I have come like many others on this site looking for informations about today computer hardware which is working with Windows 98.
To make future searches of many others easier to find solution I will here write names of "modern" MBO which support Windows 98.
Conditions to enter this list are:
1) It is now in shops near you (not internet but in real shops)
2) MBO are supporting 2007 tehnology and Windows 98.
INTEL:
Socket 775 MBO which are supporting Core 2 Duo, SATA and Windows 98.
ASRock 775i65G . Support E4300 - X6800. FSB is 1066 only with overclock which MBO support
ECS P4M800Pro-M2, s775, VIA P4M800Pro, VGA (rev 2.0) .Support E4300 - E6700 and it is working with DDR II memory.
Gigabyte GA-8I865GME-775-RH (rev. 2.0). Support E4300 - X6800 but FSB 800
AMD
Today in shops near you it is ulmost impossible to find AM2 socket MBO which are supporting Windows 98.
After looking very hard I have make this finding:
MSI K9MM-V . MSI is writing how this MBO do not work with Windows 98 but they are giving drivers and instructions (how to connect hard drive) for this OS. It will be interesting to know if this MBO work or not ? MSI K9MMV is having only 1 IDE port so this can create small problems... CPU is supported until Athlon 64 x2 6000+ . DDR II and SATA are on MBO.
ASRock AM2NF3-VSTA is not supporting Windows 98 but this MBO is made from Nvidia 3 chipset. ASRock is not giving drivers, but it is possible to download them from NVidia site. Question is if they will work ? MBO is working with DDR II and SATA. This MBO is supporting even Windows Vista. CPU are supported until Athlon 64 X2 ADX6000IAA6CZ
If we look other AMD sockets it is possible to find MBO for socket 754. Because this is writen for today (2007) computer tehnology this list will stay very short:
MSI K8MM3-V . It is supporting Turion until Turion 64 ML44. Of older processors on this MBO it will work Semprons until 3400+ (there are still in shops)
Every month I will add 1 or more new MBO on this list. It will be very interesting if somebody test this 2 AM2 socket MBO motherboards and write if they work or not with Windows 98
Full Version: Modern motherboards which are working with Windows 98
Hello There,
Afaik W98se seems to be running pretty well on my Asus M2V with Athlon 64 X2.
See an earlier post (scroll way down)
here:http://www.msfn.org/board/Cheap_AMD_PC_Windows_98_SE_t86587.html&pid=586532&mode=threaded&start=
It's over 9 months now that W98se's been running fine on this Asus M2V/A64 X2 board and the board is still available in shops as of this writing (well here in Singapore at least). So you can add this board to your database of 2007 mobos that
will run W98se.
Generally it has been pointed out elsewhere on this forum that boards with Via chipsets best supports W98se, yes even in
2007. Of course check with Via for drivers before you buy - however their Hyperion 5.10a drivers was what I used for my W98se and it works. But new Nvidia mobos is a gigantic no-no as far as 98se is concerned.
Hth
Best
Tee Charoen
newbie since Nov06
Afaik W98se seems to be running pretty well on my Asus M2V with Athlon 64 X2.
See an earlier post (scroll way down)
here:http://www.msfn.org/board/Cheap_AMD_PC_Windows_98_SE_t86587.html&pid=586532&mode=threaded&start=
It's over 9 months now that W98se's been running fine on this Asus M2V/A64 X2 board and the board is still available in shops as of this writing (well here in Singapore at least). So you can add this board to your database of 2007 mobos that
will run W98se.
Generally it has been pointed out elsewhere on this forum that boards with Via chipsets best supports W98se, yes even in
2007. Of course check with Via for drivers before you buy - however their Hyperion 5.10a drivers was what I used for my W98se and it works. But new Nvidia mobos is a gigantic no-no as far as 98se is concerned.
Hth
Best
Tee Charoen
newbie since Nov06
We will start today with bad news:
ASRock has droped from first page of web site MBO ASRock 775i65G. In near future we can expect lower number of this MBO in shops.
Because of black situation for Windows 98 in future we can expect that only MBO in 2009 which we can buy that support this OS will be from Via so today I will write on this page about that.
MBO of today is:
EPIA CN 13000G C7 Mini-ITX Board.
With that MBO buyer is recieving processor C7 1.3 Ghz and GPU. It is possible to connect on that MBO SATA or IDE hard drive and DDR II memory. With new games this MBO can have problems because processor C7 is bad in processor power, but good in low Watt usage.
Chipset of MBO is Via CN700 and Windows 98 drivers is possible to download from Via website.
ASRock has droped from first page of web site MBO ASRock 775i65G. In near future we can expect lower number of this MBO in shops.
Because of black situation for Windows 98 in future we can expect that only MBO in 2009 which we can buy that support this OS will be from Via so today I will write on this page about that.
MBO of today is:
EPIA CN 13000G C7 Mini-ITX Board.
With that MBO buyer is recieving processor C7 1.3 Ghz and GPU. It is possible to connect on that MBO SATA or IDE hard drive and DDR II memory. With new games this MBO can have problems because processor C7 is bad in processor power, but good in low Watt usage.
Chipset of MBO is Via CN700 and Windows 98 drivers is possible to download from Via website.
the intel motherboards mentioned so far seem to be of micro-atx form factor ...
are there any standard atx form factor motherboards still supporting 98se+agp+p4 available in north america?
asrock seems good about this, but their boards are hard to find in the u.s. (for me, at least):
+ ConRoe865PE
this one has (for 98se) unnecessary (4) ram slots
+ 775i48
this one seems perfect but i can't find it to buy (even online) in the u.s., anyone have better luck searching than me?
+ 775Dual-880Pro
found this one at NewEgg, does it look okay (only $26 for some reason, makes me leery)? i'll get it if it does -- btw, need to use this cpu, will it work?
+ 775V88+
again, 4 ram slots
+ 775i65PE
4 ram slots
+ 775V88
4 ram slots
are there any standard atx form factor motherboards still supporting 98se+agp+p4 available in north america?
asrock seems good about this, but their boards are hard to find in the u.s. (for me, at least):
+ ConRoe865PE
this one has (for 98se) unnecessary (4) ram slots
+ 775i48
this one seems perfect but i can't find it to buy (even online) in the u.s., anyone have better luck searching than me?
+ 775Dual-880Pro
found this one at NewEgg, does it look okay (only $26 for some reason, makes me leery)? i'll get it if it does -- btw, need to use this cpu, will it work?
+ 775V88+
again, 4 ram slots
+ 775i65PE
4 ram slots
+ 775V88
4 ram slots
About ASRock MBO:
I believe that 775i48 MBO is out of production. She is build around I848 chipset and that is too old.
About other MBO I think that ConRoe865PE is best but...
Good thing is that she support even x6800.
Bad thing in my thinking is that she do not support: "CPU Overheat Shutdown to Protect CPU Life". This is my only reason against this MBO. If you look ASRock MBO that option is supported on 775i65G.
Question which you must ask yourself if do you think to buy in future Core 2 Duo. If your answer is Yes then from ASRock list of MBO you must choose between ConRoe865PE and 775i65G (for Windows 98). If your answer is no then you can take other ASRock MBO.
On your question about 775Dual-880Pro and Pentium 4 641 Cedar Mill 3.2GHz my answer is no. It is writen on web site that for example ConRoe865PE support this procesor but it is not writen that for 775Dual-880Pro so .....
I believe that 775i48 MBO is out of production. She is build around I848 chipset and that is too old.
About other MBO I think that ConRoe865PE is best but...
Good thing is that she support even x6800.
Bad thing in my thinking is that she do not support: "CPU Overheat Shutdown to Protect CPU Life". This is my only reason against this MBO. If you look ASRock MBO that option is supported on 775i65G.
Question which you must ask yourself if do you think to buy in future Core 2 Duo. If your answer is Yes then from ASRock list of MBO you must choose between ConRoe865PE and 775i65G (for Windows 98). If your answer is no then you can take other ASRock MBO.
On your question about 775Dual-880Pro and Pentium 4 641 Cedar Mill 3.2GHz my answer is no. It is writen on web site that for example ConRoe865PE support this procesor but it is not writen that for 775Dual-880Pro so .....
QUOTE (Rjecina @ May 7 2007, 03:17 PM) 
ASRock AM2NF3-VSTA is not supporting Windows 98 but this MBO is made from Nvidia 3 chipset. ASRock is not giving drivers, but it is possible to download them from NVidia site. Question is if they will work ? MBO is working with DDR II and SATA. This MBO is supporting even Windows Vista. CPU are supported until Athlon 64 X2 ADX6000IAA6CZ
Hi,
Nice forums here!
I'm curios, if this mobo work correctly under Windows 98SE too.
The prices of DDR2 a down, so I'm willing to take advantage of DDR2 2x512 dual channel, as well as with the AM2 architecture (excluding HT - probably it can be disabled). It is available at low price in Bulgaria.
I believe SATA won't be a problem, since it could be disabled in BIOS (in my particular case), or work in PATA compatible mode. I would like to use my AGP video card, as well.
Don't know anything about its audio and LAN drivers under Win98SE.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...F3-VSTA&s=n
Please, if anyone has any experience with that stuff, let it share!
Thanks!
With audio driver for ASRock AM2NF3-VSTA you will have problem.
AsRock has put on this MBO new audio chip so that he recieve right for Windows Vista logo. Because of that nvidia 3 drivers will not be OK ...
If I do not make mistake all others nvidia 3 MBO are having 5.1 channel Audio
This is having 7.1 channel audio.
You must look on web if anybody is having drivers for this sound card and Windows 98 but ....
AsRock has put on this MBO new audio chip so that he recieve right for Windows Vista logo. Because of that nvidia 3 drivers will not be OK ...
If I do not make mistake all others nvidia 3 MBO are having 5.1 channel Audio
This is having 7.1 channel audio.
You must look on web if anybody is having drivers for this sound card and Windows 98 but ....
Thanks, mate!
So it all means that I have to disable the build-in audio in bios, and spend some 7-8 dollars extra to buy a PCI one.
Any ideas for the LAN and USB support?
So it all means that I have to disable the build-in audio in bios, and spend some 7-8 dollars extra to buy a PCI one.
Any ideas for the LAN and USB support?
Lan support will not be a problem. Chip on older MBO of nvidia3 (original drivers) has been :
Realtek 8201 10/100 PHY for 10/100 Mbps LAN
On ASRock is:
Realtek PHY RTL8201CL Speed: 10/100 Ethernet
Number of chip is not changed so this is it !
USB must work!? It is not important which MBO you use.
When you finish work on PC you must tell if everything has been without problems (like I expect).
Realtek 8201 10/100 PHY for 10/100 Mbps LAN
On ASRock is:
Realtek PHY RTL8201CL Speed: 10/100 Ethernet
Number of chip is not changed so this is it !
USB must work!? It is not important which MBO you use.
When you finish work on PC you must tell if everything has been without problems (like I expect).
QUOTE (tee charoen @ May 10 2007, 01:08 PM)
Hello There,
Afaik W98se seems to be running pretty well on my Asus M2V with Athlon 64 X2.
See an earlier post (scroll way down)
here:http://www.msfn.org/board/Cheap_AMD_PC_Windows_98_SE_t86587.html&pid=586532&mode=threaded&start=
It's over 9 months now that W98se's been running fine on this Asus M2V/A64 X2 board and the board is still available in shops as of this writing (well here in Singapore at least). So you can add this board to your database of 2007 mobos that
will run W98se.
Generally it has been pointed out elsewhere on this forum that boards with Via chipsets best supports W98se, yes even in
2007. Of course check with Via for drivers before you buy - however their Hyperion 5.10a drivers was what I used for my W98se and it works. But new Nvidia mobos is a gigantic no-no as far as 98se is concerned.
Best
Tee Charoen
newbie since Nov06
Afaik W98se seems to be running pretty well on my Asus M2V with Athlon 64 X2.
See an earlier post (scroll way down)
here:http://www.msfn.org/board/Cheap_AMD_PC_Windows_98_SE_t86587.html&pid=586532&mode=threaded&start=
It's over 9 months now that W98se's been running fine on this Asus M2V/A64 X2 board and the board is still available in shops as of this writing (well here in Singapore at least). So you can add this board to your database of 2007 mobos that
will run W98se.
Generally it has been pointed out elsewhere on this forum that boards with Via chipsets best supports W98se, yes even in
2007. Of course check with Via for drivers before you buy - however their Hyperion 5.10a drivers was what I used for my W98se and it works. But new Nvidia mobos is a gigantic no-no as far as 98se is concerned.
Best
Tee Charoen
newbie since Nov06
The M2V manual page 2-25 says "Install Windows XP Service Pack 1 or later versions when using Serial ATA drives." Can M2V run Win98SE from a SATA drive? How about an IDE boot drive with an SATA drive also attached?
QUOTE (tee charoen @ May 10 2007, 03:08 PM)
Hello There,
Afaik W98se seems to be running pretty well on my Asus M2V with Athlon 64 X2.
See an earlier post (scroll way down)
here:http://www.msfn.org/board/Cheap_AMD_PC_Windows_98_SE_t86587.html&pid=586532&mode=threaded&start=
It's over 9 months now that W98se's been running fine on this Asus M2V/A64 X2 board and the board is still available in shops as of this writing (well here in Singapore at least). So you can add this board to your database of 2007 mobos that
will run W98se.
Generally it has been pointed out elsewhere on this forum that boards with Via chipsets best supports W98se, yes even in
2007. Of course check with Via for drivers before you buy - however their Hyperion 5.10a drivers was what I used for my W98se and it works. But new Nvidia mobos is a gigantic no-no as far as 98se is concerned.
Hth
Best
Tee Charoen
newbie since Nov06
Afaik W98se seems to be running pretty well on my Asus M2V with Athlon 64 X2.
See an earlier post (scroll way down)
here:http://www.msfn.org/board/Cheap_AMD_PC_Windows_98_SE_t86587.html&pid=586532&mode=threaded&start=
It's over 9 months now that W98se's been running fine on this Asus M2V/A64 X2 board and the board is still available in shops as of this writing (well here in Singapore at least). So you can add this board to your database of 2007 mobos that
will run W98se.
Generally it has been pointed out elsewhere on this forum that boards with Via chipsets best supports W98se, yes even in
2007. Of course check with Via for drivers before you buy - however their Hyperion 5.10a drivers was what I used for my W98se and it works. But new Nvidia mobos is a gigantic no-no as far as 98se is concerned.
Hth
Best
Tee Charoen
newbie since Nov06
nForce Windows 98 support sucks!
Even with supported nForce chipsets, expect crashes regularly!
To dspear,
>The M2V manual page 2-25 says "Install Windows XP Service Pack 1 or later versions when using Serial ATA >drives." Can M2V run Win98SE from a SATA drive? How about an IDE boot drive with an SATA drive also attached?
Sorry, elaborating on my 98se setup on the M2V mobo, I used ide in preference over sata . The M2V still comes, thankfully, with the 2 std ide slots of yore. I read somewhere on this forum that getting 98se to run on sata disks
is possible, and involves copying an image of 98se from an ide disk over to the sata disk... search this forum if you're keen to do it. Hth
Tee Charoen
Newbie since Nov 06
>The M2V manual page 2-25 says "Install Windows XP Service Pack 1 or later versions when using Serial ATA >drives." Can M2V run Win98SE from a SATA drive? How about an IDE boot drive with an SATA drive also attached?
Sorry, elaborating on my 98se setup on the M2V mobo, I used ide in preference over sata . The M2V still comes, thankfully, with the 2 std ide slots of yore. I read somewhere on this forum that getting 98se to run on sata disks
is possible, and involves copying an image of 98se from an ide disk over to the sata disk... search this forum if you're keen to do it. Hth
Tee Charoen
Newbie since Nov 06
Because there have been questions about AMD AM2 MBO after long looking I have find this:
Gygabyte GA-MF3
This is AM2 MBO with nvidia 3 chipset. She support processors until Athlon 64 FX-62 but ...
GA-MF3 is working on FSB 800 (1600). All Athlons are working with FSB 1000 (2000) so they will work on this MBO with lower FSB and lower speed. On other side all AM2 Semprons are working with FSB 800 (1600) so with them everything is OK.
Other information about MBO are standard:
DDR 2 (until 667 Mhz)
SATA
AGP
Gygabyte is giving only audio drivers for Windows 98 so all other must be taken from Nvidia site.
Gygabyte GA-MF3
This is AM2 MBO with nvidia 3 chipset. She support processors until Athlon 64 FX-62 but ...
GA-MF3 is working on FSB 800 (1600). All Athlons are working with FSB 1000 (2000) so they will work on this MBO with lower FSB and lower speed. On other side all AM2 Semprons are working with FSB 800 (1600) so with them everything is OK.
Other information about MBO are standard:
DDR 2 (until 667 Mhz)
SATA
AGP
Gygabyte is giving only audio drivers for Windows 98 so all other must be taken from Nvidia site.
QUOTE (Rjecina @ May 21 2007, 10:58 AM)
We will start today with bad news:
ASRock has droped from first page of web site MBO ASRock 775i65G. In near future we can expect lower number of this MBO in shops.
ASRock has droped from first page of web site MBO ASRock 775i65G. In near future we can expect lower number of this MBO in shops.
Yesterday I went to bought one mb for w98 and the only I find (in Micro-atx format)was it. It's really cheap 37€.
First I was looking for Asus P5PE-VM but the shop where I saw on their web, told me that didn't know when could get one.
(I also buy a cheap P4 3,2GHz to put on it).
I disabled de HT on the bios but I can't boot in w98se, only in safe mode. Have to disabled something more?.
I use a sata disk with w98 and XP from and old amd pc and Xp works perfect. I need to reinstall w98 from zero?
EDITED
Solved. I enabled the compatibility mode for SATA in the Bios and now I can boot on W98se.
QUOTE (Rjecina @ May 21 2007, 04:58 AM)
With that MBO buyer is recieving processor C7 1.3 Ghz and GPU. It is possible to connect on that MBO SATA or IDE hard drive and DDR II memory. With new games this MBO can have problems because processor C7 is bad in processor power, but good in low Watt usage.
Chipset of MBO is Via CN700 and Windows 98 drivers is possible to download from Via website.
Chipset of MBO is Via CN700 and Windows 98 drivers is possible to download from Via website.
Yes, I agree! Via has been having better Windows 98 support!
I never had a Via chipset be unstable with Windows 98.
With the exception of Nvidia video cards, stay away from Nvidia!
Even if the Nvidia chipset is officially supported, you still can have random reboots.
Has anybody tried Windows 98 on MBO with chipset VIA P4M900 ?
Because MBO on this chipset are with PCI Express nobody expect that they will work but ...
MBO is having :
Integrated VIA® Chrome9 HC Graphics, DirectX 9.0 VGA, Max. shared memory 256MB
For this GPU you can download drivers on Via site (http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2&OSID=6&CatID=1430). OK there you will not find drivers for P4M900 but for GPU on MBO CN896 VIA Chrome9™ integrated graphics and K8M890CE/K8N890CE Chrome9™ integrated graphics. All this GPU areChrome9™ so this need to work ?? I hope that somebody have will to test that and write on this site.
All other drivers (chipset, ATA, SATA) for P4M900 is possible to download from Via site and they will work with Windows 98 SE if we believe to VIA.
Gygabate and AsRock are having MBO around this chipset which is supporting Core 2 Duo.
For the end I will say again this chipset is maybe working with Windows 98 SE and must important if it is working it is not possible to add graphic card !!!!
Because MBO on this chipset are with PCI Express nobody expect that they will work but ...
MBO is having :
Integrated VIA® Chrome9 HC Graphics, DirectX 9.0 VGA, Max. shared memory 256MB
For this GPU you can download drivers on Via site (http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageID=2&OSID=6&CatID=1430). OK there you will not find drivers for P4M900 but for GPU on MBO CN896 VIA Chrome9™ integrated graphics and K8M890CE/K8N890CE Chrome9™ integrated graphics. All this GPU areChrome9™ so this need to work ?? I hope that somebody have will to test that and write on this site.
All other drivers (chipset, ATA, SATA) for P4M900 is possible to download from Via site and they will work with Windows 98 SE if we believe to VIA.
Gygabate and AsRock are having MBO around this chipset which is supporting Core 2 Duo.
For the end I will say again this chipset is maybe working with Windows 98 SE and must important if it is working it is not possible to add graphic card !!!!
I do not see point in socket 939 MBO but in my region of the world there are now more of 20 different MBO
Socket 939 MBO which are without questions working with Windows 98SE are:
EPOX, s. 939, 9NDA3+, nForce 3 Ultra, BUS 2000 MHz, serial ATA RAID, 7.1 zvuk, DDR 400, 1Gps, FireWire, Firewall, ATX 2
EPOX, s. 939, 9NDA3J, nForce 3 Ultra, BUS 2000 MHz, serial ATA RAID, 7.1 zvuk, DDR 400, 1Gps, ATX 2
ECS KV2 Lite, s939, VIA K8T800 Pro, AGP, SATA, RAID, LAN
Socket 939 MBO which are without questions working with Windows 98SE are:
EPOX, s. 939, 9NDA3+, nForce 3 Ultra, BUS 2000 MHz, serial ATA RAID, 7.1 zvuk, DDR 400, 1Gps, FireWire, Firewall, ATX 2
EPOX, s. 939, 9NDA3J, nForce 3 Ultra, BUS 2000 MHz, serial ATA RAID, 7.1 zvuk, DDR 400, 1Gps, ATX 2
ECS KV2 Lite, s939, VIA K8T800 Pro, AGP, SATA, RAID, LAN
Why is the Asrock Dual VSTA not on this list?
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...-VSTA&s=775
And the 4-core version:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...-VSTA&s=775
I have installed win-98 on the dual-vsta - the only thing I can't get working is the HD audio chip (ALC888). I don't know if I can get AC97 audio working either.
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...-VSTA&s=775
And the 4-core version:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...-VSTA&s=775
I have installed win-98 on the dual-vsta - the only thing I can't get working is the HD audio chip (ALC888). I don't know if I can get AC97 audio working either.
I have a 4CoreDual-VSTA too, with 98 running fine. I never found the problem with onboard sound as I have a sound card.
I have not been able to install the VIA drivers, even when I downloaded one 4:1 specifically for Win98, but it is working well enough for now on the native drivers.
I have not been able to install the VIA drivers, even when I downloaded one 4:1 specifically for Win98, but it is working well enough for now on the native drivers.
> I have not been able to install the VIA drivers, even when I downloaded one 4:1 specifically for Win98
I found that this worked fine on the dual-core VSTA:
VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package
http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/VIA_HyperionPro_V512A.zip
> but it is working well enough for now on the native drivers.
Native drivers?
Were there some on the CD that came with the motherboard? (I didn't look at mine).
I found that this worked fine on the dual-core VSTA:
VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package
http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/VIA_HyperionPro_V512A.zip
> but it is working well enough for now on the native drivers.
Native drivers?
Were there some on the CD that came with the motherboard? (I didn't look at mine).
QUOTE (98 Guy @ Jul 25 2007, 02:28 PM)
Native drivers?
Were there some on the CD that came with the motherboard? (I didn't look at mine).
Were there some on the CD that came with the motherboard? (I didn't look at mine).
No, the buit-in drivers on the Windows CD. The hard disc controllers are working, but not the onboard LAN yet.
I could not find any 98 drivers on the motherboard CD.
> > Were there some on the CD that came with the motherboard?
>
> No, the buit-in drivers on the Windows CD. The hard disc controllers
> are working, but not the onboard LAN yet.
So you're saying that VIA drivers from 1998 are compatible with a VIA chipset from 2006?
You should look to see if your hard drives are being accessed in "DOS compatibility mode".
>
> No, the buit-in drivers on the Windows CD. The hard disc controllers
> are working, but not the onboard LAN yet.
So you're saying that VIA drivers from 1998 are compatible with a VIA chipset from 2006?
You should look to see if your hard drives are being accessed in "DOS compatibility mode".
Hmmm .....
From my experience, VIA based boards works fine with win98 ... The last successfull win98 install I did was on MSI K9MMV with a sata hdd.
One wil have to enable compatibility mode for the sata interface and it will run fine with win98. The MSI board was using an agp card so that's not a problem. I patched a lite nvidia driver that only installs the driver portions minus utilities and it seems to works good till now ...
Performance between ide and sata drives on win98 completed installs seems to be similar. Perhaps because of the faster processor and faster sata hdd performance ...
I will be building another with Asus M2V (pci-e) and from what I've read and heard so far, it will work with win98.
I have stayed away from nforce chipsets all this while for this one reason, compatibility with win98 and dos. I still have to perform daily tasks with these two as I need low-level hardware access for certain devices ...
Rgds
From my experience, VIA based boards works fine with win98 ... The last successfull win98 install I did was on MSI K9MMV with a sata hdd.
One wil have to enable compatibility mode for the sata interface and it will run fine with win98. The MSI board was using an agp card so that's not a problem. I patched a lite nvidia driver that only installs the driver portions minus utilities and it seems to works good till now ...
Performance between ide and sata drives on win98 completed installs seems to be similar. Perhaps because of the faster processor and faster sata hdd performance ...
I will be building another with Asus M2V (pci-e) and from what I've read and heard so far, it will work with win98.
I have stayed away from nforce chipsets all this while for this one reason, compatibility with win98 and dos. I still have to perform daily tasks with these two as I need low-level hardware access for certain devices ...
Rgds
> From my experience, VIA based boards works fine with win98 ...
I'm not arguing about that.
What I'm saying is that you'll probably find better drivers at the VIA website vs the old legacy drivers that are on the win-98 CD.
> The last successfull win98 install I did was on MSI K9MMV with a sata hdd.
Was the SATA drive being used in IDE-remap mode?
> One wil have to enable compatibility mode for the sata interface
> and it will run fine with win98.
As long as the drive is less than 128 gb in size. When you enable IDE-remap mode in the BIOS, win-98 will see the drive as an ordinary IDE drive and it will use ESDI_506.PDR to access the drive. If the drive is larger than 128 gb, the drive will get screwed up the first time windows tries to access it past the 128 gb point.
I'm not arguing about that.
What I'm saying is that you'll probably find better drivers at the VIA website vs the old legacy drivers that are on the win-98 CD.
> The last successfull win98 install I did was on MSI K9MMV with a sata hdd.
Was the SATA drive being used in IDE-remap mode?
> One wil have to enable compatibility mode for the sata interface
> and it will run fine with win98.
As long as the drive is less than 128 gb in size. When you enable IDE-remap mode in the BIOS, win-98 will see the drive as an ordinary IDE drive and it will use ESDI_506.PDR to access the drive. If the drive is larger than 128 gb, the drive will get screwed up the first time windows tries to access it past the 128 gb point.
have anyone tried ASRock ALiveSATA2-GLAN with win98 ?
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveSATA2-GLAN
it seems to be allmost the same as ASUS M2V
(but "K8T890 CF" instead of "K8T890" ?)
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveSATA2-GLAN
it seems to be allmost the same as ASUS M2V
(but "K8T890 CF" instead of "K8T890" ?)
Hello Rjecina. I can confirm that the Gigabyte GA-VM900M R1.0 board has working IDE & VGA drivers under windows 98SE.
I used your link http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=189 and also used the hyperion Pro driver on the driver CD that came with the Gigabyte board. While there are some ! errors on PCI and other unnecessary devices in device manager, it all appears to work.. except sound but I don't think I will bother with that! I am running truecolour in 1024x760. I am not trying any 3d games though.
Thanks for your suggestion about using the Win98 VIA® Chrome9 HC Graphics driver for VIA P4M900. You were right.
I used your link http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=189 and also used the hyperion Pro driver on the driver CD that came with the Gigabyte board. While there are some ! errors on PCI and other unnecessary devices in device manager, it all appears to work.. except sound but I don't think I will bother with that! I am running truecolour in 1024x760. I am not trying any 3d games though.
Thanks for your suggestion about using the Win98 VIA® Chrome9 HC Graphics driver for VIA P4M900. You were right.
Sound problem for this Gigabyte MBO is very easy .
If normal PCI (no PCI express) is working OK you need only to buy sound card.
On http://www.cmedia.com.tw/?q=en/driver you can see which sound cards support Windows 98
This are CMI 8768/8768+ and CMI 8738. Sound card CMI 8738 is possible to buy for 10 US dollars or less
If normal PCI (no PCI express) is working OK you need only to buy sound card.
On http://www.cmedia.com.tw/?q=en/driver you can see which sound cards support Windows 98
This are CMI 8768/8768+ and CMI 8738. Sound card CMI 8738 is possible to buy for 10 US dollars or less
SiS is having interesting chipsets. Like example I will use chipset SIS® 662&964 with IGP. ECS has around that created MBO 662/1066T-M2 which is supporting Core 2 Duo processor.
For this MBO is possible to download this Windows 98 drivers on ECS website: SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, SIS SATA/RAID driver, RealTek Codec Sound on board driver, SiS Compatible VGA Multimedia Driver. All in all this are all needed drivers for MBO to work on Windows 98 SE (only new needed drivers are for USB 2.0)
It is important to say that on that MBO only working solution is IGP card (with 128 MB ram) because no other GPU card will work with Windows 98.
Similar situation is with SiS - ECS solution for AMD. Name of socket AM2 MBO is 761GXM-M. ECS site is giving Windows 98 SE drivers for SiS AGP VxD Driver, SiS180/181/182 Raid Driver, RealTek Codec Sound on board driver so it look that this will work with Windows 98 SE
For this MBO is possible to download this Windows 98 drivers on ECS website: SIS 900 PCI Fast Ethernet Adapter, SIS SATA/RAID driver, RealTek Codec Sound on board driver, SiS Compatible VGA Multimedia Driver. All in all this are all needed drivers for MBO to work on Windows 98 SE (only new needed drivers are for USB 2.0)
It is important to say that on that MBO only working solution is IGP card (with 128 MB ram) because no other GPU card will work with Windows 98.
Similar situation is with SiS - ECS solution for AMD. Name of socket AM2 MBO is 761GXM-M. ECS site is giving Windows 98 SE drivers for SiS AGP VxD Driver, SiS180/181/182 Raid Driver, RealTek Codec Sound on board driver so it look that this will work with Windows 98 SE
I'm reposting this (it was posted in alt.windows98 and microsoft.public.win98.gen_discussion on August 16)
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> MSI K8M890M-V Socket 939 Micro-ATX anybody using it?
Looks like you'll be able to get it functional in win-98 by downloading the via drivers from here:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110
Specifically:
http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/VIA_HyperionPro_V512A.zip
(VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package)
That board has PCI and PCI-e slots. You won't be able to get a pci-e video card running on win-98, so you'll have to find a PCI video card.
If you are a die-hard AMD fan, you might want to look at this board:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...-VSTA&s=939
(Asrock 939Dual-VSTA)
It uses the ULi M1695 chipset, which seems to have win-98 support:
http://www.uli.com.tw/eng/support/drivers.php
(Note that ULi was purchased by NVidia in Dec. 2005)
Otherwise, you might want to look at this board:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-VSTA
(Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA)
It uses the VIA PT880 Ultra Chipset (same link as above for the drivers). It can take DDR and DDR-2 memory, and it has a PCI-e ->AND<- AGP-8x slots. The downside to this board is that you won't get the audio working so you'll have to use a separate sound card.
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> MSI K8M890M-V Socket 939 Micro-ATX anybody using it?
Looks like you'll be able to get it functional in win-98 by downloading the via drivers from here:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110
Specifically:
http://www.viaarena.com/Driver/VIA_HyperionPro_V512A.zip
(VIA Hyperion Pro Driver Package)
That board has PCI and PCI-e slots. You won't be able to get a pci-e video card running on win-98, so you'll have to find a PCI video card.
If you are a die-hard AMD fan, you might want to look at this board:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...-VSTA&s=939
(Asrock 939Dual-VSTA)
It uses the ULi M1695 chipset, which seems to have win-98 support:
http://www.uli.com.tw/eng/support/drivers.php
(Note that ULi was purchased by NVidia in Dec. 2005)
Otherwise, you might want to look at this board:
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=4COREDUAL-VSTA
(Asrock 4CoreDual-VSTA)
It uses the VIA PT880 Ultra Chipset (same link as above for the drivers). It can take DDR and DDR-2 memory, and it has a PCI-e ->AND<- AGP-8x slots. The downside to this board is that you won't get the audio working so you'll have to use a separate sound card.
From my experience the ASRock 939S56-M motherboard works well with Windows 98SE. It takes socket 939 processors including AMD's dual core. It uses PCI Express. PCI Express graphics cards have worked fine when i've tried them with Windows 98SE.
I have had no trouble using NVIDIA PCI Express graphics cards with Windows 98SE, as long as you use the Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Drivers for Windows 98 and ME.
QUOTE (98 Guy @ Sep 2 2007, 07:55 AM)
You won't be able to get a pci-e video card running on win-98, so you'll have to find a PCI video card.
I have had no trouble using NVIDIA PCI Express graphics cards with Windows 98SE, as long as you use the Tweaked Unofficial NVIDIA Display Drivers for Windows 98 and ME.
I haven't used the ECS Geforce 6100SM-M V1.0, but see the Customer Review by 'electrical-warehouse' at
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motherboard-Geforc...t/dp/B000OBTSW6
This is available in the US, for instance, at http://www.outletpc.com/c3504.html for $59.95
If you are having trouble with Win98 with over 512MB of RAM, see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...kb;en-us;253912
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Motherboard-Geforc...t/dp/B000OBTSW6
This is available in the US, for instance, at http://www.outletpc.com/c3504.html for $59.95
If you are having trouble with Win98 with over 512MB of RAM, see
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?...kb;en-us;253912
Hi all.
One of the reasons for running Windows 98 SE on new hardware is the best-possible support for DOS as well as driver support for older or special hardware, especially in the industrial / embedded world. However, often, old special purpose hardware does also require an ISA slot, which has become a rare gem on modern mainboards.
Personally, I run DR-DOS 7.08 and Windows 98 SE (besides a host of other operating systems) on a Commell P4LA Rev D BIOS 2.1 industrial mainboard, equipped with Core2D E6600 SL9S8 2.4GHz and 4x1 GB RAM.
http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/P4LA.HTM
- Intel 945G PCI-Express chipset & ICH7R chipset (RAID + Matrix storage support)
- CPU Intel Core2D, Pentium D, Pentium 4, Celeron D (no EE editions) with 800/1066 MHz FSB, LGA 775 socket
- lots of BIOS config settings
- 4x 240-pin DDR2 533/667 RAM slot for up to 4 GB of RAM (of course, Windows 98 SE can only use a fraction of it, but still)
- 1x 16-bit ISA slot
- 4x 32-bit PCI slots
- 1x PCIe slot 4x
- 1x PCIe slot 1x
- 1x PCIe slot 16x
- Onboard VGA (Intel GMA 950) with 224MB shared memory (no driver support for Windows 98 SE, so only standard VGA resolution under Windows)
- PATA: 2x EIDE/ATAPI UDMA100 devices or a 40-pin DOM (disk-on-memory)
- SATA: 4x SATA-II (modern OSes support all 6 channels simultanously, whilst only up to 4 of them can be used under Windows 98 SE. I'm quite confident that - with a little bit of tweaking - all six channels could be made work in DOS and thus in Windows 98 SE as well, although most probably not at full speed.)
- Marvell E8053 Yukon Gigabit LAN (DOS and Windows 98 SE drivers exist, but I could not get 7.14.1.3 to run so far, so I use an Intel PRO 1000 GT PCI Gigabit LAN addon card. For me, the Yukon driver either hangs or crashes during Windows startup.)
- Audio Realtek ALC880 HDaudio with S/P-DIF (no DOS and Windows 98 SE drivers exist to the best of my knowledge.)
- 1x 32-pin DIP JEDEC DiskOnChip socket
- 1x CF-Card slot Type II
- 8x USB 2.0
- 5x RS232, one of them configurable as IrDA
- 1x RS232/422/485 port
- 1x LPT incl. ECP/EPP
- 2x FDD (up to 2,88 ED disks, but without 3mode support)
- 1x PS/2 keyboard
- 1x PS/2 mouse
- 8x user programmable digital I/O ports
- configurable hardware watchdog
Since no Windows 98 SE drivers exist for the GMA 950 onboard graphics (or at least I could not find any), I installed an ATI All-in-Wonder X800XL PCIe DVB-T/PAL 256MB (100-714502) graphics card into the PCIe 16x slot. I think, this video card is one of the latest, for which Windows 98 SE drivers are still available: Catalyst 6.2 as of 2006-02-09. This driver suite officially supports only the Radeon 9800, 9700, 9600, 9500, 9200, 9100, 9000, 8500, 7500, 7200, 7000 and Xpress 200 series (incl. All-in-Wonder variants of them). However, it also provides beta support for the Radeon X850, X800, X600, X550 and X300 series (but not for the All-in-Wonder-variants of them). Trying to install these drivers, the automatic installation will detect an "incompatible card", but if you install the drivers manually, it is still possible to use the video card in all resolutions, with dual monitor support and as 3D graphics card. So far, I was not able to get the TV Tuner running, and the driver for the Remote Wonder Plus remote control causes a non-fatal protection fault at startup.
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/de/98me...onaiw-98me.html
In regard to 945G chipset driver support. Intel does not officially provide Windows 98 SE drivers for them, but manually installing assorted generation 8xx drivers from various packages, I was able to find working drivers for most components. Only very few yellow "!" can be found in device manager:
- Other components:
-- ! PCI card
-- ! PCI RAID controller (not essential for operation, see below)
- Audio, Video, Game controllers:
-- ! ATI WDM TV Tuner (I still have some hope to get it working)
- System components:
-- ! PCI standard ISA bridge (secondary) [the primary PCI standard ISA bridge works] (not essential for operation).
EDIT: With the updated Intel drivers from http://windows98.ic.cz it now shows up as: "Intel® 82801GB/GR (ICH7
family) LPC Interface Controller - 27B8". The yellow "!" did not vanish, however...
- Universal serial bus controllers:
-- ! ATI RemoteWonder Plus (I still have some hope to get it working)
Since RAID works on BIOS+hardware level, having no RAID drivers for Windows 98 SE is not much of a problem, unless someone would need maximum harddisk performance. In my case, my focus is more on reliability. Therefore I use RAID 1 for redundancy, and only a small section of the drive matrix as RAID 0 (for cache files). Recommended harddisks for RAID are Western Digital *YS RE2 SATA harddisks, where the 15s read timeout can be disabled using the TLER utility. In case there would be a RAID fault under Windows 98 SE, one would require another operating system such as Windows 2000 or XP in order to rebuild the RAID. However, basis setup does not require any drivers or tools at all and can be done from within the BIOS.
I hope this information may help some people to find a mostly DOS and Windows 98 SE compatible modern, flexible, and highly reliable industrial grade mainboard with support for PCIe, PCI and ISA at the same time.
Greetings,
Matthias
One of the reasons for running Windows 98 SE on new hardware is the best-possible support for DOS as well as driver support for older or special hardware, especially in the industrial / embedded world. However, often, old special purpose hardware does also require an ISA slot, which has become a rare gem on modern mainboards.
Personally, I run DR-DOS 7.08 and Windows 98 SE (besides a host of other operating systems) on a Commell P4LA Rev D BIOS 2.1 industrial mainboard, equipped with Core2D E6600 SL9S8 2.4GHz and 4x1 GB RAM.
http://www.commell.com.tw/Product/SBC/P4LA.HTM
- Intel 945G PCI-Express chipset & ICH7R chipset (RAID + Matrix storage support)
- CPU Intel Core2D, Pentium D, Pentium 4, Celeron D (no EE editions) with 800/1066 MHz FSB, LGA 775 socket
- lots of BIOS config settings
- 4x 240-pin DDR2 533/667 RAM slot for up to 4 GB of RAM (of course, Windows 98 SE can only use a fraction of it, but still)
- 1x 16-bit ISA slot
- 4x 32-bit PCI slots
- 1x PCIe slot 4x
- 1x PCIe slot 1x
- 1x PCIe slot 16x
- Onboard VGA (Intel GMA 950) with 224MB shared memory (no driver support for Windows 98 SE, so only standard VGA resolution under Windows)
- PATA: 2x EIDE/ATAPI UDMA100 devices or a 40-pin DOM (disk-on-memory)
- SATA: 4x SATA-II (modern OSes support all 6 channels simultanously, whilst only up to 4 of them can be used under Windows 98 SE. I'm quite confident that - with a little bit of tweaking - all six channels could be made work in DOS and thus in Windows 98 SE as well, although most probably not at full speed.)
- Marvell E8053 Yukon Gigabit LAN (DOS and Windows 98 SE drivers exist, but I could not get 7.14.1.3 to run so far, so I use an Intel PRO 1000 GT PCI Gigabit LAN addon card. For me, the Yukon driver either hangs or crashes during Windows startup.)
- Audio Realtek ALC880 HDaudio with S/P-DIF (no DOS and Windows 98 SE drivers exist to the best of my knowledge.)
- 1x 32-pin DIP JEDEC DiskOnChip socket
- 1x CF-Card slot Type II
- 8x USB 2.0
- 5x RS232, one of them configurable as IrDA
- 1x RS232/422/485 port
- 1x LPT incl. ECP/EPP
- 2x FDD (up to 2,88 ED disks, but without 3mode support)
- 1x PS/2 keyboard
- 1x PS/2 mouse
- 8x user programmable digital I/O ports
- configurable hardware watchdog
Since no Windows 98 SE drivers exist for the GMA 950 onboard graphics (or at least I could not find any), I installed an ATI All-in-Wonder X800XL PCIe DVB-T/PAL 256MB (100-714502) graphics card into the PCIe 16x slot. I think, this video card is one of the latest, for which Windows 98 SE drivers are still available: Catalyst 6.2 as of 2006-02-09. This driver suite officially supports only the Radeon 9800, 9700, 9600, 9500, 9200, 9100, 9000, 8500, 7500, 7200, 7000 and Xpress 200 series (incl. All-in-Wonder variants of them). However, it also provides beta support for the Radeon X850, X800, X600, X550 and X300 series (but not for the All-in-Wonder-variants of them). Trying to install these drivers, the automatic installation will detect an "incompatible card", but if you install the drivers manually, it is still possible to use the video card in all resolutions, with dual monitor support and as 3D graphics card. So far, I was not able to get the TV Tuner running, and the driver for the Remote Wonder Plus remote control causes a non-fatal protection fault at startup.
http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/de/98me...onaiw-98me.html
In regard to 945G chipset driver support. Intel does not officially provide Windows 98 SE drivers for them, but manually installing assorted generation 8xx drivers from various packages, I was able to find working drivers for most components. Only very few yellow "!" can be found in device manager:
- Other components:
-- ! PCI card
-- ! PCI RAID controller (not essential for operation, see below)
- Audio, Video, Game controllers:
-- ! ATI WDM TV Tuner (I still have some hope to get it working)
- System components:
-- ! PCI standard ISA bridge (secondary) [the primary PCI standard ISA bridge works] (not essential for operation).
EDIT: With the updated Intel drivers from http://windows98.ic.cz it now shows up as: "Intel® 82801GB/GR (ICH7
family) LPC Interface Controller - 27B8". The yellow "!" did not vanish, however...
- Universal serial bus controllers:
-- ! ATI RemoteWonder Plus (I still have some hope to get it working)
Since RAID works on BIOS+hardware level, having no RAID drivers for Windows 98 SE is not much of a problem, unless someone would need maximum harddisk performance. In my case, my focus is more on reliability. Therefore I use RAID 1 for redundancy, and only a small section of the drive matrix as RAID 0 (for cache files). Recommended harddisks for RAID are Western Digital *YS RE2 SATA harddisks, where the 15s read timeout can be disabled using the TLER utility. In case there would be a RAID fault under Windows 98 SE, one would require another operating system such as Windows 2000 or XP in order to rebuild the RAID. However, basis setup does not require any drivers or tools at all and can be done from within the BIOS.
I hope this information may help some people to find a mostly DOS and Windows 98 SE compatible modern, flexible, and highly reliable industrial grade mainboard with support for PCIe, PCI and ISA at the same time.
Greetings,
Matthias
QUOTE (teddy123 @ Jul 27 2007, 10:38 AM)
have anyone tried ASRock ALiveSATA2-GLAN with win98 ?
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveSATA2-GLAN
it seems to be allmost the same as ASUS M2V
(but "K8T890 CF" instead of "K8T890" ?)
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveSATA2-GLAN
it seems to be allmost the same as ASUS M2V
(but "K8T890 CF" instead of "K8T890" ?)
According to the review at http://www.digit-life.com/articles2/mainbo...m2v-k8t890.html
"ASRock ALiveSATA2-GLAN is based on the same K8T890 chipset as the system board being examined in this article [Asus M2V]. Taking into consideration that the two companies are more than related, one may wonder why they would release models that are similar"
It has been ulmost 6 months from first MBO list and now is time for new list because many things has changed.
AM2 Motherboards for Athlon 64 and Sempron which can work with Windows 98 SE:
ASRock AM2NF3-VSTA (chipset nvidia 3). This is old AGP type of MBO which is having Windows Vista logo. Users will be without sound in Windows 98 SE if they do not buy sound card
Gigabyte MF3 (chipset nvidia 3). FSB of this MBO is only 800. Because of that Semprons will work 100 % OK but Athlon 64 which needs FSB 1000 will work 20 % lower of what is possible.
MSI K9MM-V (chipset Via K8M800) is old AGP type of MBO.
Foxconn K8M890M2MA-RS2H (chipset Via K8M890). This is PCI Express MBO !! She can work with Windows 98 SE only if we use integrated GPU on MBO. This GPU is having direct X 9.0 support and motherboard is having Windows Vista logo.
ECS K8M890M-M (chipset Via K8M890). Similar like Foxconn version.
Windows 98 SE drivers for all this MBO will be needed to download from chipset producers sites.
Links are:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=164 for K8M890 GPU
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110 for all Via chipset
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_udp_win9x_4.27.html For Nvidia 3
Next month I will write something similar about Core 2 Duo motherboards
AM2 Motherboards for Athlon 64 and Sempron which can work with Windows 98 SE:
ASRock AM2NF3-VSTA (chipset nvidia 3). This is old AGP type of MBO which is having Windows Vista logo. Users will be without sound in Windows 98 SE if they do not buy sound card
Gigabyte MF3 (chipset nvidia 3). FSB of this MBO is only 800. Because of that Semprons will work 100 % OK but Athlon 64 which needs FSB 1000 will work 20 % lower of what is possible.
MSI K9MM-V (chipset Via K8M800) is old AGP type of MBO.
Foxconn K8M890M2MA-RS2H (chipset Via K8M890). This is PCI Express MBO !! She can work with Windows 98 SE only if we use integrated GPU on MBO. This GPU is having direct X 9.0 support and motherboard is having Windows Vista logo.
ECS K8M890M-M (chipset Via K8M890). Similar like Foxconn version.
Windows 98 SE drivers for all this MBO will be needed to download from chipset producers sites.
Links are:
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=164 for K8M890 GPU
http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110 for all Via chipset
http://www.nvidia.com/object/nforce_udp_win9x_4.27.html For Nvidia 3
Next month I will write something similar about Core 2 Duo motherboards
Amazon is selling new motherboard on which Windows 98 SE is working. This is:
MSI K9MM-V
Link is http://www.amazon.com/Motherboard-U-atx-Du...1996&sr=8-1
I have not expected to find new Windows 98 SE MBO on Amazon
MSI K9MM-V
Link is http://www.amazon.com/Motherboard-U-atx-Du...1996&sr=8-1
I have not expected to find new Windows 98 SE MBO on Amazon
Reading this forum I understand that windows 98 can work on :
Asrock 775Dual-VSTA
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...al-VSTA&s=n
Even if I was not able to find this motherboard in local stores. (Italy)
Can anyone tell opinions if windows 98 could possibly work also on:
Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...l-SATA2&s=n
This motherboard that can be more easily found and supports Sata2.
What kind of problems there are with Sata 2 and windows 98?
Thank in advance to everyone that can help and thanks especially to the ones that already did put very good information on here.
Asrock 775Dual-VSTA
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...al-VSTA&s=n
Even if I was not able to find this motherboard in local stores. (Italy)
Can anyone tell opinions if windows 98 could possibly work also on:
Asrock 4CoreDual-SATA2
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Mode...l-SATA2&s=n
This motherboard that can be more easily found and supports Sata2.
What kind of problems there are with Sata 2 and windows 98?
Thank in advance to everyone that can help and thanks especially to the ones that already did put very good information on here.
My current mobo running Win98SE (and DOS, XP, Debian, ...)
Asus P5LD2
-support for Core2 CPU (newer revisions), I use E6400@2,4GHz
-PCI-E/PCI
-intel 945 + ICH7R
-additional onboard IDE ITE8211 = up to 6 PATA devices! (fully utilized by 3 optical drives, 2 HDDs, 1 ZIP 100MB)
-4 DIMM slots (I use 2x512MB DDRII 667MHz in dualchannel)
I managed to install Win98SE without serious problems. I installed official drivers for ITE8211 IDE, Marvell Yukon LAN, modified drivers for nVidia 7600GS PCIE, unofficial USB2.0 drivers included in nUSB 3.0 & 3.2, modified intel INF files. In device manager left only one unknown device called "motherboard resources" but it's OK. I didn't tested SATA yet (currently have all on PATA) and I don't use onboard sound because of better SB Live!
Remaining issues:
-SB emulation driver doesn't work under DOS and Win98 (only possibility for dos games is some kind of emulation - DOSBOX, VDMSound (XP), DOSEMU (Linux))
-Windows 98 hangs during shutdows process (bad combination with nvidia) and I have to use restart and shutdown manually
-This crap boasts with overclocking features but it have very bad behavior when FSB exceed about 320MHz, then on all restarts the system is going power off and on within 2 seconds which I belive doesn't prolong life of HDDs. But I fixed this issue by HW-modding - I inserted an asymmetric delay circuit in PSON ATX supply signal to avoid shutdowns when signal goes high shorter than 2 sec.
Asus P5LD2
-support for Core2 CPU (newer revisions), I use E6400@2,4GHz
-PCI-E/PCI
-intel 945 + ICH7R
-additional onboard IDE ITE8211 = up to 6 PATA devices! (fully utilized by 3 optical drives, 2 HDDs, 1 ZIP 100MB)
-4 DIMM slots (I use 2x512MB DDRII 667MHz in dualchannel)
I managed to install Win98SE without serious problems. I installed official drivers for ITE8211 IDE, Marvell Yukon LAN, modified drivers for nVidia 7600GS PCIE, unofficial USB2.0 drivers included in nUSB 3.0 & 3.2, modified intel INF files. In device manager left only one unknown device called "motherboard resources" but it's OK. I didn't tested SATA yet (currently have all on PATA) and I don't use onboard sound because of better SB Live!
Remaining issues:
-SB emulation driver doesn't work under DOS and Win98 (only possibility for dos games is some kind of emulation - DOSBOX, VDMSound (XP), DOSEMU (Linux))
-Windows 98 hangs during shutdows process (bad combination with nvidia) and I have to use restart and shutdown manually
-This crap boasts with overclocking features but it have very bad behavior when FSB exceed about 320MHz, then on all restarts the system is going power off and on within 2 seconds which I belive doesn't prolong life of HDDs. But I fixed this issue by HW-modding - I inserted an asymmetric delay circuit in PSON ATX supply signal to avoid shutdowns when signal goes high shorter than 2 sec.
Yes 4CoreDual-SATA2 will work with Windows 98 SE but you will need to have look very good about GPU.
In my thinking this MBO is maybe having problem GPU. I do not know if problem is with Nvidia or ATI.
In the end this will not be your problem because you will buy is shop PC with MBO and GPU and then they will connect that. If it is not working then this will become shop problem (they will need to change GPU)
I think that best possible GPU which is supporting Windows 98 SE is Nvidia GeForce 6 series (Nvidia 6x00) because it is using pixel shader 3.0 . Other possibility is ATI Radeon 9550, 9600 or 9800 (they support only pixel shader 2.0). They all must be AGP or you will have problems
You will need Windows 98 SE drivers for your 4CoreDual-SATA2.
here are chipset drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110
here are IDE-SATA drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=143
here are sound drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=104 (I think that this will not work ??) It will be best to buy separate sound card which is supporting Windows 98 SE
I have writen here links for drivers because they are not on ASRock site.
In my thinking this MBO is maybe having problem GPU. I do not know if problem is with Nvidia or ATI.
In the end this will not be your problem because you will buy is shop PC with MBO and GPU and then they will connect that. If it is not working then this will become shop problem (they will need to change GPU)
I think that best possible GPU which is supporting Windows 98 SE is Nvidia GeForce 6 series (Nvidia 6x00) because it is using pixel shader 3.0 . Other possibility is ATI Radeon 9550, 9600 or 9800 (they support only pixel shader 2.0). They all must be AGP or you will have problems
You will need Windows 98 SE drivers for your 4CoreDual-SATA2.
here are chipset drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...&CatID=1110
here are IDE-SATA drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=143
here are sound drivers: http://www.viaarena.com/default.aspx?PageI...mp;SubCatID=104 (I think that this will not work ??) It will be best to buy separate sound card which is supporting Windows 98 SE
I have writen here links for drivers because they are not on ASRock site.
This isn't the latest and greatest of boards, but the MicroStar MS-6378 runs 98se very well. It's a Socket A, takes PC133, ATA100, built in sound, video, ethernet, USB. I have one with a Duron 900 and it runs 98se very well.
The only strike against it is it has no AGP slot and stupid Windows sees the onboard video even when it's disabled in BIOS. Can't actually disable it, but choose zero for the frame buffer, and it has a (!) on it in device manager when set to zero.
The only strike against it is it has no AGP slot and stupid Windows sees the onboard video even when it's disabled in BIOS. Can't actually disable it, but choose zero for the frame buffer, and it has a (!) on it in device manager when set to zero.
Hello!
Here is an interesting new "dual" mb for AMD Phenom X4/X2 from ASRock
based on NVidia nForce3 250 and NVIDIA (ULi/ALi) M1695
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveDual-eSATA2
http://www.asrock.com/news/show.asp?id=113
It supports both PCIe x16 and AGP 8X!
Does nForce3 250 chipset work ok with Windows 98 ?
Roman
Here is an interesting new "dual" mb for AMD Phenom X4/X2 from ASRock
based on NVidia nForce3 250 and NVIDIA (ULi/ALi) M1695
http://www.asrock.com/mb/overview.asp?Model=ALiveDual-eSATA2
http://www.asrock.com/news/show.asp?id=113
It supports both PCIe x16 and AGP 8X!
Does nForce3 250 chipset work ok with Windows 98 ?
Roman
Yes Nvidia3 is working with Windows 98 SE without problem, but soundcard on this MBO will not work (in Windows 98SE).
To tell truth I think that there will be maybe problems with Uli1695 but it can work because here is download for Uli1695 and Windows 98 SE
http://www.nvidia.com/page/uli_drivers.html
Can you latter write if everything is working OK ?
To tell truth I think that there will be maybe problems with Uli1695 but it can work because here is download for Uli1695 and Windows 98 SE
http://www.nvidia.com/page/uli_drivers.html
Can you latter write if everything is working OK ?
I've been running Win98SE off and on (I use Win2K more often) on an ECS NFORCE3-A with nForce3 250 chipset for several months with no problems. But I just got a Foxconn 6150BK8MC-KRSHN2 with GeForce6150B/nForce430 chipset and can't find any nVidia support for Win98 there, so would appreciate any pointers (the fact that the ECS 6100/nForce405 board discussed earlier supports Win98SE would seem to suggest that some support might exist).
Thanks,
- bill
Edit: I hadn't found MDGx's description of his tweaked 82.69 driver when I posted the above, and now see that it claims to support the GeForce6150 - but it doesn't mention 6150 with nForce430, while it does mention the nForce4xx support in its 6100 list. So I'm wondering whether I'll still need Win98SE drivers for the non-graphics features of the chipset (disks, LAN, etc.): if they're not included in the 82.69 package, anyone know if they're available elsewhere?
Thanks again,
- bill
Thanks,
- bill
Edit: I hadn't found MDGx's description of his tweaked 82.69 driver when I posted the above, and now see that it claims to support the GeForce6150 - but it doesn't mention 6150 with nForce430, while it does mention the nForce4xx support in its 6100 list. So I'm wondering whether I'll still need Win98SE drivers for the non-graphics features of the chipset (disks, LAN, etc.): if they're not included in the 82.69 package, anyone know if they're available elsewhere?
Thanks again,
- bill
You need to find nForce430 drivers because it is southbridge. I want to say that nforce430 is controling SATA-PATA hard drive and DVD, sound card and other little things. GeForce6150 is controling "only" communication with CPU.
Short version is you must find drivers for nForce 430.
I do not believe that this drivers for Windows 98 SE exist but ....
Short version is you must find drivers for nForce 430.
I do not believe that this drivers for Windows 98 SE exist but ....
Hello!
I will - I do not have that mb (yet) ...
In the meantime, I was able to install Windows 98 SE on
Gigabyte 8I945GZME-RH. It has Intel chipset 945GZ and
the southbridge is ICH7 (82801GB). Because there is
no driver for onboard graphics, I put in PCI GeForce 6200.
OTOH, has anyone installed Win98SE on
Intel 965 motherboard (with ICH8) ?
Finally, there is an interesting (cheap) ABIT board with
new P35 Express chipset and old ICH7 instead of ICH9
southbridge - IP35V:
http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboar...ODEL_NAME=IP35V
http://www.digitimes.com/print/a20071203PD202.html
IMHO this one could be compatible with W98SE ...
Cheers, Roman
QUOTE (Rjecina @ Nov 21 2007, 05:55 PM)
Can you latter write if everything is working OK ?
I will - I do not have that mb (yet) ...
In the meantime, I was able to install Windows 98 SE on
Gigabyte 8I945GZME-RH. It has Intel chipset 945GZ and
the southbridge is ICH7 (82801GB). Because there is
no driver for onboard graphics, I put in PCI GeForce 6200.
OTOH, has anyone installed Win98SE on
Intel 965 motherboard (with ICH8) ?
Finally, there is an interesting (cheap) ABIT board with
new P35 Express chipset and old ICH7 instead of ICH9
southbridge - IP35V:
http://www2.abit.com.tw/page/en/motherboar...ODEL_NAME=IP35V
http://www.digitimes.com/print/a20071203PD202.html
QUOTE
... makers have employed several strategies including
the use of the older ICH7 southbridge on their P35
motherboards which is against Intel's official
specification ...
the use of the older ICH7 southbridge on their P35
motherboards which is against Intel's official
specification ...
IMHO this one could be compatible with W98SE ...
Cheers, Roman
What about the cheap Intel D201GLY?
I think there are Win98 drivers for the northbridge, southbridge, VGA, LAN and audio (non-Intel chipsets), but I don't know whether they work for sure.
More details here:
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/d201gly2
http://download.intel.com/products/motherb...201GLY2/tps.pdf
I think there are Win98 drivers for the northbridge, southbridge, VGA, LAN and audio (non-Intel chipsets), but I don't know whether they work for sure.
More details here:
http://www.logicsupply.com/products/d201gly2
http://download.intel.com/products/motherb...201GLY2/tps.pdf
QUOTE (Rjecina @ May 25 2007, 04:55 AM)
Bad thing in my thinking is that she do not support: "CPU Overheat Shutdown to Protect CPU Life". This is my only reason against this MBO.
I dunno about that, because that feature has existed at least since 2003! I would think that it supports it, because all processors newer than earlier 2002 should have a built-in thermal sensor.
Thus, this reminds me of motherboard manufacturers appearing to be slacking 5 years ago or around 5 years ago, when with AMD, despite the Athlon XPs having a thermal sensor, the motherboards still used the old school in-socket probe.
After looking site http://www.logicsupply.com/products/d201gly2
I can only tell you that this MBO support Windows 98 SE.
Reasons for that thinking is possibility to download from SiS site Windows 98 SE drivers for GPU, SATA and Raid on this MBO (chipset SiS662 and SiS964). For coming to this place you must visit this address
http://www.sis.com/download/agreement.php?url=/download/
In reality I do not like PCI Express chipsets (this is that chipset) but ....
I can only tell you that this MBO support Windows 98 SE.
Reasons for that thinking is possibility to download from SiS site Windows 98 SE drivers for GPU, SATA and Raid on this MBO (chipset SiS662 and SiS964). For coming to this place you must visit this address
http://www.sis.com/download/agreement.php?url=/download/
In reality I do not like PCI Express chipsets (this is that chipset) but ....
AsRock ConRoe865PE is not supporting "CPU Overheat Shutdown to Protect CPU Life" option. This is clear because in manual they have not writen anything about this "tehnology".
On other side in manual about AsRock 775i65G they are writing how MBO is supporting this option.
This writing about good stuff but not about bad (MBO is not supporting Overheat Shutdown) is marketing
You must not forget that AsRock is cheap because they use old tehnology.
On other side in manual about AsRock 775i65G they are writing how MBO is supporting this option.
This writing about good stuff but not about bad (MBO is not supporting Overheat Shutdown) is marketing
You must not forget that AsRock is cheap because they use old tehnology.
Thanks to Rjecina and all the helpful posters on this forum.
I have now a system based on Asrock 4coredual-sata2 -Intel core 2 quad processor -2 Gb of DDRII -
The problem was and still is to find a suitable compatible graphic card and I have it partially solved it by using an old (used and noisy) Ati Radeon 9600 on Agp.
Windows 98 seems running perfectly even if I am still at the beginning and I have not configured any vcache limit yet, only added "MaxPhysPage=40000" in system.ini under 386E nh,
also got some problem in recognizing the dvd disk which is placed on the secondary Master Ide.
(of course I am speaking about windows 98 - The DVD disk works in other Operating systems - for this reason it does not seem to be a problem due to a bad hardware configuration in the jumper or connections)
I will give a new post when I have solved my problems or/and (hopefully) after some time to inform how the motherboard is dealing with windows 98.
p.s If anyone has had and did solve a similar problem in dvd disk recognition under w98 or knows about a post in this forum about this kind of problem please let me know.
I have now a system based on Asrock 4coredual-sata2 -Intel core 2 quad processor -2 Gb of DDRII -
The problem was and still is to find a suitable compatible graphic card and I have it partially solved it by using an old (used and noisy) Ati Radeon 9600 on Agp.
Windows 98 seems running perfectly even if I am still at the beginning and I have not configured any vcache limit yet, only added "MaxPhysPage=40000" in system.ini under 386E nh,
also got some problem in recognizing the dvd disk which is placed on the secondary Master Ide.
(of course I am speaking about windows 98 - The DVD disk works in other Operating systems - for this reason it does not seem to be a problem due to a bad hardware configuration in the jumper or connections)
I will give a new post when I have solved my problems or/and (hopefully) after some time to inform how the motherboard is dealing with windows 98.
p.s If anyone has had and did solve a similar problem in dvd disk recognition under w98 or knows about a post in this forum about this kind of problem please let me know.
Compatibility update for Asrock 4coredual-sata2 -Intel core 2 quad processor -2 Gb of DDRII -and windows98
I have been able to use the disk drive only with the generic dos drive on the windows 98 disk following a microsoft installation procedure.
No way to read DVD for now.
And I got a new problem that did show up only after I started to install programs
someone on here may be able to help: It is not anymore possible to start dos under windows 98 cause I get out of memory message. -
I have limited the size of [vcache] in system.ini with this :
[vcache]
MinFileCache=40000
MaxFileCache=40000
and the memory with this in system.ini:
[386Enh]
MaxPhysPage=2CFFF
and I have tried various other settings for this entries with no results.
I have been able to use the disk drive only with the generic dos drive on the windows 98 disk following a microsoft installation procedure.
No way to read DVD for now.
And I got a new problem that did show up only after I started to install programs
someone on here may be able to help: It is not anymore possible to start dos under windows 98 cause I get out of memory message. -
I have limited the size of [vcache] in system.ini with this :
[vcache]
MinFileCache=40000
MaxFileCache=40000
and the memory with this in system.ini:
[386Enh]
MaxPhysPage=2CFFF
and I have tried various other settings for this entries with no results.
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