This current VMWare 98SE install is brand new so it only had AutoPatcher December SP2 and then (after uninstalling the IE Cum update so the older one would be able to install) the upgrade to Final.

Well, if it didn't happen with you with the Java 6, then I'd guess the Unofficial Scripting update is the cause. Is that an MDGx package? Maybe something in that needs some troubleshooting? Probably just one set of dll's or something.

In the meantime, I haven't gotten to installing Firefox yet but when I do I'll see if the same thing occurs. Then again, I'm not aware of how Firefox works technically and if it even uses Visual Basic scripting to work.

I did get 98SE2ME, 98MP10, EXPLOR98, and the q891711 update installed. All went well.

I reinstalled NUSB after 98SE2ME. That was a bit crashy (BSOD), but I recovered and restarted normally and it ended up well. The USB 2.0 printer works. Don't forget this is on VMWare, which advises to turn off EHCI in its options as 98SE doesn't have USB 2.0 drivers. Well, I always used the Via USB 2.0 driver on 98SE (worked on both my Via boards and on my SiS748 board) and now used NUSB here instead and it works fine.

I think q891711 patches explorer.exe so I figured I should wait until EXPLOR98 was installed before letting it patch the explorer.exe that is actually staying on the system. That's why I left the ani fix toggled off when using Auto-Patcher.

Heh. I still needed to delete the shelliconcache file and reboot to get the nice My Computer icon to actually appear after EXPLOR98.EXE was run and the system restarted. So actually that thing takes me 3 restarts to be done (I like to see the new shelliconcache file appear before I delete the original file that I just move to My Documents. One time Windows never created a new one! I had to copy back the original, but the new My Computer stayed. This time it did recreate it after the next restart).

I noticed I, as usual with Sun Java, needed to uninstall the previously installed Java 5 after 6 was installed. They never remove the older one and usually I download the whole installation file and uninstall the older one first. Being lazy I just let AutoPatcher update it and then uninstalled Java 5 afterwards. Guess some folks like keeping several Java versions around so they don't uninstall when they update. For me, the older ones are just crap lying around the system. Makes QuickTime tough, if that's been installed, as its QuickTime for Java installs into the current Java directory. Gotta uninstall QuickTime, then Java, remove the Autoexec.bat lines referencing QuickTime Java, then install the new Java, then reinstall QuickTime. Stupid software designers!

That's naughty that is!

I'm happy to discuss RC2 and Final related issues with anyone who has installed RC2 or Final. RC1 people can talk to the hand.

VBupdates is doing great...RP7 has issues with SCR579x,...(and scr569x when you use the webview in pictures folders!!!..ALL IS BETTER IF ADD just the pictures TO NEW FOLDER ,then...DELETE OLD TAINTED PICTURE FOLDER ,......THEN RENAME new folder AGAIN TO My Pictures....then all is well...IF...AND ONLY IF...windows explorer 5.50.4134.100+ is present in both thee start c:drive area and windows files area or crash upon crash occurs...;then reinstall wisps into the 98se system....thydreamwalker <Proud 98se Survivor... so far happilylimping backto reality>P.S.:Wondering if adding new updated connection wizard(/or network connect system for just win98se and older systems) <as my computer still communicates by usin'smoke signals to cross thee internet>for wired and wireless systems could be great idea as drivers generic or brand name are hard to acquire now days ...thx for APrc2

Does one of the new updates change the way Internet Explorer reacts to Visual Scripting? Because I now have a weird situation where on almost any web page I get a box saying IE needs to download Visual Scripting support, and that it is available on my hard drive. I click to have it go ahead, and I notice the remainder of the web page is loaded, usually some picture boxes. If I browse to another page the situation repeats, I get the prompt to install Visual Scripting, give it the go ahead, and the page loads properly. It only takes a second or so but I would think that once it does this once it should stay installed, no?

I had this Problem too after AP DEZ.Final , so i decided to install Patch 942615 and the looped hhupd ,tools9x,ttfpack,servic9x,2to4 digit manually and now its gone dont no why?????
i have Java 1.6.04 installed!

Hmm, KB942615 was replaced by the previous version 939653 as the Internet Explorer Cumulative update in the final because the newer one interfered with 98SE2ME Option 3 and Revolution Pack.

I uninstalled 942615 before running the Final so it would install the older one.

The other stuff in your list doesn't look like they have anything to do with Visual Basic Scripting.

BUT, I had the problem with 942615 installed too. So I have no idea why the problem disappeared when you installed that.

The problem also doesn't relate to the Web Folders update in the manual installs folder as it existed before I installed the Web Folders update and after. I installed it before installing 98SE2ME.

Gotta be something in the Visual Basic Scripting unofficial 5.6 update, I'd think, since this always wants to install Visual Basic Scripting support. Looks kind of like a security thing. Like, it will only use it on an Install On Demand basis. Seems to ask for the install, then install it really quick, and then the advertisements on the webpage appear. That, or the Unofficial Visual Basic 6 thing in the Visual Basic module. Just looking at some of the newer updates for the likely suspect.

Another way Microsoft can make browsing in older versions of Internet Explorer annoying? Maybe this only works transparently on XP/Vista versions? So perhaps we beat some security risk, but 98 has no way of making it less annoying like IE 7 would? Guess away!

Be nice to get rid of it somehow by figuring out which part of the update causes it if possible.

Soporific please put as alternative download torrent files, it will be fantastic.

Okay, first off: I'm a naughty boy! Wack! Wack! Wack!
Second is that I have installed Dec 2007 Final.

The Twain98 loop is gone. Probably because the timestamp has been changed on the four files which caused them to install...


The SYSTEM.ini tweaks menu does not give me any more errors.
Since I had the problem with the current settings being wrongly detected, I can no longer fault this...
However, it is still using a way to high MaxFileCache for over 1GB RAM...
I'm still running kb942615 with BROWSEUI.DLL from kb939653 with no problems.
This could be the variable for the problem below that I do not experience even with Final installed.



Okay folks, the post RC1 AP contains one updated file in the SCR569X update.
JSCRIPT.DLL has changed from 5.6.0.8832 to 5.6.0.8834.
BTW, JSCRIPT.DLL plus the four changed Twain files are the only ones that installed for me since RC1.

Well, everything works for me but see note above regarding IE update.

Once last thing. Something I should have mentioned ages ago.
I am using MFC42.DLL 6.2.4131.0 (in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM).
The version that comes with V_Studio unofficial update is 6.0.9782.0...
I've had the newer version installed for a long time and never had any problems.
I don't even know where it came from. I suspect it was from a Microsoft Platform SDK install.

Has anyone ever heard of MFC42.DLL version 6.2.4131.0?

Actually my kb942615 variable might have some merit... Just need to release a version with the older BROWSEUI.DLL from kb939653...

Ah! Well the problem is somewhere in there. The BROWSUI.DLL and/or the JSCRIPT.DLL, eh?

I had uninstalled the latest IECum and let Auto-Patcher do its magic with the December Final, installing the older one. I assume it also updated to the latest unofficial jscript update.

From your post it looks like you managed to keep the older BROWSUI.DLL and all the rest of the newer stuff works for you without this error. But I probably have the older BROWSUI.DLL since I have the older IECum update, right?

So I'm wondering how come I'm getting the error.

I see what you're saying but can't figure out what I might need to do to actually get it working. Rerun the Scripting update by itself and see if it resets things to properly use the older BROWSUI.DLL that is now on the system? It is possible that it got installed while the newer IECum was installed, as I installed the SP2 while the newer one was installed and it skipped installing the older IECum, saying a newer version was detected as being already installed. Then before updating to the Final I uninstalled the newer IECum.

So maybe since the Scripting update did not reinstall when I ran the final, having already been installed with SP2, I only need to reinstall that one update (Scripting). It'll see which BROWSUI.DLL to use and register the stuff correctly.

Hmm. I think I'll try that. Gotta figure out which file in the Auto-Patcher files folder is the Scripting update. I've got the modules list printed out. Maybe that'll help me figure out what KB number it is, or hopefully it's just labeled SCR5.6 or something.

One may use Syslog to track down system file changes.

The problem is in Module "windows optional componets-page 2" called - Scripting Engine Update 5.6.8832 -- in folder file name is SCR569X.exe
Now, how do you uninstall this unofficial update?
Charlie

Actually what I'm going to do is double click it and reinstall it. Since it installed while the newer IE Cum update was installed with the newer problem BROWSUI.DLL, and did not reinstall automatically when I uninstalled the IE Cum and re-ran Auto-Patcher, it might get fixed up by simply reinstalling it now that the older IE Cum's BROWSUI.DLL is in place. As has been stated, it appears to be the newer BROWSUI.DLL that causes problems. But perhaps the Visual Basic Scripting needs to register properly with whichever BROWSUI.DLL is on the system. Just my guess. I'm going to try it.

If you want to remove the SCR569X.EXE I'd think just installing the older Windows Scripting 5.6 update would overwrite the files with its version. mdgx.com likely has both the official version as well as the unofficial version to download. But I'd rather see if the new one can work if it is just reinstalled. It's working for others without this problem.

Hi Eck,
Check your version of BROWSEUI.DLL.
Mine (the good one) is 6.0.2800.1914. If you have 6.0.2800.1915, then it did not get back-dated when you removed the IE cumulative update.

Microsoft has just released IE6 SP1 Cumulative Update kb944533. See http://support.microsoft.com/kb/944533/en-us
It releases with BROWSEUI.DLL version 6.0.2800.1916.
It has fixes for JSCRIPT.DLL related problems as well.
So, when the person who is compiling the unofficial IE CU releases it, I'll see whether the newer files all work okay...

Rock on updaters!

I found another problem after installed AP
in IE EXP. when i go to the Site Yahoo.de / Games --- take a Game to play
the Java Applet wont load i tested other Gamingsites and no Problem
I reinstalled Flashplayer +Shockwaveplayer and does no affect always the same
Firefox 2.0.11 loads without problems
so i tested it on Win ME with IE 6 SP1 and Patches like AP and it works there.
I had this problem before with AP Sept. and now with AP Dez full also . ?????

must add on Win ME machine is no Java 1.5 or 1.6 installed maybe this is the problem

Thanks RetroOS!

I wonder if WinRAR extracts those Cumulative updates. I'll install it and try, if the bad BROWSEUI.DLL (1915) is on the system.

Gotta boot out of Debian and into Vista to open VMWare and check out this stuff! Which means dealing with all the updates and scanning to get Security Center to shut up. I kind of have no idea why I keep installing Vista and having it annoy the h e c k out of me. I also install the Audigy 2 ZS when I do that. Now, the SBLive 5.1 Platinum is actually better for 9x (vxd's with ms-dos in Windows and in dos and it works on this motherboard) and better for Linux (all mixer buttons work, speaker mute available when using headphones, etc. Sounds just as good. Audigy 2 ZS is just adapted drivers from EMU10K1 as Creative didn't release the source for EMU10K2).

So changing back to SBLive and just 98SE and Linux requires a bunch of work, switching breakout boxes, reinstalling all, etc. Pain in the neck. But I think it's coming. Vista runs like XP did when I was an early adopter using older hardware. Not so great on this old motherboard. So I hate using it.

Sigh. I'll get on Vista now and see what I can do about BROWSEUI.DLL to fix this. Might as well tinker a bit.

Hmm, well I have BROWSEUI.DLL 6.0.2800.1914, the older, good one.

So I reinstalled the Unofficial Scripting update. Same effect.

The post by charly may be correct. I'll try reinstalling the older scripting 5.6 official scripting update and see what effect that has.


Edit -

Well, I didn't see the older one lazily attainable within the Auto-Patcher folders and really would prefer to keep the newer files. No idea whether the browser I'll actually use once installed, Firefox, will have this same problem.

So I'll await the next Unofficial Internet Explorer Cumulative update and see what happens with that. I could copy over the older Scripting 5.6 update from an old cdr, but the problem really isn't THAT annoying. Maybe the newer update is better security wise.

ECK,

Try this--
http://www.macropool.com/en/download/scripting.html

Charlie

I tried the older official 5.6 to no effect, so I reinstalled the newer unofficial one.

Then I tried installing the 942615 unofficial IE cum (I uninstalled the older one first) since someone had said it had worked with the newer one. I followed the directions that came up to create the reg file that tells that it has been installed, then installed it.

I got the newer BROWSEUI.DLL. No problem booting, I guess because when I use 98SE2ME I do not use Option 3 or the Revolution Pack stuff.

Same problem. Oh well, I guess it'll await some fix for this to be discovered.

See, this is why I've stayed away from Windows in general and even 9x in particular. It's really easy to have broken things happen and difficult to get fixed.

I also discovered that often after Flash items display, Internet Explorer will crash when exiting, and even sometimes forcing a close and restart with a popup. I did need to reinstall Flash from Adobe since the newer one from Auto-Patcher was replaced with an older version by my Microsoft software (Works, Encarta, etc) installations. It installed fine, I rebooted, but the stuff still crashes on that Adobe test site.

Crash, crash, crash. Seems like old times! Why again do I like Windows?

so is it , since newer java 1.5 and newer + misc. patches from AP i had this problems
before i installed win98 with gapes unoffical pack and the rest (Direct X 9+Patches ,Mediaplayer + Patches +98mp10,IE 6 ,MDDACU ,MDCIE6CU ) with java 1.4.2 and after that i load Flashplayer ,Shockwaveplayer thru the net it works fine but
needs more time for installing all this crap

I should clarify that I only have Flash Player installed and not Shockwave Player...
Another possible variable?

barbarien,

Just think. There were times I installed Windows 98SE and updated it by going from bottom to top of the mdgx.com printed lists for 98SE fixes and updates, IE fixes and updates, Direct X fixes and updates, and Windows Media fixes and updates, and then all the add-ons. I had downloaded each update to its own folder with a descriptive name so I knew what each one was. Complaining about installing a few packs?

You know what? I found that using a favorite Unofficial Service Pack (Gape, Maximus-Decim, soporific, pick your favorite) got me about the same results as doing all that manually. Just less time consuming, tedious, and confusing if using a compilation pack than doing it myself.

Things have the same chance of either lucking out with a stable system or being messed up no matter which way is chosen. I now pick the easiest way, which is now the Auto-Patcher with the Explorer, 98SE2ME stuff toggled off, then the manual installs folder stuff, then the Office install, then 98SE2ME, then NUSB, then EXPLOR98, then q891711. I guess? Driver hardware installs somewhere mixed in where appropriate, but this VMWare install didn't make me guess when to do that this time. I guess on real hardware I'd do the motherboard chipset drivers first thing. Don't need those on a fake OS.

RetroOS,

Shockwave is there from the start on 98SE, just an ancient version. I figure my installing of that WorksSuite software is going to put a newer older version on anyway so I might as well update to the latest. In the past I've cleaned house once all my software installed every various version into the poor, helpless Macromed folder. Maybe I'll try that. I uninstall everything related in add/remove, run the downloaded Flash uninstaller (the Shockwave one is the same as add/remove so that one is just a waste), go into add/remove and Windows setup tab removing the Shockwave Flash stuff from there, reboot, delete the contents of Windows/System/Macromed, install Flash from the web, Flash again from a downloaded installer for Firefox, and Shockwave from a downloaded Shockwave Full installer for Firefox and Internet Explorer. But I have to wait until I get Firefox installed before that cleaning house process. Until then I leave things as muddied as my software installs make them, occasionally going to the Adobe site to have it reinstall the latest if I notice that Flash 7.14 is messing up something. Any software that installs Shockwave 8 replaces the latest Flash with 7.14. See why I clean house? Otherwise old useless folders and files that confuse programs remain in that folder.

The last message I got on the Adobe Flash installer website was that I needed to install both the latest Flash AND Visual Scripting to view this site correctly. It only installed Flash I think, but I do think Scripting is the culprit for the crashes and perhaps the new Flash when Internet Explorer tries to close its playing. I don't think it is Shockwave related.

Things are just a bit borked right now with the Scripting update. The latest Unofficial one says it installs vbscript .8834 but .8832 remains there regardless. Something isn't installing right.

Office stuff also interferes. When I had the 98SE guest on Linux in Virtualbox, I didn't install the Microsoft Office or WorksSuite stuff, only OpenOffice.org, and did not have these problems. I just like the Works templates that work on Word, the maps of Streets and Trips, and Encarta. And that Digital Image Suite Anniversary Edition is nice on 98SE too. I figure if I'm going to use Windows I should be able to install stuff I've bought and enjoy using on it. Sure wish Windows files weren't do darned sensitive. One little mis-match and stuff can break.

I'm going to wipe Vista and install 98SE. Just gotta get in the mood for switching soundcards and for a long process. I want Direct 3D on 98SE, as well as real Dos with Vesa SVGA for the games. Virtualization just teases me.

i installed befor AP Sept. with scr569x with no scripting bug
so with AP Dez.. Final came this s*** i ,uups into AP tested befor AP Dez. RC1 and no Scripting Problems
so something must be new between AP Dez. RC1 and AP Dez. Final

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
December 2007 RC3 (never released)
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
rolled back the Unofficial Cumulative Update for Internet Explorer 6 sp1 to the previous one (replaced kb942615 with kb939653)
updated: Sun Java 2 Runtime Environment 6 update 4
added: Windows 2000 style theme to schemes list
fixed: small bug with Unofficial Microsoft Scripting Engines v5.6, the wrong file version check value was being used

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
December 2007 RC2
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

fixed: bug where you couldn't choose the ScanFrag Update
changed: moved the Twain98 title to the Recommended system updates module and made it optional
fixed: bug in Twain98 where if you uninstalled it, you uninstalled the entire support for Twain scanners which was not intended.
added: new feature that counts the number of titles set to install
added: new file for SCR569X (Unofficial Microsoft Scripting Engines v5.6)fixed: some documentation errors

other Problems that i have is with the damd Flash and Shockwaveplayers
when closing sites ---crash IE other Sites dont Load Applets
and this Problem i have since AP Sept. - i think i run AP without loading IE 6 +Patches ,scr569x
and install this by Hand(IE 6SP1 +Mdie6cu +older Version of Scripting KB 917344 ) the rest looks good
i will test this today -- reinstall brand new

Hi Eck,
I deselected Shockwave and Flash at Windows Install time, and then installed current Flash after - so I've never had Shockwave installed or the old Flash files.

Now, to fix these Flash crashes, do these steps:

1. Download the Flash Player Uninstaller from here: http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flashpl...lash_player.exe
2. Download the Shockwave Player Uninstaller from here: http://fpdownload.macromedia.com/get/shock...uninstaller.exe
3. Run the Flash Player Uninstaller followed by the Shockwave Player Uninstaller
4. Reboot
5. Delete the MACROMED folder in C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM (or whatever your Windows system folder is)
6. Install current Shockwave Player ActiveX (and Netscape plugin if using Firefox)
7. Install current Flash Player ActiveX (and Netscape plugin if using Firefox)
8. Reboot
9.

Flash Player 9.x install now cleans up the previous version flash files left behind.

Too late!

I wiped out Vista and installed 98SE to the hard drive. I left the Audigy 2 ZS Platinum in there, had Debian on the second hard drive with Grub in its partition instead of the MBR and so made it real easy for BootMagic to take over from the Vista Bootloader I was using. I had removed the fstab mounting line beforehand, and now just added it back with the 98SE mounting lines and all is perfect!

What isn't perfect is I have the gotta install Visual Basic Scripting support in Internet Explorer on most websites after running the Auto-Patcher. Ah well, here's hoping a new Scripting 5.6 Unofficial update gets out with this fixed. I think it's got to be in that thing.

I think Creative software added Shockwave 7.14 into the mix, so now I have the really old 98SE Flash and the less old but still ancient 7.14 Shockwave. No matter. I'll take care of that after I get my software installed. I toggled those off, as well as Sun Java, in the Auto-Patcher so I could install them myself later. I have the uninstallers on a cdr that'll get loaded when I go through my copying from cdr hours soon. Got the full latest version installers too.

Next thing is WorksSuite, OfficeXP, and 98SE2ME, 98MP10, and NUSB. But I'll be hanging out in Linux in the morning first to get Debian Lenny's daily upgrades and stuff.

The NVidia official last 98SE driver still makes me shutdown by hitting Restart and when Windows exits, holding the power button on the box. Shutdown is borked by something in its background stuff. I tried putting a semi-colon in front of all their stuff in the Run and Run Services but something besides those things causes the monitor to lose itself on shutdown (but not on restart, weird). So I put back all the NVidia stuff. Might as well have the fancy tools since it doesn't make a difference.

I tried an older Via Hyperion 4-in-1 4.56v on my machine. The newer ones had given me some troubles the last time. This nicely installed all those IRQ Routing things that the newer ones just don't have included. I haven't checked System Information yet but I hope I get less registry errors reported in ACPI IRQ Holder for PCI IRQ Steering devices. No errors in Device Manager and all the hardware and drivers work so we'll see. NVidia shows AGP 8X, which was a problem with the newer Hyperion Pro's too (showing 0X). I always needed to install the Windows 95 VXD folder's AGP vxd driver to get full AGP speed with the newer driver packages. Still, I haven't run DxDiag yet so I'll see if the AGP Textures are active. If not, I'll start extracting the 4-in-1 package and get those vxd's installed. That Via AGPGART.sys never cut it for me in the past, but maybe I've gone back far enough before they crippled 9x AGP, setting them to PCI Bus speeds for "stability" reasons. I can't go too far back since it's a KT880 and the real older ones (fondly remembers 4.38) just don't work with the chipset properly.

I could install the Via USB 2.0 drivers since they always worked for me, but I suppose NUSB offers more so I'll go with those. I think they're really just the Via USB PLUS according to a thread I saw comparing them. I'm waiting to get 98SE2ME on here before installing my USB devices and the drivers for it.

I just hope the installation all gets done smoothly. I've had better success recently doing it in VMWare than on my actual hard drive, so we'll see how it goes. I've got internet and ZoneAlarm is doing its job. Windows Media Player starts. The Creative stuff opens and works even after updating all of it. Cthelper did its usual crash once, but that's actually normal. Pretty good so far.

i tested this with the flash and shockwaveplayers

i tested 10.2.22 /23 and newest 10.3.024 all crashed ie 6 on this sites

http://www.explorelearning.com/index.cfm?m...d=cCorp.dspTest
http://www.chemgapedia.de/vsengine/info/de...ents/flash.html

so i deleted all of that crap and install

10.1.4.20 (download http://filehippo.com/download/e8bb6156e34b...b7/downloadhere )
and i works good so i think this is the latest tested with win 98
newer versions are buggy with win 98 / ie 6

the flashplayer 9.0.115 sems to be ok must more testing

i intall win 98 new +drivers +AP Full Dez. (without IE 6 and Java and the buggy scr569x) +IE 6 +Mdie6cu 1.7
so i have no scripting problems any more and i runs not bad

Thanks for the status report, barbarien. I've downloaded that Shockwave and perhaps will try it. Java I will install, as I've heard the latest does work fine on 98SE. And since I've already got the buggy scripting updates, hopefully someone will come up with a way to work around the problem or new versions to fix it.

I'll keep checking that other sticky with all the latest updates in hopes that something will show up dealing with the scripting bug.

Can someone please point me at the id***'s guide for selecting which items are installed and which are not?

I tried the December 07 release on a couple of machines that are not mission critical, and had very well behaved responses from them. So I applied it to my main machine, and it didn't like a couple of things, in particular it didn't like the Maximus Decim USB stack. This is no criticism of Soporific for the excellent package that he has put together, just that my machine doesn't like it. Oh well, there is no accounting for this PC's taste!

What I now need to ensure is that the same packages are not re-installed on the next update. Which is the file to edit, and what is the syntax, please?

Many thanks,

Jeff

I tested another Site that wont load the Applets before

http://de.midas.games.yahoo.net/list_game....mp;game=bowling

and now with older Shockwave 10.1.4.20 it runs like a charme the newer versions are definitivly buggy for Win 98
one Problem is when i booting up an Applet tells me a newer Version of Shockwave is available must figure out how to disable that.

I found that
Shockwave player updated to 10.1.4.20


HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Macromedia\Shockwave 10\AutoUpdate

change the value default from "y" to "n"

For Version History see there

http://kb.adobe.com/selfservice/viewConten...0&sliceId=1

so the only thing that i now found in AP is the scripting bug from Scr569x the official 917344 works good so what does this unoffical update ? is it necessary ? i think no !!!!! problem is you cant select this seperatly in AP Installroutine must disable the hole Optional Windows Components module this a very bad thing
and the Updates Service 9x , Tools9x , TTFpack ,2 to 4 Digit Tool ,HHupd looped i tested this twice but i installed this by Hand with no Problems so the Installroutine is buggy for me in AP Dez. Full
other little buggy Tool in AP is Infrarecorder see there http://infrarecorder.sourceforge.net/?p=33#comments
i suggest to replaced this with Deep Burner free 1.8.224 or wait for some upgrades
i prefer the old version of Nero 5.5.10.56 for Win 98 Se i had Problems with newer 6.xxx Versions

he soporific why you not use SCR579X from mdgx ???????

jscript .dll 5.7.0.165.35 download here http://www.mdgx.com/files/SCR579X.EXE

people with scripting bugs can load this to test it out whats happend to the scripting error
maybe also this version is buggy but must tested out i installed it and until now i have no errors
discussion see there
http://www.msfn.org/board/Unofficial-MSE-5...ns-t107788.html

Halleluyah! SCR579X.EXE works! No more requests to download scripting that's available locally. Everything just loads!

Thanks barbarien, but of course especially MDGx for fixing whatever it was that was wrong with that at first. I have no idea if anything's broken, but so far nothing is apparently broken and that bug is gone.

Next comes 98SE2ME, 98MP10, NUSB.

I'll try the latest Shockwave then. Maybe with Scripting fixed the new one will work. If not, we know how to uninstall it and go back to the older ones so I'll give it a shot. Assuming I survive these next things first.

Soporific, it looks like websites do need the newer files (or really old ones perhaps) for the Scripting. Perhaps the next version of Auto-Patcher can include SCR579X.EXE? That, or the official Scripting 5.6 since that unofficial 5.6 seems to not work too well.

re: SCR579X.EXE -- I'll go one further than than just including it in the new release, i'm releasing the January version of AP as soon as possible. If you have suggestions for it, please say something soon.

Hi Soporific, I have just tried to use the new December 2007 full release of AP, but unfortunately I'm getting the same problem as I had with the previous version. I did manage to use the one before that successfully, but the last two versions won't run!
When I run them the DOS box comes up and then immediately closes down.

If I run the debug batch file, it runs OK until I press "any key to continue" and the same thing happens, it just closes!
No error messages, nothing...........
I have tried increasing my environment in config.sys manually from 768 to 4096, and even to 8192, but this makes absolutely no difference.
It still won't run if I close down all other running programs.

It will however run in Safe Mode, at least the DOS box stays open and will respond to commands, but I haven't tried actually using AP in Safe Mode.
Is this OK to do?
I would have thought that there would be things that it cannot do properly in Safe Mode, like system analysis.

Any idea why it won't run in the first place?
I did get the version before last to work OK, and I haven't changed any settings to my knowledge, so why would later ones now not work?
Unless AP changed something itself of course which is preventing it from running again!
Thanks, Dave.

Dave-H,

if you installed Revolutions Pack 7.11 AND the AP environment space fix, you will find AP doesn't load. The problem is due to the SHELL command in CONFIG.SYS -- click START then RUN and type in SYSEDIT in the run dialog box and hit enter. Your system files will come up -- in CONFIG.SYS find this line:

SHELL=COMMAND.COM /E:4096 /P

and delete it. If you subsequently find that you needed the fix in order for AP to work properly then we will need to make a special AUTOEXEC.BAT file for you to use. Let me know if this is the case.

Sop.

Heh heh. Caught me speechless. Seems that this one worked great except for that Scripting problem and maybe Shockwave crashing if its latest version isn't prepped for 98SE enough or at all.

Only shot for it seems to be if the newer 5.7 scripting somehow makes Shockwave sites work properly with the latest Shockwave. I still have to try that out.

It was easy getting it to crash just going to the Adobe Shockwave support site and their test players page. The thing crashed Internet Explorer every time, either after the page loaded, when leaving the page, or when closing Internet Explorer.

That 48LBA thing was great. I installed with 120GB and after Auto-Patcher installed Partition Magic and expanded to just 40GB short of my 250GB drive (about 190GB or so). Partition Magic insists on keeping about 15% free space on larger drives for some reason.

I'm bidding on a SystemWorks 2003 because someone posted that Norton Utilities 2002, which I have, only has the dos version 48bit LBA compatible but not the Windows DiskDoctor and its defrager (name escapes me at the moment). I don't think the Windows Me versions in ScanFrag/98SE2ME are so I'm holding off on using anything for now. I bid a max of $15, which would be great but now there's another bidder.

That environment fix is a necessity for me. I tried it without it and got the out of space problem. I delete the lines when done since I use 98SE2ME and you gave that warning.

And NUSB worked fine. It actually calls itself by the Via device name for it and names my 8237 southbridge. I guess it really is Via USB 2.0 PLUS. It had installed a Microsoft Enhanced one in VMWare, but it knew I had Via on the real motherboard here and installed it specifically. Awesome.

It a super time saver. Can't help an update having problems every so often. Wish I could think of more to suggest. I thought of Windows Media Player 7 Bonus Pack Full, but that needs user interaction and has to go on before the MDGx 98MP10 so even the manual installs folder is no good for it. Since this is a real install I installed that so I could have the fancy visualizations and skins. It's got a converter, but I think that goes one way from mp3 to Windows Media so that's kind of useless. If anything most would want the opposite.

Next is copying all my stuff. That's why I'm in Linux now. I don't look forward to hours and hours of copying. I gave up the ship until tomorrow.

re: SCR579X.EXE -- I'll go one further than than just including it in the new release, i'm releasing the January version of AP as soon as possible. If you have suggestions for it, please say something soon.
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i found when i open 2-3 windows in IE oftens i lost connection , so i must restart the router to reconnect i dont no was it is
but in Firefox with tabbed browsing is it not , now new IE Patch 944xxx came along will see whats happend
replace SCR569X with SCR579x or Fix the Bug
better Installroutine for Service 9x ,Tools 9x ,TTFpack, 2 to 4 Digit Tooll ,HHUPD ,
add Shockwave 10.1.4.20 replace 10.3.024 or give options to choose (Older Version runs really stable)
Flashplayer 9.0.115 looks Stable
add MDCUPL for better ICONS looks really nice
posibilitys ----Big Open Box Patch ,

replace Infrarecorder is a buggy Thing or wait for upgrads--other Freeware Options Deep Burner free, Burn4Free 3.4.0.0 , Easy Burning 1.88 , Express Burn CD Burner 1.05 or this russian tool SmallCDWriter
give Options to choose IE 6 Components + Patches , to the whole Optional Windows Components module
add Netframework 2.0 + Patch
for me is still not clear the ADV IE REG when choose Settings in IE i only found the Connections entry set in the Registry
the other Options are nor there so is it set or not (RcvWindow,SackOpts,DefaultTTL) ??????
I make my own Internet Regfile to add these tweaks to the Reg.
and the Mediaplayer --- i cant see is your version this from mdgx unoffical release or the normal ?
interesting is to add a codec pack for ,divx,real,quicktime medias
and good Idee was to add a freeware Zipper like TUGZip because opens all cd image files !!!!!
add a Taskkiller Coolkill or something ,shellexview (shell extension)
newer Versions are available for Print Key 5.10 ,AnVir Taskmanager 4.9.5

are the Files from MDDACU in AP im not sure ??
what is pchio98.exe , 250867 v2,q313829 from mdcu 2.50 ?? is not in AP

barbarien,

Too much stuff, bloat is a major thing to avoid. Free stuff like most of what you mentioned are freely available for those who want them and are not Windows updates, fixes, patches.

Absolutely no codec packs please. Best way to destroy the Windows multimedia framework requiring a reinstall. But then, I've never tried one with the exception of FFDSHOW and I turned most of that off only keeping the odd codecs the major players don't install. I haven't even used that for quite some time.

The Maximus Decim Windows Me look and feel stuff is installable separately for those who want it, again not an update. There's still a Windows Me theme at the usual theme websites. I install that sometimes, don't apply it always, but do steal the icons from it if I want a different look. Applying it reminds me too much of Windows Me (go figure). But yeah, the icons are nice and if applied the Explorer backgrounds and html information panes have the Windows Me look.

Uberskin and the future of Revolution Pack looks interesting. But really there's no need to have either in Auto-Patcher. It's already there (the older Revo Pack) and it's nice to have it in the manual installs so there's no need to not include it, but adding eye-candy programs that folks can just come here and get that aren't really system updates is just going to make this thing too big.

Most don't want DotNET 2.0 except for specific purposes. The install and reboot for it and its updates take forever. It used to be in Auto-Patcher and was taken out, probably for those reasons.

Windows Media Player legacy is an install of 7.1. The WMP9 is the official one with the addition of the WMP Codec Package for 9x that was a Microsoft update. It gives 9x the missing codecs that came out after the last WMP9 98SE edition, stuff from WMP 9 and 10 on XP. No, it is not the cumulative unofficial version or the 98MP10. But Auto-Patcher does offer 98MP10 in a separate module. I install the downloaded version myself instead because what I add in between has to be done before 98MP10. What's nice about 98MP10 is it also includes a bunch of Internet Explorer updated files from the Windows XP version. It used to be two separate packages for the Internet Explorer XP stuff and the WMP 10 stuff but now they're combined. I prefer that to the WMP only and non-Microsoft things that are in the unofficial cumulative WMP 9 package. You can't use both either. It'll break!

DeepBurnerPro is cool. Don't know about the trial version though. I bought and used it for a while, but I've gone back to using the last Nero 7 Ultra Edition available for 98SE. I bought the thing and it works for me. I had gone for DeepBurnerPro back when Nero was too buggy (and I was having 98SE problems in general at that time), but that last version was pretty good and offers tons of features.

I've found that a combination of QuickTime 2.1.2.59, QuickTime 6.5.2, latest RealPlayer 10, Windows Media Player from 98MP10, Nero 7 Ultra, PowerDVD 6 Deluxe, Flash, Shockwave, Java, Adobe Reader, DejaVu (Lizardtech for a few cd's of comics I have) and DivX 5.2.1 get just about everything to play. Sometimes stuff like FFDSHOW and/or MediaPlayerClassic fills in the blanks and there are some things that just won't play without XP/Vista and newer versions of the players. But even though I install them, since that's just my choice and not a Windows Update I'd rather do it myself than have it in Auto-Patcher.

My philosophy has been I like proprietary official stuff, even if I need to buy it, on Windows, and free software and open source project stuff on Linux. They're different worlds and I think things you can buy for Windows work better on Windows than the 3rd party free stuff, and the reverse is the case on Linux. Probably because you just have upstream that is either a company or a few guys working on free stuff on Windows whereas often the same projects have hundreds of folks doing bug reports and distro maintainers fixing and patching them on Linux so of course the final result is a better piece of software. Less people use them on Windows so even though it's free software, the quality and compatibility of the software with the rest of the operating system is not as high as on a Linux distribution.

Point? I'd rather not have a lot of stuff like that cluttering up Auto-Patcher.

Hi, Eck!


I had the same results with Shockwave 10.3.0.24. It is not good for Win 9x+IE6. But Shockwave 10.2.0.22 works fine on my system. However, I cannot find where I saved a copy of its full installer. I'd appreciate very much if someone were able to upload it somewhere and post a link to it.


That someone happens to be me. I guess my reply elsewhere was more categoric than it should have been. What I meant was that Norton Utilities 2001 is not compatible with 48bit LBA. And that I know for sure that System Works 2003 is compatible, and that NDD for DOS 2002 is compatible as well. I don't know for a fact that the windows applications in Norton Utilities 2002 are not compatible with 48bit LBA, because I don't have Norton Utilities 2002. Sorry if my message was misleading. Please do some testing, because it may be compatible after all.
I know first hand about NU 2000 (which is not compatible with 48bit LBA) and about the NU and Ghost in System Works 2003, which are compatible. And about NDD for DOS 2002 because it is the one that comes with System Works 2003 (2002 is the last version for the Norton DOS utilities). I've also read about NU 2001 not being compatible on various places, but I've never read anything about NU 2002. If you have it, please do test it and tell us your results.
Good luck!

Heh heh, great, I blindly took your word for it and committed to a bid. I just found that SystemWorks 2005 was the last 98SE compatible version. I bought it pretty reasonably from Amazon a few minutes ago. Oh well, at the least I'll have a newer WinDoctor.

I sure hope that other guy who's bidding wins. I won't need 2003 with a brand new retail box of 2005 coming. It doesn't look good with it only being 5 bucks right now and I'm still winning. But maybe that other guy will want to spend more than $15 on it and I'll be saved.

You know, I used my Utilities 2002 on a 250GB SATA drive, a single FAT32 Windows 98SE with no noticeable problems a couple of years ago. Your's was the first comment that made me doubt it was really 48bit LBA compatible.

The only problem was perhaps that it did keep coming up with a lot of errors, much more so than Windows Scandisk would ever report. And there seemed to be conflicts between what the bad shutdown dos Norton DiskDoctor would report and what the Windows version would.

I could go a year without a single error, except maybe the first run, using Windows Scandisk. Norton made me nervous. Then again, perhaps it was something to do with the huge Sata drive and my running Scandisk on only smaller, 20-120GB drives through the years.

Well, I'll have some pretty boxes and cd's anyway.

I kind of think Norton Utilities was supposed to be fully 48bit LBA compatible, and have conjectured about it on old threads. But I don't believe Symantec ever officially made any comment about it.

All I know is it appeared to work and Windows kept working even after defrags with it. I just didn't want to take any chances. I'll just only install the Utilities portion of SystemWorks 2006 when it comes. I was peeved when they stopped the stand alone Utilities. I was a McAfee user, and now use Avast in 98SE. And GoBack? I had my fill of that chugga, chugga stuff back when I had the full versions of that. I do too many weird partition combinations now to try trusting that thing not to break my hard drive.

The versions of Shockwave on the Filehippo site are the full versions, with Google Toolbar. A link to "Slim" versions would be great. Meanwhile I have 10.2.0.23 Slim (2.7 MB, dated 23.08.07). Let me know if you'd like me to upload it anywhere.

go there http://oldapps.com/shockwave.php
very usefull Site for Win 98 users

Actually the full versions of Shockwave are the best to use as they include all parts of Shockwave. That's good for legacy type programs or even newer programs that use more than just the web plugin. I've always replaced the Slim if I got it by installing the Full one over it.

The additional options like the toolbar can be unchecked, just say no, and it will install without it.

Well, the SystemWorks 2005 shipped from Amazon, and it looks like I'm going to win that ebay bid for 2003. Since my stand alone Utilities 2002 includes those Dos tools, I'll probably just install what I already have. Kind of positive it supports the large hard drives. If everything breaks when I run it I'll find out.

I just don't want all that other stuff in SystemWorks. I even turn off the installation of the Undo Wizard so I can install it without that problem filled Norton Recycle Bin replacer.

If I can keep 98SE stable, it'll be great as I have a ton of old favorites that run on Windows and it'll be nice to use them. Going into Vista was just too annoying for me to use it much so even though lots of that stuff would work fine, I avoided it.

Hi Sop, thanks for the quick reply!
Unfortunately, I still haven't resolved the problem.

I have never used Revolutions Pack BTW.

I tried deleting the SHELL= line from my config.sys as you suggested.
Autopatcher then kept running, and talked me through the environment space fix.
That all seemed to go OK, but after the re-boot it was exactly as before, running AP just makes a DOS box pop up briefly and immediately close!

I have checked config.sys, and the SHELL=COMMAND.COM /E:4096 /P line is there correctly, and the back-ups of config.sys are there OK in the C:\ root folder.

As I said before, I had already manually made that modification to config.sys with no result, and it looks as if AP's automatic fixing procedure is just producing the same result.

Any more ideas why if might not be running?
As I said, it does run OK in Safe Mode, but not in normal mode, even with everything but explorer.exe shut down.
Thanks, dave.

@barbarien & bristols:
Thanks a lot for the download sites and the cool Shockwave test. You rock!

@bristols:
Are you actually using 10.2.0.23? Whats your experience with it? After the sad experience I had with 10.3.0.24 I'm wary of upgrading Shockwave, but I reckon that maybe 10.2.0.23 is the last fully working version for Win 9x. Please advise.

:Seems shockwave 10.2.023 ,okay with 98SE plus all possible/imaginalable official and unofficial upgrades includin': wupg98/mdcu2.40,sesp1.5-sesp3.03a,ap/sept'07-ap/dec07rc2,rp7-rp7.11.5...with windows explorer5.50.4134.100 in c:drive&windows area! and repeat ::: same updates on 2nd computer just exchangin'rp7 foruberskinrp8 adding new uberskin!!!new update released today ;;;..no AFTER SHOCKS(OR TREMORS YET???)SMOOTHER INTERNET SURFIN' TOO!!! :thydreamwalker: ***try Renovatio as looks good with rp7***

Just a quick question. How can I remove the two flashing monitor icon from the systray next to the clock. Please make your reply easy to follow. Thanks.

Hi Ken,

In Control Panel, from Add/Remove programs, uninstall the Unofficial Improved Replacement Tools.

Cheers,
Sop.

Hi Sop. Just another quickie. I notice that I am getting a lot more Explorer errors recently, usually the white window which gives the choice of "ignore" or "quit", is this just me or can I fix something so this won't happen as much. Thanks, Ken. Also, have finally chosen the "Vista" theme with the "Vista Blue" wallpaper, so visually interesting, can't wait to turn my machine on now.