Not the point, since yes, of course you keep the newer version.

The problem here is that some update NOT in the SP is already installed, and it's at a higher rev on the particular file, in this case hhctrlui.dll. The SP is attempting to do the work of 323255 or, better still 811630, both common updates that also would cause the same result. I am asking if anyone knows what this even newer update not found in the SP is that supports the even newer file rev. This is solely for the purpose of the future of the SP, not anything else.

Other than a known sore-point update [known to cause problems where not warranted, and to be applied only on certain laptops], the SP tends to be the latest rev of just about any system file it affects. [Actually, there was a mouse-support file that had a similar problem, but in this case the revision was grossly newer, and actually part of a package, not an O/S update, for which the other files had to accompany this "too-new" rev file to avoid problems. Fortunately, the issue was solved by obtaining the proper rev file as intended in the update it was derived from, etc., so this isn't even a current issue within the SP, etc.]

If someone knows what other update [perhaps an XML or MDAC update? or perhaps IE 6.0 SP1 + updates] perhaps it would be justified to be added into the next release.

This is similar to the issue about the 269388 update. If that is installed first, you get a similar warning because the SP is actually attempting a lower rev than that update. However, 269388 is already scheduled to be in a future update already. To my knowledge, the hhcrlui.dll file doesn't have the same status, thus the need to discuss whatever the actual source of this file is, etc. It's just not always true that a newer file can be used just because it's newer; in this case, since apparently it was installed by some other update, it is likely true in this instance.

The file in question seems to be part of some help center update; the revision is curious because 323255 and 811630 have other files at the same relative revision, almost as if this file was "intended" to be updated to this still-higher level.

cjl

Yeah, I've always noticed that help update "do you want to keep the newer file" pop up. I always just kept the newer file (answer yes) and haven't noticed help problems.

It will be nice when a newer version of the Service Pack will handle some of these questionable (meaning, we're not exactly certain we're installing precisly the needed versions) files. I do think it's proper to wait until the end of use is here and we see how things are when the smoke clears following all the last updates from Microsoft. We'll also be familiar with what to do with all the needed fixing and work arounds and Gape can just put all that into the pack so it'll just do all that for us. (Wishful thinking?)

Sure, though. Just using the Service Pack isn't enough at this point. Maybe if someone isn't going on the net, but otherwise there's plenty of other updates we have to manually install (and then, sometimes, fix up so things'll still work!) No biggie, though. Plenty of help here.

Bless the guru's!

Just to clarify:

SP 2.1a wants to install:

hhctrlui.dll 5.2.3635.0 20-May-2002 11:09:38 AM [presumably derived from Q323255 and/or Q811630.]

Before installing SP 2.1a on this system, OTHER updates primarily outside of the SP were installed [IE 6.0, XML and MDAC updates, etc. to name a few]. As a result of these OTHER updates [but I have no idea which particular one of them at this point], the SP 2.1 allowed me [correctly!] to prevent modifying the file already present:

hhctrlui.dll 5.2.3664.0 26-Jul-2002 11:02:46 AM

Considering the "age" of both of these files, I would suspect that this newer version of hhctrlui.dll is a stable file to be included within the SP in a future release. Anyone have any comments here, i.e., which specific update provided the file, and whether the inclusion into a future SP makes sense, etc. [Note: While I don't know where the file exactly comes from, I am certain it is official MS release for something known to be compatible with 98SE.]

cjl

It is part of IE 6.0 SP1.

Petr

the newer hhctrlui.dll file should be included in the next release of 98se SP 2.x. the hhctrlui.dll is NOT included in the KB896358 updates. note that the KB811630 update for NT4 is no longer listed in MS KB article 811630. NT4 users can obtain the updated HTML Help module here:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/c/c...d3623/HHUPD.EXE

It's been almost 6 months since the 2.1a release of the 98se service pack.

Thanks Petr

I almost missed it in HHUPD.CAB because it's inside of the mui.cab inside of that, and only the 0409 [ENU] version is that date [the rest are much older in the release!]

Anyone know why the main IE cabs [the ones with an S in the name, IE_S1.cab, etc.] are wholely imbedded within as another complete cab file [same name only the S is removed]?

cjl

That is one question only Microsoft can answer.

Anyone heard from Gape as to when a new version of the unofficial 98se service pack will be posted? It has been six months since v2.1a came out.

assuming the project isn't dead (i hope not),
i'm going to lay down a guess that he's now waiting till 98SEs last stage of support offically ends on July 11th (and/or posssibly the release of IE7 and therefore the end of IE6 updates) so he can present a 'final' 'done and dusted' version.

thats what i would be doing in his shoes at this point, the date's too close now for an incremental to be worth the hassle.

That's what I've guessed too (assuming it's not dead, as you say). Perhaps the end of 98 SE support will coincide with Gape's summer break from university too, allowing him more time to spend on the next (and maybe 'final') release.

Gape waits the announcement by M$ of the end of w98 support to drum up loudly, two weeks later the release of a W98 Service Pack.

Finally, I made my thesis presentation last Friday at school.

There are lots of internal changes in the service pack. The project is not dead.

Great, hope they give you a high mark[or whatever they give] as I know it had to be good

Congratulations! It's well deserved!

There is an interesting problem that may be of interest for the next version of the service pack. If you install IE6.0sp1-KB912812 before you visit the Microsoft Update site you get an “administrators only” error message, this is because this update changes the way ActiveX components are run. This caused me some head scratching when I did a reinstall of Windows 98SE with sp2a and update files I had previously downloaded.

Gape when we can expect a new version of your Unofficial SP?
I hope that you'll soon made ver 2.2...
...or some updates because I like your pack.Thanx forward!

nicke85 is right. There has been no Service Pack for seven months.
Microsoft has published patchs for Windows 98 (which not concern IE6, DirectX, WMP 9 or MDAC 2.8 but rather the OS) since the 28th november.

Here is the list of the new updates on the windows update website :
Security Update for Windows 98 (KB908519) - (Posted Date: January 06, 2006) - Download size: 210 KB
Security Update for Flash Player (KB913433) - (Posted Date: May 11, 2006) - Download size: 543 KB
Security Update for Windows 98 (KB918547) - (Posted Date: June 08, 2006) - Download size: 145 KB
Security Update for Windows 98 (KB917344) - (Posted Date: June 09, 2006) - Download size: 328 KB


Why there is no new SP ?
Are you waiting the end of the support (on the 11th july) ?
I hope that the problem "windows 2000 theme" - that I've already mentionned - are resolved.

When will the next SP be published ?

.

Aww, c'mon guys. These are all voluntary contributions here. Don't push. Gape's already stated he's on top of things. I'm sure when he sees the final state of Microsoft's updates and has enough time, he'll get working on a new pack. For now, just using the pack along with the other resources linked to in these forums you can get a fully patched and secure 9x system all set up.

Good things come to those who wait (and don't pester).

agreed gapes contributions are legendary who cares how long it takes if he stopped 2morrow hes given us enuff but on a lightner note hes finished exams and thats what his focus is.and now he can rest and get on with a new version.

pjmelect, UNINSTALL KB912812 and install KB916281 and test out the Windows Update site with IE6 SP1. The KB916281 patch fixes the “administrators only” problem caused by KB912812.



GOSH DARN IT, Big Monstro and nicke85, CANT YOU GUYS JUST FREAKIN' WAIT? Gape is very busy right now.

Gape has made possible servicing of OS with few clicks of button.

Its even more user friendly than service packs for Windows XP.

Hope to see a new service pack. Gape rocks. Good luck for your thesis.

@Gape,

Is there any way to include an updated version of msvcp50.dll.

98SE includes version 5.0.0.7022, but I have seen a version 5.0.0.7051 on the internet.

If you can't find a link, let me know and i'll send you one.

the_guy

This version is part of Windows 2000, Windows XP and Windows Server 2003 operating systems but AFAIK it is not available to people who did not bought them.

BTW, the "string" file version is 5.00.7051.

Petr

A quick google for msvcp50.dll shows a download link for that version. Mind you, it is at a DLL archive.

I think it might also be part of VS 5 SP2 (can anyone find a download link?)

the_guy

You can download from the web full Windows distribution, just use Google... but this is not the way chosen for the unofficial support pack.

msvcp50.dll should be part of Microsoft Visual C++ 5.0, this is part of Visual Studio 97, I was able to locate direct download links from Microsoft - but Visual Studio 97 Service Pack 3 does not contain msvcp50.dll fiale at all.

Petr

I have actually collected 4 different Msvcp50.dll 5.0.0.7051. Their md5 cheksums :

62cd16cda9e27d2e3eefc722179f8a2f
c093e40237de3bbc11bb24010f550d16
11ce755e00794c8ccd1a4f71282f8167
c74f5e292c1b10b7bd7e79a289e0c4b2

I have only one Msvcp50.dll 5.0.0.7022.

md5 = 497fd4a8f5c4fcdaaac1f761a92a366a

These files are used in the English version of the following operating systems:


So the newest internal compilation date has 5.0.0.7022 version form Windows 98 SE.

Petr

I have looked in my ME cabs and there is indeed a msvcp50.dll 5.0.0.7022 md5: f2c94d09f87ad02a0636230567f6d143

So, after reading your list, Petr, I conclude that of the five I have collected from installing software, none come from an MS OS. Neither the single 5.0.0.7022, nor the four 5.0.0.7051.

Where they do come from originally is what I am wondering.

PS : All the four 5.0.0.7051 have a size of 565,760 bytes and a creation date of 08 February 2000, 23:16:42 and differences between them seems quite minor when comparing them at the binary level. A maximum of 315 differences.

Quick question regarding Windows Media Player 6.4, 7.1 or 9 Series for Microsoft Windows Millennium (KB828026) update posted from Microsoft.

Does anyone know if the files listed for ME (Msdxm.ocx & Wmpcore.dll) works under Win98se correctly?

Windows Media Player 7.1

Date Time Version Size File name Operating system
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
17-Sep-2003 16:01 6.4.9.1128 844,048 Msdxm.ocx Windows 2000
17-Sep-2003 22:13 7.10.0.3075 815,104 Wmpcore.dll Windows 2000
24-Sep-2003 21:18 6.4.7.1128 845,072 Msdxm.ocx Windows Millennium Edition
24-Sep-2003 21:18 7.10.0.3075 815,104 Wmpcore.dll Windows Millennium Edition


I still prefer using Media Player 7.1 over 9.

Download MP832353.EXE instead for 98SE as it replaces 828026.

the_guy

I am on Win Me and I have removed MP7.1 to only have 6.4 so I can't say about wmpcore.dll.

As for msdxm.ocx, it is version 6.4.7.1129 you want to have and not 6.4.7.1128.

The package you should use is WindowsMedia-KB832353-x86-ENU.exe and not WindowsMedia-KB828026-x86-ENU.exe

By looking into it I see that wmpcore.dll is version 7.10.0.3076.

Those files should work with 98SE.

You should also update MPG4DS32.AX to at least version 7.10.0.3069 (from WM324178.exe)

and dxmasf.dll to 6.4.7.1121 (from WM320920_64.exe or WM308567.exe)

and strmdll.dll to 4.1.0.3925 (from WMSU47357.exe)

That's only for 6.4 and might not be totally accurate as I might I have missed an update or another. For 7.1 they will yet be some other files to update I believe.

AVOID or REMOVE the KB828026 WMP update off your computer, FixitMad. The KB832353 WMP updates fix the URL script problems with the KB828026 patches.

See here:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/832353

Windows Media Player 7.1

Date Time Version Size File name Operating system
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
14-Nov-2003 17:24 6.4.9.1129 844,560 Msdxm.ocx Windows 2000
19-Nov-2003 21:07 7.10.0.3076 815,104 Wmpcore.dll Windows 2000
21-Nov-2003 18:40 6.4.7.1129 845,584 Msdxm.ocx Windows Millennium Edition
21-Nov-2003 18:40 7.10.0.3076 815,104 Wmpcore.dll Windows Millennium Edition

dang, Microsoft should have posted the KB832353 updates instead of the buggy KB828026 updates at Windows Update.



These two updated files are included in IE6 SP1's version of Windows Media Player 6.4, eidenk (it's version 6.4.07.1121)

Download the WMP 6.4 CAB file here:
http://download.microsoft.com/download/ie6...US/mplayer2.cab
and see for yourself. Those two files are on there. Beats having to install those two patches by just installing this updated release of WMP 6.4.

There are also files more up to date in it such as mplayer2.exe and of course I have the IE6SP1 setup archive even though I only use IE55SP2. Didn't notice those two fixes were also in it as well.

Thanks everyone for that update. I was not aware of the issue with KB828026. Thanks: the guy, eidenk and erpdude8!

I'll download and archive that Patch and 6.4 CAB file right now. On a side note, is the IE5.5SP2 still available for download anywhere? Of course M$ removed that option to download the files.

Many thanks.

http://browsers.evolt.org/?ie/32bit/5.5_SP2

Petr

eidenk,

You mentioned:

"You should also update MPG4DS32.AX to at least version 7.10.0.3069 (from WM324178.exe)

and dxmasf.dll to 6.4.7.1121 (from WM320920_64.exe or WM308567.exe)

and strmdll.dll to 4.1.0.3925 (from WMSU47357.exe)

That's only for 6.4 and might not be totally accurate as I might I have missed an update or another. For 7.1 they will yet be some other files to update I believe."


All three of these files are for WMP 6.1 only?

I searched for MPG4DS32.AX and it appears there is a version 8.0.0.4487. This is for the Microsoft MPEG-4 Video Codec. Is there a complete update package for 7.1 player? When I searched for the MPG4DS32.AX file, it was not on a M$ page so I'm not sure where this v 8.0.0.4487 is coming from.

I'm wondering what the best Codecs are for WMP 7.1 or 6.4 to play MPEG-4,AVI,DivX, etc. I have several Codecs already but it now seems that even DivX is not making any further updates for Win98 users.

I have that version you say installed on my machine but I am unable to trace its origin so far. It's probably from XP's Media Player 8 and must have been installed by a third party multimedia utility of one sort or another.



I am using ffdhow.

Is Gape been on vacation or what? Does anyone know if he will have a new pack.

I have a friend who installed SP2 on his 98SE machine.

During the SP2 install, he got a warning about two DLLs that were newer on his system than the ones in the service pack...

hhctrlui.dll
iscript.dll

I told him to keep the newer files.
Was that the right thing to do?

Are these DLLs needed for the next version of SP2?

If so, I can try to get them from him. Let me know.

You probably meant these DLLs:

HHSETUP.DLL
ITIRCL.DLL
ITSS.DLL

Multiple instances of HHCTRLUI.DLL are installed in the %windir%\system\MUI folder, under specific subfolders for each available language.
The only newer HHCTRLUI.DLL I know of comes from Win2003 SP1:
http://www.mdgx.com/ws3toy.htm#SP1
and may or may not work with 9x Oses, because it may contain Unicode. Unicode is not understood by 9x OSes, unless a particular app uses UNICOWS.DLL specific code:
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#UNI

I'm not familiar with iscript.dll .

Those newer DLLs your friend has, are probably from this update:
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#HHU
which [except for HHCTRLUI.DLL from 2003 SP1] installs all newest files needed for 9x OSes.

If Gape's SP 2.1a:
http://exuberant.ms11.net/98sesp.html
has older files, he will include the new ones in the next release. [?]

HTH

maybe he is on vacation. I just hope nothing bad happens to him. maybe it's time I started a new topic similar to the "Where is Gurgelmeyer" thread in the Win2k Hotstream forum. It has been almost eight months since 98se SP 2.1a was posted.

i hope there will be a new release of this great pack.. very helpful

Gape was Last Active Yesterday, 11:03 AM

I think he is busy right now. However the project is documented very well thanks also to other members. It shouldn't be too hard to start working on a update.

Big Monstro, maybe you should help us in creating a beta version of the next release of Gape's 98se service pack if you are so f*ckin impatient. Me and the other members of this forum would like to hear from you if you are interested.

Gape was Last Active Yesterday, 11:03 AM

I think he is busy right now. However the project is documented very well thanks also to other members. It shouldn't be too hard to start working on a update.
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erpdude8,

Do you have an English version to this page?

Quote from your post #243 above:

"Unofficial Windows 98SE Service Pack 2.0.3 NL
The best your OS can get. More fixes, less trouble. Go check it out!"

I have enough trouble reading and understanding my own language without having to go through some translator dictionary. I have been using the UnOffical Win98SE SP 2.1 until I found the 2.1a and now have that one since about April of this year. Being only a USER of any system and not really into doing any digging into any of the programming or troubleshooting problems, except my own and those that I cause. I do like this idea of someone putting out a SP for Win98SE and have attempted to promote it to anyother user of Win98SE without SPAMMING them.

NL is the Dutch Version of Unofficial Windows 98Se Service Pack.

I have not completed a 2.1a updated package yet. It's not all that fun to create Service Packs for an OS you don't use anymore for daily use.
However I'm currently processing and documenting all Dutch updates for use in a updated version of the Windows 98SE Service Pack.

hp38guser,

Edited by NativeTexan:

"Excuse me for getting the incorrect name on my previous post, thank you for reading even though it was addressing another. Was just in too large a hurry to post and overlooked which one I was addressing."

I had understood that from the link addy for the download. Plus the wording on your webpage gave me another hint. Not a problem just was wondering. Now I will just await the next release so I can take advantage of your great work as well as the other contributors as listed in the LAgreement you have to accept.

Being Retired and on a fixed income with approx. $25,000 USD medical bills to pay off it may take me some time to be able to support you and the others financially but it will happen, I hope within your life time as well. A little stretch of the truth but willing when thingys get a little easier to survive.

Thank you for that repy and reading my posts,

I will be using Windows 98SE for next two years as my sole operating system. I play games, do all kinds of stuff with it. I live in a third world country, where this operating system is more affordable. And really programs like service packs made solely by selfless people are gemstones. It takes a long time to download updates from microsoft windows and if system requires a complete format and reinstallation that whole process has to be repeated.

You people are very busy i understand, but how about telling us about percentage of completion from time to time. Even if it is 1% every week.

sorry centrosaurus, I dont think we can do that because we dont even know how much the next version of the 98se service pack is completed.

there will be an announcement in this forum of a new version of the 98se SP when it is posted. so you will have to wait like the rest of us are doing.

I came to know about this website due to Gape's service pack. I am sure the new service pack will be out soon. It is an ordeal to accomplish such thing. Thumbs up to Gape and his Team.