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Tihiy
Thanks for release, Gape! Changelist looks promising and solid.

Problem:
infex.ini:
[RunPost]
shell.inf,SHELL32.W98

shell.inf:
Explorer.exe,,,4
Shell32.dll,,,4

Oh why the heck? Forcing installing explorer.exe and shell32.dll looks extremely wrong to me. It instantly breaks Revolutions Pack or 98SE2ME Option 3, why'd you do that? That'll also break 98Lite as well. Or that is supposed to run if shell32.w98 is NOT present? Looks like wrong way.
Those files should copy only if shell32.dll version is 4.72.*.

One more [minor] thing: infex main window hangs while installing INF. I think just disabling window and checking if process still running (via timer / GetProcessVersion/GetExitCodeProcess or directly in message loop) will be right thing.
Drugwash
My opinion: uSP should be kept as simple as possible. For 3rd party apps and other fancy stuff, there's Auto-Patcher doing a pretty good job. People can choose.
Gape
QUOTE (Tihiy @ Aug 20 2007, 07:45 PM) *
Oh why the heck? Forcing installing explorer.exe and shell32.dll looks extremely wrong to me. It instantly breaks Revolutions Pack or 98SE2ME Option 3, why'd you do that? That'll also break 98Lite as well. Or that is supposed to run if shell32.w98 is NOT present? Looks like wrong way.
Those files should copy only if shell32.dll version is 4.72.*.

One more [minor] thing: infex main window hangs while installing INF. I think just disabling window and checking if process still running (via timer / GetProcessVersion/GetExitCodeProcess or directly in message loop) will be right thing.

About shell.inf installation, I didn't focus it on the this release.

But you are right. Both of them are fixed for the next release. newwink.gif
Targaff
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 20 2007, 03:20 PM) *
Could you give me a little more information about your system ? What did you have before installing 3.0a1 ? Did you have 2.1a ? Any other update pack ? IE version ?

It had 2.1a and IE6 (up to date afaik), but no other update pack. Unfortunately I won't be using it for the rest of the week, so I can't check beyond that. TBH the difference was marginal and barely tangible, it's only because I'm used to the foibles of the computers at my work that I noticed.

HTH.
blackwire
Excellent work. A lot of updates and no bloat.
sleffing
Thanks.

I haven't installed yet but here are a couple
of observations.

Fdisk.exe is still the older version. Not petr's.

Services is not copied by default
but it's in preserve.inf.
Maybe that's your intent.

The slow properties display fix. Well...
Docprop.dll has this guid {3EA48300-8CF6-101B-84FB-666CCB9BCD32}.
Cryptext.dll has this guid {7444C719-39BF-11D1-8CD9-00C04FC29D45}.
you reference this post:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=67485

Spupdate.inf may be incorrect here.
My registry (on a mature installation) says:

CODE
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shellex\PropertySheetHandlers\\
{3EA48300-8CF6-101B-84FB-666CCB9BCD32}]
@=""

[HKEY_CLASSES_ROOT\*\shellex\PropertySheetHandlers\CryptoSignMenu]
@="{7444C719-39BF-11D1-8CD9-00C04FC29D45}"


That may not be accurate for a virgin install.

And.
I'm not sure if it's still necessary but, q265854,
Smartvsd.vxd being copied to the system directory
instead of iosubsys does not seem to be addressed at this time.
soporific
QUOTE (Gape @ Nov 30 2005, 06:15 AM) *
98 SE SP 3.0 ALPHA 1 woot.gif


Welcome back !!!

We've been busy while you were away ... i've been meaning to ask you about your Dial-up Networking 1.4 update pack but i've forgotten what the question was ... it was something to do with how to get it to install without an automatic reboot. My solution in the end was to create an AutoIT script and use that to cancel the 'Do you want to reboot now' prompt. But i'd prefer your method because it doesn't add one of the components ... anyway, i'm starting work on the new version of the UBCD project and i'll get around to working out what exactly i wanted to know ... i can't wait to test out the new version of the service pack ... again, welcome back!
celtish
Just installed sesp30a1.exe. No problems except that it seems to have knocked out the new My Computer and Recycle Bin icons.

Rapidshare is pretty last (english slang for pretty hopeless) so as a service to fellow members it can be downloaded from here

Test Version sesp30a1-en.exe
Eck
Heh heh, memories fade especially mine.

But I remember. What Gape's version of Dialup Networking 1.4 does is not install, or at least activate, Virtual Dialup Networking components that, for those who don't use Virtual Dialup Networking anyway, sometimes interferes with Ethernet Cable (or I suppose DSL too) internet.

I couldn't get a connection with my cable internet access using my ethernet PCI card and cable modem unless I would go ahead and uninstall Virtual Private Networking and delete the components of it from Network Properties.

With Gape's pack I didn't need to go through that hassle.

So now that things are better, thank G-d, WELCOME BACK GAPE! thumbup.gif

And, yeah, how did you manage that neat trick with Dialup Networking 1.4 Gape? No one else has been able to figure that out.

Somehow, since you've been gone, I've lost the ability to successfully install a stable Windows 98SE system. Anytime I do I get some inevitable error that causes Windows to either not be able to boot (Error loading Device IOS. Real Mode Memory Allocation failed), or the last time destruction of my partition table when installing the Via Hyperion drivers for the Sata controller.

Actually I haven't been thrilled with any Windows version since 98SE. Nowadays I took the plunge into purchasing Window Vista but it churns my hard drive so much and is so buggy that Explorer doesn't even recognize new files added or the deletion of files (some but not all) unless I restart after adding (like from a DVD rip) or deleting them (like deleting a large amount of files at one time).

I've been so disappointed with Vista that I usually use Linux nowadays nearly all the time. It's really awesome. However most of my older software, much of which still will run on Vista, will not run on Wine within Linux but ran best on Windows 98SE.

My systems are still from the mid XP period and so I get the best Windows performance out of them with either 98SE or XP. But then even XP won't run some of my older stuff at all or not as well as on 98SE.

If you can get an updated pack out that, for reasons entirely unknown to me, does allow me to use Windows 98SE stable on it, that would be awesome. I would just go back to installing major stuff like Internet Explorer 6 SP1, Direct X, WMP 9, etc. individually like I used to and combine that with your Service Pack for the updates.

Well, at least it would give me incentive to try 98SE out again. I love how the Auto-Patcher lets us zip through installing just about everything we need for 98SE but I really haven't been able to successfully use 98SE since your Service Pack was the only option besides either trusting Windows Update (not even available anymore and it wasn't trustworthy on 98SE when it was), or installing each one individually.

There's something in the newer updates or newer versions of some software that wreaks havoc on my systems, and I mean ANY of my computers. Even those that are old enough that they were designed in 98SE's day. I just can't run the thing these days.

I'd use your pack and install the rest of the updates by hand like the old days and see what happens.

I do remember that using your pack effected the order of Microsoft Office installs because of some MDAC files. Newer Office versions had to be installed after your pack and older versions needed to be installed ahead of your pack. It was kind of confusing but if I did it wrong Windows was shot to death and wouldn't startup.

So if successful I'd run Linux most of the time and go into Windows for using older games and music creation stuff from that period. Since Vista runs like crap on these machines I'd just wait until someday building a new computer (years down the road) before using it again, but might dual-boot on that hard drive with XP Pro for DVD video purposes. I use a second hard drive for Linux, Debian Lenny being my distro right now.

I just hate to boot into Vista so I'm missing out on my large amounts of Windows software purchased over the years even though I successfully installed and used a lot of it on Vista. I just don't want to boot into it and sit and wait while the hard drive churns to shortening of its lifespan and I have to deal with all the bugs of the new operating system.

I like the old bugs better! laugh.gif

So yeah, I can't wait until you get the new pack finalized after all the modern updates are figured out.

I have no idea if it'll work any better this way than using the Auto-Patcher as the updates should be essentially the same, but I'm willing to give it a go just to try something.

Darn it though. I've always installed most of the stuff in the Auto-Patcher anyway and it is so easy to just run that program and let it do it for me. But if somehow your installations can give me stability back it will be well worth the work for me. I can't see what's the difference but I remember a time when I could run Windows 98SE on these motherboards and the last time I could do that was back when your pack was current.

Looking forward to having some fun.
herbalist
Two questions.
1, Is it necessary for IE6 to be installed in order to use SP 3.0?
2, Can it be used when Internet Explorer has been removed by IEradicator?

I have a 98SE test unit nearly completed as far as applications are concerned. I've installed no patches save what was necessary to get the other apps to work. IE, WMP, etc have not been updated as I haven't decided if I want Internet Explorer at all.
Rick
ElectricString
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 20 2007, 10:54 AM) *
QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 20 2007, 01:20 PM) *
After installing uSP 2.1a I do encounter a problem:

When I insert CD in one of my drives and immediately open My Computer the whole system freezes (incl. mouse cursor) until the disc in detected. This also happens when I have Nero launched and insert a CD.

There is also another problem: sometimes when I remove CD from the drive, explorer 'thinks' that it is still inserted -> you can see the contents of the CD which isn't present. OR when I insert another CD I see contents of previous CD. But when I try to access anything on it I get a blue screen and system dies.

I have isolated the problem and it is related to CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2226 which is distributed with uSP.
The problem disappears when I install original CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2222.
The problem occured on 3 different computers on which I have installed uSP.

Thank you very much. I will try to reproduce it. I also should check that if there are other CDVSD.VXD versions such as 2225, 2224 etc.

I have CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2224 from KB265314.
Get it here :Download site
Hope this helps biggrin.gif
Targaff
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 20 2007, 12:40 PM) *
Thanks. I will check it. Maybe there is a newer HTML Help update.


For the record the numbers are:

HH.exe - 5.02.3790.1830
HHsetup.dll - 5.02.3790.1830
ltirc.dll - 5.02.3790.1830
ltss.dll - 5.02.3790.1830
blackwire
I noticed that you are using explorer.exe *.1700. MDGx has a newer version *.1710.

* Unofficial Windows 98 SE 256 Colors Icons Explorer EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 Fix:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/explor9x.php
- EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 Patch [172 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/EXPLOR98.EXE
Drugwash
This may not be the right place to report it, but I'm having some issues once in a while with that version of Explorer.

As I keep my taskbar autohidden at the top of the screen, occasionally, when some window is maximized (happens mostly with SlimBrowser but not only), the taskbar does not show up, but a horizontal line about 1 px high can be seen, changing colored pixels as if each line of the taskbar would be painted over the previous, at the same position.

This doesn't happen too often and can be overcome by minimizing/maximizing the window causing this effect, while quickly hovering the taskbar, to be visible while the window gets maximized. This trick may be hard to perform on a fast system, but my 800MHz Pentium III is slow enough to allow it.
blackwire
The *.1700 explorer crashed on me when I was using winamp 5.35. It only happened once though, so it might be a one time thing. I don't have any problems with the taskbar with *.1710. But of course I run the taskbar in the default mode on the bottom. I wonder what if any difference there is between the two different builds. I will say that both *.17xx builds run far better than the one that came with win98se.
Gape
Thank you all for very important and valuable feedback.

QUOTE (sleffing @ Aug 21 2007, 02:52 AM) *
Fdisk.exe, Services, Slow properties, q265854...

All of them will be fixed on Alpha 2.

QUOTE (soporific @ Aug 21 2007, 03:49 AM) *
We've been busy while you were away ... i've been meaning to ask you about your Dial-up Networking 1.4 update pack but i've forgotten what the question was ... it was something to do with how to get it to install without an automatic reboot. My solution in the end was to create an AutoIT script and use that to cancel the 'Do you want to reboot now' prompt. But i'd prefer your method because it doesn't add one of the components ... anyway, i'm starting work on the new version of the UBCD project and i'll get around to working out what exactly i wanted to know ... i can't wait to test out the new version of the service pack ... again, welcome back!

uSP doesn't contain the full package of DUN 1.4. I extracted and added only necessary parts of it.

QUOTE (celtish @ Aug 21 2007, 05:18 AM) *
Just installed sesp30a1.exe. No problems except that it seems to have knocked out the new My Computer and Recycle Bin icons.

Desktop icons will be return on Alpha 2.

QUOTE (ElectricString @ Aug 21 2007, 02:49 PM) *
I have CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2224 from KB265314.
Get it here :Download site
Hope this helps biggrin.gif

Xeno86, can you try this ?

QUOTE (Targaff @ Aug 21 2007, 06:44 PM) *
For the record the numbers are:
HH.exe - 5.02.3790.1830
HHsetup.dll - 5.02.3790.1830
ltirc.dll - 5.02.3790.1830
ltss.dll - 5.02.3790.1830

I could not find the source, where are they from ? Any idea ?

QUOTE (blackwire @ Aug 21 2007, 08:43 PM) *
I noticed that you are using explorer.exe *.1700. MDGx has a newer version *.1710.

* Unofficial Windows 98 SE 256 Colors Icons Explorer EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 Fix:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/explor9x.php
- EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 Patch [172 KB, English]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/EXPLOR98.EXE

1700 is from IE6.0SP1. But I am not sure about 1710. What is its source ? Maybe MDGx modified the version.
noguru
From the W9x updates topic:

QUOTE
7-13-2007

EXPLOR98 + ITEXPL98:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#9SU
English: New EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1710 from IE 4.01 SP2 modded with 256 colors icons + "Windows 98 Second Edition" Start banner. Added version check in SED file.
soporific
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 22 2007, 05:31 PM) *
uSP doesn't contain the full package of DUN 1.4. I extracted and added only necessary parts of it.

My wish is to be able to make a stand-alone installer package that can be run silently. If i knew how you managed to incorporate it into uSP, i will have a great chance of being able to use that knowledge to make a proper iexpress package that DOES install silently. Can you help?
Xeno86
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 22 2007, 09:31 AM) *
QUOTE (ElectricString @ Aug 21 2007, 02:49 PM) *
I have CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2224 from KB265314.
Get it here :Download site
Hope this helps biggrin.gif

Xeno86, can you try this ?

As for now 4.10.2224 works ok.
erpdude8
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 22 2007, 02:31 AM) *
QUOTE (Targaff @ Aug 21 2007, 06:44 PM) *
For the record the numbers are:
HH.exe - 5.02.3790.1830
HHsetup.dll - 5.02.3790.1830
ltirc.dll - 5.02.3790.1830
ltss.dll - 5.02.3790.1830

I could not find the source, where are they from ? Any idea ?



From Windows Server 2003 SP1. DO NOT USE THESE HTML HELP FILES!!!
They cause some CHM files not to work correctly under Win98 SE. Just use the HTML Help files from MDGx's unofficial HTML Help package:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/HHUPD.EXE

Just use version 5.2.3790.309 of the hh.exe, hhsetup.dll, itircl.dll & itss.dll files from KB896358 for Win98 and hhctrl.ocx v5.2.3790.2748 from KB935448. All five of these files are also included in MDGx's Html Help pack and work properly with the CHM files under Win98 SE.

QUOTE
1700 is from IE6.0SP1. But I am not sure about 1710. What is its source ? Maybe MDGx modified the version.


I modded this one, Gape. explorer.exe build 1710 is no different from 1700 except for very minor tweaks that I'll keep quiet about.

btw - welcome back!
erpdude8
QUOTE (ElectricString @ Aug 21 2007, 06:49 AM) *
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 20 2007, 10:54 AM) *
QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 20 2007, 01:20 PM) *
After installing uSP 2.1a I do encounter a problem:

When I insert CD in one of my drives and immediately open My Computer the whole system freezes (incl. mouse cursor) until the disc in detected. This also happens when I have Nero launched and insert a CD.

There is also another problem: sometimes when I remove CD from the drive, explorer 'thinks' that it is still inserted -> you can see the contents of the CD which isn't present. OR when I insert another CD I see contents of previous CD. But when I try to access anything on it I get a blue screen and system dies.

I have isolated the problem and it is related to CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2226 which is distributed with uSP.
The problem disappears when I install original CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2222.
The problem occured on 3 different computers on which I have installed uSP.

Thank you very much. I will try to reproduce it. I also should check that if there are other CDVSD.VXD versions such as 2225, 2224 etc.

I have CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2224 from KB265314.
Get it here :Download site
Hope this helps biggrin.gif


weird, I don't have the problem Xeno86 is having on my next door neighbor's Win98 SE computer with cdvsd.vxd 4.10.2226 [this version is from Q274370 and the Q274370 patches are bundled inside the Intel Application Accelerator software). Xeno86 may have bad or outdated firmware for his CD drives.

I just hope his own KernelEx software didn't cause the CD problems on his Win98se machines.

Q265405 has cdvsd.vxd 4.10.2225 {KB article no longer available from MS support}
Xeno86
QUOTE (erpdude8 @ Aug 22 2007, 06:20 PM) *
QUOTE (ElectricString @ Aug 21 2007, 06:49 AM) *
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 20 2007, 10:54 AM) *
QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 20 2007, 01:20 PM) *
After installing uSP 2.1a I do encounter a problem:

When I insert CD in one of my drives and immediately open My Computer the whole system freezes (incl. mouse cursor) until the disc in detected. This also happens when I have Nero launched and insert a CD.

There is also another problem: sometimes when I remove CD from the drive, explorer 'thinks' that it is still inserted -> you can see the contents of the CD which isn't present. OR when I insert another CD I see contents of previous CD. But when I try to access anything on it I get a blue screen and system dies.

I have isolated the problem and it is related to CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2226 which is distributed with uSP.
The problem disappears when I install original CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2222.
The problem occured on 3 different computers on which I have installed uSP.

Thank you very much. I will try to reproduce it. I also should check that if there are other CDVSD.VXD versions such as 2225, 2224 etc.

I have CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2224 from KB265314.
Get it here :Download site
Hope this helps biggrin.gif


weird, I don't have the problem Xeno86 is having on my next door neighbor's Win98 SE computer with cdvsd.vxd 4.10.2226 [this version is from Q274370 and the Q274370 patches are bundled inside the Intel Application Accelerator software). Xeno86 may have bad or outdated firmware for his CD drives.

Q265405 has cdvsd.vxd 4.10.2225 {KB article no longer available from MS support}


Well actually I was wondering what program has installed that buggy cdvsd.vxd 4.10.2226 on my laptop with Intel i830 chipset rolleyes.gif
I don't think that my DVD drives are faulty or have outdated firmware. They are different brands, and the problem also exists on a drive I bought this year.
So as I stated before - the problem occurs on 3 different computers with different chipsets and and different drives. With 4.10.2224 it works ok so far.

I also think that it is significant (quote from Q274370):
QUOTE
A supported fix is now available from Microsoft, but it is only intended to correct the problem that is described in this article. Apply it only to computers that are experiencing this specific problem.
dencorso
QUOTE (Gape @ Nov 29 2005, 05:15 PM) *
* Updated NDIS.VXD + PPPMAC.VXD + VIP.386 [to Q301453].


Hi, Gape! You mean Q329128, for sure! That one was really hard to get. Congratulations! thumbup.gif
So, now, the only one no one has ever seen is Q265528 (the famous Vnetbios.vxd 4.10.0.2223)...
Keep on the great work! Win 98 SE rules!
Gape
QUOTE (soporific @ Aug 22 2007, 02:57 PM) *
My wish is to be able to make a stand-alone installer package that can be run silently. If i knew how you managed to incorporate it into uSP, i will have a great chance of being able to use that knowledge to make a proper iexpress package that DOES install silently. Can you help?

Got it. It was very long time ago that I added DUN 1.4 support, so I should look my notes, and examine it again. I will provide more information soon.

QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 22 2007, 06:00 PM) *
As for now 4.10.2224 works ok.

Thanks, good. Maybe 2226 supports only some Intel chipsets, or it requires IAA. Any idea ? I will keep 2226 version in uSP until we have more information about this issue.

QUOTE (erpdude8 @ Aug 22 2007, 06:57 PM) *
From Windows Server 2003 SP1. DO NOT USE THESE HTML HELP FILES!!!

QUOTE
1700 is from IE6.0SP1. But I am not sure about 1710. What is its source ? Maybe MDGx modified the version.

I modded this one, Gape. explorer.exe build 1710 is no different from 1700 except for very minor tweaks that I'll keep quiet about.

Thanks for the feedback. But very minor tweaks that you'll keep quiet about ? wacko.gif So, It will not be included in uSP.
Xeno86
And what about 48-bit LBA patch by LLXX (http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=78592) ? Are you going to add it to uSP?
dencorso
QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 22 2007, 04:21 PM) *
QUOTE (erpdude8 @ Aug 22 2007, 06:20 PM) *
QUOTE (ElectricString @ Aug 21 2007, 06:49 AM) *
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 20 2007, 10:54 AM) *
QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 20 2007, 01:20 PM) *
After installing uSP 2.1a I do encounter a problem:

When I insert CD in one of my drives and immediately open My Computer the whole system freezes (incl. mouse cursor) until the disc in detected. This also happens when I have Nero launched and insert a CD.

There is also another problem: sometimes when I remove CD from the drive, explorer 'thinks' that it is still inserted -> you can see the contents of the CD which isn't present. OR when I insert another CD I see contents of previous CD. But when I try to access anything on it I get a blue screen and system dies.

I have isolated the problem and it is related to CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2226 which is distributed with uSP.
The problem disappears when I install original CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2222.
The problem occured on 3 different computers on which I have installed uSP.

Thank you very much. I will try to reproduce it. I also should check that if there are other CDVSD.VXD versions such as 2225, 2224 etc.

I have CDVSD.VXD 4.10.2224 from KB265314.
Get it here :Download site
Hope this helps biggrin.gif


weird, I don't have the problem Xeno86 is having on my next door neighbor's Win98 SE computer with cdvsd.vxd 4.10.2226 [this version is from Q274370 and the Q274370 patches are bundled inside the Intel Application Accelerator software). Xeno86 may have bad or outdated firmware for his CD drives.

Q265405 has cdvsd.vxd 4.10.2225 {KB article no longer available from MS support}


Well actually I was wondering what program has installed that buggy cdvsd.vxd 4.10.2226 on my laptop with Intel i830 chipset rolleyes.gif
I don't think that my DVD drives are faulty or have outdated firmware. They are different brands, and the problem also exists on a drive I bought this year.
So as I stated before - the problem occurs on 3 different computers with different chipsets and and different drives. With 4.10.2224 it works ok so far.

I also think that it is significant (quote from Q274370):
QUOTE
A supported fix is now available from Microsoft, but it is only intended to correct the problem that is described in this article. Apply it only to computers that are experiencing this specific problem.



I had the same issue as described by Xeno86, and have solved it also by downgrading CDVSD.VXD to 4.10.0.2224.
Thanks a whole lot, ElectricString, you rock! thumbup.gif
BTW, my DVD drive is an LG HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GSA-4163B, and I don't use KernelEx at the moment, so it has nothing to do with this issue.

The KB265405 can still be retrieved thanks to the Internet Archive. Find it here:
http://web.archive.org/web/20010717122838/...s/q265/4/05.asp

As for the hotfix itself, it seems not to be available anywhere... but I'm willing to test it also, if any of you find it and post it here.

Changing subjects, I've updated my VIP.386 from 4.10.0.2227 to 4.10.0.2228, and it got less resource hungry, when surfing the internet. Thanks, Gape! thumbup.gif
Gape
QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 24 2007, 12:09 AM) *
And what about 48-bit LBA patch by LLXX (http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=78592) ? Are you going to add it to uSP?

Yes, probably.

QUOTE (dencorso @ Aug 24 2007, 08:02 AM) *
I had the same issue as described by Xeno86, and have solved it also by downgrading CDVSD.VXD to 4.10.0.2224.

As for the hotfix itself, it seems not to be available anywhere... but I'm willing to test it also, if any of you find it and post it here.

Changing subjects, I've updated my VIP.386 from 4.10.0.2227 to 4.10.0.2228, and it got less resource hungry, when surfing the internet. Thanks, Gape! thumbup.gif

Thanks for the feedback. Now, we know that at least 4 different computers have problems with 2226. So, I am planning to replace 2226 with 2224 in uSP.
If anybody has 2225, please post it.

CODE
Current situation of 3.0 Alpha 2

Thanks to Tihiy, sleffing, erpdude8.

* Added GDIPLUS.DLL.
* Added 2_4DATE.EXE.
* Added WIN.INI ShortDate fix.
! Added RUNHELP.CAB.
! Added "key bindings patch" for NOTEPAD.EXE.
- Added optional Windows 2000 Theme (Color Scheme and Desktop Icons).
- Uninstallation of MS Java is silently now.
x Added Q265854 (RUNPOST.BAT).
x Added 98lite Sleek support (RUNPOST.BAT).
x Update INFEX [to 0.5.1].
x Corrected SHELL.INF.
x Corrected FDISK.EXE.
x Fixed copying of SERVICES problem.
x Corrected fix of "slow down properties" problem.
x Added missing Q835732 registration lines.


What do you think to add these as optional parts into uSP ? Please share your ideas.

- Windows Media Player 6.4.07.1129 (1.5 MB).
- WinTop.
blackwire
Wintop would be great. Tweakui would be nice as well. Isn't wmp 6.4 already installed by ie6sp1 though? Seems a little redundant.
Max_04
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 23 2007, 08:47 AM) *
QUOTE (soporific @ Aug 22 2007, 02:57 PM) *
My wish is to be able to make a stand-alone installer package that can be run silently. If i knew how you managed to incorporate it into uSP, i will have a great chance of being able to use that knowledge to make a proper iexpress package that DOES install silently. Can you help?

Got it. It was very long time ago that I added DUN 1.4 support, so I should look my notes, and examine it again. I will provide more information soon.


I wanna know it too, thank you. welcome.gif
Xeno86
Wintop is a good idea!
Also you might consider adding this small program.

QUOTE
Info:
Makes desktop icon text background transparent.

Features:
Keeps transparency after explorer crash.
Keeps transparency after resuming from suspend.

Download:
Click to view attachment
Tihiy
QUOTE
Also you might consider adding this small program.

Sorry, Xeno86, but your program is just no good:
- Resident [processes are expensive]
- Not using message-loop [wrong design and thus CPU usage]
- Can cause deadlocks [timered send-message]

The right design will be:
- Load into explorer.exe as DLL [injecting, or better, using ShellServiceObjectDelayLoad]
- Hook list-view and update color only when needed

I can write such tool if anybody wants.
Xeno86
QUOTE (Tihiy @ Aug 24 2007, 02:58 PM) *
QUOTE
Also you might consider adding this small program.

Sorry, Xeno86, but your program is just no good:
- Resident [processes are expensive]
- Not using message-loop [wrong design and thus CPU usage]
- Can cause deadlocks [timered send-message]

The right design will be:
- Load into explorer.exe as DLL [injecting, or better, using ShellServiceObjectDelayLoad]
- Hook list-view and update color only when needed

I can write such tool if anybody wants.



You're probably right. In fact there was a similar tool installed with the polish edition of uSP. I have written an enhanced version for myself, which monitors background color changes and keeps it always transparent, because it was annoyed me that it wasn't transparent after resume from suspend. I saw that english uSP lacks such feature and thus decided to share with my program. If you want to further enhance it then I can provide the source code.

btw. Wintop says that after 3,5h it used 1 cpu sec so it isn't THAT bad rolleyes.gif .
noguru
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 24 2007, 10:29 AM) *
Thanks for the feedback. Now, we know that at least 4 different computers have problems with 2226. So, I am planning to replace 2226 with 2224 in uSP.
If anybody has 2225, please post it.


Make that 5. And thumbs up for Xeno for noticing that this file causes this problem.
bristols
QUOTE (noguru @ Aug 24 2007, 05:43 PM) *
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 24 2007, 10:29 AM) *
Thanks for the feedback. Now, we know that at least 4 different computers have problems with 2226. So, I am planning to replace 2226 with 2224 in uSP.
If anybody has 2225, please post it.


Make that 5. And thumbs up for Xeno for noticing that this file causes this problem.


Make that 6. 2224 seems to have solved the same problem for me too.
erpdude8
QUOTE (dencorso @ Aug 24 2007, 12:02 AM) *
Changing subjects, I've updated my VIP.386 from 4.10.0.2227 to 4.10.0.2228, and it got less resource hungry, when surfing the internet. Thanks, Gape! thumbup.gif


wow, dencorso, you have VIP.386 version 4.10.2228? GREAT! I believe that is found in the KB329128 hotfix for Win98. I think it is now available if Win98se users can ask for it now since it wasn't available a few years ago. See my latest post on how to request hotfixes from Microsoft here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showto...31579&st=80

all you have to do is fill out the Microsoft Hotfix Request Form mentioned at the link from my latest post and voila, you'll instantly get a response from MS support with a "secret" link to get the hotfix and the password to extract its contents.

Gape, if you need some more Win98se hotfixes, just go to the Microsoft Hotfix Request page, fill out the required info there and MS may give them to you.
dencorso
QUOTE (erpdude8 @ Aug 24 2007, 07:35 PM) *
QUOTE (dencorso @ Aug 24 2007, 12:02 AM) *
Changing subjects, I've updated my VIP.386 from 4.10.0.2227 to 4.10.0.2228, and it got less resource hungry, when surfing the internet. Thanks, Gape! thumbup.gif

wow, dencorso, you have VIP.386 version 4.10.2228? GREAT! I believe that is found in the KB329128 hotfix for Win98. I think it is now available if Win98se users can ask for it now since it wasn't available a few years ago. See my latest post on how to request hotfixes from Microsoft here:
http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showto...31579&st=80

Well, erpdude8, the merit is Gape's in getting it. I found it inside...

QUOTE (Gape @ Nov 29 2005, 05:15 PM) *
98 SE SP 3.0 ALPHA 1 woot.gif

Download.
(19924 KB)

THIS VERSION IS FOR TESTERS ONLY!

Please, write ANY comment (If it even works properly, write it).

... and was just giving some feedback. If you downloaded it, you too already have it. yes.gif But you're right: I pointed out early up (and perhaps am guilty of understatement) that Gape's reference...

QUOTE (Gape @ Nov 29 2005, 05:15 PM) *
* Updated NDIS.VXD + PPPMAC.VXD + VIP.386 [to Q301453].

... must be a mistake, because Q301453 doesn't refer to such files. So I got curious, downloaded the pack, grabbed the files from inside it and checked their versions. I was amazed to find out that all 3 files are those known to comprise Q329128, and proceeded to test them at once, except PPPMAC.VXD, because I use WinME files for my Winsock / Internet interface, as described by MDGx. The bottom line is VIP.386 4.10.0.2228 makes my surfing experience smoother, with less resource drain than v. 2227, whereas NDIS.VXD 4.10.0.2226 seems to facilitate the occurrence of "Internet Explorer will be closed" type errors, so I downgraded to v. 2225 back again. Yet, when I have more time I'll give it a more thorough testing. For the moment, however, I'll keep just vip.386 v. 2228 in my system.

Note added Sept 28 2007 => I tested further and found NDIS.VXD 4.10.0.2226 did not cause the errors I described above. I reported that I'm now convinced it works OK here.
sleffing
Gape,
Thank you for the massive effort this must take.

I test installed/uninstalled the logos.
I installed the LOGO update by itself. Unchecking all else in the installer.
An error like 'rootsupd.inf is not found' popped up.
I dismissed the error box and the logos installed, backed up and all was good.
-------
So I went to uninstall the LOGOS from add/remove and had an error...not the same as you, though.
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 17 2007, 03:41 AM) *
- "COMCTL32.DLL file cannot start" problem during uninstallation of Adaptec ASPI or Boot/Shutdown logos.


It went into a loop. No error boxes.
I hit ctrl-alt-delete and killed 1 of the many instances of rundll.
That stopped the looping and the uninstall finished without further error.
It did create a bunch of entries in advpack.log and 100 or so randomly named .PNF files in the inf directory.

Now that I think about it maybe I would have gotten the error
"COMCTL32.DLL file cannot start" if I had waited long enough.
Gape
Thanks all. Your feedback is great.

QUOTE (sleffing @ Aug 25 2007, 07:24 PM) *
It went into a loop. No error boxes.
I hit ctrl-alt-delete and killed 1 of the many instances of rundll.

You found the problem. thumbup.gif

Loop was the key word. I fixed the problem, it works properly !

Thank you.
Targaff
QUOTE (erpdude8 @ Aug 22 2007, 04:57 PM) *
From Windows Server 2003 SP1. DO NOT USE THESE HTML HELP FILES!!!

Really? Huh, haven't a clue where those came from, then - I know the admin didn't update the computer, and I certainly didn't put them there...

Thanks for that heads-up newwink.gif not much I can do about it, but good to know.
Targaff
QUOTE (Xeno86 @ Aug 24 2007, 01:43 PM) *
Also you might consider adding this small program.

I prefer 545's DIcons for this (which no-one seems to have heard of). I find the extra customizability useful, but unfortunately it doesn't have the crash "protection"...
MDGx
Gape,

Welcome back.
I have tested SP 3.01 alpha.
Keep up the good work.
Looking forward to test your final version of SP 3.01.

Could you please post [or email me, whatever is more convenient for you] the Q312586 [KBDSP.KBD] + Q329128 [VIP.386 4.10.2228] hotfixes, so I can post them here:
http://www.mdgx.com/web.htm#98SE

P.S.:
I took a look at the TIMEZONE.INF you're using in SP 3.01. It has the "old style" names, without "Standard Time" after each Time Zone name [XP/2003 do have the "Standard Time" in all Time Zone names = M$ changed this ~ 2-3 years ago in all M$ OSes].
Please take a look at the Q933360 fix [newest, contains all M$ fixes up to date], it has the "new style" INF [from XP/2003]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/Q933360.EXE
Also, adding these registry values, as listed in your TIMEZONE.INF:
QUOTE
HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",DisableAutoDaylightTimeSet,3,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF,0xFF
HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",ActiveTimeBias,3,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00
HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",StandardName,2,"!!!First Boot!!!"
HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",DaylightName,2,"!!!First Boot!!!"
HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",Bias,3,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00
HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",StandardBias,3,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00
HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",DaylightBias,3,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00
HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",StandardStart,3,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x0

HKLM,"System\CurrentControlSet\control\TimeZoneInformation",DaylightStart,3,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x00,0x0
forces the user to reset manually the time zone name correspondent to one's real time zone [especially outside USA], and then select the "DST" box [if appropriate for one's local TZ] = annoying, because the time zone in this INF applies only to USA users. All other users must do this manually.
Reg values above should not be modified, they are changed properly by:
(1) running the TIMEZONE.EXE tool with proper switches [see below] or
(2) when the user resets the TZ values manually, using Control Panel -> Date/Time Properties CPL.
Q933360.EXE uses TIMEZONE.EXE command line tool [from M$ Win98 Resource kit]:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/services/technet/...ig/TIMEZONE.EXE
respectively [see Q933360.INF]:
TIMEZONE.EXE 02-0-2-03 02-0-1-11
to properly reset the Time Zone and the DST automatically, without user intervention or need for a reboot, independent of user geographical location or TZ.
M$ uses a similar tool [TZCHANGE.EXE] to do this in XP/2003/Vista, the "official" way.

Appreciate your time.
Many thanks.
Gape
ALPHA 2 is released !

MDGx, thanks for the feedback. I only added most important part, TIMEZONE.EXE, for Alpha 2. Please let me know, if there is any other problem.
Big Monstro
Hello Gape.
I am delighted to learn that you have decided to resume the development of Service Packs for Windows 98 SE :-)

Since the release of the last stable version (29th November 2005, already more than 20 months ago),
your SP was installed by a lot of people, what allows having an important feedback as you can note.

In the same viewpoint as the others, I write this message to add my comments/questions/opinions....

1) I think you should continue to include updates for IE 5 because, as you wrote, firstly the users don't always
upgrade to IE 6 and secondly it's a part of operating system.

2) I'm surprised that the version of rootsupd included in alpha SP is the 13th. I have Windows 2000 PRO (in addition to
Windows 98 of course) and the latest version proposed by Windows Update on win2k is the ninth. If I set up a later
version, the version 9,0,2195,0 show up on Windows Update website ! Must I deduce that the Microsoft website has
a problem ? If the version 13,0,2195,0 is compatible with Windows 98, it's logically ready for Windows 2000...

3) I prefer you put back Metapad. I agree on Drugwash's opinion "SP should be kept as simple as possible."
but this 3rd party was present in the previous SPs and by definition, a Service Pack is cumulative. Consequently, I think the third SP should include all files of second SP except those are buggy (e.g. CDVSD.VXD - 4.10.0.2226).
Moreover, the size of Metapad 3.5x is only 94 KB, why left out it ?

4) I have just downloaded and decompressed the SP 3.0 Alpha 2 (I cannot test at the moment because no-English
Windows 98 in my computer) and I noticed that you added notepad.exe. However, the version of file is 4.10.0.1998
(the same as original file in fact) while the size is the same as the version included in FE SP 2.08 by erpdude8...
Apparently, you forget to change the number version (the correct number is 4.10.0.1999)

5) You added wupdmgr.exe (5.3.220.1000). What's new in this version ? What problem fixes ?
Moreover, I don't understand the useful seeing that Microsoft stopped support since 11th July 2006...

6) I read this in the changelog "Added 98lite Sleek support (RUNPOST.BAT).". What is the SLEEK ?


Thank you for your answers and good work.

BigM.
Acheron
No MetaPad or other 3rd party tools please. A service pack should be as clean as possible. I'm suprised Gape has started developing for Windows 98 again. I personally wouldn't put that much energy in it.
MDGx
I have tested 3.0 alpha 2.
My findings + suggestions:

1. The 2 [short] to 4 [long] digit date tweak changed my custom sShortDate value in WIN.INI [and probably in the registry too] from:
sShortDate=M·d·yy
to:
sShortDate=M/d/yyyy
I had to change it back after I installed 3.0 alpha 2.

2. Your MSASN1.DLL has different date/time stamp [older] and file size [smaller] than the one I have.
Yours:
53520 bytes March 5 2004
Mine:
53592 bytes April 8 2005
I recall erpdude8 sent it to me a while back.
The newer msasn1.dll is available as part of CRYPT9X.EXE [666 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/CRYPT9X.EXE

3. Your EXTRAC32.EXE [installed into %windir%] is older [from XP SP2 = 5.1.2600.2180] than the 1 installed by 98SE2ME [from 2003 Server = 5.2.3790.0].
If you want newer extrac32.exe [25 KB]:
Click to view attachment
4. You added RUNHELP.CAB from RUNHELP.EXE , but you did not add the improved HTMLHELP.HTM.
This htmlhelp.htm is better, because it detects if:
- Javascript is disabled = must be enabled for this to work.
- the HTM was opened in any other browser than IE = this works only with IE. If using any other browser than IE, the user can see the instructions on how to (re)open the HTM again in IE, so the script can work.
- original HTM leaves the web page open [annoying], even after the user has closed WINDOWS.CHM = mine closes the HTM automatically in 30 seconds [even if the user doesn't close it manually] after the user has closed windows.chm.
If you want to add HTMLHELP.HTM = part of RUNHELP.EXE [107 KB, please download it again, I have updated it]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/RUNHELP.EXE

5. You are still using the old EXPLORER.EXE 4.72.3612.1700 .
Erpdude8 sent me a newer one a while back = 4.72.3612.1710 .
EXPLOR98.EXE installs the newer file, which is already modded with the 256 colors fix and contains the "Windows 98 SE" Start banner [172 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/EXPLOR98.EXE

6. Anonymous author sent me the fixed WINFILE.EXE 4.10.1999 = installs as part of WINFIL98.EXE [320 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/WINFIL98.EXE

7. Your NOTEPAD.EXE is older [4.10.1998] than the one erpdude8 made [4.10.1999] = fixed the problem with opening files > 64 KB = now redirects correctly to open them with Wordpad.
The newer one installs as part of Notepad fix [121 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NPUPDW98.EXE

8. I haven't seen ESDI_506.PDR 4.10.2225 modded by LLXX with support for HDs > 137 GB.
3.0 alpha 2 still installs older ESDI_506.PDR 4.10.2225 [original by M$].

9. I got an error mesage that notepad.exe was not found in %windir% [C:\W98 in my case].
To avoid such errors, you may wish to change the script to a batch file which does not specify the path for notepad [if the path would not be specified, the installer would have found it, I have notepad.exe on another drive + directory, both included in the PATH].
For example you can use this line in a batch file:
IF EXIST READ1ST.TXT NOTEPAD.EXE READ1ST.TXT
I use something similar in HOSTS0.EXE [670 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/HOSTS0.EXE
Open HOSTS0.EXE in WinZIP or any other unzipper to extract/view its files.
Open ZHOST0.BAT in Notepad to see the command line I'm talking about.
This might also work if using a "RunPostSetupCommands" directive in your INF (example):

[Version]
Signature=$CHICAGO$
AdvancedINF=2.5
[DefaultInstall]
RunPostSetupCommands=RP:1
[RP]
"NOTEPAD.EXE READ1ST.TXT"

If this doesn't work as above, you may want to replace the command:
"NOTEPAD.EXE READ1ST.TXT"
with a batch file that does the same thing (example):

[RP]
READ1ST.BAT

READ1ST.BAT lines (example):

@ECHO OFF
IF EXIST READ1ST.TXT NOTEPAD.EXE READ1ST.TXT
CLS
EXIT


Keep up the good work. thumbup.gif


HTH [Hope This Helps]
Max_04
@ Gape:

Remember also to create a silent installer of dun14-se and (better) to provide some instructions about, so I can realize a localized version for my language. newwink.gif
Big Monstro
QUOTE (Gape @ Aug 29 2007, 11:40 AM) *
Although this version contains unofficial versions of them, Q891711, and Q918547 will show up on the Windows Update.

About these two updates, I noticed that Windows Update engine searchs the files KB891711.EXE, Q891711.DLL, KB918547.EXE et Q918547.DLL in
"%WINBOOTDIR%\SYSTEM\Kb891711" and "%WINBOOTDIR%\SYSTEM\Kb918547"

It doesn't scan keys like [HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates\W98] or [HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Active Setup\Installed Components] for the Q891711 and Q918547 updates

Consequently, on a system where 891711 and 918547 haven't never installed, if you add these four files to "%WINBOOTDIR%\SYSTEM\KB891711" and "%WINBOOTDIR%\SYSTEM\Kb918547" WITHOUT installing the two hotfixes (by using WinZip for example), Q891711 and Q918547 will NOT show up on the Windows Update. The total size of these files is only 25 920 octets.
Drugwash
Does it also scan for file length/other particular details, or only for filename? Because those files could be replaced by dummy omonimous 0-byte length files, if the latter.
Gape
Hello all,

I will be not available for one week. BTW, I am still working on the beta version. Hopefully, I will release it, when I am back.

Thanks for the patience.
the_guy
This looks good so far Gape.

I was able to obtain KB243174, which, while updating some DirectX files (The version included in 98SE), also updates msdv.sys to version 4.10.2224. Would you like me to send this to you?

the_guy
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