i can get the books cheap, theres also the internet

thanks for the advice ill have a look into it, im sure its MCE.. but.. ill take your word for it CH.
and then again.. it all depends on what my college starts to do, they only just got certified for doing MS qualifications. i went to my first class for win2k server admin today. it was pretty good.. went over a lot of stuff about networks, nbtstat, net use, SAM files etc... something ive looked into before for more nefarious use
congrats on the qualifications CreamHackered.... your where i want to be right now. hope you get where you want with it, after all you must have paid a fair bit of time, effort and cash to get there, ive heard of other people getting to that level and still struggling to find work, because small companies dont want to pay the wage it demands... sux imo.
im doing it for myself though, if i get a job out of it then great. if i dont then i still have my certificates