QUOTE (Fredledingue @ Oct 12 2007, 06:35 PM)

May I suggest a new section: Update(er)s to avoid at any cost.
DANGEROUS UPDATESNot because of the updated files themselves but basicaly because the installer is not working and the author (who wants
to remain anonymous) doesn't understand the risks of playing with system files (and would better not to).
U891711.EXE
Q891711.EXE
Q891711F.EXEEXPLOR98.EXE
KB918547.exe
Especialy Q891711 (and all the *891711 flavors)
For the second time (same problem as with the previous version 2 months ago) my computer was unable to restart and I had to reinstall windows.
It said "unable to load user.exe" then shut down in 1/10th of a second. Clack! (You know, the sound when the PC power is turned off). I didn't have the possibility to restart it! ===> Boot Floppy!
Q891711 IS AN EXTREMELY DANGEROUS UPDATE: DO NOT USE IT My dear Fredledingue:
I do respect your grief, and I do respect you. You have my sympathy. But some things must be said!
1)I have installed the updates you mention in more than 10 systems, including my own machine, since they were released, with no problem at all. What you are experiencing must be due to some quirk peculiar to your installation.
2)The files user.exe/user32.dll 4.10.0.2233 (in Q981711); and gdi.exe/gdi32.dll 4.10.0.2227 (in Q918547) are mods by anonymous, while explorer.exe 4.72.3612.1710 is a mod by erpdude8, AFAIK.
All these files work flawlessy and don't cause any problem whatsoever, in my experience. And you seem to confirm it
yourself as you do blame the
installers! Furthermore the mods by anonymous work as advertised and resolve problems MS didn't care to solve for us. Hence, if the installers do have a problem, we have, in this forum, lots of expertise to improve them. This is a case in which we can light a candle instead of cursing the darkness...

But we cannot afford to alienate the few code modders and coders we have among ourselves, especially over an installer issue! It's too bad we've lost LLXX already! Let the coders code. We all can help debug installers, once we know there is a problem, no matter how rarely it manifests itself. And in the meanwhile, if the installer doesn't work, it's just a case of installing the files by hand, in DOS mode, until a better installer is released.
3)Don't be overly dramatic.

If you did backup before applying new patches, it was a matter of no more than 20 min, probably less, for you to get back to your previous working system state. If you didn't, and really had to reinstall from scratch as you seem to imply, blame it on yourself alone! There are plenty of disclaimers everywhere telling you to backup first, and, ultimately, that whatever you do to your system you do solely at your own risk, and that YMMV. And do not tell me backuping takes lots of times more than 20 min. If it does, you should try an alternative backup strategy: there are many, and I'm sure I can help you find one that will provide you with a backup in 20 min or less, every time you need one. But if you want to discuss backup strategies, I suggest we start another thread, so as to not drift off-topic here.
All the same, thanks for the heads up! All best wishes.