its time crack this nut open!

HD-DVD simply because it's cheaper and non-sony.

Blueray for sure, Far higher storage capacity and not supported by Micro$haft

How about both?

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/07/09/1530230

what about none, at least until the war ends.

I second that...

Who cares?

well i dont really care much for either myself. the new drm and hdcp is a major turnoff.

btw dont forget about the HVD and Paper Disc!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_Versatile_Disc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_disc

HVD, thats just insane.

well i voted for HD DVD.

Blueray is just completely over kill; HD DVD is already sufficient for HDTV.

HD DVD will be considerably cheaper too. I think the primary advantage the HD DVD has it its discs can be played back in all the DVD players people already own, albeit at only DVD resolution. So all the current DVD being sold could be replaced by HD DVD's and its a win/win unless it significantly affected the price. So I want to know when we can get HD DVD readers for our computers?

My main concerns about the HDCP/DRM is the inability to make backups - unless the discs are 99% scratch proof, and the revocation lists. However I've researched this a bit and it sounds like people already have broken HDCP or are prepared too.

btw check out this page, has mouseover DVD and HDTV stills from LOTR.
http://www.cornbread.org/FOTRCompare/

I agree.

Dual format but if I have to choose one, then blue-ray because my favourite film is out on BR DVD already

when will the war end!

Where's the option for "Upscaling Standard DVD Player"? I dunno about you guys, but screw Bluray and HD-DVD until one or the other dies.

Better yet, let BOTH of them die and let's have a REAL format upgrade instead of these half-assed DRM nightmwares.

Jason

It's not going to make much difference. As noted, they both work for movies, but neither is sufficient for a proper backup.

Let's just hope they both get superceded in a big way and the whole thing dies. They both deserve to considering what they want to charge for both the drives and the media. Blu-Ray was out and available some two years ago...at least in Japan, and they waited and waited to release it in the US and Europe and never agreed on a common standard. What a bunch of turds they are.

Let's hope they lose their investment to a fast solid state random access 150+GB medium.

probably blue ray would be the best for me because its the bigger but to admit i dont need it

I don't really care (whichever one wins is what I'll use), but if I had to take sides, I'd choose Bluray.

I don't want to support either because of the ridiculous amount of DRM in both formats. If I did have to pick, I'd pick HD-DVD simply because Sony always wants to go it's own way and refuses to work with companies to establish standards (remember betamax?).

This article also brings up some good points about it.

You should have waiting until both these formats were available more widely.

No vote, yet. LOL

Blueray or HDDVD, Dont matter to me, as long as i can watch my movies in High Dif

blue ray disk 100% of the way..from the capacity to already having HD support already. also, although its made by sony [i see that some people have something against sony here] its going to be a much better altoghter...despite the fact that it wont be public for at least another few months, if i asked a person who works at my school to make a post for it, he'd just go on and on about the advatages...why go fo HD only, when you could get bluray, which is also HD...not to mention the PS3 is bluray...i doubt you'll see a game system that uses HD...

HD-DVD because they will have porn!

Just kidding (kinda). i actually won't be getting either until i upgrade my tv and sound system, because if not, high def content isn't worth it. I'll wait till the war ends, I'm not picking a side.

HD DVD!

-It's not from the nice folks who brought us rootkits on audio CDs, millions of exploding batteries and overpriced consoles (vote with your wallet!)
-It's not yet another Sony-proprietary format that's bound to die (like BetaMax, MiniDisc, UMD, Memory Stick, ATRAC, PDD, etc)
-Blu-Ray has more evil DRM: BD+ (which isn't broken yet)
-There are FAR more set top HD DVD players than Blu-Ray ones (120000 vs 25000 last I've heard, about 5:1!)
-Blu-Ray uses Java for menus (programs!) vs iHD (simple markup, much like HTML) for HD DVD (alright, call it HDi or Advanced Navigation if you want), which is far simpler (you could make menus using notepad - if you can make web pages you can use this too), is fully documented (even stuff on MSDN) along with simulation tools and all. iHD is also cheaper. Java would require you to learn programming first (and movie studios to hire programmers), or to write some parser/interpreter in Java for some other format (slow) and such. *WAY* more complicated. Bad idea overall. And let's hope things aren't like for cell phones, where every J2ME JVM seems to have differences that makes stuff not work on 2 models, forcing them to release different versions of the same movie for different players (or spending lots of time getting your menus to work on every player). It's a VeryBadIdea™. Oh, wait, there's already problems with BDJ? Colour me surprised
-Authoring tools for Blu-Ray were quite late (requiring drastic changes).
-HD DVD is WAY cheaper. Set top players are cheaper. In both cases, you can settle for a gaming console (if you want to be stuck with one of those) which still costs more than a set top HD DVD player. That's assuming you already have a nice and expensive HDTV. But what if you'd like to enjoy the HD goodness on your modern PC which already has a nice monitor and great sound? Just buy a drive! A Blu-Ray drive will set you back like 700$ or so, whereas you could have bought the XBOX 360 external drive for like 150$ over the holidays, and plug it using USB to your PC, and you'd already be watching HD DVDs. You're not going to find anything cheaper than that (very little investment to get HDTV goodness). Blu-Ray media is also more expensive.
-Early Blu-Ray players had image/quality problems and had pretty bad reviews (not sure they're much better now either)
-Not only Blu-Ray had bad player reviews/problems at first, and now BDJ problems, but their initial titles weren't using VC1 or H.264, and the image quality was worse than HD DVD titles released at the same time.
-HD DVD already has more than enough space as it is. In H.264 you can already comfortably fit a movie in 720p on a regular DVD (even on the single layer ones). Even in 1080p (still using VC1 or H.264) you still have way more space than one needs on HD DVD. It's already borderline overkill. More than that is just a waste (as far as movies are concerned)
-no pr0n on Blu-Ray

Why would anyone want to support a very expensive, problematic, overly complicated format that has more DRM - coming from Sony nonetheless (hence will likely be dead a a couple years anyways)? I don't know!

Blu-Ray is already dead

IMO, HDDVD, as nothing from Sony ever lasts

None of them. It is yet to be seen if any of these two recordable medias will become affordable (and reliable). Right now my choice is Verbatim DVD+R.

(Movies? What movies?)

haha, u gotta love those 100 packs from newegg. best media out there!

Not making that leap untill they adopt wich tech to go with. If you go out and buy blu-ray it might not be here in two years and vice versa.

none for me as well.
even when the war ends I'll be slow in changing.

I haven't seen either in action, but I pick Bluray because I used to work for Sony.

$100 hddvd players at walmart starting Friday. I hope this buries bluray.

http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/01/toshiba...riday-wal-mart/

I dont care. I wont be buying either.

But Ill vote HD-DVD

HD-DVD took a serious blow with the release of the Transformers movie when it was revealed that they did not have enough space on the disc to put in HD audio, so it only has 5.1 audio instead of 7.1.

Same here :S Sometimes I'd go by what CNET says. Tnx for the link gamehead200..

Holy cow what an old topic :F

I prefer BluRay because it has higher capacity than HD-DVD, but the only flaw about BluRay is the regional incompatibility crap.

If I am not mistaken, Blu-Ray is winning this war?

I heard that there is only a few company left in the HD-DVD boat so it is only a matter of time before thoses exclusive titles are available to Blu-Ray.

Also, there are report in the states that there is 2 Blu-Ray player for 1 HD-Dvd sold to consumers (the PS3 is helping out).

Last thing to know, Blu-Ray burner are available for PC since 1 year now. HD-Dvd burner? Yet to be seen...

The war is not over yet.

Toshiba is cutting prices on HD DVD again. This is either a huge liquidation sale, or they're sending another wave of price cuts to compete.
Its best to wait and see what's up before making a decision. Unless you have money to burn. In which case go for it. HD-DVD and BluRay.

HD DVD died the minute that Warner Brothers (the only dual format supporter) decided to drop support for HD DVD. With only 2 out of the big 6 studios left with HD DVD, it's only a matter of time before BluRay becomes the dominant format. It would be interesting to reset the poll in this thread and see what opinions are like now.

I'll wait until the war is over before deciding. not getting stuck with the other one when one dies like betamax did.

You never know. I'm waiting until HD DVD or BluRay is completely dead.

Neither will ever completely die because it existed, simply. There are still beta tape products available, same with laserdiscs and anything else that's ever been orphaned. Just because it lived, it will always live. Nonetheless, even if HD DVD doesn't completely die off, I believe it will be viable to invest in BluRay and not worry about making a mistake. More and more companies are releasing BluRay players. Sharp just launched their own BluRay player. I can't say that there's many companies trying to release HD DVD players other then Toshiba (who developed it).

Just because they existed doesn't mean they won't die.... ya right!, when was the last time you went looking to buy a song for your real to real audio player, 8track player, betamax cassette or "Laser Disk" movie? I knew people with all these formats and there players are about as useful as an ice maker at the north pole!

I do have one question though, why is it that everyone is making such a fuss about Warner Brothers? Universal who is 3 times the size switched from Blue Ray to only HDDVD, but it seems everyone forgot about them.

I think one of the keys is why Universal switched... FYI: Universal switched because of difficulty producing... tolerances being to strict... and generally higher cost of manufacturing Blue Ray. Other studios may get fed-up and switch back to HDDVD as well.

Then there is Disney, they have a big influence on those of us with kids.

There have been battles won in both camps, but the war seems to still be raging!

Perhaps, but Universal accounts for less then 25% of the market share. You want a good idea how bad HD DVD is falling behind, take a look at the current Sales Data : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of...mats#Sales_data

Well that may be, but its still kicking.

I'm switching when one format dominates completely. I'm sticking to DVD until then.

Bluray is now more supported because warner bros also now use bluray instead of hddvd