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erpdude8

Jan 31 2007, 10:04 AM

QUOTE (iWindoze @ Jan 30 2007, 05:40 PM)

So umm....

Any updates on what's going on Gape?

--iWindoze

he's busy, iWindoze.

QUOTE

Yes, that has happened to me with the Service Pack at times. It was usually caused by having conflicting versions of MDAC. I've found that if I want to install older Office programs (through Office 2000), I need to install Office (or Works if that's what you use) before using the Service Pack. However if I want to use OfficeXP (or Works 8) I need to install the Service Pack before doing so.

you may want to install MDAC 2.5 SP3 on Win98se, Eck. then install the 98se Service Pack. DONT install MDAC 2.8 SP1 because version 2.8 lacks some files that were featured in version 2.5. If you want to install MDAC 2.8 SP1, first install MDAC 2.5 SP3, then the 98se SP, the unofficial Jet 4.0 SP8 KB837001 update for Win9x/NT4 and finally MDAC 2.8 SP1.

Eck

Jan 31 2007, 02:10 PM

Oh! So that's the correct actual order. Thanks a bunch for that. I'd always mess it up when I tried installing MDAC myself so I've left it to either Office or a Service Pack to handle it. Used to use Maximus-Decim's version too but haven't for a while.

Nice to know a way that works. Actually I just finished a new 98SE setup. I let auto-patcher install 2.8 SP1 but since I installed WorksSuite 2005 and OfficeXP afterwards I hope MDAC is installed properly.

In the future I'll do what you advised myself now that I know.

Philco

Feb 17 2007, 05:02 AM

Gape: Last Seen: 7 Feb 2007

Project next unofficial SP death?

Targaff

Feb 17 2007, 06:02 AM

Next on Fox: someone not on MSFN for nearly 2 weeks shocker.

winxpi

Feb 22 2007, 06:41 PM

Maybe a new version should have been released when Vista came out.

erpdude8

Feb 23 2007, 09:47 AM

QUOTE (winxpi @ Feb 22 2007, 07:41 PM)

Maybe a new version should have been released when Vista came out.

yeah I agree

galahs

Feb 23 2007, 09:45 PM

QUOTE (PROBLEMCHYLD @ Dec 23 2006, 08:28 AM)

Hey Gape welcome back
When ever you get time no rush
can you remove all 3rd party apps
i really don't see a purpose for the them though people will replace
what they don't want.

Can you name it service pack 3
i think the title alone is just crucial

I feel the same way.

Just keep it basic patches and updated settings.

winxpi

Feb 25 2007, 09:35 AM

Yes and please be quick!
I already killed one of my Windows 98 Pcs accidently by removing and inserting the CMOS battery again so that the contact broke.
If this goes one like that all Windows 98 systems wil die very fast.
*Rescue Windows 98*

FixitMad

Feb 27 2007, 12:22 PM

Hi all,

I think I maybe forgetting things..... Is there or do we know if there is a "Master Update List" of the software Install order before we use Gape's update to Win98se? I know I have seen some lists of the install order, but they seem old now. I just wanted to know if there is a newer List posted. (Directx9.0c, IE6,MDAC, Jet, etc)

Thanks.

Drugwash

Feb 27 2007, 02:00 PM

You may try the old list and/or use Auto-Patcher for Windows 98SE. Then install Gape's USP.

winxpi

Mar 19 2007, 03:22 PM

What about addind Microsoft .NET Framework 2.0
http://download.microsoft.com/download/5/6...5a/dotnetfx.exe

awergh

Mar 20 2007, 01:40 AM

except that would double the size,
why dont you use the autopatcher if you want dotnet

MDGx

Mar 22 2007, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (awergh @ Mar 20 2007, 12:40 AM)

except that would double the size,
why dont you use the autopatcher if you want dotnet

soporific:

If I may make a suggestion:
If you'd like to add more options/system components/updates/etc to Auto-Patcher, you could add only the direct download URL links to the actual files [eventually with a short description], and let the user select which ones he/she wants to install.
This way new add-ons won't increase the size of Auto-Patcher.

HTH

Philco

May 1 2007, 01:14 PM

GAPE: Last Seen: 26th February 2007 - 12:12 PM

Hey, Gape, real return?

rainyd

May 1 2007, 06:19 PM

He had some serious health problem and this is probably reason for the absence.

Philco

May 19 2007, 02:09 AM

QUOTE (Philco @ May 1 2007, 01:14 PM)

GAPE: Last Seen: 26th February 2007 - 12:12 PM

Hey, Gape, real return? (Last Seen: 26th February 2007 - 12:12 PM)

PROBLEMCHYLD

Jul 14 2007, 04:41 PM

Gape hasn't been seen in 5 months i know he's probably still recovering
but is it possible to get someone else to take on the 98SE service pack
its almost 2 years old.

Gape

Aug 12 2007, 09:40 AM

Working on the new version... I hope I will release it in the next week.

CODE

* New/updated file
! New/updated file (unofficial)
+ Minor improvement
x Bugfix
- Information only

3.0 Alpha 1

* Added MSHDC.INF [from Q276602].
* Added T2EMBED.DLL [from Q908519].
* Added KBDSP.KBD [from Q312586].
* Added Q897225 [REG].
* Added TIMEZONE.INF [from Q933360].
* Updated NDIS.VXD + PPPMAC.VXD + VIP.386 [to Q301453].
* Updated RICHED20.DLL [to Q918118].
* Updated HLINK.DLL [to Q920670].
* Updated MSVBVM60.DLL [to 6.0.97.98, Q930828].
* Updated JSCRIPT.DLL [to Q917344].
* Updated HHCTRL.OCX + HHCTRLUI.DLL [to Q928843].
* Updated SNMP.EXE + SNMPAPI.DLL [to Q926247].
* Updated ASYCFILT.DLL + OLEPRO32.DLL + STDOLE2.TLB [to 5.0.4528].
* Updated ROOTSUPD.EXE with ROOTSUPD.CAB [to 13.0.2195].
* Updates SERVICES [RFC 1060 / IANA].
! Updated INFEx [to 0.5].
! Added VOLTRACK.VXD [from U249824].
! Added KRNL386.EXE [4.10.1999].
! Updated UPDATE.SYS [4.10.2223 - CPU microcode updates].
! Updated SHELL32.DLL [to 4.72.3812.634 - Corrects lockups while deleting large number of files + Fixes 2-4 GB files errors].
! Updated GDI.EXE + GDI32.DLL [to U918547 - 4.10.2227].
! Replaced KB891711.EXE + Q891711.DLL with USER.EXE + USER32.DLL [U891711 - 4.10.2233].
! Added FORMAT.COM and updated FDISK.EXE [Display errors are fixed in this versions].
+ Added a new option: Uninstall Microsoft Virtual Machine.
+ Added "LocalLoadHigh=1" to TWEAKS.INF.
+ Moved EXPLORER.EXE from SUPP.CAB to SP2.CAB.
+ Replaced CRLUPD.EXE with CRLUPD.CAB.
x Fix for "Properties Slow Down" issue.
- Cleanup the SPUPDATE.INF code.
- All optional parts can be uninstalled seperately.

wrayal

Aug 12 2007, 10:30 AM

Yay! Glad to see you back Gape

And great news on the new version

How complete will this update make 98, compared to something like the updates in autopatcher?

Wrayal

Gape

Aug 12 2007, 10:52 AM

QUOTE (wrayal @ Aug 12 2007, 06:30 PM)

Yay! Glad to see you back Gape

And great news on the new version

How complete will this update make 98, compared to something like the updates in autopatcher?

Wrayal

USP is a "service pack" that fixes operating system problems. It doesn't try to add 3rd party software. It will be not different from older USP versions. It will not contain any Windows ME files, but with this 3.0 release it contains unofficial fixes.

I don't have enough information autopatcher, because I was away for a long time.

By the way, I will release an alpha version soon, there will be beta version(s) and release candidate(s). I hope all users who needs/likes the USP will help me to improve this new release.

Thanks.

celtish

Aug 12 2007, 01:52 PM

QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 12 2007, 05:52 PM)

USP is a "service pack" that fixes operating system problems. It doesn't try to add 3rd party software. It will be not different from older USP versions. It will not contain any Windows ME files, but with this 3.0 release it contains unofficial fixes. I don't have enough information autopatcher, because I was away for a long time. By the way, I will release an alpha version soon, there will be beta version(s) and release candidate(s). I hope all users who needs/likes the USP will help me to improve this new release. Thanks.

Welcome back, Gape!

Tihiy

Aug 12 2007, 07:08 PM

Welcome back, Gape!
I'm glad new uSP is coming. I still prefer good old uSP2.1 over AP.
Sorry, but won't you consider removing old IE5 updates included? Anyway if IE5 is used somewhere, it is still buggy and vulnerable with or without these updates.

Also, All: there is newer msvbvm60.dll (6.0.97.98, kb930828) available, for example here. There is newer kb934602, but is is not available yet [i've tried to request it].

sleffing

Aug 12 2007, 07:15 PM

Nice to hear from you.
I'm very glad you will continue this.
And VERY glad it will continue the same as before.

Thanks for all the hard work.

iWindoze

Aug 12 2007, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 12 2007, 11:52 AM)

USP is a "service pack" that fixes operating system problems. It doesn't try to add 3rd party software. It will be not different from older USP versions. It will not contain any Windows ME files, but with this 3.0 release it contains unofficial fixes.

First off, it's great to see you back in action again! I know I wasn't the only one here beginning to get worried...

Secondly, since you are beginning to add unofficial updates and fixes, could you consider adding the Maximum-Decim Native USB Drivers to the USP? Personally I consider something as major as USB support for external drives to be an important part of any service pack! Also in this same vein could you consider adding the Enable48BitLBA and Copy2Gb patches?

--iWindoze

Gape

Aug 13 2007, 12:57 AM

Thank you all for your nice welcome messages.

@about IE5 updates: They are a part of OS. Some users don't update IE at all (like 98lite and/or Firefox, Opera users). I think these updates can be still useful for them. BTW, I will think about it.

@about NUSB: I think it still contains WinME files. I don't want to add WinME files into USP.

@about Copy2GB, Enable48bitLBA: Copy2GB is in the 3.0 Alpha 1. But I am not sure about Enable48bitLBA, because data loss possibility is very dangerous. I want to make sure that it is working successful on different systems.

blackwire

Aug 13 2007, 01:54 AM

The Copy2GB patch is not necessary. The 634 version of the shell32.dll patch already fixes the copy 2gb bug. I tried the copy2gb patch a while ago. It caused unusual behavior on my computer. It also changed the buttons, which I didn't like. About the Enable48bitLBA, the readme says that if used on smaller drives, it might cause data corruption. If these patches must be included, maybe an option not to install them should be avaliable.

Gape

Aug 13 2007, 02:04 AM

QUOTE (blackwire @ Aug 13 2007, 10:54 AM)

The Copy2GB patch is not necessary. The 634 version of the shell32.dll patch already fixes the copy 2gb bug. I tried the copy2gb patch a while ago. It caused unusual behavior on my computer. It also changed the buttons, which I didn't like. About the Enable48bitLBA, the readme says that if used on smaller drives, it might cause data corruption. If these patches must be included, maybe an option not to install them should be avaliable.

Thank for the info.

blackwire

Aug 13 2007, 09:35 AM

This thread talks about the copy2gb fix vs the shell32.dll fix.

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=84451

rainyd

Aug 13 2007, 12:28 PM

I'm very glad to see you ,Gape, and hear that you're going to continue your excellent work.

Like Tihy I prefer good, old SP.

sleffing

Aug 13 2007, 05:58 PM

Q305575 is only partly correct.

From the article:

CODE

REGEDIT4

;; this is incorrect from article at: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/305575
;[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Time Zones\Central European]
;"Display"="(GMT+01:00) Sarajevo, Skopje, Vilnius, Warsaw, Zagreb"

;[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Time Zones\FLE]
;"Display"="(GMT+02:00) Helsinki, Riga, Sofia, Tallinn"

; this is correct & current
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Time Zones\Central European]
"Display"="(GMT+01:00) Sarajevo, Skopje, Warsaw, Zagreb"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Time Zones\FLE]
"Display"="(GMT+02:00) Helsinki, Kyiv, Riga, Sofia, Tallinn, Vilnius"

Vilnius is in GMT+02:00 time zone !

Compare the times for those cities at this page:
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/cust...ontinent=europe

Look at:
"Central European Standard Time" & "FLE Standard Time"
listed here:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ms912053.aspx

-------------
Many time zones are effected by changes in DST rules this year.

If you are interested in adding Time Zone updates for all
a good resource is found here:
http://www.grystmill.com/articles/tz_update.htm
The last update was in April when New Zealand changed over.
His file is in .reg format and not properly ordered I think.
I have converted it to .inf format and reordered correctly.
I will post it if you think it would be helpful.
-------------

Gape

Aug 14 2007, 01:08 AM

@sleffing, Thanks for the info. MDGx has already a update for timezones, dated March 2007. Q931836.EXE.

But I think it doesn't contain New Zealand update probably. Could you post/email your INF ? It will be great and helpful.

sleffing

Aug 14 2007, 06:26 AM

QUOTE

@sleffing, Thanks for the info. MDGx has already a update for timezones, dated March 2007. Q931836.EXE.

But I think it doesn't contain New Zealand update probably. Could you post/email your INF ? It will be great and helpful.

Here it is.

Updated August, 2007:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/933360/

It is in the order displayed
in timedate.cpl best.

Attachment deleted.
I think you have it. Good luck.

Molecule

Aug 14 2007, 07:41 AM

awesome to see you're back! one might even say that sp21a (after thinking about it, and on how much I use my computer) has become ... (choke choke (harhar) ) an important part of my life!!

I'm on dialup, so I use a Kingston thumbdrive to transport large files that can be easily uploaded/downloaded at my public library -- now I'm totally addicted to USB drives.

MaximDecim's USB driver didn'twork on my sp21a machine, nor did Kingston's drivers (also very large)

But ... an Italian programmer fixed my problem with a 10k zip, by posting a small no-frills generic USB thumbdrive driver that is only 10k with no registry alterations. It's only 10k in size -- please consider adding it.

Here are some links:

driver homepage (in Italian) -- http://www.wintricks.it/faq/usbpen98.html
download page -- http://www.wintricks.it//download/wtgenusb.zip
jaclaz posted a translation of the webpage here -- http://www.boot-land.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=2411
pat98usb did some more hacking described here -- http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showto...st&p=664191

don't know if Jesus is in his office or not, but it's good to see you back ... please include the thumbdrive if you can.

regards... theMolecule

Philco

Aug 16 2007, 01:00 PM

Hello Gape, look Enable48BitLBA | Break the 137Gb barrier! by LLXX - on new nSP 3.0 only "official" updates?

dj.tuBIG/MaliceX

Aug 16 2007, 11:58 PM

Hey. Would it work if I installed this, then 98SE2ME, then Revolutions pack 7?

Thanks.

Xstyle

Aug 17 2007, 12:13 AM

QUOTE (dj.tuBIG/MaliceX @ Aug 17 2007, 12:58 AM)

Hey. Would it work if I installed this, then 98SE2ME, then Revolutions pack 7?

Thanks.

Yes! In fact this is the right order. But when u install 98se2me install whitout option 3 if u want to install RP7. Read this: http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/read1st.php

Gape

Aug 17 2007, 01:41 AM

sleffing, Molecule, thanks for your feedback.

Yes, uSP 3.0 contains unofficial updates.

Now 3.0 Alpha 1 is almost ready [Alpha releases will focus only to collect currently best updates]. There are only 2 problems:

- Although I added required Windows Update information into the registry. Q891711, and Q918547 are still showing up on the Windows Update. Does anyone know something about it ?
- "COMCTL32.DLL file cannot start" problem during uninstallation of Adaptec ASPI or Boot/Shutdown logos.

Some new features like USB thumb drives support, Enable48bitLBA will be included in the next alpha/beta release.

sleffing

Aug 17 2007, 05:53 PM

QUOTE

- Although I added required Windows Update information into the registry. Q891711, and Q918547 are still showing up on the Windows Update. Does anyone know something about it ?

Windows Update does not use the Update information for these I think.
I have tried many ways and
it seems Windows Update looks at the files on disk
and checks the versions of the .dll AND the .exe.

It does not check the RunServices key I believe.

Maybe someone else knows a 'workaround'.

galahs

Aug 17 2007, 09:26 PM

Great to hear your going to work on this again Gape

Can I suggest your future Update has the following options:

1. Install Official Microsoft Updates (upto July 2006)
2. Install Un-Official Microsoft Updates (July 2006 +)
3. Install 3rd Party Updates (USB, 137GB +, 2GB Copy etc)

That way people can install the the parts they want.

I know some businesses don't allow Unofficial or 3rd party updates on their systems.

Either way, great to hear we will soon have a single patch that brings our 98SE systems back up-to-date :correct:

Max_04

Aug 18 2007, 03:06 PM

QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 17 2007, 09:41 AM)

sleffing, Molecule, thanks for your feedback.

Yes, uSP 3.0 contains unofficial updates.

Now 3.0 Alpha 1 is almost ready [Alpha releases will focus only to collect currently best updates]. There are only 2 problems:

- Although I added required Windows Update information into the registry. Q891711, and Q918547 are still showing up on the Windows Update. Does anyone know something about it ?
- "COMCTL32.DLL file cannot start" problem during uninstallation of Adaptec ASPI or Boot/Shutdown logos.

Some new features like USB thumb drives support, Enable48bitLBA will be included in the next alpha/beta release.

Uninstallation of Adaptec ASPI 4.60.1021 in general is problematic... i've had few days ago "aspienum.vxd missing" after uninstallation during boot.

Gape

Aug 20 2007, 01:35 AM

3.0 ALPHA 1 is released.

Targaff

Aug 20 2007, 02:57 AM

Gape: excellent, downloaded and I'll try it at lunchtime. How come you decided to remove Metapad, though?

Gape

Aug 20 2007, 03:00 AM

QUOTE (Targaff @ Aug 20 2007, 11:57 AM)

Gape: excellent, downloaded and I'll try it at lunchtime. How come you decided to remove Metapad, though?

I can add it on the next releases, if I get more request, no problem.

galahs

Aug 20 2007, 03:19 AM

Well done Gape!

You have made a lot of people happy.

I wont be able to test it for a few days until I get a test rig ready as my current computer Win98 machine is in constant use and cannot be risked atm.

I think it is better if you leave Metapad out. Many people don't require an updated replacement for Notepad.

It's a service pack for Win98SE, just fix bugs in the operating system. Keep it simple.
If people want 3rd party products they can easily download and install them themselves.

Again many thanks!

Xeno86

Aug 20 2007, 04:20 AM

After installing uSP 2.1a I do encounter a problem:

When I insert CD in one of my drives and immediately open My Computer the whole system freezes (incl. mouse cursor) until the disc in detected. This also happens when I have Nero launched and insert a CD.

There is also another problem: sometimes when I remove CD from the drive, explorer 'thinks' that it is still inserted -> you can see the contents of the CD which isn't present. OR when I insert another CD I see contents of previous CD. But when I try to access anything on it I get a blue screen and system dies.

I have isolated the problem and it is related to CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2226 which is distributed with uSP.
The problem disappears when I install original CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2222.
The problem occured on 3 different computers on which I have installed uSP.

Gape

Aug 20 2007, 04:54 AM

QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 20 2007, 01:20 PM)

After installing uSP 2.1a I do encounter a problem:

When I insert CD in one of my drives and immediately open My Computer the whole system freezes (incl. mouse cursor) until the disc in detected. This also happens when I have Nero launched and insert a CD.

There is also another problem: sometimes when I remove CD from the drive, explorer 'thinks' that it is still inserted -> you can see the contents of the CD which isn't present. OR when I insert another CD I see contents of previous CD. But when I try to access anything on it I get a blue screen and system dies.

I have isolated the problem and it is related to CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2226 which is distributed with uSP.
The problem disappears when I install original CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2222.
The problem occured on 3 different computers on which I have installed uSP.

Thank you very much. I will try to reproduce it. I also should check that if there are other CDVSD.VXD versions such as 2225, 2224 etc.

Targaff

Aug 20 2007, 04:58 AM

QUOTE (galahs @ Aug 20 2007, 10:19 AM)

I think it is better if you leave Metapad out. Many people don't require an updated replacement for Notepad.

In 2.1a at least it was an optional install; if people don't want it they don't have to install it. It's not like it's a massive increase to the file size, either.

Anyhow, all seems fine so far here. The only comments I would make are that I get "newer file exist" notifications for files relating to HTML Help files (hhupd.dll (?), ltirc.dll, ltss.dll and one other), so I ended up keeping the existing files. I didn't get the chance to check the different version infos, since I'm at work, but maybe this is something else that could be updated?

Windows does seem marginally more sluggish post-install, but that's pretty much unquantifiable, and it's hard to judge on a system like this one anyhow, so I'd maybe see whether anyone else has a similar experience.

Gape

Aug 20 2007, 05:40 AM

QUOTE (Targaff @ Aug 20 2007, 01:58 PM)

Anyhow, all seems fine so far here. The only comments I would make are that I get "newer file exist" notifications for files relating to HTML Help files (hhupd.dll (?), ltirc.dll, ltss.dll and one other), so I ended up keeping the existing files. I didn't get the chance to check the different version infos, since I'm at work, but maybe this is something else that could be updated?

Thanks. I will check it. Maybe there is a newer HTML Help update.

QUOTE

Windows does seem marginally more sluggish post-install, but that's pretty much unquantifiable, and it's hard to judge on a system like this one anyhow, so I'd maybe see whether anyone else has a similar experience.

When ? After rebooting ?

Targaff

Aug 20 2007, 08:11 AM

QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 20 2007, 12:40 PM)

QUOTE (Targaff @ Aug 20 2007, 01:58 PM)

Windows does seem marginally more sluggish post-install, but that's pretty much unquantifiable, and it's hard to judge on a system like this one anyhow, so I'd maybe see whether anyone else has a similar experience.

When ? After rebooting ?

Yeah, a bit - explorer windows taking more time than usual to open, for example. Like I said, though, this system is very much atypical (P4 matched with 128MB ram (!) on a dodgy network), so I wouldn't particularly trust it as representative. And it seems to have cleared up a bit now anyhow.

Gape

Aug 20 2007, 08:20 AM

QUOTE (Targaff @ Aug 20 2007, 05:11 PM)

Yeah, a bit - explorer windows taking more time than usual to open, for example. Like I said, though, this system is very much atypical (P4 matched with 128MB ram (!) on a dodgy network), so I wouldn't particularly trust it as representative. And it seems to have cleared up a bit now anyhow.

Could you give me a little more information about your system ? What did you have before installing 3.0a1 ? Did you have 2.1a ? Any other update pack ? IE version ?