Suddenly, newer drivers were found out of nowhere.
http://www.nvworld.ru/drivers/old/WideWin9x.rar

Those drivers are marked Sept 11 2006 and are believed to provide widescreen support for all nVidia graphic cards up to 6800.
Series 7 entries are absent in the inf so you'll have to edit if file yourself.

My version is 81.98 and I thought this was the last Win98SE - compatible version.

This is quite interesting considering the last offical reliease was indeed 81.98! I'll give these a try and see how they go. Hoping these drivers can be tricked like the (really) old ones to unlock higher resolutions despite my monitor internally giving a max of 1024x768 (really supports a max of 1152x864).

EDIT:
From what it seems, I can't "trick" these either into using 1152x864. Can only do so by booting w/ monitor off but gets capped again at 1024x768 once I open a full-screen app that changes screen resolution. Additionally attempting to use the NVidia control panel under the advanced tab fails with an exception:



All-in-all though they seem to be working and the nvidia configuration icon in the system tray works +has extra options. I prefer to configure my card using riva-tuner v2.0[Final] anyway so I just removed it.

edit2: Aside from the widescreen-support I cannot quite find ANY reference to this driver version on the net. Perhaps it was a once silently-leaked beta version?

Doesn't the forceware drivers support higher resolutions than 1024x768 under Win9x

Posted modded NVidia video driver 82.69 for Windows 98/ME:

From README.TXT:Please test this modded INF with as many NVidia video cards as possible, to make sure it works ok.

I've tested 82.69 with a GeForce Ti 4600 AGP, worked perfect, including overclocking the card.
I'm also going to test it with a couple of 6xxxx + 7xxx series soon.

The only bug:
same as older 81.xx [81.85 + 81.98] series drivers, after I exit Windows GUI to native MS-DOS, and then want to go back into Windows [run WIN.COM from C:\ prompt], the computer locks up.

Enjoy.

P.S.:
All newer NVidia + ATI video drivers allow for resolutions much higher than 1024x768, but the trick is to customize the control panel to increase the vertical refresh frequency for all supported resolutions past the default 60/75/85 Hz, built into most drivers.
You also need a CRT monitor which supports higher frequencies [most do, i.e. 100/120 Hz].
But if using an LCD monitor, you're stuck with 60 Hz.
Newer LCDs I believe support 70/75 Hz. [?]

HTH

It would be interesting if you can run nvidia's 7-series cards with this driver. I have tried the 81.98 when I got my 6800GT but it was very bad, like a bad beta driver. I went back to an 7x.xx driver that also doesn't work 100% but at least it gives me proper performance.

I don't have widescreen so I guess these wouldn't add to what the 8198 gives me, however I have read that the last NVidia driver to contain certain (unknown) items in it that affect 9x compatibility with older games was the 6694 driver.

I've downloaded that from NVidia. The readme for it says it's the first to add support for my 6600GT card (well, it says the 6000 series). It also was the first for Direct X 9.0c I think, with previous ones using Direct X 9.0b support. I don't think it includes the Pixal Shader 2.0 for newer games though. These, from what I've read, are needed if you want older games to function that will not run with the newer drivers.

I'll be trying these shortly as I redo things from ATI to NVidia and include 98SE in my mix again. Perhaps you can look at the 6694's to see if the newer cards from the 7000 series can successfully work if adding them to the inf?

The only reason I'm switching to my NVidia card is for the superior Linux support. Darned shame I need to because I loved my ATI x850 in 98SE and had the known problems using the NVidia 6600GT on 98SE in the past. But I was using later drivers. Maybe this old thing actually will make the card work properly on 98SE? I don't care about newer games on 98SE as I have all older games. A couple of exceptions, yeah, but I'll have Vista for that (which also works better with ATI at this point, sheesh).

Gave the drivers a test run last night. They are working pretty solid with a decent framerate. Seems a bit more stable though as well.



Of course but it's hard to set a higher resolution than what your monitor internally reports even though the monitor can support higher. The driver itself hard-caps the max resolution to what the montor itself reports.

IE:My monitor internally reports a max of 1024x768 but can actually display up to 1152x864 and as such the driver limiting the max to 1024x768 and so not allowing you to set a custom resolution any higher. It was able to keep it set to 1152x768 using the older detonator drivers as long as I booted the system with the monitor off. However, now you can still do it but the driver resets the cap back to whatever the monitor internally reports after exiting out of a full-screen app using OGL or DX.



I would be interested in finding out about this myself as well actually. If they do work on the higher-series cards then NVidia will end up getting a little more funding from my pocket as I would be upgrading the card at that point.. ^.^

XFX 6200 graphics card with 512MB video RAM; 98SE2ME + most other upgrades:

With one proviso (last sentence below) it works fine @ 1024 x 768; 32 bit; 85 Hz on my 17 inch monitor (CRT).

As with previous 81.98 driver, am unable to get greater than 85 Hz, though when I boot (dual boot) to XP can get stable 100 HZ. Had hoped that this version would likewise give 100 Hz for win98SE.

Unfortunately I cannot get large font (Advanced tab) with 82.69. I could with 81.98. I can set large font but on reboot it still shows small font.

It has been reported that this driver *works* on some PCI Express GeForce [7600 GS] video adapters!

Which 1 did you mean, the original:
http://www.nvworld.ru/drivers/old/WideWin9x.rar
or the modded one:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE
or both, reported to work with PCI-X adapters?

BTW:
I've already added all available hardware IDs into the INF, including the PCI-X ones. The INF has all NVidia IDs up to the newest 7xxx series.
If it helps, I can also add the 8xxx series IDs.
Do you think I should?

Just to add, that for me at any rate (with 6200) the previous 81.98 driver is better, for the reason given. Have reverted to it.

I don't understand all your resolution and refresh rate problems. You install the card driver, you install the screen driver, that's it. I can choose all resolutions that are working with my 17" CRT (syncmaster 797mb), up to 2048x1536 and all refresh modes like 60, 70, 72, 75, 85, 100, and if I go down with the resolution (I use 1024x768) I can get 120 or 140 too.

I don't understand it either ;-) But it exists as a fact. Maybe it's graphics card (manufacture) related. This card is XFX6200.

Be careful to *never* select/use frequencies that were not on the list of your particular monitor (CRT) for a specific resolution.
If you do, your monitor may just die.
More info:
http://www.mdgx.com/newtip23.htm#OVRR

HTH

Man, I wish I had a nice little 7950gt to test this out !
Thanks for those babies!

By the way, about widescreen support... I have quite a few questions. Can those drivers diplay the desktop with a wide (but not stretched) resolution?
Or do the screen drivers take care of that too?

The sense of installing the drivers of your monitor IS to have only the resolutions listed that work with it. I do not need any advice on that =).

This modded nVidia driver is great news!
Maybe it mean that all drivers can be modded to work under 98SE.
I really hope that!!!

Is there some modded driver for ATI's cards??

I have only pointed out to all forum readers [because some may not know; this was not meant specifically for you or anybody else in particular, btw] that it is dangerous to select a vertical refresh frequency not supported by either a monitor [CRT or LCD] or video adapter, because might cause permanent damage to 1 or the other, or even both.
Some LCD monitors have internal protection routines built into their hardware to avoid damage, but most don't, and I don't know of any CRTs that do.

Just by installing the correct monitor driver [usually just an INF file with lists of frequencies which match a list of resolutions] and the manufacturer provided video adapter driver does not protect video hardware from physical damage, because there are video adapter drivers which list unsupported frequencies and/or allow to list such frequencies. Examples: the NVidia Override Refresh Rates tab to use with applications or the list of unsupported refresh rates that can be enabled in WinXP NVidia control panel.
Because such settings are available one way or another, depends mostly on the user's degree of savviness not to play around with unsupported frequencies.

Also, some users [myself included] like to mess around/experiment with INF files/registry settings, and if one doesn't know what they are doing, they can cause hardware damage.

HTH

I have to say that this refresh rate stuff on all the forceware drivers since...I don't know, the 6x.xx series I believe, does not work with me. It just gives me some error and that's it. And well, my monitors all came with installing CDs and stuff, I have not experienced any problem with that, but I only had samsung screens so far.

Being impetuous as I sometimes am I installed the unofficial nVidia82.69 on my 800x600 AOC just for the hell of it! honestly haven't noticed any difference so far.

Have you looked on Samsung's web site for updated monitor drivers?
http://www.samsung.com/support/productsupp...load/index.aspx

You could also [if you know your monitor's supported refresh rates] add them manually into your registry.
This may help:
http://www.mdgx.com/newtip23.htm#OVRR

Or you could even write your own INF to add more supported refresh rates for most resolutions, based on older Samsung INF files (if any).
Just make sure to name it something like 1SAMSUNG.INF [or similar = alphabetically comes before any official Samsung INFs you may have, and thus will be detected 1st] and place it in %windir%\INF so Windows Hardware Wizard can detect it.

I've been using a 21" Panasonic PanaSync/Pro P110 CRT for a long time, and never had any problems.

HTH

I think you don't get what I mean. I just cannot use this manual override (refresh rate fix) that is built into the driver in the panel. As you should know because of my last postings here, I can of course change refresh rates to what I like them to be. I just cannot tell it that if it for some reason would switch into like 800x600, that it should use 100hz then. I would have to change it in the graphics card tab manually. I don't really care, I don't need it anyway.

This works for me...

If for whatever reason your desktop reverts back to 800x600 60 Hz [default values written by the NVIDIA driver into your registry at install time, considered lowest supported resolution by NVIDIA developers], or even worse, back to 640x480 60 Hz [i.e. default Windows 95 values built into the generic VGA.DRV], and this might happen if driver files become for some reason incompatible, broken or mixed-and-matched, there is a way to force a resolution/frequency pair other than default.
Please see this reg file [keys 0001 and 0002 are mine, yours might be different depending on video driver installations]:

-------snip-------
REGEDIT4

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Config\0001]
"Resolution"="1024,768"
"RefreshRate"="100"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Config\0001\Display\Settings]
"Resolution"="1024,768"
"RefreshRate"="100"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\System\CurrentControlSet\Services\Class\Display\0002\DEFAULT]
"Mode"="32,1024,768"
"RefreshRate"="100"

-------snip-------

Save this as a REG file, and merge it back into your registry whenever you need.
Or you could load it unattended in the background from your Startup folder or from the registry "Run" key, if you want it to load with Windows every time.
Example:

regedit /s c:\temp\nv_def.reg

or from within a batch file if you wish:HTH

Everybody,

Please try this one...

Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SE/ME [14.5 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE
Documentation:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT
Modded NVAGP.INF = added support for *all* :
- GeForce, GeForce Go + Quadro 5xxx, 6xxx, 7xxx + 8xxx series.
- GeForce + Quadro PCI, AGP + PCI-x series.
- GeForce 7950 SLI PCI-x series.
- Vertical refresh frequencies + all normal and widescreen resolutions for video driver + CRT/LCD monitors.
- Languages DLL + HLP files from NVIDIA Display Driver 93.71.
- Registry tweaks to allow access to hidden/undocumented options.

FYI:
PCI-x may or may not work, depending on motherboard, chipset, GPU.

Have fun.

Installed it. There was an error message thrown up (should have made a note of it) but the installer carried on regardless. Machine performance seems to have improved some and the refresh setting has suddenly changed from 60Hz - the minimum - to the maximum of 100Hz. Is this down to the new display driver?

This DLL with all languages or only english?

I've tried this modified drivers on a agp "Asus 7600GS Silent" and it works (manual instalation) all resolutions, and refreshs including all control panel tools but...

There're black pixels or imperfections on the screen (in some menues, windows etc).

(xp2400+,pb abit kw7, 512mb)

Fixed install error dialog box:

* Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Driver 82.69 for Windows 98/98 SP1/98 SE/ME:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT
NV8269.EXE [14.5 MB, multilingual]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

What's new + updated:
- Fixed install error dialog box.
- All 6xxx, 7xxx + 8xxx GeForce + Quadro series supported.
- All PCI, AGP + PCIe [PCI Express] GeForce + Quadro series supported.
- DLLs + HLP files are the NVidia ones used for all supported languages ["borrowed" from Forceware 93.71 for 2000/XP/2003].
- All widescreen resolutions supported = but not all res may display properly, especially on LCDs, some resolutions may display with artifacts on some monitors. Make sure you update to most recent INF file from monitor manufacturer.
- All vertical refresh rate frequencies supported = this applies only to CRT monitors.
LCD/plasma monitors/TVs do not use refresh rates:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Refresh_rate
- All registry tweaks should work properly.

See text file for complete details:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT

Enjoy.
______________________________________

The install error is now corrected.
Please download the driver again [14.5 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

This driver supports all vertical refresh frequencies for CRTs, so the driver may reset itself to the highest supported frequency.
DirectX.cpl can reset default vertical refresh frequency to any supported frequency from the DirectDraw tab [147 KB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/DX9CPL.EXE
All DLLs + HLP files are used for all supported languages.
These multilingual DLL + HLP files are the same ones used by NVidia in Forceware 93.71 for 2000/XP/2003.
Details:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.TXT

HTH

Installed it but this time I made a note of the error message, it said
After the next reboot I got a message implicating kernel32. Another thing I have noticed is that the nVidia desktop manager no longer appears in the systray?

Fixed install error dialog box [again ;-(].

Please download the driver 1 more time [14.5 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE
This time everything should work ok, including the NVidia Desktop Manager in systray.

The INF AddReg section error was actually [similar to the 1st error] non-essential, because setup couldn't "understand" why the INF had 2 empty sections one after the other without any rows to separate them, something like:

[WhatEver.REG]
[WhatEver2.REG]

instead of:

[WhatEver.REG]

[WhatEver2.REG]

No matter, the installation was completing 100% anyway [both times], even if you were seeing that error dialog box.

HTH

I testing this "build" /6600 GeForge, OK. No error. thx!

Yes, yes, yes! Thanks greatly!

Thanks Tihiy for submitting those terrific widescreen drivers. Even more thanks to the author!
It works perfectly and it's just in time for my new 16/10 flatscreen

PS: MDGx, your pack failed to install (invalid command)

I have tested this last [fixed] driver on 2 computers, and worked great both times.
I have not seen any errors.
Please download again, and test [14.5 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE

Please be more specific, can you post here the entire error dialog box, eventually a screen shot?

BTW, the installer [setup.exe] was made by InstallShield, the same company who makes M$ installer [MSI], and is meant to be installed on English language OSes.
Is it possible that the error might be specific to a language other than English?

What you can also try:
Run:

NV8259 /C /Q /T:C:\TEMP

to extract all files to C:\TEMP .
Then right-click on Desktop -> Properties -> Settings tab -> Advanced button -> Adapter tab -> Change button -> check "Specify the location of the driver (Advanced)" -> check "Display a list of drivers in a specific location, so you can select the driver you want" -> Have disk button -> browse to C:\TEMP -> double-click on NVAGP.INF -> OK button.
See if you still get that error.
If you do get any error, please post here the exact dialog box or screen shot.

Thanks.

When you'll answer my PM... !!!

Seriously, I'm getting tired of waiting for a reply...
Basically the error was about an invalid parameter. I didn't spend time to figure out where the error came from since the original 82.69 worked. I'll still try to install manually if you want but just not right now since I've had trouble trying to use DVI display (windows fails to start half the time and chooses unsupported frequencies...) and everything seems to work fine since two reboots.

I don't believe the error can be language specific since it says invalid command. Do you think it worth the effort to change the language value in the setup.ini or even mod the executable just in case ?

Did you mean the PM about your win9xforever logo?
I have answered it, and have removed the logo, as you requested.
I have been busy, that's why I haven't answered your PM sooner, ok?

About the tweaked NVidia driver:
About the invalid command error:
please post the screen shot of the error when you have time to install the tweaked driver.
I don't think the invalid command is related to a specific language either.
I would have to see the screen shot of that error.

About unsupported frequencies:
Please find out which frequencies are actually supported by your monitor, and eventually post them here when you have time.
Then you could [on your computer] edit NVAGP.INF [installed by the tweaked driver] found in C:\WINDOWS\INF with Notepad and modify the appropriate [NVxxMOD] AddReg section that contains the frequencies for your NVidia card and delete the unsupported ones. Save your file, and then reboot.
Eventually you could recompile the driver using your modded INF. If you want to do this, I can send you the SED file to make it easier.

HTH

Hello everybody,

Please download again and install this 5-28-2007 revised driver [14.5 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE
Then please post in this forum:
http://www.msfn.org/board/?showtopic=97140
any errors you may encounter during install [hopefully there won't be any ].

Thanks for your feedback.

Best wishes.

I had a s***ty day and overeacted...(not better today, I'm afraid). Anyway, sorry about that. :
Thanks for the new drivers.
However, I keep having problems with my flatscreen in DVI. Everything is fine in VGA but I can't use the 4/3 scaling option from Nvidia pannel when I use it. It's only avaible throught DVI.
But using DVI makes windows refuse to boot (windows protection error... WTF, for a screen?) !
Unfortunatly, no drivers seems to help and my XP second boot just got f**** ** by SP2 so it won't boot anymore...
Ok. Your 2nd version of 82.69 failed to install with the following error:
Once unpacked and modded, it installed even while displaying the error.

Your last (well not anymore) drivers refused to install, telling me my PID was not a supported device (what the hell? I got a 6200. It IS in the *.inf)...
I even went back to the older 81.98, adding my resolution (1440x900) manually in the registry, which makes it work in VGA but not in DVI...

I tested my 16/10 screen with my other rig, (got 98 too) on a fx5600 and it works in DVI...

So I'm thinking:
- maybe I should restore Windows from before the new screen and try directly on DVI
- maybe my 6200 has a crappy DVI port since my x800gt and my fx5600 both display fine in DVI
- maybe find a way to maintain the correct ratio for 4/3 games while using VGA (but I haven't found any...)

Any ideas?

EDIT : I'll try your new pack right now.

Just installed your 29/5/2007 rewrite, went smoothly, no hiccups at all

thanks, mdgx, problems are solved now!
one question on your registrytweaks:
your version:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Software\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\Global\OpenGL]
"ShaderObjects"=dword:00000001

from coolbits 2.0:
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\OpenGL]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\NVIDIA Corporation\Global\OpenGL\Debug]
"ShaderObjects"=dword:00000001

which version works, both?

greets

The last version of your drivers repack worked ! It even started in DVI with the help of driver cleaner!

Unfortunatly, the scale function does not work for me whatever I try. Well... it does reduce lower resolutions but still uses a 16/10 ratio...
It finally crashed anyway while testing dos games... So that's a no go. My 6200 probably has a fake DVI port!
I think I'll just plug back my good old CRT (which I hope still works ) through a DVI adapter and use it for older 4/3 games.
The flat screen will stay on VGA... Anyway, that's just my computer giving me troubles. It has nothing to do with your drivers.

-> In fact, your repack of 82.69 now work 100%. Thanks MDGx!

MDGx,
The last release of driver's repack worked like a charm on my EVGA 6600GT.
The previous ones didn't, thought - error message + unable to install when skipped.

Cheers!

Why the hell you use these drivers when you have a 6-series geforce? The only reason and sense of this driver is to make 7- and even 8-series work on 9x. So does anybody have in fact a 7- or 8-series that works because of these? That's the interesting part here.

Because, the hell I was eager to have a try at their compatibility over 6-series!
You know, the more feedbacks, the better overall performance.

Cheers!

Of course, but as there DO exist some working drivers for the 6-series, you don't need it so badly compared to the 7 and 8 ones. I hope somebody with a newer card can report ASAP here if and how it works.

Anyone run these drivers with either a 7600GT or a 7950GT?

I'm looking to buy one of those cards, but want to make sure it will be error free. If not, I'll be stuck with a 6800

@ MDGx - On booting on, as systray is loading I've recently been getting a momentary black screen followed by a judder before loading resumes. I've made things easy on the Desk Manager by removing multiple users and multiple desktops options yet this phenomenon persists.

I'm running a 7600GT AGP and have a dual boot ME/XP and I installed the drivers linked to in this thread for Windows ME. They installed fine but I noticed that ME would not shut down properly with these installed. It would hang permanently. It reboots fine. I know it's these drivers because I did have a GF5900 and it would always shutdown. I don't game in Windows ME at all, I use XP for that so I can't say how they perform. But the shutdown hang is definitely an issue.

Yeah, I get that as well. However, that's not this specific driver's fault since I had the same problem with 81.93 before. It's present in all latest 9x drivers.