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Fencer128

Feb 20 2006, 06:30 AM

Hi,

Since Intel moved to their 10.x drivers I've not had any issues with getting their hardware RIS compliant.

However, we're just in the process of migrating from Intel 915GUX PRO/100 VE based motherboards to 945GTP PRO/1000 PM motherboards as our stable platform.

The relevant HWID for the 945GTP is:

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PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_108C&SUBSYS_30998086&REV_03\4&6C79FC5&0&00E0: Intel(R) PRO/1000 PM Network Connection

I've not been able to get this RIS booting at all. RIS complains it does not have a driver. I've checked both the e1e5132.inf and e1000325.inf RIS-variant files but do not find a reference to the exact hardware above. There is a catch all in e1e5132.inf (I believe) for:

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PCI\VEN_8086&DEV_108C

but this is obviously not working. I tried adding a line for the specific hardware above, but that made no difference either.

I find it extremely annoying that Intel's SIPP (stable image platform) motherboard will not RIS boot and imagine that someone has found a way around this...

Any ideas anyone?

Cheers,

Andy

RogueSpear

Feb 20 2006, 08:41 AM

Does Intel have a set of drivers specifically for that adapter available for download? If Windows XP detects and installs the NIC with an Intel driver from a CD based install, then that should be an indication that the hwid is contained in the driver.

EDIT: I noticed that the main driver download from Intel that supports what has to be most of their NICs, does not list support for your NIC.

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This download is also valid for the products listed below. Use the links below for additional product downloads:

Intel® 82540EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82540EP Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82541EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82541GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82541PI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82543GC Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82544 Gigabit Ethernet Controllers
Intel® 82544EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82544GC Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82545EM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82545GM Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82546EB Dual Port Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82546GB Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82547EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82547GI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 8254x Ethernet Controllers
Intel® 82550 Fast Ethernet Multifunction Controller
Intel® 82558 32-bit PCI Bus LAN Controller
Intel® 82559 10/100 Mbps Fast Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82562 Fast Ethernet Controllers
Intel® 82562ET Fast Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82562EX Fast Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82562EZ Fast Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82571EB Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82572EI Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82573V Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® PRO/100 M Desktop Adapter
Intel® PRO/100 S Desktop Adapter
Intel® PRO/100 S Dual Port Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/100 S Management Adapter
Intel® PRO/100 S Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/100 VE Desktop Adapter
Intel® PRO/100+ Adapter
Intel® PRO/100+ Management Adapter
Intel® PRO/100+ Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 GT Desktop Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 MF Dual Port Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 MF Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 MF Server Adapter (LX)
Intel® PRO/1000 MT Desktop Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 MT Dual Port Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 MT Quad Port Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 MT Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 PF Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 PT Desktop Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 PT Dual Port Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 PT Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 XF Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 XT Low Profile Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/1000 XT Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/100B Adapter
Intel® PRO/10GbE LR Server Adapter
Intel® PRO/10GbE SR Server Adapter

Fencer128

Feb 20 2006, 08:46 AM

Hi,

The driver download for the 945GTP motherboard just points to the normal 10.2 PROSet drivers. The actual conroller is listed above:

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Intel® 82573E Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller
Intel® 82573V Gigabit Ethernet Controller

In a windows environment the e5132.inf file is fine for doing an install, the device gets recognised correctly. So, we can assume that the generic HWID I posted above is all that is needed.

It still won't boot under RIS though...!

*scratching head*

Cheers,

Andy

PS - Just spotted a RIS problem we're having - probably not related but I'll check first and get back to you!

Fencer128

Feb 20 2006, 09:24 AM

Hi,

Fixed our RIS problem that might have been the cause of this - but RIS still refuses to acknowledge a driver exists for the NIC.

Just noticed that the Intel data sheet for the ethernet controller (82573V) lists a PCIe interface bus. All the on-board NICs we've used before were PCI 32/64. Anyone think that might make a difference?

Cheers,

Andy

RogueSpear

Feb 20 2006, 09:39 AM

I don't know if this NIC is incredibly new or what, but I went through Intel's web site pretty thoroughly and indeed there is NO specific download for the Pro/1000 PM. I highlight PM, because it's just not mentioned anywhere. Perhaps there will be a V10.3 of the drivers out soon? Maybe that will add native support for your NICs.

Fencer128

Feb 20 2006, 09:56 AM

Hi,

The NIC appears in Device Manager as PRO/1000 PM

I have not seen it referenced anywhere else as such. It is an on-board NIC and so Intel usually refer to them by the ethernet controller part. That is, 82573V. If you look that part up you see that it is in the supported list for the PROSet 10.2 drivers (hence I guess why it works under windows).

If you look up 82573V NIC specifically it points to the PROSet drivers for download. They just don't work in RIS.

Cheers,

Andy

RogueSpear

Feb 20 2006, 10:33 AM

If I had such hardware I'd mess with it myself, but you certainly know as much about RIS as I do. Just wondering though, is there some kind of MBA configuration utility? You where you hit a keyboard sequence just after the BIOS. I think it's usually CTRL-SHIFT-B or something like that. On some of my boards I've had to go in there in order to enable PXE, though I've never heard of having to do this with an Intel part.

Fencer128

Feb 20 2006, 10:38 AM

Hi,

PXE is already enabled - I just can't get RIS to admit that it has a suitable text-mode driver.

I suspect that the old workarounds for RIS and Intel parts have either:

i) not been implemented correctly yet for this particular NIC or
ii) don't work when a PCIe bus is used (as opposed to PCI)

I guess we'll have to hold off on the platform and wait for 10.3 drivers, which will *hopefully* fix this.

Cheers

,

Andy

RogueSpear

Feb 20 2006, 10:41 AM

Last idea, and this is a real long shot, but would a RBFG generated floppy work?

Fencer128

Feb 20 2006, 10:49 AM

Hi,

I'll give it a go tomorrow - though as you say, it's a bit of a long shot as the boot floppy generator from 2003 doesn't support any Intel 1000 NICs.

I'll let you know how it goes.

Cheers,

Andy

Fencer128

Feb 23 2006, 10:31 AM

Hi,

I tried using the PXE boot disk - but still no joy. I wasn't particularly hopeful anyhow as the machine PXE boots ok, it's just the start of GUI mode setup that's the problem.

I've contacted our system vendor to get their support, as they should check these things as part of our QA procedure.

From other tests I've carried it out I'm pretty sure the problem is with either e1e5132.inf and/or e1e5132.sys.

The drivers just don't work correctly with this part in RIS.

I'll post any follow ups.

Cheers,

Andy

BSRdr

Feb 28 2006, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (Fencer128 @ Feb 23 2006, 10:31 AM)

You may want to test this on one or two more of your machines, especially if your install is going down just prior to hard drive partitioning. I've seen this commonly on the Intel 945 boards. You can use 10.2 drivers and it should work fine. What I've noted is somewhere between 5-15% of these boards will not RIS boot, I believe it to be a fault with the onboard nic timings, I'm still fleshing it out before forwarding it to my inside rep at Intel.

However I'd guess if you just try a few more of your boards you will find it works fine with 10.2....

RogueSpear

Feb 28 2006, 09:29 PM

@BSRdr, you bring up a good point about trying more than one machine, but recalling that the NICs in question are not PCI, but rather PCIe, I have to wonder if PnP enumeration is performed the same.

Fencer had brought this up earlier and I would tend to agree that something smells fishy with the drivers. Like perhaps they don't have perfect PCIe support built in.

BSRdr

Feb 28 2006, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (RogueSpear @ Feb 28 2006, 09:29 PM)

Sorry I guess I wasn't specific enough, I have done this load sucessfully on this board (BOXD945GTP - all 3 flavors) using 10.2 via RIS preload from a 2003 RIS server. However 5-15% of the boards that are otherwise identically configured WILL NOT load from the server.

However I have a stack of PCIe 1000 PT Nics I can do further testing with tomorrow if you would like...

RogueSpear

Feb 28 2006, 09:40 PM

So I'm curious, would a board that won't properly RIS boot be considered defective enough for an exchange? You mentioned the timings being bad. Technically speaking the NIC works, just not for our purposes of performing a RIS install. Also, would the timings be configurable somehow? Back in the day when the 3Com 3C905 series was the gold standard, on some models you could program some of the options in the ROM to stick.

BSRdr

Feb 28 2006, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (RogueSpear @ Feb 28 2006, 09:40 PM)

I don't need to have a reason to RMA an Intel product, they are very good about that with partners. However this issue seems to only effect RIS preloads; as such machines that fail the RIS load can still be imaged via PE for example.

The timing issue, if indeed that's what it is, is what I am trying to flesh out more before reporting it back to my intel tech sales rep inside. Failing that I can work with quadsupport to flesh it out further, but it takes time, and I am a bit short of that these days.

This isn't dramatically different then say BOXD845GVSRL which had a somewhat similar issue with RIS however in that case just under 5% of the last batch revision would refuse to get DHCP during RIS. Again an issue only during RIS preloads, no where else was it a factor. Very strange none the less....

That is a very good question on editing those timings, I will have to dig into the ROM options to see. However bottom line when identically configured hardware exists, they should behave identically... These do not, hence a design of manufacturing flaw exists in the 945G series.

RogueSpear

Feb 28 2006, 09:56 PM

One of my suppliers accidentally sent me a batch of units with SiS mobos

I decided to give one a shot in the event that it would be satisfactory, figuring it would save me the hassle of returning all of them. Well I couldn't get it to DHCP for RIS at all even though the motherboard box had a flashy thing on it that proclaimed "PXE 2.0 Compliant!" Now it makes me wonder if that was a similar issue. I'll never know since I sent them all back for Intel based systems.

I have to be honest, I never knew these things could be so tempermental.

BSRdr

Feb 28 2006, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (RogueSpear @ Feb 28 2006, 09:56 PM)

One of my suppliers accidentally sent me a batch of units with SiS mobos

I didn't realize it either till I started bumping into it. As a very long time intel partner, I have to say the QA in the last year has gone downhill by 50%. I've actually had to resort to serious browbeating including conference calls with Tech Reps and even the heads of platforms to get them to release a TA on the SR1425 server platform as an example that they had held for months regarding the actual server not booting when a particular group of circumstances take place. They claimed sub 1%, honestly I say it was closer to 10%....

Fencer128

Mar 1 2006, 02:51 AM

Hi Guys,

Thanks for the replies. I'm still talking with our supplier - as they are now able to recreate our problem in their own test facility. I've so far tried 2 boards, both with negative results. I should say that this is not the same issue as mentioned above (I think - could you be more specific?)

I can PXE boot, but just when text-mode setup starts and you get the "Please Wait" - the "Can't find drivers for your NIC" follows shortly afterwards. I don't get to the part where partitioning occurs (yet

)

I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

Andy

BSRdr

Mar 1 2006, 05:20 PM

QUOTE (Fencer128 @ Mar 1 2006, 02:51 AM)

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I'll keep you posted.

Cheers,

Andy

On a side note, got a sucessful RIS preload today on a D975XBX board that uses a Pro 1000 PL chipset. I've got to do some digging and come up with a Pro 1000M batch to check your issues more thoroughly.

Fencer128

Mar 2 2006, 05:54 AM

Hi,

Well - it's now working. The vendor gave us a driver to try - it was the e1e5132.inf and e1e5132.sys from PROSet 10.1.

This worked. I suspected that the 10.2 drivers were at fault but until now have not been able to find an archived copy of PROSet 10.1 to try a downgrade.

One error I made that should be pointed out is that the onboard ethernet controller is in fact a 82753E and not, as I initially thought, a 82753V.

Anyhow - the message is clear, if you use the Intel D945GTP with onboard PRO/1000 PM NIC (82753E ethernet controller) then you must use the drivers from PROSet 10.1 to get it working in RIS with a 2k3 server (other servers untested). Hopefully this will be fixed when v10.3 is released.

Last point is that I *still* have an issue of sorts. The RIS build works fine for all machines except the D945GTP based ones. The D945FTP based PCs only build reliably from certain network points... other network points cause an error where just as text mode setup begins the grey bar and "Please Wait..." do not appear and setup hangs indefinately.

We don't know whether this is a network hardware preference, link negotiation, latency or some other issue. I'll let you know when I've got more answers. Once again, this only affects D945GTP based machines.

Phew!

Cheers,

Andy

RogueSpear

Mar 2 2006, 07:06 AM

It almost sounds driver related as well. Except for the part where you say it works from some places and not others.

I've found that with RealTek NICs, you must use the Microsoft included drivers for older (3 yrs) models. Unfortunately, the HWIDs for the newest integrated NICs are not included in those and you must use the newest driver set. If I use the newest drivers with an old model, I get something very similar to what you described. It just hangs at the text mode portion where it says "Starting Windows XP" indefinately.

This is certainly the kind of thing I've grown to expect out of RealTek, but I'm pretty disappointed to read everything in this thread regarding Intel. First Intel starts to put Yukon Marvel NICs on some of their mobos and now even some of their own NICs don't work properly. Great. I guess there's no longer a sure bet in our world.

Fencer128

Mar 2 2006, 07:19 AM

Hi,

I'm disappointed too - especially since this is their "Stable Platform" and they've had since Novermber to think about a new driver/firmware release.

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I've found that with RealTek NICs, you must use the Microsoft included drivers for older (3 yrs) models. Unfortunately, the HWIDs for the newest integrated NICs are not included in those and you must use the newest driver set. If I use the newest drivers with an old model, I get something very similar to what you described. It just hangs at the text mode portion where it says "Starting Windows XP" indefinately.

I've seen such behaviour before, though the error I'm getting doesn't hang at the "Starting Windows" (which is most often the case). The last time I had similar problems was with Broadcom drivers about a year or so ago. Broadcom are fine now *touch wood*.

Cheers,

Andy

Fencer128

Mar 21 2006, 07:47 AM

Hi,

Turns out that apart from the driver issues with the board, the board also had a hardware issue. The board has been replaced and now happily RIS builds.

However, above advice concerning drivers still applies.

NOTE: Intel have recently released their 10.3 PROSet drivers. They have not yet released the "full pack" that contains the specialised RIS INF files though. As soon as they do I'll test them and let you know whther the driver problems that plagued this board with the 10.2 driver version have been fixed.

Cheers,

Andy

Fencer128

Mar 22 2006, 05:45 AM

Hi,

Out of impatience I've tried RIS with the PROSet 10.3 drivers - as is (i.e. I've not waited for any further release of a RIS specific version).

EDIT: RIS specific drivers have now been released. They have been tested and work fine.

The result is that on any 10/100 or gigabit system I've tried, inc. the D945GTP platform, everything has worked.

I can thoroughly reccommend an upgrade to 10.3 if you are experiencing any issues with Intel NICs and RIS.

Cheers,

Andy

ps - Only big chnage I noticed was to the file set for 10 Gigabit cards. They've changed some names and added another sys file. I don't have the hardware available to test this on at the moment, but if anyone knows anything about whether these latest drivers work with this hardware under RIS I'd be glad to know.

RogueSpear

Mar 22 2006, 07:14 AM

Thanks for hammering this out Fencer. All good information to know. And glad to see everything's working again for you

bluescreens

Mar 28 2006, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (Fencer128 @ Mar 22 2006, 06:45 AM)

Hi,

Out of impatience I've tried RIS with the PROSet 10.3 drivers - as is (i.e. I've not waited for any further relaease of a RIS specific version).

EDIT: RIS specific drivers have now been released. They have been tested and work fine.

The result is that on any 10/100 or gigabit system I've tried, inc. the D945GTP platform, everything has worked.

I can thoroughly reccommend an upgrade to 10.3 if you are experiencing any issues with Intel NICs and RIS.

Cheers,

Andy

ps - Only big chnage I noticed was to the file set for 10 Gigabit cards. They've changed some names and added another sys file. I don't have the hardware available to test this on at the moment, but if anyone knows anything about whether these latest drivers work with this hardware under RIS I'd be glad to know.

Are you guys applying 2003 hotfix KB823658 (or 2003 SP1)? That should allow just about anyone's INFs to work....and is vastly easier than waiting for RIS-specific INFs or <shudder> modifying them. Cost to get it is $0 - just call up MS and tell 'em you want it.

RogueSpear

Mar 28 2006, 04:18 PM

I haven't tried that hotfix as it appears to not apply to Windows 2000 Server RIS servers. I have to say though, once you know what to do with the .inf file, it takes about 20 seconds to do it. And modifying the .inf file has no bearing on the PnP enumeration of the NIC during setup. The drivers for PnP are located elsewhere in the install source.

EDIT: Guess I didn't scroll down far enough. It does seem to apply to 2000 SP4.

Fencer128

Mar 29 2006, 01:32 AM

@bluescreens

Well spotted

It appears to fix the parsing of the [Manufacturer] section of the INF files so that tweaking is no longer required.

However, I'm using SP1, and according to MS (I just rang them), as you suggest, the hotfix is rolled in. It's been a while since I tried non-modified INFs so I may try at some point to see if the issue is resolved.

Thanks again,

Andy

PS - The hotfix wouldn't have fixed the problem with the above network card and the Intel 10.2 drivers - I think it went deeper than the [Manufacturer] section as it was correctly formatted for RIS and we're using SP1.

Anderz

Mar 30 2006, 06:15 AM

FYI: I had the same problem with an Intel PRO/1000 PL LAN Adapter (82573L). Installing the drivers from PROSet v10.3 solved all the issues.

Thanks for the info Fencer128!

jfmartel

Jun 16 2006, 06:45 AM

Hello, I tried several driver yesterday to make it work on a D945 and Intel 1000 /PL. So far, none had worked.

Im trying this on a brand new IBM T60 laptop. Anything on this?

jfmartel

Jun 16 2006, 07:23 AM

If finnaly appears that I finnaly found the working driver for RIS. Labeled 10.4. Found them on the motherboard homepage on Intel website.

There are specific driver for RIS. Just read the "readme.txt" and it should work.

Here is the link: Proset 10.4 for RIS

MRGCAV

Nov 24 2008, 12:25 AM

I have a Intel 945GNT based Server (By DG Systems) I bought used. I have no info on it, except a build sheet. I intend to install Windows Server 2008 on it.
It is setup for a SATA RAID array between two drives. i found some info on the Intel website about /raid setup:
www.intel.com/.../cs-020811.htm#sysreq and
www.intel.com/.../cs-020811.htm#drivers
The BIOS is configured for RAID using the Matrix Storage Manager before I got the unit.
Problem; The SATA raid array and the hard drives are not detected in the BIOS. BIOS States: "NO HARD DISK DRIVE"
So I found this not on the Intel website;
"When RAID is enabled, you cannot check which port a drive is connected to in the BIOS. The BIOS will show the individual SATA ports, but all of them will show "Not Connected" even if there are drives connected. You can only check it from the option ROM, the Intel Matrix Storage Console and the board silkscreen.'

I am not certain what it means... Does "NO HARD DISK DRIVE" equal "Not Connected" ???

What is the procedure to installing the SATA RAID drivers ? Is it the F6 method ?

Also, can anyone supply me with the SATA RAID drivers for Windows 2008 ?

Reply to:
MRGCAV@gmail.com

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