Drugwash
Feb 11 2007, 04:31 AM
Great reports, 2Turtles, thank you very much!

I'm sure you gave soporific food for thought.
Soporific, regarding the :MISSING routine, you'll find it added at the very end of AutoPach.bat in my zip. I tried to do it in your style, I hope it got out right.

All it does is report if any of the files in code or bin are missing.
Regarding references to ErrChoic, they can be avoided simply by defining sections before the
choice commands and looping back to that section on wrong key. Example (snippet from the debug mode choice I added in StartPch.bat):
echo. Do you want to enable debug mode? [Y/N]
:DebSel
choice>nul /c:yn /n
if errorlevel 2 goto DebN
if errorlevel 1 goto DebY
goto DebSelBut I'm sure you knew that already - I got that from your code.

Believe it or not, I had no idea so many things can be done in a batch file - I never got around playing with them. But I learn fast... sometimes (and it looks very similar to BASIC, which I used to know pretty well back in the Z80 days).
Eck
Feb 11 2007, 11:26 PM
2Turtles,
I think all those in your list need to be toggled on to be installed by auto-patcher. They are disabled by default. I remember going in and turning most of those on, then I got them. That was when using version 1.8. For those you want you can go in and run the installers manually or, and that's the beauty of this thing, you can simply run auto-patcher again. Just toggle those things on and run it. It won't reinstall all that stuff it installed the first time since it will detect that they are present.
pjmelect
Feb 12 2007, 11:35 PM
I tried Auto-Patcher 1.8 for Windows98SE the other day and I have the following observations.
When first run Auto-Patcher Said that DUN 1.4 was not present, but I thought that I had installed it with Gapes service pack, is Gapes version of DUN 1.4 not detected by Auto-Patcher?
About a third of the updates weren’t installed because it said that “a newer version of the update was detected” is this message correct? I don’t believe that I have so many newer updates than Auto-Patcher. Should the message say “ the same or newer version of the update was detected”?
Kb905495 "started to loop thru installation and so was not installed again"
I then installed Auto-Patcher 1.92 and reran it, however no changes were made to my system, is this correct?
soporific
Feb 13 2007, 01:09 AM
QUOTE (pjmelect @ Feb 13 2007, 04:35 PM)

When first run Auto-Patcher Said that DUN 1.4 was not present, but I thought that I had installed it with Gapes service pack, is Gapes version of DUN 1.4 not detected by Auto-Patcher?
the one in Gape's pack is not the complete version (one of the components has been removed I forget which one), but it is still v1.4 so Auto-Patcher (AP) should still recognise that to some degree. I'll look further into harmonising this ...
QUOTE
About a third of the updates weren’t installed because it said that “a newer version of the update was detected” is this message correct? I don’t believe that I have so many newer updates than Auto-Patcher. Should the message say “ the same or newer version of the update was detected”?
To be precise, AP should be telling you that you have a more recent file, and that is why the hotfix won't be installed. Some hotfixes make other hotfixes obsolete even when they are not related to each other at all, except they share a similar file. Are you sure its "about a third"? Maybe write down the offending updates next time around and I'll look into it.
QUOTE
Kb905495 "started to loop thru installation and so was not installed again"
This was a known bug in v1.8 but v1.92 it should report that it was installed, and then found as installed. What you should do is post your log file when providing feedback, because that will telll much more of the story of what happened when you ran AP than you are telling me at present. Don't forget about the report function, it uses the same code as the installation routines so its a good way to know in advance what AP is going to do. Use CODEBOX to save space in your post ie CODEBOX text here /CODEBOX but with brackets around CODEBOX etc.
QUOTE
I then installed Auto-Patcher 1.92 and reran it, however no changes were made to my system, is this correct?
No, Kb905495 should have installed, then found as installed the next time around.
Thanks for posting your comments, awesome, much appreciated.
DeadDude
Feb 13 2007, 08:56 AM
QUOTE (iWindoze @ Jan 31 2007, 08:32 PM)

QUOTE (iWindoze @ Jan 31 2007, 06:18 PM)

I'll throw my image of the 98SE autopatcher install back on the drive later tonight and check.
Well I lied...
No actually what happened is I found some of the drivers I've been looking for and thought I'd give installing them a quick spin to see if they'd fix some of the problems I've been having... no dice. I did a screen grab before I tossed my XP back on though, so here's your answer in the image I attached. And no, before you ask I have no idea how I managed to get such a high version number installed!
--iWindoze
Hey now... that *really* resembles the info I was pulling off my funky 98SE cdrom....
I am currently using a P166MMX with 32megs RAM (has a 32meg stick and a 16 meg stick, reports as 64megs ram... might have to pull the 16 out, the whole system is shaky with it)
I installed my 4.90.3000 98SE.... had an error in Browseui.dll, caused a loop of crashes... boot into safe mode, ran ap 1.6 and the error went away...
Is this browseui.dll error "common"? Any ideas? It did this *before* I added the suspect ram.... :gee:
Drugwash
Feb 13 2007, 09:43 AM
I suspect you're mixing EDO RAM with FPM, which is something that many boards do not accept, although they claim they do. Better find similar type memory sticks, according to the mobo specifications.
4.90.3000 is Millenium version, not 98SE. There's something fishy going on, but I think this has been discussed already (if I'm not wrong).
No idea about the browseui.dll error - not related to Auto-Patcher, at least.
DeadDude
Feb 13 2007, 09:51 AM
Drugwash-
can you elaborate on the RAM situation??? I've *never* heard of that.... FPM?
We did already discuss the messed up 98 cd... I'm testing it out with as many apps as I can run on this lappy...
the browseui.dll error was at least fixed by autopatcher... I don't remember if this error happens on all new installs with this CD I used or not... not important though, as methinks it is in the CD...
I was just wondering if anyone else had errors in browseui.dll...
Hmm... mixed ram types.... gotta look into that- thanks for the heads up!
soporific
Feb 13 2007, 11:26 PM
QUOTE (DeadDude @ Feb 14 2007, 01:56 AM)

... ran ap 1.6 and the error went away...
1.6 ????
I personally wouldn't use anything under v1.8

-- seriously, v1.6 is 2 versions before the one that I thought was accurate enough to release to the public. C'mon, v1.8 is on a reasonable server, go get it!
bluecatfish
Feb 16 2007, 10:23 AM
Thanks sporoific for all the great work on AutoPatcher! I just used ver 1.8 with 1.91 update on a fresh install of Win98SE without any problems. After installing AP I ran Windows Update and it found 6 critical updates that needed to be installed, listed below. Is this normal?
Critical Updates:
KB916281
KB891711
Windows Share Level Password Update
Q323172
Security Update, May 19, 2000
Security Update, March 17, 2000
My system:
Nec Ready 120LT Laptop
Cyrix GX200MMX
128MB Ram
20GB Hitachi HDD
Thanks again for all the good work all of you have put into this project!
soporific
Feb 16 2007, 09:36 PM
QUOTE (bluecatfish @ Feb 17 2007, 03:23 AM)

Thanks sporoific for all the great work on AutoPatcher! I just used ver 1.8 with 1.91 update on a fresh install of Win98SE without any problems. After installing AP I ran Windows Update and it found 6 critical updates that needed to be installed, listed below. Is this normal?<snip>
Yes it is. Unfortunately the entire suite of Windows 98 hotfixes as it stands now don't play well together. Without going to much into it (this has already been discussed at length - go back about 10-20 posts) these are false alarms. By all means install the updates but nothing of value is actually installed on your system, all that happens is that Windows Update forces the re-installation of some hotfixes that had their hotfix info changed in some way. Because you have files with higher version numbers, none of the system files contained in these hotfixes is actually installed, but the hotfix info is replaced where it was missing.
I will add this info to the readme.txt file so others aren't spooked. Or even better, provide a menu option to go to Windows Update with a short note about the false alarms. It'll be in the next version.
bluecatfish
Feb 19 2007, 08:30 AM
I appreciate the info Soporific. Keep up the good work. Guys like you is what keeps a great OS like Win 98 alive!
soporific
Feb 20 2007, 02:45 AM
just announcing that I can see the light at the end of the tunnel i've been in the last week or so while on another project, and so will resume work on AP soon.
MDGx has sorted thru MSs latest hotfix horror alerts and given us what we can use, so those will be in the next preview release due in about a week i'd say.
Thanks to everyone for their feedback, i will be going over it all and answering any queries i've missed.
Eck
Feb 20 2007, 04:56 PM
Hi again!
Just reporting in with my latest run of Auto-Patcher. I'm in a long process of setting up a multi-boot with 98SE, XP, and Vista on one hard drive and OpenSUSE Linux 10.2 on a second hard drive. I've gotten through 98SE and XP at this point.
To avoid confusion I've not used any extended logical drives, preferring to let Partition Magic create 3 primary partitions and letting XP format the one C drive it sees when setting itself up. The others are hidden by PM. PM, in my experience, does not do a good job formatting NTFS partitions so that's why I have XP do that during setup.
I've given 98SE 40GB, XP 80GB, and Vista 128GB. Imagine my surprise when seeing that XP now only has 30GB free space after all my software basics and my music, picture, and emulator game roms are installed. Well, I've reduced the System Restore capacity to its minimum of 300MB so I guess that's about the best I can do. I had no idea my stuff took up all that space! I haven't even installed any games yet, except for those roms which take up about 7 GB. My mp3's take up about 17 GB.
I've yet to decide whether to install my old XP Home Edition on the Vista partition first and have my Vista clean install its upgrade from that or to use the recently discovered method of having the Vista Upgrade DVD upgrade itself by installing it twice. I never use the XP Home Edition anymore as I've gone Pro, but I'm still not sure what I want to do. I suppose either way works fine.
I'm sure I'm in for loads of fun figuring out how to manage the multi-boot scenerio I prefer. My way, Vista will only see itself so will not set up the multi-boot menu for me (I hope). PQBoot from each OS will set the active partition whenever I want to change OS's. My biggest wonder is what's going to happen when I install Linux to the other hard drive and what Grub is going to leave me with after setup. I think it's possible to manually setup Grub to boot the various Windows partitions from tinkering with Grub within YaST. Don't know. I've printed out plenty of guides though so I'll see if I can tinker things up properly. I know BootMagic can't handle Vista so I haven't even bothered installing that. I'll either use Grub or PQBoot.
OKAY! The Auto-Patcher results: Perfect, perfect, perfect! I absolutely love this thing and thank you for developing it. No problems using 98SE2ME and 98MP10 afterwards either. I did need to delete shelliconcache, reboot, then restore it from the Recycle Bin to get the new My Computer icon to show though. I toggled off all the MDGx stuff in Auto-Patcher and instead installed the full versions myself afterwards.
NO SURPRISE: I got the Error Loading Device IOS, real mode memory allocation failed after installing something. I renamed smartdrv.exe to smartdrvold.exe in safe mode and 98SE then booted up fine. Interestingly, when checking bootlog.pre I see that it has a line saying that load vxd: SMARTDRV.EXE was successful. What the heck is calling that to be loaded I have no clue. Apparently it eventually fails to load it successfully and so I get that IOS error. I promise that smartdrv.exe is not called by ANY startup option screen I know about. It's not in autoexec.bat, config.sys, msdos.sys, protical.ini, win.ini, or system.ini. There are no references to smartdrv.exe in the registry. But something on ANY of my 98SE installations thinks it needs to be loaded for Windows. I'm totally clueless.
ShadeTreeLee
Feb 21 2007, 12:49 AM
QUOTE (DeadDude @ Jan 15 2007, 03:19 PM)

The patching goes through without a hitch... my problem is I need to know what updates increases the Windows version number to what values?
Or, if there is a way to force Windows to report a particular version number, I think this by itself may allow me to use all the updates without HPJOBBER having issues.
The updates work great, the problem is HPJOBBER doesn't want to work properly for some reason when 98 is fully patched.
Thank you for pointing out the list at the beginning, but I need to find out how those updates change the version reported.
Eck nailed it. "No Microsoft Windows Updates change the version number of Windows with the exception of the long discontinued Microsoft Security Updates Cd. " So your only excuse is a corrupted registry since this version info is just a simple value in the registry here?
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion]
"VersionNumber"="4.10.2222"
"SubVersionNumber"="B"
And this is the same text displayed by pressing Winkey and Pause. It is NOT used for much version testing and it doesn't alter the DOS ver report at all. Your HPJOBBER may be one of the very rare ones that actually does look at (/alter?) this key's value. 98 Gold gets an 'A' for a SubversionNumber after running the Security CD, just to add confusion to the issue I believe, unless anybody else really does know why? Before the Security CD is run, there is no SubVersionNumber entry or value at all.
------------------
soporific
Your trials at WinUP site are due to the erasing of the below key's value by the reinstallation of IE. I really don't know why they do it that way but the iewizard does it every time it fires up. This is the text one sees when clicking on Help/About in IE but with the title 'Update Versions:' instead of the key's name of 'MinorVersion'.
REGEDIT4
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings]
"MinorVersion"=";SP2;Q890923;Q837009;q313829;Q891781;Q832894;Q823353;Q903235;"
This entry is from my 98se IE 5.50 SP2 machine, your mileage will vary of course. Most of the more recent updates used a custom update engine which directly writes the update's ID number to this key thus providing a record of it for the V4 WinUP scan. If the WinUp scan can't find the number in this key, then you get bugged to reinstall the update even when file version protection inherent in inf files has prevented your higher versioned files from being overwritten during the IE reinstall in the first place and your really don't need the f@#$n update at ALL. To WinUP's credit though, there is also a version test done on the critical update's files themselves so one should not be able to 'fake' their way out of a legitimate WinUP scan of their system by cheating in the registry by manually setting it with values similar to those shown above. But that's one way you can avoid the nag at WinUP site given the proper files are in place, even MS recommended doing just that in one or two cases very early in the V4 WinUP site's life.
The other way is to use the custom update engine with the proper inf file 'strings' section as per each update and let the original engine write the key as it is supposed to. You can spot these updates with Resource Hacker in the RCData section under RunProgram - "OEUPDATE.EXE" Q837009 for example, means that OEUPDATE.EXE is the install engine and a batch file can launch it just fine, I would extend the quotes past the Inf file number Q837009 in this case and also include the full drive and path in the quotes for good measure. This 'Original' method would then also pass the QFE test (maybe?) - which is, go to the Windows folder and double click on QFECheck.exe. Read it's report to find all manner of missing/wrong versioned files. Running updates can be a headache at times as even done fully and properly, QFECheck will show some bad files when they are OK. This was a recent reg 'fix file' posted in Computing.net forum, and it works good. MS needs better logic/script to scan with at WinUP site and they need to write these updates correctly in the first place, as this stuff below attests to, original update data is just plain wrong.
REGEDIT4
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates\W98\UPD908519]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates\W98\UPD908519]
@="Windows 98 KB908519 Update"
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\t2embed.dll"="5.0.2195.7073"
[-HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates\W98\UPD918547]
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Setup\Updates\W98\UPD918547]
@="Windows 98 KB918547 Update"
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB918547\\KB918547.EXE"="4.10.0.2224"
"C:\\WINDOWS\\SYSTEM\\KB918547\\Q918547.dll"="4.10.0.2224"
Keep up the good work!
Lee
dondwsmith
Feb 21 2007, 02:52 AM
hi I tried to download Version 1.8 from the link on page 1 of this thread that links to softpedia
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enh...dows-98SE.shtmlOn this page I can only find the V 1.92 update.
I have searched for other programs by soporific but they list none.
Is there any other non-torrent download location?
soporific
Feb 21 2007, 04:04 AM
QUOTE (ShadeTreeLee @ Feb 21 2007, 05:49 PM)

soporific
Your trials at WinUP site are due to the erasing of the below key's value by the reinstallation of IE. I really don't know why they do it that way but the iewizard does it every time it fires up. This is the text one sees when clicking on Help/About in IE but with the title 'Update Versions:' instead of the key's name of 'MinorVersion'.
<snip>
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for your wealth of information -- i sort of knew that was the problem with WU but its good to have it spelled out exactly what's happening. I'm not sure I'm going to do much with the info, either I embark on the project to make AP in complete harmony with WU, or not, and frankly i'd anticipate it taking quite a bit of time and I promised myself that my music side would get a go this year, taking off my propellerhead hat and hanging it up for a bit. But who knows, maybe even arranging some of the modules will help -- now that I know that it is IE that causes the mayhem i can work around that. See, you've helped already.
QUOTE (dondwsmith @ Feb 21 2007, 07:52 PM)

hi I tried to download Version 1.8 from the link on page 1 of this thread that links to softpedia
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/OS-Enh...dows-98SE.shtmlOn this page I can only find the V 1.92 update.
There are 4 links on the page - 2 for the update and 2 for the main program v1.8 --- how can you only be seeing 2 links? Have another look... i used the link from your post and started the download within 10 seconds ... just letting you know
ShadeTreeLee
Feb 21 2007, 02:11 PM
QUOTE (soporific @ Feb 21 2007, 03:04 AM)

now that I know that it is IE that causes the mayhem i can work around that. See, you've helped already.
Thanks for the kind words, I understand your hesitation to do a thing with WinUP/QFECheck alignment. It's a hassle all the way but at least now you know exactly where to look. If it were me doing it, I'm thinking I would make one reg file or inf file that writes that key after everything else gets done, a sort of a patch to the patch approach. And even that is problematic depending on what actually ran.
--------------------
SoftPedia site is not going to work for me. I had the same confusion as dondwsmith in that I did get 1.92 file with no problems but the text on the 1.8 link is misleading enough that I didn't know it was THE link I was looking for. BOTH files are on the same page, guys!
http://www.softpedia.com/progDownload/Auto...load-64269.html SP Mirror (US) - Update (v1.92 <<<<< click here and
SP Mirror (RO) - Update (v1.92
Softpedia Secure Download (US) (v1.8 <<<<< here
Softpedia Secure Download (RO) (v1.8
But even with that snafu ironed out, I go to resume my 2 megs downloaded from last night of the 1.8 file this morning and because SoftPedia is offline or some other reason (needs cookies?), Download Express pukes, destroys what I did get and can't even start over. This is not going to work for me at 14.4 dial up fellas, sorry - I've got a life too.
As is, I'm looking at several days to get the 220 meg downloaded with no phone for all that time. And the last time this happened, my sister called the cops out on us for fear that we were all dead out here, thankfully they couldn't be bothered enough to drive out and check on us. Or maybe that's a bad thing?
bpw1111
Feb 21 2007, 02:19 PM
Great Work Soporific ! I installed everything on Versions 1.8 and 1.92. My computer runs much better ! Thanks so much.
I'm not acomplainer, however there is about a 10 or 11 second "hang" after a re-boot, right when it logs on to the network.
Any suggestions or comments would greatly be appreciated.
Brian
Drugwash
Feb 21 2007, 04:14 PM
ShadeTreeLee: you may wanna try FlashGet for a download manager. To be on the safe side - as there have been some bug reports for the 1.8x versions - you may wanna try 1.73, which was still available for download a couple days ago. I've been using it for years and it works fine with Softpedia.
Sorry for the off-topic.
Drugwash
Feb 22 2007, 08:02 AM
Soporific, could you please have a look at
this package, when possible? It may help compacting the Auto-Patcher installation a little bit.
Also please note that NUSB 3.0 is out, you may wanna replace NUSB 2.4 with this newer version.
big3b
Feb 24 2007, 04:11 PM
Hey everybody, kinda new here and need help. I have already installed the service pack and was going to install the auto-patcher, 98se2me and revolutions. My problem is when I click on the auto-patcher 1.8 exe file, it goes almost to the end and asks for Disk 2, 1.82. I have looked through this thread quickly and have found nothing yet and thought I would ask. I know that I have probably overlooked something here so I am sorry if I am repeating an earlier question. Thanks for any help.
Matt
Nevermind. When I downloaded this it was at work and when I burned it somehow some stuff got on the back of the disc and messed up the burn. Thanks anyway.
DeadDude
Feb 25 2007, 09:50 PM
bit torrent link is down....
i had a major hard drive crash.... stuck using the p166mmx as only pc for a month....
any chance of a re-up?
soporific
Feb 26 2007, 06:42 AM
QUOTE (bpw1111 @ Feb 22 2007, 07:19 AM)

I'm not acomplainer, however there is about a 10 or 11 second "hang" after a re-boot, right when it logs on to the network.
Does anyone have any guesses to what could cause a new 10 second delay as above ??
I'll look into a torrent ...
Drugwash
Feb 26 2007, 07:00 AM
Could be because of the DUN 1.4 upgrade... I noticed the same thing on a clean install after I upgrade certain components. Usually, I install DUN 1.4 manually, together with IE6-SP1, just to be sure. However, I never cared to keep an evidence of what's changed in terms of behaviour after installing this or that, so I may be wrong.
DeadDude
Feb 26 2007, 11:38 PM
Why *should* I even worry about DUN?? I use WiFi...
and I don't use IE. either... so do I still need the DUN update??
MDGx
Feb 27 2007, 01:57 PM
QUOTE (DeadDude @ Feb 26 2007, 10:38 PM)
Why *should* I even worry about DUN?? I use WiFi...
and I don't use IE. either... so do I still need the DUN update??
From what I recall, all DUN updates/fixes/patches/etc are necessary no matter what protocol you use to connect, even satellite, WiFi/wireless, cable/LAN or DSL/WAN, because some DUN components are used by the OS for all types of connections.
And it doesn't matter which web browser(s) you use either, all web browsers are just an interface between your local computer/terminal/device/appliance and the internet/network/remote server, not a connection protocol.
M$ DUN 1.3 and 1.4 updates are probably built with a proprietary iexpress tool or some other installer tool [?], that's why it doesn't behave same as most other installers [which are built with iexpress].
HTH
soporific
Feb 28 2007, 09:26 PM
Change log for v1.95: *NOT YET RELEASED*
- i plan this to be another preview release, available on public server
- code for the Root Certificate Update improved - uses maths now and so is future proof -- the file is also more recent
- code for the Windows 98 Second Edition Shutdown Supplement (q239887) has reverted back to what it was circa v1.7 - i knew there was a reason i stopped using the INF file, its probably the worst packaged hotfix Microsoft ever released (apart from DUN14) and doesn't play well with ANYONE! Stupid brat hotfix ... needs a good smack is what it needs.
- the program now uses the default web browser to take you to the homepage. If you aren't using IE then it doesn't matter now.
- the report function has been vastly improved - you can search for missing updates based upon your selections in the modules section, the process is quicker, and the results are numbered and broken down into which modules they came from, and the total number of missing updates is recorded at the end. I repeat, the report function has been VASTLY improved.
- Ummmm ... in what may be a slightly controversial move, i've changed around all the navigation letters in the module menu pages. eg. '(T) Toggle - more options' is now (U) Use more options, (S) will now save your choices, not start the installations, (I) will start the installations, and so on. This was done after lots of thought and not on a whim. The letters were simply all over the place because i only started out with a few and just kept assigning new ones to what was left. I hope you all agree it was worth it and that its not too much of an inconvenience having to re-learn the navigation letters!
- (more to come...)
Drugwash
Mar 1 2007, 07:45 AM
Glad to see you back to this. Could we get an alpha/beta update for this version, instead of a full PR? I mean, with all those changes, there's chance something might go wrong and people could get upset for having downloaded a big file. Besides, I think many (if not all) of the interested people would have already downloaded the big 1.8.
Anyway, it's your call - I just came in with my thought.
soporific
Mar 1 2007, 10:48 AM
QUOTE (Drugwash @ Mar 2 2007, 12:45 AM)

Glad to see you back to this. Could we get an alpha/beta update for this version, instead of a full PR? I mean, with all those changes, there's chance something might go wrong and people could get upset for having downloaded a big file. Besides, I think many (if not all) of the interested people would have already downloaded the big 1.8.
Anyway, it's your call - I just came in with my thought.
I'll go you one better, how about right now? --- the report function is now unrecognisable from what it was --- if you would like to test it out and also check out the new navigation and layout, please download the attachment and install to the program directory. I highly advise making a test copy of the program and using that to test ... PLEASE DO NOT ATTEMPT TO INSTALL ANYTHING, just muck about as much as you want with the report function, especially from within the modules section --- the code is for the latest updates so you might get a few surprises. I'll upload the attachment in just a sec ...
and i will offer an upgrade pack as well...
the attachment is now available to download .... i tested the zip contents by installing a fresh copy of v1.8 and then overwriting with the contents of the zip file. All the report functions seemed to work
remember: its not a good idea to try to use the alpha to install anything, unless you are inside a VM or are using a test machine. you can go as far as the 'Are you sure' screen and its a good idea to do so, so you can read the extra messages when you use the 'Force re-installation' and 'registry tweak undo' functions. Also try to select the NUSB30 update, and try the Select All function. Have fun !!! And lots of feedback is great ...
REMEMBER:
1) use the alpha to do anything but install.
2) the navigation letters are all different ... sorry.
Drugwash
Mar 1 2007, 12:16 PM
Don't worry, Miranda never leaves my plate empty, so take your time. I'll check back later on.
Off-topic: the 200MHz Pentium MMX machine I was planning on using for Auto-Patcher (and other) tests will have to go to my daughter instead. So I'm left with an 166 MHz Pentium now, which I have yet to set up. Is time running out faster, or am I getting older and slower?

[EDIT] Seconds are definitely shorter for you.
seskanda
Mar 1 2007, 06:08 PM
Just curious: What is 'Windows Networking Tool (the Windows XP version)?' I'm assuming it's a program, or maybe a set of programs? What does it do?
soporific
Mar 1 2007, 08:37 PM
QUOTE (seskanda @ Mar 2 2007, 11:08 AM)

Just curious: What is 'Windows Networking Tool (the Windows XP version)?' I'm assuming it's a program, or maybe a set of programs? What does it do?
This is the Network Wizard that is available in Windows XP that automatically configures your system to network with other computers. It works perfectly well when used on a Windows 98 machine.
seskanda
Mar 2 2007, 12:02 AM
QUOTE (soporific @ Mar 1 2007, 09:37 PM)

This is the Network Wizard that is available in Windows XP that automatically configures your system to network with other computers. It works perfectly well when used on a Windows 98 machine.
Cool. So, can i download it by itself, separated from the 98se Auto-Patcher, by any chance?
klerg
Mar 2 2007, 03:20 AM
QUOTE (soporific @ Mar 1 2007, 08:37 PM)

Module: Win98 to Me
Contents:
The core of MDGx’s Win98 to Me (replaces EXPLORER.EXE, USER.EXE, USER32.DLL with Windows ME versions)
- note: this is probably the single best upgrade to install on your system. It is unbelievable how much faster, stable, and more responsive the OS is after this update is installed. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
Does this update require Internet Explorer to be installed beforehand?
soporific
Mar 2 2007, 03:56 AM
QUOTE (seskanda @ Mar 2 2007, 05:02 PM)

QUOTE (soporific @ Mar 1 2007, 09:37 PM)

This is the Network Wizard that is available in Windows XP that automatically configures your system to network with other computers. It works perfectly well when used on a Windows 98 machine.
Cool. So, can i download it by itself, separated from the 98se Auto-Patcher, by any chance?
http://www.sharebigfile.com/file/98264/NETSETUP-zip.htmlQUOTE (klerg @ Mar 2 2007, 08:20 PM)

QUOTE (soporific @ Mar 1 2007, 08:37 PM)

Module: Win98 to Me
Contents:
The core of MDGx’s Win98 to Me (replaces EXPLORER.EXE, USER.EXE, USER32.DLL with Windows ME versions)
- note: this is probably the single best upgrade to install on your system. It is unbelievable how much faster, stable, and more responsive the OS is after this update is installed. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
Does this update require Internet Explorer to be installed beforehand?
I'm sorry i'm not sure if this works on a system without Internet Explorer ... IE comes default with the OS and its pretty hard to get rid of it entirely. If you are asking do you need to upgrade to IE 6 sp1 before installing this, then the answer is no. It should work fine.
seskanda
Mar 2 2007, 02:20 PM
Thanks!
klerg
Mar 2 2007, 02:27 PM
Then it should work with just IE 5.0, right? Have you heard of IEradicator 2001? It removes ALL IE versions from 9x systems, but retains web view/thumbnails. There's also Revenge of Mozilla, i never tried this one, though.
soporific
Mar 3 2007, 03:52 AM
QUOTE (klerg @ Mar 3 2007, 07:27 AM)

Then it should work with just IE 5.0, right? Have you heard of IEradicator 2001? It removes ALL IE versions from 9x systems, but retains web view/thumbnails. There's also Revenge of Mozilla, i never tried this one, though.
Well if you don't upgrade to 6 sp1, then you're gonna have v5. As I said, on a fresh install I installed the Win98 to Me and everything worked afterwards. Much faster.
If you want to give something back, did you notice any inaccuracies when using the report function at any time?
MDGx
Mar 6 2007, 06:24 AM
QUOTE (klerg @ Mar 2 2007, 02:20 AM)
QUOTE (soporific @ Mar 1 2007, 08:37 PM)

Module: Win98 to Me
Contents:
The core of MDGx’s Win98 to Me (replaces EXPLORER.EXE, USER.EXE, USER32.DLL with Windows ME versions)
- note: this is probably the single best upgrade to install on your system. It is unbelievable how much faster, stable, and more responsive the OS is after this update is installed. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED.
Does this update require Internet Explorer to be installed beforehand?
All 98SE2ME options [except option 3] do not require IE, any version, only the one that installs as part of the OS [IE 5.0] when you first installed Windows 98 SE.
But option 3 [which installs WinME explorer.exe, shell32.dll, comdlg32.dll, docprop*.dll, webvw.dll and a few others] requires IE 5.5 or newer:
http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#IEXbecause WinME files installed by option 3 require it.
Complete 98SE2ME guide:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/READ1ST.TXT98SE2ME:
- forum:
http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=46349- screen shots:
http://www.mdgx.com/9s2m/- step-by-step guide:
http://www.mdgx.com/98-5.htm#KRM9SHTH
nathanson1947
Mar 6 2007, 12:08 PM
I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but when I check Windows Update, I now get a message saying that this site is only for computers running Windows, and that MacIntosh users should go to a different site. This occurs both on my computer (running Windows 98SE) and on a friend's (running Windows ME). Has Microsoft decided to disown both 98SE and ME and redirect their users to apple?
submix8c
Mar 6 2007, 05:08 PM
HEY!!! Soporific!
I found the problem with Optional Components / 3d Party Apps (specifically 7-zip). The problem was the LOCATE program used in routine "MainCode.bat".
Here is the code patch I used to (temporarily) "fix" the error (comments included):
CODE
:DOLOCA
:: use the LOCATE.COM method --- this finds a file anywhere on the system
:::::::: TEMP CODE
::: Guess what! The LOCATE.COM uses the "SET LOCATE=" variable to
::: utilize default options... (ref. LOCATE.TXT in the package)
:::
::: SO....
::: we temporarily swap the "LOCATE" variable into a temporary
::: variable for execution and then swap them back afterwards...
:::
::: OR change the variable named "LOCATE" to something else...
:::
::: (p.s.#1: LOCATE.TXT also states use a ":" (colon) for file count...)
::: (p.s.#2: ALSO the "not found" string was wrong...)
:::
::::: TEMP SWAP!!! :::::
SET whyme=%LOCATE%
SET LOCATE=
::: old and new instructions follow...
:: "%LOCATE%\bin\LOCATE" "%CHECK%" /F1 /G | Find /i "No Matches Found" >nul
"%whyme%\bin\LOCATE" "%CHECK%" /F:1 /G | Find /i "No matches found" >nul
::::: SWAP BACK!!! :::::
SET LOCATE=%whyme%
SET whyme=
:::::::: TEMP CODE
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto DOFILC2
goto DIALOG3
Hope I did this message right; I'm new to this message board.
Haven't fully tested this beast yet, BUT since I have a LARGE background in mainframes and related scripting (".bat" files are similar to JCL) AND have forced myself to learn M$, I thought it prudent to dig into this. I am building several older PC's for kids/friends using 98SE and since I am lazy (and stumbled onto this) I thought I would try it out, letting you do the "heavy lifting".
Also, I noted that you had apparently originally (?) intended this to be used from a cd, did you know there are freeware versions of "FINDCD.EXE"? Google it... I THINK there is a legit project out there...
l8tr, dude! Back to testing...
submix8c
Mar 6 2007, 05:18 PM
Oh yeah, one more thing... "LOCATE", as used, finds the FIRST occurrence of the said "filename" and then does a "CD" (change directory) to the path where found.
Hope this doesn't glitch the process; shouldn't IF the 7-zip was installed/found in the default install folder...
soporific
Mar 6 2007, 10:17 PM
QUOTE (nathanson1947 @ Mar 7 2007, 05:08 AM)

I don't know if this has happened to anyone else, but when I check Windows Update, I now get a message saying that this site is only for computers running Windows, and that MacIntosh users should go to a different site. This occurs both on my computer (running Windows 98SE) and on a friend's (running Windows ME). Has Microsoft decided to disown both 98SE and ME and redirect their users to apple?
I get the same message --- it happens on a completely clean and fresh install of Win98se and also after its been patched. I only JUST included an option to go to Windows Update automatically from the menu options, and then they go and do this. Really makes you loyal to Microsoft doesn't it?
QUOTE (submix8c @ Mar 7 2007, 10:08 AM)

HEY!!! Soporific!
I found the problem with Optional Components / 3d Party Apps (specifically 7-zip). The problem was the LOCATE program used in routine "MainCode.bat".
Here is the code patch I used to (temporarily) "fix" the error (comments included):
CODE
:DOLOCA
:: use the LOCATE.COM method --- this finds a file anywhere on the system
:::::::: TEMP CODE
::: Guess what! The LOCATE.COM uses the "SET LOCATE=" variable to
::: utilize default options... (ref. LOCATE.TXT in the package)
:::
::: SO....
::: we temporarily swap the "LOCATE" variable into a temporary
::: variable for execution and then swap them back afterwards...
:::
::: OR change the variable named "LOCATE" to something else...
:::
::: (p.s.#1: LOCATE.TXT also states use a ":" (colon) for file count...)
::: (p.s.#2: ALSO the "not found" string was wrong...)
:::
::::: TEMP SWAP!!! :::::
SET whyme=%LOCATE%
SET LOCATE=
::: old and new instructions follow...
:: "%LOCATE%\bin\LOCATE" "%CHECK%" /F1 /G | Find /i "No Matches Found" >nul
"%whyme%\bin\LOCATE" "%CHECK%" /F:1 /G | Find /i "No matches found" >nul
::::: SWAP BACK!!! :::::
SET LOCATE=%whyme%
SET whyme=
:::::::: TEMP CODE
IF ERRORLEVEL 1 goto DOFILC2
goto DIALOG3
Hope I did this message right; I'm new to this message board.
Haven't fully tested this beast yet, BUT since I have a LARGE background in mainframes and related scripting (".bat" files are similar to JCL) AND have forced myself to learn M$, I thought it prudent to dig into this. I am building several older PC's for kids/friends using 98SE and since I am lazy (and stumbled onto this) I thought I would try it out, letting you do the "heavy lifting".
Also, I noted that you had apparently originally (?) intended this to be used from a cd, did you know there are freeware versions of "FINDCD.EXE"? Google it... I THINK there is a legit project out there...
l8tr, dude! Back to testing...
No, you did the message right, and thanks for finding the problem with LOCATE.COM --- It was driving me nuts. I can now redo that entire module - because LOCATE.COM wasn't working, it just put a stop to anything else I was going to put in there. I can now go back to where I was at about 2 months ago with my plans for that module.
THANKS AGAIN !!! And also for the post after the one I quoted.... the code probably looks a bit funny but that was because I was trying to overcome the LOCATE.COM problem --- so i will re-check it as i go.
soporific
Mar 7 2007, 06:58 AM
QUOTE (submix8c @ Mar 7 2007, 10:18 AM)

submix8c, welcome aboard !! I just reviewed the entire problem and your suggestions and comments and have realised you are going to be good for this project ... very good. I had better get a version of 1.95 uploaded quick smart because that's a little more robust than 1.80 with 1.92 tacked on. I'm on it ...
I just wish there was even ONE WORD of feedback on the layout of the navigation and the changes from v1.92 to v1.95 (the improved report function with all the time statistics and such) ---- come on guys don't keep me in suspense ... even if its just 'Its all good!' --- or 'what a mistake, please go back to the original letters' that's at least something ...
i have my feedback begging cup out in front of me and there's nothing yet inside it ....

)
Drugwash
Mar 7 2007, 09:14 AM
It's not enough that I'm in a deep depression and very p***ed off... this board had to throw me a 404 when I tried to post earlier.

So I'll keep it short: new keys are OK, more intuitive. Good change. Directory Services Update still appears in the list while it shouldn't. The report doesn't mention the package version that created it. Is it that hard to add "Created by Auto-Patcher x.xx"?
I wish you kept the debug choice code I added, at least for debug builds.
I atttach a text file containing both an old report (which version?) and the new 1.95 one.
Report:
Click to view attachment
soporific
Mar 7 2007, 10:07 AM
QUOTE (Drugwash @ Mar 8 2007, 02:14 AM)

It's not enough that I'm in a deep depression and very p***ed off... this board had to throw me a 404 when I tried to post earlier.

So I'll keep it short: new keys are OK, more intuitive. Good change. Directory Services Update still appears in the list while it shouldn't. The report doesn't mention the package version that created it. Is it that hard to add "Created by Auto-Patcher x.xx"?
I wish you kept the debug choice code I added, at least for debug builds.
I atttach a text file containing both an old report (which version?) and the new 1.95 one.
Report:
Click to view attachmentI will definitely add your code suggestions now ... its the least I can do for one of the people on my honour roll ... and i hope you feel better soon -- just remember, its not you, its the stinkin system.
submix8c
Mar 7 2007, 12:05 PM
Soporific: Good news (I think)
The problem to the "You must have a Mac" when going to WU web site APPEARS to be one of MS's making. MAYBE related to "ending support" and MS MAY be transitioning away from the V4 website, or at least away from many supported fixes. I stumbled across a KB article referencing WSUS services that indicates "dropping" many "fixes" from the search engine/.CAB file (an XML document).
SO...
Using clean install SAME THING!

Installed MSInstaller, then installed IE6SP1, then did the following (partial quotes from another source, then modified):
-------------------------------------------
For Windows 98 and Windows Millenium Edition.
Manually install the latest controls:
1) Download the controls from:
http://v4.windowsupdate.microsoft.com/cab/x86/ansi/iuctl.cab Save them to your desktop. Extract the .cab file following the steps below:
*) Go to the desktop and right click the iuctl.cab file.
*) Right-click "Extract to"
*) Point to a known location (like the desktop) and click "OK"
*) Go to the location you selected and right click on the iuctl.inf file.
*) Click "Install." (the two DLL's go to "WINDOWS\SYSTEM")
- OR just copy the two DLL's to folder... (faster) -
2) Download:
http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/v4/iuident.cab *) Create "Program Files\WindowsUpdate\V4\temp" folder(s)
*) Copy iuident.cab to BOTH "V4" and "V4\temp" folders
*) Go to "V4" folder and right-click "Extract to"
*) Point to the "V4" folder (i.e. "Here") and click "OK".
3) Try Again!!!
-------------------------------------------
Apparently, there is currently a glitch at WU that refuses you UNLESS you already have these files/folders, because I applied the above procedure to the TEST machine (ALL Autopatch applied, kinda) and it WORKED as WELL

.
How long this will work? Dunno...
NOW back to cross-checking the 6 updates WU THINKS(?) I need...
(p.s. Remember, LOCATE.COM is DOS-based and CANNOT find anything OTHER than "8.3" filenames...)
l8tr, dude...
fruityloops
Mar 7 2007, 12:12 PM
Auto-patcher for Windows 98SE 1.92 Update / 1.80 Preview :
OTHER DOWNLOADING LINK THAN SOFTPEDIA>COM
hey guys,i wanted to download the 234 MB file of Auto-patcher for Windows 98SE 1.92 Update / 1.80 Preview, but the download is not stable .After sometime the SOFTPEDIA server doesn't resume my download and dont even support it.Sincew i have 64 Kbps connection ,my downloading is slow so i want resume supported server link.So please i request u guys that if anyone having the complete file then please upload it on any free file-sharing and hosting site .
Please help me out guys .THANK U AND REPLY FAST.
fruityloops
Mar 7 2007, 12:12 PM
Auto-patcher for Windows 98SE 1.92 Update / 1.80 Preview :
OTHER DOWNLOADING LINK THAN SOFTPEDIA>COM
hey guys,i wanted to download the 234 MB file of Auto-patcher for Windows 98SE 1.92 Update / 1.80 Preview, but the download is not stable .After sometime the SOFTPEDIA server doesn't resume my download and dont even support it.Sincew i have 64 Kbps connection ,my downloading is slow so i want resume supported server link.So please i request u guys that if anyone having the complete file then please upload it on any free file-sharing and hosting site .
Please help me out guys .THANK U AND REPLY FAST.
fruityloops
Mar 7 2007, 12:19 PM
Auto-patcher for Windows 98SE 1.95 Update:
HELLO GUYS,I WANT TO BE ALPHA TESTER FOR AUTO PATCHER WINDOWS 98 SE 1.95,BUT GIVE ME THE FULL LINK TO DOWNLOAD IT PROPERLY,NOT THE SOFTPEDIA LINK. I AM GREAT TESTER, SO PLZ I WANT TO TEST IT.ALL THE REPORT AND BUGS WILL BE REPORTED HERE.
THANK U.
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