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technoid
So, being very eager and excited about Auto-patcher, I decided to let it auto-patch EVERYTHING it could find. It ended up updating 129 things. Well, BAD IDEA. Now when I boot and login to my 98SE, the Start bar and the desktop (icons) don't load up and it's stuck there. The only thing I can see is the desktop background image and the mouse arrow (I can move the arrow). When I check Task Manager, nothing is there. So, anyone have ideas? Can I unpatch stuff in Safe Mode? This OS installation isn't all that important, so I can always reformat and reinstall 98SE.

Also, if I do decide to use Auto-patcher again, which patches are the safest to install? Critical Updates only perhaps?
soporific
QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 1 2008, 01:02 PM) *
So, being very eager and excited about Auto-patcher, I decided to let it auto-patch EVERYTHING it could find. It ended up updating 129 things. Well, BAD IDEA. Now when I boot and login to my 98SE, the Start bar and the desktop (icons) don't load up and it's stuck there. The only thing I can see is the desktop background image and the mouse arrow (I can move the arrow). When I check Task Manager, nothing is there. So, anyone have ideas? Can I unpatch stuff in Safe Mode? This OS installation isn't all that important, so I can always reformat and reinstall 98SE.

Also, if I do decide to use Auto-patcher again, which patches are the safest to install? Critical Updates only perhaps?

Please note: Auto-Patcher is an automatic hotfix and update installer, it doesn't install anything on its own, it only installs other people's hotfixes. One of the updates you installed has screwed your PC, sorry to report. This can easily happen on very old OS installations (ie the OS was installed years ago).

If you re-install your OS, you will find that you can use Auto-Patcher perfectly well. You will be able to install every single update and have a kick-arse OS in the end. The problems you are experiencing are probably due to you existing OS config but it also could be hardware issues.
thydreamwalker
whistling.gif Click on finish after download of Auto-patcher to start program ,then Type in "M"and follow next prompts to load individual area's of the update modules as your system needs. You can load more later on also if necessary......*You'll catch on as it starts thumbup.gif or you'll end up with a lotta stuff you cannot use!You can set your RAM too as this helps speed of your MoBo....***First Know which programs you have installed as this is most useful!Use the MSFN P.M. Messenger :(as Summer keeps peole Busier these days)for help if needed! welcome.gif Instuctions should be in the help files inside A.P. smile.gif"Really though!"Auto-Patcher for 98SE is more reliable than others as i've tried them all even in other Windows Systems and Windows Versions as the others miss a lot or take longer to update!!!***CLEAN INSTALL is always BEST for system and MoBo... thumbup.gif
thydreamwalker
blushing.gif We should try to put a list of the order of important updaters for occasional visitors so they are easily confused?Such as: WipeHardDrive(if user wishes or after heavy usage of Hdd);then install Win98SE/CDROM-WUPG98-SESP1.5a-SESP2.1a-SESP3.0b2(latest version)-Set up Automatic(TweakUI-control panel) logon before install of AutoPatcher/sept'07,oct'07,dec final'07..........then finish with any personal "tweaks" or programs to use!!! thumbup.gif Every little bit helps...sometimes smile.gif
technoid
QUOTE (soporific)
Please note: Auto-Patcher is an automatic hotfix and update installer, it doesn't install anything on its own, it only installs other people's hotfixes. One of the updates you installed has screwed your PC, sorry to report. This can easily happen on very old OS installations (ie the OS was installed years ago).

If you re-install your OS, you will find that you can use Auto-Patcher perfectly well. You will be able to install every single update and have a kick-arse OS in the end. The problems you are experiencing are probably due to you existing OS config but it also could be hardware issues.

Ok thanks. I guess I'll have to reinstall OS. It was actually a fresh install, but there were maybe ~5 other programs added, if I recall (TweakUI being one of them). But basically, I installed all the Windows Updates for 98SE that the Microsoft website was able to sense and then Internet Explorer 6.0 and its updates and then DirectX 9c. That's as much native M$ I can remember that I added. The motherboard is a QDI Explorer I (ca 1996), with 128MB (72p Simms) maximum and an AMD K6-III/400.

QUOTE (thydreamwalker)
blushing.gif We should try to put a list of the order of important updaters for occasional visitors so they are easily confused?Such as: WipeHardDrive(if user wishes or after heavy usage of Hdd);then install Win98SE/CDROM-WUPG98-SESP1.5a-SESP2.1a-SESP3.0b2(latest version)-Set up Automatic(TweakUI-control panel) logon before install of AutoPatcher/sept'07,oct'07,dec final'07..........then finish with any personal "tweaks" or programs to use!!! thumbup.gif Every little bit helps...sometimes smile.gif

What is WUPG98 and SESP? Now you've got me more intrigued and bewildered. And why do you say to install 'AutoPatcher/sept'07,oct'07,dec final'07'?? I thought all you need was the latest patch and any upgrades thereafter?

soporific
welcome.gif thydreamwalker, please don't confuse the issue smile.gif

Techoidy, you only need the latest full version, you don't need preceding versions.

If re-installing the OS is an option, definitely take it. Do NOT install any updates until you have used Auto-Patcher, but by then you shouldn't need to. Auto-Patcher does what it was intended to do, provide an easy way to get your WIn98 OS updated without you having to do them all yourself.

The new version is coming very soon, the upgrade pack is about 25 megs (will upgrade your AP from dec 07 to june 08). here's the change log so far:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
June 2008
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
update: "Twain Compatible Scanner Core Files Update" is now "Unofficial Windows Image Acquisition v1.1"
update: Sun Java 2 Runtime Environment 6 update 6
update: Unofficial DirectX Media Update for IE 6 sp1 (Apr '08)
update: kb947864 - Unofficial Cumulative Update for Internet Explorer 6 sp1
update: Unofficial Microsoft Scripting Engines v5.7 (JSCRIPT.DLL 5.7.0.20550) (removed v5.6)
update: RootsUpd - Root Certificate Update (Dec '07)
update: kb942763 - Unofficial Daylight Saving Time Zone Updates (Mar '08)

technoid
QUOTE (soporific @ Jul 1 2008, 03:43 AM) *

welcome.gif thydreamwalker, please don't confuse the issue smile.gif

Techoidy, you only need the latest full version, you don't need preceding versions.

If re-installing the OS is an option, definitely take it. Do NOT install any updates until you have used Auto-Patcher, but by then you shouldn't need to. Auto-Patcher does what it was intended to do, provide an easy way to get your WIn98 OS updated without you having to do them all yourself.

The new version is coming very soon, the upgrade pack is about 25 megs (will upgrade your AP from dec 07 to june 08). here's the change log so far:

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
June 2008
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
update: "Twain Compatible Scanner Core Files Update" is now "Unofficial Windows Image Acquisition v1.1"
update: Sun Java 2 Runtime Environment 6 update 6
update: Unofficial DirectX Media Update for IE 6 sp1 (Apr '08)
update: kb947864 - Unofficial Cumulative Update for Internet Explorer 6 sp1
update: Unofficial Microsoft Scripting Engines v5.7 (JSCRIPT.DLL 5.7.0.20550) (removed v5.6)
update: RootsUpd - Root Certificate Update (Dec '07)
update: kb942763 - Unofficial Daylight Saving Time Zone Updates (Mar '08)

Now that I recall, I think I used your Autopatcher incorrectly. I installed "December 2007 Final (FULL)" first and then installed "December 2007 RC1 to December 2007 Final (UPGRADE)" over it, thinking it was an upgrade to Dec 2007 Final Full, but now I see it is an upgrade path from Dec 2007 RC1. Am I correct? I don't know if that was partly to blame for my PC getting corrupt. I will await the June2008Upgrade. How is "very soon"? So when I reinstall my OS, I run Dec2007FinalFull first and then June2008Upgrade, yes?

Also, what do you mean by "Do NOT install any updates until you have used Auto-Patcher"? Are you talking about the 98SE Windows Update at the Microsoft site? So then what is the best order of installation should I use then? Does it look something like this? >>

0. 98SE CD install
1. Hardware drivers
2. Autopatch
3. Windows Update
4. DirectX 9C
5. IE 6 and SP's (or is this all on the AP?)
6. TweakUI for 98SE (v1.33 I think)
7. MS Office (I will use MSO 2k)
8. Any other software

In a prior thread, someone also told me about Service Pack 3.2 beta by Gape. Do I really need this too?

Finally, is there any other beta patches I should install after Autopatcher? There are so many projects, I don't know what else I'd want/need to use. This includes any unofficial service packs for 98SE, if there's any you recommend. I also intend on reading this entire thread. Thanks for the help thus far.



thydreamwalker
whistling.gif Just stating Auto-patcher works better when use older Sept2007 Application First ...then apply newer ones...At least this is how it works on 4 different computers i use with 98SE on a weekly rotation......All have Full 98SE updares and applications from MSFN sources=90% with microsoft=10% orless installs if really necessary!*Just not being confusing just trying to help order of events which installs can be installed in proper order *if we wish to do this on our own?This could and should be listed in a MSFN Topic "Possibly???"Just for everyone's interest at least?oh,well blink.gif
RetroOS
QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 2 2008, 11:20 AM) *
...
So when I reinstall my OS, I run Dec2007FinalFull first and then June2008Upgrade, yes?
...

Correct.

QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 2 2008, 11:20 AM) *
...
Also, what do you mean by "Do NOT install any updates until you have used Auto-Patcher"? Are you talking about the 98SE Windows Update at the Microsoft site?...

Here is what I wrote some posts back to answer your question:
QUOTE (RetroOS @ May 21 2008, 02:03 PM) *
...
Auto-Patcher 98 has everything on Windows Update and more including many newer updates.
Even though Windows Update for 9x is no longer updated, Microsoft are still updating components like IE6 SP1 and WMP 9.
...

QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 2 2008, 11:20 AM) *
...
So then what is the best order of installation should I use then? Does it look something like this? >>...

Here is your list amended:

0. 98SE CD install
1. Hardware drivers
2. Autopatch
3. Windows Update - as explained above
4. DirectX 9C - in Auto-Patcher
5. IE 6 and SP's (or is this all on the AP?) - in Auto-Patcher, and SPs are not really needed with AP
6. TweakUI for 98SE (v1.33 I think) - an optional install in AP, from memory
7. MS Office (I will use MSO 2k) - update Office at http://office.microsoft.com/en-au/downloads/maincatalog.aspx
8. Any other software

QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 2 2008, 11:20 AM) *
...
In a prior thread, someone also told me about Service Pack 3.2 beta by Gape. Do I really need this too?...

As above, no not really since Auto-Patcher will install all the individual updates anyway.

QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 2 2008, 11:20 AM) *
...
Finally, is there any other beta patches I should install after Autopatcher?...

You can look at MDGx's updates topic (just been updated):
http://www.msfn.org/board/98-FE-98-SE-ME-u...hes-t46581.html
soporific
QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 2 2008, 09:20 AM) *
Now that I recall, I think I used your Autopatcher incorrectly. I installed "December 2007 Final (FULL)" first and then installed "December 2007 RC1 to December 2007 Final (UPGRADE)" over it, thinking it was an upgrade to Dec 2007 Final Full, but now I see it is an upgrade path from Dec 2007 RC1. Am I correct? I don't know if that was partly to blame for my PC getting corrupt. I will await the June2008Upgrade. How is "very soon"? So when I reinstall my OS, I run Dec2007FinalFull first and then June2008Upgrade, yes?

Also, what do you mean by "Do NOT install any updates until you have used Auto-Patcher"? Are you talking about the 98SE Windows Update at the Microsoft site? So then what is the best order of installation should I use then? Does it look something like this? >>

0. 98SE CD install
1. Hardware drivers
2. Autopatch
3. Windows Update
4. DirectX 9C
5. IE 6 and SP's (or is this all on the AP?)
6. TweakUI for 98SE (v1.33 I think)
7. MS Office (I will use MSO 2k)
8. Any other software

In a prior thread, someone also told me about Service Pack 3.2 beta by Gape. Do I really need this too?

Finally, is there any other beta patches I should install after Autopatcher? There are so many projects, I don't know what else I'd want/need to use. This includes any unofficial service packs for 98SE, if there's any you recommend. I also intend on reading this entire thread. Thanks for the help thus far.

First, installing RC1 over the final December 2007 version is not the end of the world as long as you then installed the upgrade to Dec Final over the top. The only thing wrong with this is that there will be extra obsolete files in the AP program directory that you don't need that takes up space. The patching process should be exactly the same.

Second, auto-patcher contains: DirectX 9C, IE6 and service packs, and TweakUI for 98SE, so you can remove these from your list. Also, simply FORGET about using Windows Update -- not only has Microsoft stopped updating WU, it will report that you are missing some updates when in fact you already have them installed. This happens due to the unofficial updates overwriting files that WU expects to find. There is no harm visiting WU, just treat their results with a grain of salt.

You don't need Gape's Service Pack 3.2 beta, but it does install a few extra goodies that AP doesn't. I'm sorry, i can't provide a list of what is different, but you can compare the two contents lists and see for yourself. I recommend installing gape's SP after you have finished using AP.

With regard to other packs, if they contained anything crucial, i would have already included them in AP. That's not to say there is no point installing them, just that its certainly not necessary. AP is designed to make your PC fully up-to-date, so to be on the safe side, its NOT a good idea to install ALL the update packs -- pick your preferred update pack and stick with it.

Hope this helps.
Dave-H
Soporific, does AP June 2008 contain the June 2008 Update to DirectX 9.0c Runtime?
The reason I ask is because I've been having trouble installing it (see here)
This hasn't been resolved as yet, and I was hoping that AP might succeed where the normal install routine is failing!
Thanks, Dave.
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barbarien
IE Cumulative Update 947864 is old , newer is 950759 see MDIECU22
thydreamwalker
welcome.gif Thanks for IE CU info as my system went "Really" crazy after MDIECU 2.2 and it was normal after Complete Re-install without 2.2 and stuck to older MDIECU2.1a......COOL! thumbup.gif So we should re-add 950759 ,after using mdiecu2.2...then it would re-update backdated files...Correct??? wacko.gif thanks
technoid
Hi again. Just to update, I went ahead and reformatted and reinstalled 98SE and then tried Autopatcher again (latest version, Dec2007Full). I patched everything except that Jet database thingy (about 149 things I think) and stuff seem to be working successfully and stable now (no blank desktop this time). However, during the patching, DirectX 9.0C installation just kinda stalled/froze. I rebooted and then did a forced install, but that didn't work either. When I go into dxdiag, it shows DX at version 6. I have read Dave-H's thread. Is that the same problem? Or should I just go ahead and install DX9.0C using Microsoft's redistributable package? I shall await a reply(s), thanks.

Btw, what exactly is that Jet database stuff? I might useful for me, who knows. I'm guessing it has something to do with databases, but I could be wrong. newwink.gif
RetroOS
QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 9 2008, 04:54 PM) *
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Btw, what exactly is that Jet database stuff? I might useful for me, who knows. I'm guessing it has something to do with databases, but I could be wrong. newwink.gif

The Jet Database Engine is used by Windows and many applications to store and access data.
Because of this, it is a targeted part of Windows by malicious software.
Therefore, I would recommend that you install the Jet Database updates just for security reasons alone.
technoid
QUOTE (RetroOS @ Jul 8 2008, 10:43 PM) *
The Jet Database Engine is used by Windows and many applications to store and access data.
Because of this, it is a targeted part of Windows by malicious software.
Therefore, I would recommend that you install the Jet Database updates just for security reasons alone.
Are you saying that stock 98SE (fresh CD install) already has Jet as part of the stock OS? If not, I know I don't have Jet installed at all, not even from AP, let alone any Jet updates.
RetroOS
QUOTE (technoid @ Jul 9 2008, 07:05 PM) *
...
Are you saying that stock 98SE (fresh CD install) already has Jet as part of the stock OS?...

Yep.
The Windows 98SE CD CABs contain MS Jet 3.5 and MS Jet 4.0 files.
submix8c
Just checking in to say welcome.gif so ya know I ain't MIA. Been busy building a few old 'puters and learning newer-type stuff (XP, Server, Networks, Firewalls, etc). wacko.gif
nicke85
Can we get some link to download your full pack with all upgrades?
barbarien
welcome.gif I tested the Version of jscript.dll

-- 5.6.0.8831 / 5.6.0.8835 (SCR569x)944338 thumbdown.gif

also in mdi6cu22e (be aware of that)i do not recommend this update because of the 944338

-- 5.7.0.16535--5.7.0.20550 (SCR579x) thumbdown.gif

and i found that all newer Versions from 5.6.0.8831 up are buggy

5.6.0.8835 see older posts is totaly buggy

5.7.0.16535 /5.7.0.20550 i found these Bugs --

go to this Site
http://tel.search.ch/ type a name / search / hit the underlined name / hit maps / and i see no map !?????!
only with 5.6.0.8831 it works fine ?????
in Firefox 2.0.0.16 it works fine

and the best is
when i login to my sunrise mail account , i dont see my messages,Site loads not all, must go to Firefox to work properly !!!!!!!?????
no problem with older Version

when i go to yahoo.de games applets wont load !!!??!??

and with newer jscript.dlls i have sometimes no historymenu anymore ??????

uuuuuuuaaahhhhhahhaaaaa realmad.gif

I installed new AP DEZ Full (IE 6 Sp1 and 950759)
Flash 9.0.124 shockwave 10.2.0.23 (nothing newer will wait for final releases ) to test

i will use only 5.6.0.8831 thumbup.gif
this will calm my nervs thumbup.gif
,the rest of that crap Updates are realy s***y rolleyes.gif
barbarien
Recommondation for new AP Version:

Java 6 Upd.7 , IE 950759 Cum. Upd. ,OE 941202 , DST Upd 951072

replace msimg32.dll (98) with Win ME msimg32.dll (so runs Opera 9.51 ) see MDDCU300E ,Big Open Box Upd , MDCUPL ,New Oleupd from MDGX ,New KernelEX 0.3.5 ,BigHDD 3.0 and i found this updates 274548 ,wdmmdm.exe are not in AP

PCHIO98 , Q313829fix -- MDCU300

Replace Files with newer regsvr32.exe / extrac32.exe / extract.exe /msdaipp.dll / msconv97.dll /msvcp60.dll /advpack.dll /vpowerd.vxd

from SESP30 Beta3

Better Installationroutine for:

Tools9x ,Service 9x , 2to4 Digit ,TTFPack ,HHupd always i must install this by hand

New Version of Infrarecorder is out 0.45 ; bad tool i must say better replace this crap or let it away
Flash 9.0.124 ; Shockwave 10.2.23 runs Stable
New Karens Directory Printer 5.2.9
New Anvir Task Manager Free 5.2
New NIS Time 3.31

i suggest Klugscheisser 3.2 better Scanreg Tool or Autostartmanager 1.45
Bankis
it is already end of the July, no new stable nor beta version to download. auto-patcher starts (if not worse) to loose "update" competition...

QUOTE (soporific @ Jul 1 2008, 11:43 AM) *
The new version is coming very soon, the upgrade pack is about 25 megs (will upgrade your AP from dec 07 to june 08)

barbarien
Question run Shockwave Player 11 under win98 when i want load it from the Adobe Site an Applet comes up

this is not a supportet Operating System

i found this topic

http://www.msfn.org/board/lofiversion/index.php/t114600.html

i load a Version from this Site 11.0.458

http://www.adobe.com/shockwave/download/alternates/ but here is the OS supportet ??

but runs not

also this Version http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#SHFL dont run

so i stay with 10.2.023 runs stable

Dave-H
Shockwave 11 in my experience doesn't even work on Windows 2000, let alone Windows 98! realmad.gif
barbarien
Sometimes i lost my history in ie6 ?????

i installed ie 6 Sp1 +Patches from AP Dez. + 950759 (before i have 947864 , 942615) same thing
something is strange here, often i lost connection to internet must restart the router ????

will test it out -maybe only a to large ie cache set it under 100mb

disable further patches since AP Dez ,maybe the 939653 is good will see, the above Patches i dont no
thydreamwalker
whistling.gif Shockwave 11 and Adobe Reader 8.1.2***RUNS GREAT on W2K (Win2000) AdvancedServer on an old MoBo with PIII-500mhz+256mb/sdram at that!!! unsure.gif ***Win98SE below 256mb/ram cannot support Shockwave above 10.2.0.23 nor above Adobe Reader 6.1...Yet. shifty.gif Careful which flash player you use too!!!Auto-patcher installs work best for that though.... thumbup.gif
barbarien
Why AP installs Java 6 upd 4 before Netframework 1.1 ?????

see there :
http://www.mdgx.com/add.htm#JAVA

whats right ???
barbarien
I found big problems ,
in AP Dez you added these unoffical Patches 301453 , 272991 these are not in the Changelog !!!!
so i must first find out whats the Problem !!! mad.gif

after that my ADSL Connection lost Power and Lost Connection after a while

so i must replaced thes updated Files with older ones and after that my ADSL works great,without connection losses

ndis.vxd 4.10.2226 to 4.10.2224 Q 243199 AP Oct. Full ;newer 4.10.2225 (Q 270063) i cant find
vip.386 4.10.2228 to 4.10.2227 Q 269388 AP Oct. Full
vnetbios.vxd 4.90.3001 to 4.10.1998 Win CD File ; newer 4.10.2223 (Q 265558) i cant find
ppmac.vxd 4.10.2223 to 4.10.2222 Win 98 CD File

welcome.gif





thydreamwalker
whistling.gif AutoPatcher Oct 2007 installs Dotnet 1.1 and java5 updates to 13 and net meeting files ...Dec has DotnetSP1update and java 6............Java5 update15 is current newest! shifty.gif Download Oct2007 to Harddisk and then drop&add Dec2007Final Edition download on top of the files already in AP file....***It Acts as an Upgrade does then add modules as you need and it runs about 45minutes or so thumbup.gif watch for shockwave version with your system as Schockwave10.2.0.23 works best so far ;*Shockwave 11 ,if you have great memory and cpu mhz's...New Flash9.0.124.0 welcome.gif
soporific
Hi everyone, sorry i went AWOL ... i am sort of back but it will still be a while b4 new version. I am still keeping track of things, so don't lose hope for a new version.
Eck
Welcome back soporific. smile.gif

I'm dual-booting Linux and 98SE again, no Vista/XP, so I'm interested in this stuff again. Shockingly I discovered while setting 98SE up that I had never downloaded the full December 2007 final, only the RC and the upgrade. No matter, as the upgrade to final worked fine.

I just toggled off the Java, Flash, Shockwave, and a couple of other things I install myself with later versions and it worked fine. Added a couple of things from the manual installs folder and I was off and running.

My previous problems with getting 98SE stable had to do with both the crappy SATA controllers on my board (so I now use only PATA and deactivate the SATA controller in the Bios) and my finding that Via Hyperion 4-in-1 4.56v is actually the latest one I can use that correctly sets things up on this board on 98SE. No more need to play with manually installing the Via AGP driver to get AGP going as 4.56v sets it up fine automatically. And so far no more mysterious IOS errors that were probably caused by either the SATA or Via driver problems.

I'm kind of afraid of using any later Internet Explorer Cumulative Upgrade package than the one installed by Auto-Patcher because I use ZoneAlarm free for my firewall and I've read that the later IE Cumulative packages cause ZoneAlarm to disconnect from the internet totally. I haven't seen any discussion about this here. The only thing offered by Zonelabs is a new version solving the problem but that version doesn't support 98SE.

I'd love to see some guru here somehow patch up the Internet Explorer updates in that package so they won't cause the problem.

RetroOS
Hi soporific! welcome.gif
Glad you could drop in after floating around in the Ether!

Let's get 9x rolling for 2008!
We need lots of testers for new updates (and free software add-ons), since some updated files this year have issues with some software or Windows 98SE itself.
The more input from people, the better the next AP updates set will be!

So, everyone get testing MDGx's currently listed updates and report!

http://www.msfn.org/board/index.php?showtopic=46581
dencorso
Welcome back soporific. smile.gif

QUOTE (Eck @ Aug 5 2008, 05:21 PM) *
My previous problems with getting 98SE stable had to do with both the crappy SATA controllers on my board (so I now use only PATA and deactivate the SATA controller in the Bios) and my finding that Via Hyperion 4-in-1 4.56v is actually the latest one I can use that correctly sets things up on this board on 98SE. No more need to play with manually installing the Via AGP driver to get AGP going as 4.56v sets it up fine automatically. And so far no more mysterious IOS errors that were probably caused by either the SATA or Via driver problems.


Hi, Eck! I can confirm that Via Hyperion 4-in-1 4.56v is the latest version suitable for 9x/ME. As for SATA, perhaps your controller is not so crappy after all: the point is the latest drivers that work for 9x/ME with Via 6420 or 8237 SATA controllers is way older than that! The right choice is VIA_VT6420VT8237_SerialATA_V220E.zip, which is not easy to find. But now there is a link to get it here.
Eck
Yeah, you know I ran XP fine with the newer Via Hyperion SATA drivers when I was using a SATA hard drive on this board. Linux also ran fine with it. But 98SE just would eventually peter out with crazy errors until I stuck a PATA drive in here and turned off the SATA controller.

Thanks for the link. I probably have that older driver somewhere but now I'll just burn it for safe keeping. I likely had been using that SATA driver way back when I was using my ASUS A7V880 and dual-booting 98SE and XP. It worked fine back then. You're probably right that the newer drivers had a hand in my 98SE frustrations over a couple of years. Via claimed 98SE compatibility in its literature but they obviously must have stopped testing on 9x in the newer versions.

Anyway, I'm happy 98's running just fine now on the board. Those continual "error loading device IOS, real-mode memory allocation failed" 98SE failures drove me crazy for a long time.
T.N.G.O.G.

What am i suppose to download, dec2007?

I don't see the june version?
Eck
December 2007 is still the latest. I would toggle off the Flash, Shockwave, and Sun Java installations and install the latest Flash and Java 6 from Adobe and Sun, and get Shockwave 10.2.0.023 from filehippo.com and install that one. The Shockwave in the Auto=Patcher is a 10.3 variety that didn't work properly and the 11 series also doesn't work.

You can consult the sticky thread for the latest 98SE2ME, 98MP10. There are also further updates there that are newer than those in Auto-Patcher. The Maximus-Decim Internet Explorer Cumulative pack has just been updated so that should take care of that part. I haven't installed it yet because I have ZoneAlarm and heard about connection problems with anything over the 4.5 series once the newer Internet Explorer Cumulative update is installed. I just have to get in the mood to uninstall ZoneAlarm and install the older version before I update Internet Explorer to anything past what's in Auto-Patcher.

Don't worry about what WindowsUpdate says after running AutoPatcher. Everything that shows up has a modified, working better version installed by Auto-Patcher instead of the ones on WindowsUpdate. Installing the WindowsUpdate crappy versions will just replace the newer, better system files with the buggy old stuff.

Don't worry. December 2007 is pretty up to date. I run the Maximus-Decim MDAC pack (download the newer version from the forum), as that includes some stuff not included in the Microsoft MDAC package included in Auto-Patcher. You can run it after Auto-Patcher and it'll just install what's missing. I do the Maximus-Decim USB pack after installing 98SE2ME. Then I can finally install my printer, scanner and joysticks. If you already have, then just unplug them before running the USB pack so it can replace drivers without interference. 98SE2ME installs the Me USB stack and Maximus-Decim updates and adds to the USB. Can mess up if devices are active. If you install 98SE2ME again (to get the latest updates), unplug again and then reinstall Maximus-Decim USB after 98SE2ME.

Contrary to the current thought, I still don't mix 98SE update packs. Choose either Auto-Patcher (which will really give you just about everything) or Gape's pack, or Maximus-Decim's pack. Safest way.

Edit -

Notice I changed where to download Shockwave 10.2.0.023 to filehippo.com. The other place I first mentioned didn't have it. Adobe seems to be pushing only the really old Shockwave 8 versions for systems not compatible with Shockwave 11. And they offer no links to the last one that really worked properly on 9x, the 10.2.0.023. No need for older versions, and if one of the older ones get installed by some software I uninstall Shockwave and reinstall this 10.2.0.023. It's really 10.2.023 but filehippo just added a zero on their web page I think.

10.2.024 or 10.3 don't work either. Those are where they broke things for 9x.
T.N.G.O.G.

Thanks, i will download soon.
thydreamwalker
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jda-au
With regards to Auto-patcher Win98.UBCD, I have killed/deleted "Windows Update Manager".
Having a connection to http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ is a waste of space and effort, as it is dead in the water.

If you access Windows Update, this is how far the process will get: Windows Update is looking for available updates... 0% complete
If you open "C:\Windows\Windows Update.log"
CODE
2008-09-06 09:36:34  23:36:34   Success   IUCTL          Starting
2008-09-06 09:36:43  23:36:43   Success   IUCTL          Downloaded iuident.cab from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/ to C:\Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4
2008-09-06 09:36:44  23:36:44   Success   IUCTL          Checking to see if new version of Windows Update software available
2008-09-06 09:36:44  23:36:44   Success   IUCTL          Current iuctl.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
2008-09-06 09:36:44  23:36:44   Success   IUCTL          Current iuengine.dll version: 5.3.3790.13
2008-09-06 09:36:44  23:36:44   Success   IUENGINE       Starting
2008-09-06 09:36:45  23:36:45   Success   IUENGINE       Determining machine configuration
2008-09-06 09:36:46  23:36:46   Success   IUENGINE       Determining machine configuration

Once "Windows Update" has identified System is Win98 and confirmed result, no further action will occur.

So you have a few extra kb's of useless Registry Data to assist in slowing OS speed, plus some files on your HDD that serve no purpose!

I have tested it, one step at a time, and if placed into the respective places of Win98.UBCD, or any other Win98SE Installation, 'tis hands off and gone forever. My OS is Win98SE (Full Version, not that there is any difference between any identical version of Full/Upgrade/OEM except in price). The only enhancements, spit 'n polish is by way of Win98.UBCD.4.0.8.001, as supplied.

The files are all commented, but a quick abbreviated explanation is in order:

Filename: kill_WU.bat
Comment: Looking at a link in the registry, I am now having second thoughts on deleting "WUPDMGR.EXE", as it appears to be used during Active Setup. If in doubt, REM it out! But I did not REM it out, as the only visible work "WUPDMGR.EXE" appears to do is access WindowsUpdate.
deleted WUPDMGR.EXE
deleted OWINDO~1.XML
deleted Windows Update.log
deleted Start Menu\Windows Update.lnk

Filename: kill_WU.reg
kills WindowsUpdate
enables/disables NoDevMgrUpdate
enables/disables NoWindowsUpdate
Comment: NoDevMgrUpdate controls: Start -> Settings -> System -> Device Manager -> Driver -> Update Driver -> Update Device Driver Wizard -> Microsoft Windows Update
Comment: NoWindowsUpdate controls: (visble/hidden) IEXPLORE.EXE -> Tools -> Windows Update link (and) Start -> Settings -> Windows Update link (and) Start -> Windows Update link

The titles are self explanatory: (with a .txt tag added). 8th Sept. 2008 No changes made anywhere, removed "kill_WU.bat", restored, no change.
soporific
hi everyone ... i'm back (again) ... i was moving and it was a 'nightmare from hell' move that took forever and was traumatic to the extreme. I will read over the last few pages of the thread and reply to stuff so if you have unanswered questions, please just save me time by reposting them.
jacksprat199
I recently installed auto-patcher and ran into a few problems during install all were remedied when I bumped up my ram from 128kb to 256kb. Some of the modules don't react well if there is less than 256kb installed. Please recommend at least 256kb of ram before installing auto-patcher and even 982ME to help prevent someone else the headaches!
Spacetech
This program was very helpful, thanks!
thydreamwalker
whistling.gif Ram isn't thee problem ;sometimes newer machines with newer PCI cards causes problems with98SE  programs being installed as My "Best MoBo'=64mb-2x32mb(Old Style)Dimm Ram/72pinn on a 1999 Via Apollo Shuttle Board @ 233mmx,233mhz/66mhzbus ;It Runs better than my other 5 MoBo's @ 128,160,192,256,or512(all SDRam Machines).All have 98SE with the various Ram chips.*Try looking into a System Information Program and see what your MoBo can "Really Do" and Tweak it properly for Efficient Memory and Cpu usage! thumbup.gif
astrogirl_uran
unsure.gif Can't install autopatcher

First got environment space variable error - but nothing saves to log files.
I removed a line relating to this in config.sys and
now get no error at all - program won't load and no error message just dos
box opens and closes but still not installing.

Also tried increasing space environment variable sizes to max via right-clicking
the start me bat files but still nothing.

Have 256 MB ram total with 32 mb of this shared with video card - don't know if the ram is problem?

Any suggestions?
Dave-H
I had this same problem, and it was mainly due to too much stuff in my autoexec.bat.
I went to this "bare bones" version, and it worked -

@ECHO OFF
PATH C:\WINDOWS;C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND;C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM
MODE CON CODEPAGE PREPARE=((850) C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\EGA.CPI)
MODE CON CODEPAGE SELECT=850
KEYB UK,,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\KEYBOARD.SYS

This is set for a UK English configuration of course.

Also I had to REM out a line in my config.sys to get Auto-patcher to run, as indicated -

SHELL=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND.COM /E:768 /P
REM ** REM OUT THE PREVIOUS LINE WHEN USING AUTO-PATCHER **
DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\ANSI.SYS
COUNTRY=044,850,C:\WINDOWS\COMMAND\COUNTRY.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB,AUTO

Give that a try.
Good luck!
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T.N.G.O.G.

I have a question maybe someone can help.

My onboard sound seems to be having issues, it disappears, everything gets greyed out, however when installing the autopatcher, it installs something that fixes the problem, and it finds the hardware and installs the software and my sound comes back.

Does anyone know, in what section in the autopatcher where it upgrades your sound?

Can i install this manually?
Drugwash
The report file should offer details on the installed modules and their role so reading it may provide a clue. It's a starting point, anyway.
Eck
T.N.G.O.G,

It's likely the WDM Audio and USB Windows Updates. Check out the big list of 98SE updates at mdgx.com. He has direct links to them following the descriptions, so sure you can install them yourself. TurtleBeach and Phillips used to pack them in their own installers for users to install before installing their WDM soundcard drivers. Creative cd's used to include them and install them automatically as part of their installation routine. The VXD style audio drivers didn't need the updates but the WDM's did in order for the cards to work properly.
T.N.G.O.G.

I have a quick question.

I just downloaded the dec2007 298MB file, after autopatching everything, is it safe to delete the folder?
or should i just leave it be on my computer in the documents folder?
thydreamwalker
thumbup.gif Keep the  Auto-Patcher98SEfolder on a cdr/cdrw or another drive such as flash or separate hdd for if and when problems may arrise whistling.gif It saves time  welcome.gif
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