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  1. In my final install, after I have installed the following: Windows 98SE IE 6.0 SP1 MDIE6CU25E.EXE all the IBM Thinkpad device drivers. DirectX 9.0c dxtxtra.exe sesp30b3-en.exe 98SE2ME MDCU305E Then I install all my applications, installing the portable ones by merely copying the appropriate file folder. Then I use 98Lite to remove Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player, replacing WMP with the K-Lite codec pack and Media Player Classic. When I first noticed the problem it was on my working install, but I had saved the partition after I had done the basic 98SE2ME install and before I had added any other software, so I was easily able to go back to that point and try it, just by copying the partion to another HDD. The interesting thing is that I do NOT loose the toolbar just below the titlebar which contains the - File - Edit........-Help when I install the Standard version of Windows 98SE, even AFTER I use 98Lite to remove Internet Explorer and Windows Media Player! As the poster on the OpenOffice forum was using Windows 98FE, and I am having problems with 98SE2ME, apparently the problem is related to a file which is different in 98FE, 98SE, and 98SE2ME with the version which is in 98SE being the only version which does not cause the problem. The only reasons I use OpenOffice are to use Impress when I need to open a PowerPoint file which someone sends me, or to open a newer version of a Word or Excel document than Softmaker Office will handle. Using Impress to open Powerpoint files is not affected by the absence of the File edit toolbar, however, even though I can open a newer Office file than I can with Softmaker Office, with that toolbar unavailable, I cannot save it in an older Office format which I can use without access to the file save as command.
  2. In January I installed 98SE2ME on my IBM Thinkpad A22m(s) as follows. Windows 98SE IE 6.0 SP1 MDIE6CU25E.EXE all the IBM Thinkpad device drivers. DirectX 9.0c dxtxtra.exe sesp30b3-en.exe then 98SE2ME then MDCU305E (Which I believe containes nusb33) I then put Open Office on the machines as well as much other software. Open Office was installed as a portable app which means it was merely copied to the HDD to be run later when needed. As I am mostly using Softmaker Office for my wordprocessor and spreadsheet needs I had no need to open a file in Open Office up until a couple days ago when I needed to view a Powerpoint file. The toolbar just below the titlebar which contains the - File - Edit........-Help is just grey, not like an unpopulated toolbar gray, but just a flat grey bar like when things crash type of gray. This happens with both OpenOffice 2.02 and 2.41. I went back to the original install before I added any software and whenever I try to run Open Office I have the same problem, even when nothing else has been installed. I had no problem with with OpenOffice in Windows 98SE and there is no other program which I've run which does this, all the rest display the - File - Edit - etc toolbar normally. I even tried installing KernelEx on a test installation without changing the behavior of OpenOffice. What would or could cause only ONE program to do this in 98SE2ME????
  3. I plan to be using Win9x a decade from now. Windows Xp does not allow me to do anything which I need to do and cannot do in Win9x I will never install windows Vista/7 ad infinitium ad nasium. Most of the problems with Windows XP and later are design related. Win9x was the last Microsoft OS designed for stand alone computers, so it does not have the admin rights, permissions AND (the main cause of the virus proliferation) the ability to interconnect between other computers without additional software. Windows XP was based on the Windows NT kernel - BUT the Windows NT kernel was designed for corporate networked computers, and not standalone machines. When Microsoft decided to combine the Win9x and Windows NT lines into Windows XP, what really happened was merely adding a wider diversity of drivers to the corporate version of Windows and then calling it a desktop OS for individual computers, but regardless of what MS said, it was not an appropriate OS for stand alone computers which didn't need the Administration functions permissions essential on multi-networked computers. With Windows Vista, Microsoft again changed directions. Since, at the time they started work on Vista with their predatory practices they practically owned the office suite and browser market, they went looking for another BIG area where they thought they might be able to use their OS dominance to leverage an increased market share. They found one, the entertainment industry. Consequently, Windows Vista and later have been designed to use DRM to make the computer OS less changeable and modifiable than the typical set top box furnished by the cable companies. Just like the move to catering primarily to corporate WAN needs caused problems for the original stand alone computer users who allowed MS to achieve such a great Market dominance, the move toward catering to the needs of the entertainment industry and DRM is causing massive problems for their corporate users. The current "How great is Windows 7" is similar to the pre-release "How great is Windows Vista", just before Vista was released, but I think that when Windows 7 actually comes out and is used, it will be found that Windows 7 is little better that Vista, as it is basically Vista's emphases on DRM which was the cause of most of the problems with Vista. While Version 1.0 of almost all MS OS, historically had so many problems as to be often considered undesirable, this is not the case with Vista and even the later SP upgrades did not fix the problems, as they were concept related more than software related. Insofar as the demise of Windows Drivers for Win9x, I have always though the most likely cause was MS related - take down your Win9X drivers or you loose support - I came to this conclusion after I found HP printers which had shipped with Windows 98 Drivers in the box when they were the latest and greatest listed as not working in Windows 98 by HP, and drivers furnished by HP in the box with the printer not available for download if somebody lost their CD. As it is very easy and beneficial to their customers to leave the Win9X drivers on the site with a note that they are no longer supported, I think pressure from MS. Why might MS want to eliminate Win9x boxes? Because with Win9X and DOS you can perhaps do things to Vista which MS doesn't want you to be able to do. While I intend to move to Linux from Win9x rather than to Vista, I think Linus is more of a networked designed OS rather than a stand alone desktop type OS. For instance I believe that Linus uses TCP/IP for as their Ethernet protocol rather than NetBuei or Netware meaning that you cannot have a different protocol for your Ethernet than you do for your internet. I also think that there are admin rights and permissions in Linux similar to the stuff you find in XP and which have no place in a stand alone machine. The advantage in moving to Linux from Win9x seems to be similar to the advantage in moving to WinXP from Win9x, in both cases you have permissions and such so you can control access to various resources by software, rather than controlling access to resources by controlling access to the whole machine as you do with a stand alone desktop box. However, if you are going to Linux from XP, instead of Vista, it's all good, you still have the permissions but you do NOT have the DRM. I know little about Linux than what I have read, as I have never run it. As I do not do P2P, play games, or do anything with video (although I do heavy photo editing, and worked as a designer using CAD in the aerospace industry for many years) I find that an OS like Vista which requires more power to run the OS than any application I might run on it including the CAD programs and the high end photo editors - to be somewhat less then environmentally friendly. This does NOT include anything made by Adobe as the Photoshop related products produced by Adobe are the only programs I know of which could give MS lessons in how to write bloatware! Adobe has bought into DRM perhaps even more than MS - their goal with flash is to produce ads which HAVE to be fully run before you can see the web page content. Acrobat up to 5.1 did not allow the running of software from within a .pdf file, and I have never installed any later version pf Acrobat Reader. I have on occasion found pdf files with newer content which Acrobat reader 5.1 couldn't display but then I went to Foxit reader. Foxit reader 1.3 is the last version WITHOUT javascript support, and Foxit Reader 2.2 is the last version which does NOT have multimedia support. I have never been able to see how a format which was supposed to provide universal viewing and print support for a document needed to be able to run anything from within itself. Back in the old pre-computer days, you couldn't type something in your typewriter which would enable the letter to go over and turn on the TV when the appropriate page was turned to! I plan on running Win9x a decade from now, I have 9 of an identical model of Thinkpad, IIRC it was the second from last model which would run Win9x and as such, they will run any version of a MS OS from DOS 1.0 through WinXP SP3 (I only have WinXP SP2 and some pieces of SP3 as the full version of SP3 adds WGA), and I have Windows updated not merely turned off but removed. My computers don't automatically talk to Microsoft for any reason. I also have 3 sub notebooks of the same model which run Win9X. Whenever I see Win9X compatible items disappearing from the marketplace, I generally get several of whatever it is, so I have enough to keep the Thinkpads operating for a long time. I have just noticed that PS2 compatible keyboards have been disappearing so I got 3 more, as I had few which were PS2 AND USB compatible. 'Course, as I do not plan on upgrading to Vista/7 there is no need for me to buy new desktop machines or notebooks for a long time. As Microsoft has been concentrating on giving users less and less control, it means that on the later MS OSs, anything which is broke will stay broke unless MS fixes it, and we all know about their sterling performance in that area! I think that the reason for the decline in Win9x users is mainly due to software, when the latest versions of so many programs will not work under Win9X, and so many users have been "educated" to 'update' everything automatically. As they find the later version of whatever deluxe won't work with Win9x they finally bite the bullet and upgrade to XP, rather than staying with the last version of whatever deluxe which DOES work under Windows 9X, and figuring they do not need the 'upgrade' enough to switch from Win9x. I am running 98SE2ME, and then I used 98 Lite to remove IE and WMP ( I replace WMP with the K-lite codec pack and Media Player Classic) and I have never installed any version of Outlook. I have been running A Thinkpad A22m as my primary internet machine, connected over dial-up, with NO firewall and no antivirus and have not gotten Viruses or spyware since I first connected the machine to the Internet in January. I am using the Thinkpad as my primary machine for Office type applications and e-mail and internet access, and only turn on the big desktop when I am doing photo editing or CAD. I have a KVM switch to switch my monitor, keyboard and speakers between the desktop and the Thinkpad, and I figure I have saved a fairish amount of electricity since I have been doing it. In fact, I could run that machine on Linus as the only thing which keeps me tied to Windows is some of the photo editing and CAD software.
  4. Im running Windows 98SE (actually 98SE2ME) and two mice, one is a right hand mouse and one is left hander. Unfortunately, the scroll wheel does not work on the left hand mouse, forcing me to use the scroll bars for scrolling. I have three quick launch toolbars, one docked to the top, one docked to the left side of the screen and one docked to the right side of the screen. The quick launch toolbars are all set to autohide and always on top. When using an application in full screen mode, I frequently overshoot the inside edge of the up and down scroll bar, activating the quick launch toolbar on the right hand side of the screen. Is there any method of increasing the time the cursor must stay on the quick launch bar to activate it? If you had to have the cursor on the right side of the screen for somewhere between 1/2 sec and 1 sec before the quick launch toolbar came up, it would probably solve the problem.
  5. I use FastStone viewer. Another good thing is that it's a portable app, I can put it on a keychane drive and plug the drive into any computer runing any version of windows from 98SE to XP. I believe it also works on Vista, but I don't know as I will never install Vista OR Windows 7! This means That I have a image viewing and light editing program with which I'm familiar that I can use on anyone's computer! The lossless JPG rotate is also very nice, as most times when you edit a jpg, you lose some of the quality every time you save it again. I'm a published photographer and look for things like that.
  6. According to I installed WMP9 + the MP9URP9X update pack. This is a total clean install on a 10Gb HDD on a Thinkpad A22m. After I get the install working right, I will copy the partition to the drive I need it on and expand it's size if necessary. Normally, I use 98 Lite to remove IE and WMP 6.4 and replace WMP with the K-Lite codec pack and Media Player Classic. Up until trying to upgrade my 98SE to 98SE2ME, I had never installed a version of WMP above 6.4. 98Lite would not remove WMP9. How do you get rid of WMP9, leaving all the necessary updates to Direct Show and the security patches to other areas of Windows, excluding IE, Active Desktop, Web folders, Windows Update Net Meeting and any .NET components. It is not neccessary for me to have updates for the preceding, as they are gone! If my install of 98SE2ME is as above, do I even NEED any of the security patches in WMP9? I would prefer to not have any good reason (security questions) to install it at all! I could always install WMP9 with the updates, and then go through the \windows\system etc directories and copy the files to a subdirectory on a different HDD, and then reinstall the whole mess with the exception of WMP9, and then copy the files from the second HDD to where they needed to go - or I could If I could find out which Files I needed. Is there any list of files which WMP9 plus updates install which patch files necessary to the actual OS or which are necessary for playing files with other media players or browsers? -assuming that any such will not handle any form of DRM. I do not need any updates related to DRM, as I do not use such! I vote with my pocketbook, since I can never tell what DVDs have DRM, I merely buy them rarely - perhaps 3 in the last five years! When they quit putting DRM on DVDs, I might consider spending some money on them!
  7. Does "Networking" refer to a LAN, or the Internet. In 98SE I am using NetBUEI and am trying to use it as much in XP, which destroys NetBUEI if using from the backup HDD. If you have removed Outlook Express and IE via 98Lite (or XPLite if you are using XP) and do not run Microsoft Office, Access, or use an SQL database, will anything on your computer not work if you do not have MDAC?
  8. Does IE6SP1 or IS6SP1 Component Update 2.5 automatically install Outlook Express? I've NEVER had to install Outlook or Outlook Express in a 98SE install. Granted, MSoft may be up to it's usual tricks.
  9. I think that CDPlayer.exe is the only file you need. Try that, if not, I'll see again. Also its a very small app which merely brings up a list of the tracks on the CD - no playlist stuff. 'Parently it needs some .reg entries that I am unaware of. The Portable Apps people could probably get it to work. Fact, come to think of it, I have Reg Rapper, which converts a lot of non-portable apps to portable ones - works on both 98SE and XP. I can change all the various options - like display toolbar hide toolbar and such, so it probably will work OK in XP with the required reg entries. I have other several other audio players on my XP install. IIRC all are portable and work in both 98SE and XP. Don't think any have DRM - If I find out in the future that one of them does, I'll remove it.
  10. This was before Word 97 came out. By the time Word 97 came out, I already knew about the GUID removers, but just like viruses, not having GUIDs in the first place is far better than removing them later! Up until a couple years ago I used mainly used Wordperfect, which I had been using since V4.2 for DOS. WordPerfect is in my opinion, the best WORDprocessor made. Granted you could more easily put graphics and fancy borders etc in WORD, and reviewer after reviewer panned WordPerfect because it couldn't add eye candy as well as Word, But if you want to process WORDS and not eye candy, WordPerfect is better. I only went to OpenOffice recently (Which I don't like nearly much as WordPerfect and 1-2-3), because I found a Portable Version - software which does NOT need to be installed! (I still have WordPerfect on some computers, not the whole suite, just WordPerfect, along with Lotus 1-2-3 and Approach, again not the whole SmartSuite, just 1-2-3 and Approach, which is basically a front-end for DBase files. They aren't integrated - so what, never used the integration anyway!) Just imagine, if it was commercial software! People could put it on a thumb drive and only have one copy, which they could use on any computer they had! No more sticking people who own multiple computers for multiple copies, just so ONE person can use it where they need to! Microsoft, Adobe, Sony and Time-Warner are turning puce at the thought! However, what I really need is guidance on what needs to be done if you rip all the MSoft bundled and integrated apps out of 98SE2ME leaving just what is REALLY an OS!
  11. I never heard of them before! However I did a Google and can report that the last ones which work's on Win9x is Sound Blaster Live kX Driver 5.10.0.3542. I found it at http://www.opendrivers.com/driver/270741/c...e-download.html I downloaded it. Sound Blaster Live kX Driver 5.10.0.3543 and later only work on Windows 2000 or better. I also downloaded the latest driver I could find. I am still using the SB Live! 5.1 card as Creative removed the MIDI/Game port from the later ones, and I need the MIDI port.
  12. The Lite-On IDE DVD-RW has cables connected to both the 4-pin analog out and the 2-pin SPDIF out, which is connected to the Soundblaster Live! 5.1 Soundcard. The Plextor SATA DVD-RW does not have provisions for those cables as apparently the SATA feeds those types of signals over the SATA bus. As I can play CD Audio discs in either drive using other programs on that computer, I do not believe that this is the problem, and also do not see how not having the audio connected would do other than create an absence of sound. I do not see how having the audio cables not connected would lead to the CDPlayer claiming there was no disc in the drive! This problem occurs, after selecting a track and telling Windows XP to use CDPlayer.exe to play it. The CDPlayer panel comes up with the playlist blank, and then displays a box with the message. As suggested in an earlier post, I merely copied the CDPlayer.exe file from my 98SE partition on the notebook to the XP partition on the desktop. I got the same message whether I put it in A Program file directory or I put it in the Windows directory where it was on the 98SE box.
  13. I copyed CDPlayer.exe from my 98SE install and put it in my XP installation. Upon opening Windows Explorer and clicking on a CD track, I get the following message: "The disc you are trying to play is not inserted in the CD-ROM drive. Please insert the correct Disc and try again.", this is while Windows Explorer is still on the screen displaying all the tracks! I get this message whether the disc is in drive Z, which is a Lite-On DVD-RW drive, connected to the first channel of my IDE controller as slave (the master is a removable 250Gb IDE HDD which is turned off) or whether it is in drive Z, a Plextor DVD-RW drive connected to the SATA controller. The HDDs are 15K rpm SCSI drives connected to an Adaptec 29160N U160 controller.
  14. HELP! I have been perusing this forum using much of my time for the last three weeks, AND MGDx's most excellent pages as well as going to Wiki for greater understanding of some terms, and I am STILL not sure of exactly how to go about upgrading my 98SE system to 98SE2ME. There is the order of install. I believe that it is as follows: SP2.1 98SE2ME MD's Cumulative Upgrade KernelEx I am not sure whether to install the notebook drivers first, last or both. MGDX says first, and some others say at a different place in the upgrade process. Somewhere in there I believe I have to upgrade to IE6.0 of some flavor, but then, as the last thing, I will remove IE completely with IEradicator. This seems to produce more favorable results that removing IE with 98Lite, which can be used to remove all the other stuff necessary. As I am sure IEradicator will remove IE6, and am not sure it will remove later versions, I do not want to upgrade to any later version if there is not some clear cut reason for doing so and no work around. It does not seem necessary to upgrade to a later version of IE, or to upgrade WindowsMediaPlayer at all. IF later versions of IE or WMP have some necessary files, a work around might be to install 98SE with no other upgrades, install the later version of IE or WMP, copy the necessary files to my data drive, and then format the C: drive and start over. I am doing a fresh install of 98SE on a ca.early 2001 IBM Thinkpad A22m. Currently it is dual boot with XP. The C: drive ONLY contains the OS, all the data is in other partitions. Firefox portable, the last version 98SE runs, is on the D: drive and the same installation is run under 98SE or XP depending on which I booted into. Are there any things specific to notebooks in general and IBM notebooks in particular which are not in SP2.1 or the Cumulative Upgrade 3.0.5 which I need to install also? IN view of the below, are there things in SP2.1 or Cumulative Upgrade 3.1.5 which I need to change or remove afterwards. I am passing on WUPG98 and AutoPatcher as both seem to install things I don't want, plus I have a dial-up connection. One thing which makes things confusing are that when Windows 98 first came out, there was a definite distinction between a LAN and the Internet, and now both are classified as Network. Consequently, if your goal is to prevent anything on the internet from running anything on your computer, but you also have a hardwired Ethernet LAN, how do you know what you can remove, or do not need to install in the first place? I do not, for instance, want to allow my notebook to run anything on my desktop or vice versa, even over the LAN. I used to let the modem talk to the TCP/IP protocol, but removed all bindings to NetBios, IPX, and Windows File Sharing, while using NetBUEI on the Ethernet, and removing any bindings from the Ethernet card to the TCP/IP protocol. I do not allow anything to update itself or anything else automatically. Back in the days of DOS and WFW 3.11, you got everything installed and then you never upgraded anything unless it was because a newer device or program couldn't work otherwise. Therefore, I want to remove as much code as possible which lets anything update automatically. What makes things really difficult is the way I configure a computer. I first install 98SE and get it set up properly, and then I disable Windows Update, ActiveX, Active Desktop, and completely remove IE using 98Lite. The dependencies make things very confusing, for instance, for audio sequenciers and programs which interface with MIDI devices, I need DirectX plug-ins, which seem to depend on DirectShow, which seems to depend on COM+. However, it appears the only part of DirectX Media I need is DirectShow, so it appears I can remove or not install much of the rest of it. The same thing with DCOM, I appear to need COM+, but not DCOM, and Steve Gibson thinks that DCOM merely gives a drive by virus opportunity - but where and how do I upgrade COM+ and loose DCOM. Is MSDE needed if you are not running Office or using SQL? These are merely instances I know about, There are far far more that I do not. The reason I am so completely detailing what I am trying to do is so that others, far more expert than I in this area, can help me learn what to do to create the most stable, impervious to outside manipulation, advanced in respect to running newer software and newer hardware, Win9x installation is is possible for someone who can't write code to create! The not write code is not completely true, I got an AA in computer science in 1982, but since I haven't written much code in 30 years, I have forgotten how to write Cobal, Fortran, and Assembly on an IBM System 3 using punch cards. I took an earlier, ca.1970, correspondence course on computer maintenance in the Air Force, but today knowledge of maintaining the hardware of vacuum tube based computers is an even MORE useless skill! I also want to make the 98SE2ME installation as compatible with more modern hardware as possible in general, and especially in relationship to USB devices. USB compatibility is why I built the desktop to be an XP machine, and now I have learned that I can make 98SE compatible with most of the USB devices I especially need, Flash cards and USB HDDs, that is why I am attempting to downgrade, most of our computers to 98SE from XP, or at least a dual boot them. I also want to make 98SE compatible with as much as possible of the newer software which only run on XP, especially Firefox, Thunderbird, and OpenOffice. Computability to XP means computability to an XP install which has been treated in the same manner, use XPlite to remove WindowsUpdate, ActiveX, Outlook, IE, and WMP. For a media player, in both OS, I use the K-Lite Codec pack with MediaPlayer Classic along with VLC portable. Don't need Movie Maker or any other MS application included as "part" of the OS to do something which can be done better and less intrusively by somebody else. I do not need to make anything compatible with DRM, if something needs DRM, I don't need IT! Incompatibility to MS applications is perhaps an asset! Neither version of the OS needs compatibility with running anything in MS Office outside of as much compatibility as possible to read and write Office files, as I haven't ever considered installing it since sometime in the mid 90's when I learned that buried in all the Office files was a GUID so that any document created in Word or Office could be traced back to the computer on which it was created. As there was a period of time where most versions of Word documents could be opened only with Word, the work around, since the GUID was created only when a document was created and not when it was modified, was to download a Word file from MSoft, rename it and then delete the contents and use it as a blank file when creating a new document instead of clicking on "new". That way any documents I created in Word or Excel would be traced back to MS as being the originator. I use SoftmakerOffice 2006, and for things it won't handle OpenOffice. Insofar as internet compatibility is concerned, I always thought that if a Linux box running Netscape, Opera or Firefox could not view a specific web page or site correctly, my install of Windows shouldn't be able to either! I certainly don't need to be more compatible with Windows Vista servers etc. OTOH, I want my LAN to be able to transfer any file which XP might be able to write, as on some occasions, I might have an XP and a 98SE box on the same LAN. I wonder how many of the "security patches" are really necessary to a system set up this way, for instance, if something can create a virus in a Word document giving an ActiveX control the ability to do something awful to your installation of MS Office, how unsecure is a system which has the virus, but does NOT have MS Office or ActiveX? Finally, I want to give GREAT MUCH and munificent thanks to MGDX, for his totally awesome site and great contributions and dedication toward keeping the last OS Microsoft designed for stand alone machines alive!!!!! 'Sides, it ain't REALLY that old, the OS currently used on the Space Shuttles was designed in the mid '70s, long before the first PC ever came off the Assembly Line!
  15. Are these one file apps? How do you remove them? I know that the add/remove Windows components thing doesn't actually take things from the drive, cause you can put them back. I am especially interested in what files CDPlayer uses. If it is an analog only app, I would like to copy it, if possible, to my XP installations as well. I want to see MSoft try to put digital DRM in an analog app! ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- If I want really good sound, I just use the audio out on my soundcard (SBlaster Live 5.1) to my stereo, and from my stereo it goes to four speakers, two for rear and the two front speakers which I made in the mid 70's, 8" midrange and horn driven tweeters with a 15" woofer in each one - 1.5 Ft x 2.5Ft x 3.5Ft h and 140Lb each. The auxiliary speakers in the bedroom are of similar compliment with 15" woofers, but only 1Ft by 1.5ft x 3.5ft. I don't NEED no stenkin' subwoofer. Don't need high volume, I actually play the system at lower levels than most, but I do want sound accuracy! I have one of the early (ca.1989) Sony amps which had true 4 channel surround sound (Dolby Surround) with no center channel, so the the RR and LR were true separate signals, (the later 5 channel DolbyPro Audio sound was actually composed of RF, LF, center and rear channels, with RR and LR being identical, as there was no way to get more then four channels of audio info on vinyl or VCR. It would be nice to be able to feed my stereo system with a comparative signal. Dolby Surround was only available for two or three years, as it came out at the end of the period were using their sound systems mainly to listen to music, and Dolby Pro was superior when people started using their sound systems primarily as an adjunct to watching movies. Is there any way of converting 4.1 or 5.1 sound in 98SE to 4.0 sound? If I could do this, I could maybe find another ca. 1989 Sony amp, with Dolby Surround, for the bedroom and then just use a manual audio switch to switch the sound output between the 2.1 channel computer speakers, useful for TV sounds and Window beeps, to the big speakers, with rear ones added for 4.0 Channel, useful for music. Not merely am I trying to keep a 10 year old OS going because, for my uses, I find it superior to the current ones, I am trying to keep a 20 year old audio standard operating for the same reason.