ok, i just got a new 100 gig hard drive. i made my 20 gig slave and the 100 master. i installed xp on the new drive, and it formatted and partitioned it for me.. it used ntfs (it didn't give me an option between ntfs and fat), and my 20 gig is fat32. now, when i run xp, everything works a-ok, except for the small detail that my 20 gig doesn't show up!

now, i dunno if you can't view fat32 drives while using an ntfs drive, or whatever. all i wanna do is get the files from my 20 gig and transport them to my new hd.

please, please, please.. somebody must know how to help me.

:cry

You cannot see NTFS from FAT32 - but you should be able to see the other was - you are booting to NTFS and the 2nd drive is FAT32. I think the problem is that you are using a Master/Slave setting. I suggest setting both to cable select and make sure the 100 gig drive is in position O and the 20 gig in position 1 (assuming you are using a dual connector cable on a single IDE controller). Second option is to use the XP Disk Manager to see if it can see the drive. With Disk Manager - you will be able to mount the FAT32 volume. Check that out and see if you don't get visibility - but the 1st option is the best one.

i do have the 100 gig on 0 and the 20 on 1.. still nothing.

I see that you have the drives arranged correctly - but do you have them jumpered master/slave or both as cable select. The default jumper for most drives today is cable select - unless you have tons of other IDE devices on the system - like CD-RW and DVD etc. Check the jumpers on both drives and make syure they are cable select.

Another option (if you have a network set up) is to pop the files you need over the network then pop them back.

hey hey, SO you got it....Ok let me understand you ...Did you partition the drive (100) and you split it as 80gig and 20gig? and you can see the extra 20 on that drive? Or is it the seperate drive you cant see? Im sure I know what you need to do, just need to know which 20 you cant see.


If its the seperate hard drive....I believe you got the western right? There picking on the connects on the 80 pin ribbon. Let me know which it is and Ill walk you through it.


-XPerties

ok, they're both cable select and still nothing.. odd thing is that the drive does not appear in the device manager, but if i click add hardware in the control panel, it's there.. double click on it it says "this device is working properly". i'm stumped.

and ls_dragons, i really apreciate the help!

xperties! it's about time you've shown up! it's the 100 gig drive, and my original 20 gig. the 100 is ntfs and the 20 is fat32. i can not see the 20 gig. the 100 is on a dual connector cable in position 0 and the 20 is on 1. you know i'm not computer savvy, and that i have no idea what i'm talking about. this is making me crazy.

One more try Sedative ---
Right click on My Computer and then Select Manage
This should bring up the System Management Applet
Under STORAGE - you will see 3 choices - select Dick Management
You should see both Drive 0 (100 gig) and Drive 1 (20 Gig)
The 20 gig may say something like unallocated etc. You should be able to mount the drive as a "basic" drive or an extended partition etc. I would suggest creating it as a basic drive which should then be readable as drive D.
If this doesn't work - I will wait and see what eXperties has to offer.....

Everything a ok now...Hes up and rolling. Got both drives set up and running.:beer


-XPerties

yeah xperties is a god send. thanks to his elite drawing skills. hehe.

Drawing skills....haha..good one:rofl :rofl


-XPerties

So XPerties - can you enlighten the rest of us as to what the problem was?

Just curious as I have seen this type of problem before - and been solved by some of the suggestions I offered.......

well there were two problems..

1. i'm an id***
2. the jumpers were in the wrong place

simple, yes.. obvious to me, no.

Well another thing is when dealing with new drive they can be toucj where there connected on the ribbon. It use to be ok to just connect anywhere and as long as the jumpers were ok they would be reconized. But now there real picky. Especially the western drives. The last connections on a dual ribbion (80 pin) should always be on the master and the middle connection on the slave. Other than that sedative has answered your questions ... ...Also if you use the 3and half floppy that comes with the drives they can screw everything up, make your system think theres a virus on them. It installes that easy bios crap. Never use the install disk that come with them.


-XPerties

Thanks -- I think my earlier suggestion regarding the jumpers would have solved the problem - setting both to cable select. Guess I need to learn 'drawing skills' like XPerties.

Glad you got it worked out.

-- Lance

Nope, setting them to cable select was not the answer. Like I said different drives are touchy in different ways. Cable select is not always the answer.

Regards, XPerties

Cable select is some crap they came up that only ever worked in Compaqs, and even then only with the drives those pieces of sh*t came with.

Actually Lou, I have 3 Compaq systems in my house and all came equipped with IBM Deskstar drives standard (I consider IBM drives to be the best of the best). I have added additional drives to each system and based on the original equipment jumpers being set to cable-select, that is how I set the new drives. The new drives were a combination of western digital and seagate models. Cable select work perfectly with them. Of course - I replaced the original equipment ide cables with top of the line 2 connector cables - which may have been a help. I do think you mis-speak when you classify Compaq equipment as pieces of sh*t. I have been extremely satisfied with the combination Deskpro and Prosignia systems I own. I might agree with you regarding Compaq's consumer products - Presario. I find that they spend a lot less achieving quality on that line of equipment than on the commercial brand and it shows.

Well I call anything a piece of s*** that doesnt let you change your way of computing. all those pre-built computers suck! You have no control over your bios never less come with crappy MB, and hard drives. Yes IBM are good but what are the models. If you were to check the models out you would see there low end models. There has not nor ever will be a compaq computer built with top high quilty hardware, This also applies to HP, SONYO, and anything you can buy at any computer electronic store. You want a computer that will blow your mind or allow you to really get in control. Spend a little time researching hardware and one day call up a computer store and read everything off from a list that you have. hahaha....Youll get a response like "we dont deal or carry stuff like that, but we have a good ata 66 drive"!:eek:


-XPerties

[quote:8da7c1fcba="LS_Dragons"]
Actually Lou, I have 3 Compaq systems in my house and all came equipped with IBM Deskstar drives standard (I consider IBM drives to be the best of the best). I have added additional drives to each system and based on the original equipment jumpers being set to cable-select, that is how I set the new drives. The new drives were a combination of western digital and seagate models. Cable select work perfectly with them. Of course - I replaced the original equipment ide cables with top of the line 2 connector cables - which may have been a help. I do think you mis-speak when you classify Compaq equipment as pieces of sh*t. I have been extremely satisfied with the combination Deskpro and Prosignia systems I own. I might agree with you regarding Compaq's consumer products - Presario. I find that they spend a lot less achieving quality on that line of equipment than on the commercial brand and it shows. [/quote:8da7c1fcba]

Speaking from the experience of having to repair and upgrade computers, I'd call a Compaq a piece of sh*t. I'd also put in that same category Packard Bell, Dell, eMachine, and Gateway.

My big beefs with Compaq:

1. They put the BIOS on the HD, which is just stupid because it forces your primary HD to be one that the M/B BIOS will recognize. If you want to add a larger HD you have to make it slave.

2. They use torx screws for everything instead of standard phillip's head screws.

3. They use rails in their system to secure the drives instead of just sliding them directly in the case and screwing them in.

4. Cable select doesn't work with everything, and most Compaqs *I* worked on all required the drives to be set for cable select and nothing else.

And my beef with all of them is the proprietary sh*t they put in their systems. Modem/sound card combos, non-ATX motherboards, ISA/PCI backplanes, motherboard graphics adapters, non standard power supplies, the elimination of "legacy" ports, etc., etc.

I would much rather build my own system ANY day than take a supposed equivalent Compaq, Dell, eMachine, Gateway, or Packard Bell. At least I know if *I* build my system then I can swap the motherboard/CPU in a year and run 4x faster, or if the power supply dies it's easy to find a replacement. You don't get that with any of those, they are computers designed to be LEASED and not BOUGHT, which is why the large corporations LEASE them so cheap, then when they start to become obsolete they send them back for refurbishing.

That all being said, LS_Dragons, I have two Compaqs of my own, an Armada 7800 laptop and a DeskPro 4000S workstation. Not bad for wht they were built for but they ain't sh*t for upgrading. My other system is homebuilt and I couldn't tell you how many times I've upgraded it.

ive got a packard bell, and i agree with you Lou, ill never buy one again, ill always build from now on, after all, i can make myself a system thats faster and beter than anything in the shops, and it would only cost about half the price of most of the "top of the range" models in the local Staples or Currys store etc.

i cant install an AGP card in my AGP mobo :wail: its AGP, but theres no slot, so, until i finish building the new comp (which will be ages as xmas is soon here) im stuck using a crap on board card.

One of the main problems folks have with installing XP is that their obscure modems dont work, thats because companies like Compaq and packard bell almost always install some crappy AMR slot pile of s***e, first thing i pulled out of my machine was the AMR modem, and then turned the other half of it of in the BIOS.
Take a look at Aaron.. he bought his new Pc ready built and a few weeks later the NIC card fried itself... ill always build my own then i know for sure that whats in it is what i asked for and not cheap s*** or even ( as in my AGP slot case ) not even there when you asked for it...

[color=red:9445199c9a]OK, I saw the problem, 2 disks (100G and 20G) and only one recognized. I see that the problem was resolved but I do not see what resolved it? Did I miss it??

OK - I just didn't read far enough into the thread, my bad :grump. It was the jumpers !

Thanks!

MrSin...[/color:9445199c9a]