lucas required him to do to improve his character, but after watching a fragment from his HBO movie, I gotta say, this guy has no acting skillz.

For the good parts thou... I think ep 3 is one of the best among all SW movies.
The plot, the tension, the action, and not even mention the ILM CG effects, are prime quality.
The CG effects [remember the opening battle scene?] I gotta say are [some of] the best + most complex [and hard to do] I've seen so far.

What do u mean?
The Matrix rulez! [the 1st one anyway]

And How 'bout Chronicles of Riddick [the sequel to Pitch Black]? I think that's a great sci-fi flic.
And talking about Pitch Black... my favorite TV sci-fi show is [still] Farscape.
And I'm not even going to mention any comic book based sci-fi films...

Have fun.

[/rant] over and out.

u guys remind me of comic book guy from the simpsons lol

Yeah, The Matrix was great.

And Hayden Christensen's style was perhaps what George Lucas wanted? Whatever. I won't argue. The films work and Lucas has gazillions to prove it.

Star Trek TOS and movies and Star Trek TNG and movies are great stuff, and even Deep Space 9 and the last season of Enterprise are quality sci-fi, but not quite Roddenberry's Star Trek. I wonder what the movies and child series would have been like if Gene would have still been young enough to want to force his continued creative control? We saw some of it in Star Trek The Motion Picture and the first season to STTNG. Those were actually more like the original series than anything that followed, but out modern society enjoys more militeristic violence and sex in their entertainment than folks who grew up in Roddenberry's era preferred. Although Gene never discouraged Bill Thiess's costumes (what costumes?) on the guest actresses on TOS!

Alright, enough of this before we get put into a home for sci-fi, computer nerds. Besides, have you seen the starwars.com forums? Plenty of stuff there for this kind of thing.

Back to gadget, software tinkering!

i hear tie fighters are powered by windows 95 ...

TIE fighters sound decent only in THX surround [Dolby Digital 5.1 required]

Yeah, I remember... the good ol' TV shows some of us still love and cherish:
http://www.mdgx.com/scifi.htm
TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT [+ 10 Star Trek theatre films]
Babylon 5 TV series [5 seasons] + 4 TV films + Crusade TV series spinoff + The Legend of The Rangers 2 hr TV miniseries spinoff
and some not so well known or not so popular TV shows:
Farscape series [5 seasons] + Peacekeeper Wars 4 hr miniseries [2004]
SeaQuest DSV [1st season] + SeaQuest 2032 [2nd season] = by Steven Spielberg
Space Above & Beyond
Space Rangers
Earth II
Andromeda = Gene Roddenberry's early work
Earth Final Conflict = Gene Roddenberry's early work
Battlestar Galactica [old TV series (1978)] + new 4 hr TV miniseries [2003] + new TV series season 1 [2004-2005]
Space 1999
V
SG-1 TV series [Stargate film (1994) spinoff]
Stargate Atlantis TV series [SG-1 spinoff]
Oddyssey 5
Sliders
Dark Angel
Firefly
Alien Nation (1989) TV series [original film (1988) spinoff] + 4 more TV films
The Adventures Of Young Indiana Jones TV series [a.k.a. The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles] = Indiana Jones films spinoff
Jeremiah
Highlander [films spinoff]
Planet of The Apes old films [1st film 1967] TV series spinoff [1974] + new theatre film [2001]
Dune 6 hr TV miniseries [2001] + Children of Dune 4 hr TV miniseries spinoff [2002]
Riverworld 2 hr TV miniseries
Earthsea 2 hr TV miniseries
The Lost World 2 hr TV miniseries + TV series [4 seasons]
Code Name Eternity
Lexx 3 TV films [a.k.a. Tales from a Parallel Universe (1996)] + Lexx TV series spinoff [4 seasons]
Smallville

ok, I'm gonna stop now.

You're going to laugh but I actually printed that out. You sure are thorough, no matter the subject! Now I've got a checklist of good stuff to check out. Thanks!

I'll see how many Netflix has available. (No, you don't need to make another guide for that. I can handle searching Netflix. I'm trying to save you some work here.)

I don't know. Between Lord Of the Rings and Star Wars I hardly feel the urge to watch anything else! (Is there anything else?)
Just kidding. But these 2 masterpieces are hard to beat.
What do u mean?
The Matrix rulez! [the 1st one anyway]


There's no need to argue about LOTR / Star Wars / The Matrix. The decisive winner has already been pointed out:
http://www.pointlesswasteoftime.com/film/trilogy.html

unga bunga welcome to starwars forum . my fav movie is pigs in space.

yea Win95 was something back in the late 90s. there were also addons/tools to make Win3.x look almost like Win95.

best star wars episode to me is ep 6 - return of the jedi ; luke does bring his father out of the 'dark' side in the end.

omg, he does!?? I've only seen episodes 1 - 5 so far!

Actually installing Windows 95 helped me live an entirely new philosophy when it comes to technology.

I upgraded my Dos 6.x setup (486DX2-100mhz 8megs ram) to Win95. I actually disliked the interface and re-installed Dos 6.x.

3 Months later I knew I couldn't avoid the changeover so I reinstalled Win95 and poked around with it until I discovered the BOOTGUI=1 option in the msdos.sys file. Considering I knew the previous DOS versions of this file contained binary daat, and now this file contained text, I realized it was a secret setting.

In fact on a tangent, I had to take my PC for repair and when the tech saw what I did he flipped out saying I hacked Win95 (hardly). This was of course long before it was common knowledge on the Internet that this setting existed, in fact I never read about it until a full year later.

I was proud to run what I considered Dos 7 and if I choose to use, Win95, I simply typed WIN in dos. Although Win95 performance wasn't acceptable until I upgraded my PC to a total of 16megs of ram.

It was that 3 months of avoiding Win95 when I told myself I would never alienate new techonolgy again (that replaces old technology) as I don't want to be the kind of person to avoid something new just because it's different. I realized oneday you HAVE to upgrade (ok well all you 98 SP2 guys will disagree with me) so I'd rather be an early adopter and be ahead of the crowd than the last guy in the race. It gives me an advantage over my fellow IT workers imho.

This means I'm willing to apply Service Packs the day of release, I often install RC1 as my home OS for whatever new MS OS is coming out, I always try to upgrade any server I touch to whatever is newest (now-a-days this means Win 2003 SP1) and am in general, an upgrade junkie.

I'm such an upgrade junkie I have about 10 sites I visit almost daily keeping an eye out for updates on various key products I use. I even get involved with a couple products to help steer authors for certain things. Just recently I nagged the 7-Zip author to release 4.x as final since every 4.x version has been beta, and the last "final" release was 2yrs ago for 3.x

Actually this one appears impressively good, I never used it but it seems it was still being worked on only a couple years ago.

It has a fully cloned Start button, the task bar, the quick links and the systray, amazing.

Review /w screenshots: http://toastytech.com/guis/cal.html
Homepage: http://www.calmira.de/

Heh, heh. I'm the opposite. I find old stuff I wasn't even a part of when it was out and have fun getting it to work today.

I used that Calmira desktop back when I took my HD and partitioned it to 2G for Dos/Win3.1 and the rest for, at the time, the new Windows XP. I thought it was cool to apply what I learned from getting dos games to work on 98 to setting up an MS-DOS 6.22 and Windows 3.1 partition. I used an SBLive with its dos drivers and found that I couldn't get Windows 3.1 to cooperate (or even install, or even boot after it was running if I did install the SBLive driver). I tried an SB16AWE card but I couldn't get the stupid Creative drivers to install. (Lot's of folks have felt that pain, even today!) I also had a Radeon 7500 at the time and found I couldn't get more than standard VGA out of it (no Win3.1 driver, the ones that came with Win3.1 didn't work with it). But I got Netscape 4.08 and Trumpet Winsock and an ISA modem (Abit KT7A had an ISA slot), and actually browsed around a bit on the net with it. I realized that wasn't the safest without a virusscanner or firewall, plus it looked crappy with the resolution and ancient browser. I also decided that 98 and its Dos, or XP with vdmsound and Dosbox, ran what I had for dos (games) better, so I nixed the partition.

But hey, just recently I saw that the later CVS versions of Dosbox could run Windows 3.1. And I was able to download the actual S3 drivers for the videocard that Dosbox emulates, so I installed it and got nice 800x600 SVGA graphics! I tried installing Win3.1 Quicktime to get the old Carmen Sandiego game working, but something kept making it error out so it couldn't run. Both the Dos version and the newer Win3.1 version run in XP natively, so that's okay. The slightly newer 95 version is less annoying as it lets you advance without referring to an encyclopedia that comes with the old game and which I don't have. I had installed the Creative Soundblaster Pro drivers, software, and updates. I got the Microsoft Media stuff installed and was able to play cd's, wave's and midi's! Of course all my dos game stuff worked (that's what Dosbox does best). But I couldn't get Works 2.0 or 3.0 to install. It would error out when trying to copy the first file on the 2nd floppy. I tried copying the floppy's to a folder and installing from there but got the same problem. I just wanted to see what the old program looked like. I didn't bother with the net. Hey, I was doing this all on Windows XP. For the net I could close Dosbox and open my browser! Why bother? Plus, I don't think they have networking worked out for it.

I didn't want Calmira that time since it was the first I'd seen of the actual Windows 3.1 desktop in all its SVGA glory and wanted to use that. However, after messing around in there I tried it just to see the new version of it. Pretty cool.

I obviously have a blast with this 2nd Edition Service Pack and 98SE2ME stuff! I get amazed that many problems 98 gave me and everybody else for the years of its mass use now are solved with these 3rd party programs. I'm currently doing a project that'll take some time here on my XP box (probably a month), but I can't wait to get back to my 98 box and install Windows Media Player 10 on it! And perhaps I'll even fire up my SiS5598 board to see what WorksSuite 99 is like (I recently bought an OEM sealed and never used package with it). Since I have Suite 2005 and it's installed, I won't be putting that on these newer boxes but this way I can mess around with other old stuff on there and not fubar my current systems. The last time I messed around with my SiS5598 board I worked on getting DVD's to play using both a Voodoo 5 5500 PCI and a G-Force 2 MX400 32MB PCI. Well, they played but I wouldn't want to watch movies like that. I couldn't get them to play all in synch with sound and video. It tried, but it was struggling. The 366 MHz AMD K6-2 processor, 256MB SDRAM, and the 66MHz locked bus speed couldn't keep up. But it was fun trying. The older the player the better the movies looked. I went from PowerDVD6 to 5 to 4 and the best was 3.0! I wonder if I tried the WinDVD1.0 that I got free by mail by buying my Voodoo 3 3000PCI years ago whether that would have actually made the movies watchable. I didn't want to risk WinDVD installing a bunch of old system files that might reck the system. PowerDVD 3.0 was the oldest I wanted to go. It couldn't run them smooth. I didn't try the WinDVD 3.0 or 5.0 which came with the G-Force either. (I just like PowerDVD. I'm used to it, and have heard it uses less resources to run than WinDVD.) I also tried different video driver versions for the G-Force but that made no difference. The Voodoo 5 did it better (it has 64MB which probably helped), but not good enough. Older games played nicely though!

See? The latest and newest stuff turns some folks on, and historical research works for others. Too bad work gets in the way! Not enough time to play.

1. You mean Caldera II 3.3:
http://www.calmira.net/
and Calmira XP 3.33:
http://users.pandora.be/azone/calmira/calxp333.htm

2. The Force is strong with this one.

omg... you have to watch ep 6, it's the best imho.