Bearing in mind that I want 98se to continue looking like 98se

If you did a clean install of 98se and you installed the sevice pack 2.1.a, You can go to windows update to get more updates. You should then be good to go.

Thanks I've done that - working well

I was just wondering from reading about the other different packs/fixes
mentioned in the stickies here.

-hmm, well, it's generally agreed, within these forums anyway, that WinUpdate isn't the most -complete- source of updates, especially for win98se, since they've been scaling back support for it...
...
-a great idea would be to try another local thread (Sticky): "New + Updated Windows 98 FE, 98 SE + ME updates, (hot)fixes + patches", created/updated regularly by the worship-worthy MDGx (last updated 5/3/06; he keeps it VERY up to date; the sp2.1a hasn't been updated in almost 6 months!)...
...
-Plus, the recent Maximus-Decim MMDAC update pkg is good to add...
...
-and, if you have access to a WinME setup cd (or its install .cabs, often located on OEM systems at c:\windows\options\cabs), just about the BEST thing you could do for performance/stability/etc is try MDGx's "98se2me" project (and don't worry, it won't change how w98se looks; option #3 of "98se2me" may change a little bit of the looks, but the most important options, #1 or #2, will just replace 700+ w98se system files with newer, less buggy, better versions from winME, w/out any of the infamous winME problems/annoyances). And 98se2me provides for an [optional] backup to be made, before it does the replacing, just in case you don't like it; all very easy to use, and FANTASTIC results... read his note file(s) first, of course...
...
-Plus, MDGx has an absolutely AMAZING web site, with COUNTLESS tips 'n tweaks (including updates)

I install IE6sp1, critical updates for it, Directx9, Windows Mediaplayer 9, and then the service pack. I leave it at that. It seems extremely stable.

MDGx has seperate pages for 98SE fixes and addon's, WMP, Internet Explorer.

I usually follow the order from the former Gape thread with the suggested order of installation. Meaning, I install all the drivers, IE 6 SP1, Dx9c, Microsoft WorksSuite (since it installs Office files), then the Service Pack.

Then I install the few updates post Service Pack that are on MDGx's 98SE fixes page (like the unofficial 891711, KRN386). Then the WMP and DirectX additional stuff from those pages. Then the IE updates newer than IE6 SP1 from his IE page, and the addon's I want from his 98SE addon's page. But before doing the MDAC, MSXML and latest IE Cum patch stuff I install 98SE2ME Option 2. Then the Maximus-Decim MDAC updater and the remaining IE and Addon's from those pages. On this last install I included the new Maximus-Decim Internet Explorer updater. Probably not necessary since it seems I already installed those things from the MDGx pages.

Following this I found I needed to go back and correct the problems caused by the last Microsoft IE cumulative 912812 update. This breaks ActiveX installs.

So, things can get quite complicated especially with Microsoft's latest changes in ActiveX behavior and there being no current way to get the newer URLMON.DLL to work properly on 9x. I think it needs the Internet Explorer popup toolbar from XP to work properly. This isn't available on 9x, so there's no way to give IE permission to pop in the ActiveX message box that will allow the control's to install.

So far it seems the only way to get the latest security updates included in the files of 912812 but also allow ActiveX controls to install is to install the older IE cum update over it and manually extract the file and either form Dos Mode or using System File Checker (what I did), replace the newer URLMON.DLL with the one from the older Cum update.

That leaves the later dll's intact, so you keep the latest security fixes.

It's kind of a mess at the moment. I'm hoping Microsoft releases a newer patch that makes this all easier.

-well, personally, for many many many many many reasons (as discussed, at length, in these & other forums), I emphatically prefer sticking with IE5.5sp2... [and WinMedPlay 7.1, -only for mp3's; I use, and swear by, MediaPlayerClassic [MPC] 6.4.6.7 for almost all vid], incl. all UN-official updates for em, along with good strong security settings/practices...
...
-and, as you're reinstalling, of course you should absolutely avoid AOL 9.0... it hates win98, and contrary to their propaganda, is not very compatible with it... you will (very likely; eventually) have slowdowns, locks, corruption, etc... When I'm absolutely forced into it, I install AOL 8.0 on friends'/family's puters for em... much safer/more reliable, tho still an eeevil thing to do to your w98se OS... Most AOL stuff can (now, especially) be done by just going to their website (even their famed "content", in many cases), and don't get me started on how *lousy* their inclusion of McAfee/AOL antiSpyware is (you're much better off using Avast! AV [which recently won major awards in direct competition with all those "big" boys, and it's FREE!], Spybot, Spywareblaster, Adaware, Firefox [w/AdBlock, FlashBlock], etc... less false positives, more proper catches, less system interference)


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-hey, great post there, Eck...
...
-we need someone to cobble together a complete w98se install package (with most things listed as checkbox options, of course), perhaps just the install scripts, which would access a single folder (already on the user's HD) containing all the individually downloaded packages wanted by each individual user, preventing the need for a single MONSTER download package... (and that also would make updating the Monster Installer easier; user just dl's and replaces whichever individual pkg was updated)

MPC has been updated to ver 6.4.9.0:
http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#MED
to incorporate latest WMP + DX functions.

HTH

-hmm, any chance (in hell lol) that it finally includes the fixes necessary to use it over the good ol' 6467-ish (safer, nicer, in some ways) version?
(I [reluctantly] keep a recent ver. copy around, for those [very] rare occasions that 6467 isn't 100%)
?

Where does MPC 6.4.9.0 stand with regard to the mega-codec pack? [And 98se in particular?]

cjl

MPC is just a player, you need 3rd party codecs to use different media formats: MOV, MP4, OGG, DVD [VOB, DAT] etc.
MPC picks up any codecs you may have installed, but you have to install some codecs for certain formats to work.
Codecs list:
http://www.mdgx.com/drv.htm#DRV

HTH

MPC has got several built-in splitters and decoders, notably for DVD. Otherwise it will be using DirectShow for playing anything else.

Ace MegaCodec pack, albeit excellent (but to use with caution), is a bit outdated today as it does not include the latest splitters and decoders such as the FLV (Flash Video) splitter for example.

May I recommend a very good and stylish player I came across recently : http://gom.ipop.co.kr/

PsychoUnc,

Sure would be nice for ease of use to have one of those "check what you want" things.

There is an old update program that included versions of 98SE2ME, etc, but things like that get out of date pretty quickly. Worked great for a couple of weeks though!

I think there will only be a small community of folks running 9x pretty soon. So perhaps a bunch of seperate packs and some individual manually installed updates is probably all we're going to be able to manage. After all, it seems that we all will never come to common agreement on which versions of things we all want to use, etc.

Gape's pack is still darned good at installing the bulk of the needed updates and includes check boxes for some nice additions. I'm looking forward to his eventual update to it.

1=wucsp
2=236926USA8
3=243199us8
4=qfechkup
5=dxtxtra
6=FlashPlayer8
7=instmsia
8=wm9codecs
9=KB911565
10=q282949
11=Sct10en
12=Q285895
13=Q323708
14=Q260710
15=Q301540
16=dsclient
17=MSRDPCLI
18=Q258765
19=Q250876
20=Oe911567
21=Mp912452
22=msjavwu
23=NM30.exe
24=Mp911565
25=KB89221
26=KB891122
27=Ie905495
28=Graphics
29=Mp911564
30=Mp832353
31=98tshoot
32=KB908519
33=908519fx
34=905915
35=KB905915
36=Ie893371
37=Ie883586
38=msvbvm50
39=vbrun60sp6
40=vcredist
41=VCREDI~1
42=VisualBasic6-KB896559
43=VS6SP6U
44=Setup
45=KB896727
46=KB891781
47=KB887797
48=KB885492
49=KB837009
50=KB833989
51=IEAudioUpdate
52=873374
53=Cnfupd
54=msagent
55=263044usa8
56=273017USA8
57=273727USA8
58=311561usa8
59=811630USA8
60=823559USA8
61=unicows
62=js56men
63=243450USA8
64=4756US8
65=TelnetUp
66=KB904706
67=Q249824
68=323255
69=323172
70=314147
71=274548
72=273991
73=259728
74=256015
75=249973
76=245729
77=242975
78=238453
79=252694
80=840315
81=q313829
82=KB891711
83=scr56en
84=KB870669
85=usbmte
86=260067
87=240075
88=crlupd
89=329115
90=245682
91=888113
92=249635
93=274370
94=290831
95=242937
96=rootsupd
97=249146
98=306453
99=241084up
100=253697
101=272137
102=Kb896358
103=IE329919
104=IE813451
105=Q816362
106=Q893627
107=Q909363
108=Q896156
109=98SEMP10
110=269874usa8
111=309073USA8
112=314941USA8
114=315575USA8
115=CRYPT9X
116=DCOM98UP
117=DOTNETFX with SP1
118=DOTNETFX 2.0
119=MS DUN 1.4 Upgrade
120=DirectX9c
121=DXM9X
122=HHUPD
123=IMMC
124=netsetup from WinXP
125=NUSB22E
126=OLEUP
127=Q222930
129=Q240664
130=Q909363
131=Q912919
132=RICHED9X
133=TTFPAK
134=U891711
135=URLMONFX
136=wmi9x
137=L2TP/IPSec VPN Client v1.0 32-bit
138=Maximus Decim InternetExplorer 6.0sp1 Component Update 1.0
139=Maximus Decim Data Access Component Update, New! MDDACU 1.1
140=WMP9
141=98SE2ME
142=KERNEL UPDATE PROJECT

I have to say with all these updates my system is under a giga bite of space with other apps installed
and since a clean install with all the above applied I haven't witness a system lock up nor and IE crash.
Its been going strong for 2 weeks now

THANKS 2 ALL YOU CONTRIBUTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-Eck: you're probably right, especially after the July-cutoff; not enough People (instead of MS-sheep! lol) interested in win98se, for a "Linked" multi-installer like that... well, gotta dream, especially in this world...

[...as I mentioned in other posts, I -may- have some "down" time soon, and this idea (plus a mod to 98se2me) might be interesting for me to pursue... -plus, it doesn't sound like a big deal to program, really, mostly just a list of pkg's + update filenames, provided in a simple guide-like way to the user with checkboxes, and then "called" from the group directory after the user goes out and grabs whichever ones he wants from links to each available pkg & update (+ likely "google" search terms to find em, if the links go bad; and most links could reference MDGx's site-links, since he's got EVERYTHING linked up in there, and it'll probably be there til the end of time)... I most definitely would NOT do what Gape did with sp2: disecting each update and re-doing it myself; I always thought that was a mistake (potential for error, plus a "hack" stigma that many potential users might shy away from, not to mention a huge amount of time/effort for little gain, in the most part, instead of just "firing-up" each update consecutively, like I'd do... with the very minor exception of a few "problematic" updates which might require special attention ]

-btw, there's already a similar installer/update package for winME, and how many people could possibly be interested in ME?! {-lol, no offense of course to all those (3 lol) people in that thread/project... }

>;]

--UPDATE: -funny timing, after posting that last one, I noticed Petr's new(ish) thread with a nearly identical subject: "Future development of 98/SE/Me service packs"...
-he goes on, in great detail, about the same kind of idea, but implemented a bit differently... see my (even longer, lol) post in that thread for more info...
...
-MDGx: you might be interested in checking out that post, as well; any input from you is of course of Gospel-quality...
>;]

Hey thanks for the terrific replies whilst I've been away.

I'll sift through and implement what i like or am able to.

Just a few points about Windows Update:

Yes, Windows Update is scaling back. What that actually means is:

1) They have very few updates now.

2) They used to have more.

3) They never had a significant amount of the ones actually in existence.

4) Most of what is in the SP 2.1a NEVER was in Windows Update.

4a) But it should have been!

cjl

Despite your kind help
I'm lost already
I find the mdgx thread and home page baffling
Haven't a clue what to download,
Plus some links take me to microsoft I don't get it ?

I remember now that is originally why I posted this thread

I think a lot of you guys think this forum is user friendly
but i can assure you much of it isn't to the uninitiated.

Arrow,

I assume (thought it's wild assumtion since nobody wrote it word by word), that the updates still not included in uSP2.1a are those listed in the first page of

98 FE + 98 SE + ME updates + patches + (hot)fixes

here on this forum.

Dowload the patches with "direct download" when provided by MDGx (thanks to him for his bandwith), to avoid the M$ webloat pages, that are often too cryptic, uselessly complicated and sometimes don't work.

As a M$ customer you are supposed to use the embedded windows update wizard and ask no question. The M$ webiste is for developers, you know.

I recommend the K-Lite Mega Codec Pack...
http://www.codecguide.com/

It's frequently updated and I've never had any problems with it.

> well, personally, for many many many many many reasons (as discussed, at length, in these & other forums), I emphatically prefer sticking with IE5.5sp2

I use IE6SP1 with BROWSEUI.DLL and BROWSELC.DLL from 5.5 with ME updates to avoid the bug with super slow file deletion in Windows Explorer. I don't know why some people think IE5.5 is better; you should decide for yourself which to install.

i find MDGx site a little confusion but it is better than ms updates he got everything and fries with that 2 boot.lol. i believe theres a thread on what updates what order 2 follow in here perhap someone could do one at least listed the main ones ie6sp1 dx9 etc etc.