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  1. The Grub Floppy process takes more steps. But I found a good tutorial for those to use it with Legacy OS. It's best for Windows, Linux, and MAC OS X bootloader if you prefer Linux style. http://clubweb.interbaun.com/~mward/grub.html#use DOS/9X/ME/2K/XP/Vista/W7/W10 bootloader will be around 22MB and no problems when choosing any OS. The DOS/9X/ME/2K/XP bootloader is smaller and can be modified all under DOS with just Edit after Attrib you can do pretty much anything necessary. Keep shades on. http://reboot.pro/topic/9830-universal-hdd-image-files-for-xp-and-windows-7/ http://reboot.pro/topic/20253-windows-xp-64-booting-into-ramdisk/page-3 http://reboot.pro/topic/13005-real-xp-sp3-booting-from-dvd-into-ramdisk/ 98SE
  2. Found the link. Needs a Wayback for English and International x86 and x64 bit versions. Download links for Opera 12.18 for Windows x86 English http://www.opera.com/computer/thanks?partner=&par=id%3D39130%26amp;location%3D360&gaprod= x86 International http://www.opera.com/computer/thanks?partner=&par=id%3D39129%26amp;location%3D360&gaprod= x64 English http://www.opera.com/computer/thanks?partner=&par=id%3D39132%26amp;location%3D360&gaprod= x64 International http://www.opera.com/computer/thanks?partner=&par=id%3D39131%26amp;location%3D360&gaprod=
  3. Thanks for digging deeper jumper. This wiki led me to believe Version 20 started the Chromium infection since no mention of it from Versions 15 to 19. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Opera_web_browser Opera 15 Release date 2013-07-02 Rendering engine Chromium 28 JavaScript engine V8 Features New rendering engine based on Chromium/Blink The pattern does hold. Starting at Opera 15 = Chromium 28? Opera 12.15 and under are pure Opera browsers before the Google Chromium infection. Opera 10 seemed to be the fastest and still worked in 98SE from what I could recall. Found this older versions link: http://www.opera.com/docs/history/presto/
  4. Which DOS are you talking about IBM PC DOS 7.0 or Windows 95/95A MS-DOS 7.0? I already know DOS can handle 2TB drives but using them directly in DOS to do file copy operations I would advise to refrain. It might be safe when you don't have too many files or an empty drive but if you load the drive up you might encounter the bug I'm talking about. I have confirmed that 98SE DOS aka MS-DOS 7.10 has issues reading the entire drive under DOS using the DIR /S to list all the long file names, directories, subdirectories. Eventually before it completes listing everything you will start encountering the garbage characters and what looks like a corrupted FAT. The drive itself should still be good but I would not risk or attempt copying long files names to it or moving them around. Also due to the way the directory listing appears corrupted you would have a hard time getting around in DOS or entering directories or knowing the filenames to copy so navigating such a drive in DOS would be a nightmare. I have tested this in 98SE DOS on 2TB FAT32 years ago loaded full HD recordings with long file names that had to be 4GB or smaller max which meant having to stop the recording every 30 minutes to stay under this limit. I tested smaller capacities of 1TB and 500 GB and they also had the same issue. 320GB I believe it did still have the issue but I would have to reverify. 250GB I think might be on the cusp and work fine but I would have to recheck to confirm. But the 120GB/128GB should be able to fully list without any problems but I might do another test to reconfirm that since I usually don't have my boot drives completely filled and it could be that completely filling the drive the problem will appear as more long file names, directories, and subdirectories are the cause.
  5. Anyhow I'm working on that now by trying a 3rd party USB card to see if the onboard USB ports were just not friendly with 98SE. That was one reason I had stopped playing around on the 98SE Z77. However the serial mouse worked fine on it via COM Port 1. Again this 98SE test was on a Z77 spare system not my main system so this memory is for compatibility. I wanted to have a completely fanless Windows 98SE system running on modern hardware. The P4 seems to require better cooling so I'm putting that one on hold for now. One reason I originally stopped using the P4 was the loud fan noise from the CPU, Power Supply, and IDE 3.5" hard drives and it was getting too slow over time running off one core. As for large capacity drives over 137GB or 128GB actual I do use hard drives on other systems up to 8TB or 17.6TB when they become available in a few years. Once I establish 98SE functionality on the modern system I will try tweaking it to see how much more RAM can be installed although I'm "aware" of your patch as I purchased it as a backup plan I wanted to see what other possibilities exist as well in my upcoming compatibility tests. But as we have both discussed even your Limitation Patch has limits for 98SE in the lower 1GB range. Only WinME has the higher threshold of almost 2GB. The biggest question is how the 512MB vs Patched Limit affects programs in combination with various video and sound cards. This will part of my Z77 98SE compatibility testing process. Which Patch are you referring to here? I know there was a Patch to restore the Pure DOS functionality in Win ME. Thanks for keeping good customer ethics. I hope to see the newly Dual Mode Ramdisk available as the single replacement phasing out the 32-Bit and 64-Bit individual version. Or even better to just include all three in case someone wishes to any of the three on various test systems. I myself would prefer testing and using all three versions in different scenarios as I have a multitude of computers dating back to the late 70s so I would be able to check compatibility and narrow it down. I wanted to confirm this was what you are referring to regarding PSE? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PSE-36 PSE-36 (36-bit Page Size Extension) refers to a feature of x86 processors that extends the physical memory addressing capabilities from 32 bits to 36 bits, allowing addressing to up to 64 GB of memory. Digging further I think I found a link to possibly where the first CPU for Intel could support PSE-36. https://books.google.com/books?id=MLJClvCYh34C&pg=PA439#v=onepage&q&f=false The Pentium 1. This may indicate your DOS Ramdisk program might not function on 486 or earlier systems? I have no idea what older systems you have on the Intel side as you stated you only had AMD systems plus the Z87 Intel one. Since you own primarily AMD systems where is the the cut off point on AMD CPUs where the program compatibility breaks for your DOS Ramdisk? If you did create a legacy DOS Ramdisk that didn't require PSE-36 support what is the maximum Ramdisk size that could be achieved? Also assuming if the PSE limitation is due to your HIMEMEX could an alternate Memory Manager like JEMM be used in conjunction with a DOS Ramdisk program written by you to achieve a higher capacity Ramdisk size or would it still require you to write a superior NON PSE CPU DOS Memory Manager and its own DOS Ramdisk to use it making a fourth variant? Since it can't be removed then I suggest leaving those drive letters that were created in the System Tables. When you recreate new Ramdrives you can reuse those letters again as they will only designate or point to the newly created Ramdrive starting from the 4GB start region. Even in DOS for FDISK a deleted partition letter will still remain until you reboot so I guess this would follow common system behavior. So if it can't be undone and the drive letter can still be reserved to be reassigned to a new Ramdrive without rebooting then this is still preferable. My reasons for the de/reallocating is still a theoretical benchmark test I'm pondering and working on making concrete and without actually testing the program in front of me to it refine it is hard to put into words as it is still in flux. It would probably test the limits of your Ramdisk and make it superior to just a simple Ramdrive. Think of Michelangelo Simoni staring at a block of marble except you have the chisel and I'm coming up with figures for you to create. But for something more concrete there are some DOS related uses such as DESQview/X and using multiple virtual floppy images. This was one the last multitasking DOS programs before Windows 3.1 and 9X/ME killed it. But it was purest form of a Multitasking DOS at the time. I believe you said your Ramdisks could be formatted in DOS as real disks once the driver letter is created. If 2K is the smallest FAT16 you could create maybe your Ramdrive could support Floppy emulation. There was also FAT12 for Floppy disks. Emulation of 160KB to 2.88MB Floppy disks should be possible with the Ramdrive. Emulating a LS-120 and LS-240 might be useful for 9X/ME to run in the Ramdrive on modern systems. It might be a way to get around the Z170 AHCI issue. https://www.win.tue.nl/~aeb/linux/fs/fat/fat-1.html Disk Type Partition Size FAT Type Sectors Typical Cluster Size Floppy Disks 360K 12-bit 2 1K Floppy Disks 720K 12-bit 2 1K Floppy Disks 1.2 MB 12-bit 1 512 bytes Floppy Disks 1.44 MB 12-bit 1 512 bytes Floppy Disks 2.88 MB 12-bit 2 1K . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_floppy_disk There were some 8 inch floppy disks for CP/M. I got a few of these still sealed in box. You could do CP/M emulation without needing the floppy hardware using the Ramdrive. These are just a few ideas and I don't see the need to overwhelm you with all of them if it is beyond your skillset then it would be pointless since they wouldn't see fruition. But if some of these were done there would be more coming. I wouldn't see the need to PM any of that kind of personal information in order to prove I was a customer but if I were getting your source code for your programs to maintain from perishing or obsolescence or something of that nature to continue its legacy for future systems would I go that far and get to know you on such a personal level and share such information. I explained my MSFN joining history on the other thread. I don't see any reason why a customer has to prove there were a customer out of the blue. To be frank my original signing up for a MSFN account purpose had to do with Windows 2000 and a user named BlackWingCat and nothing to do with your program. I just liked 98SE and the username wasn't taken at the time although other variants were that I wanted. Your software I stumbled upon on other sites through google over the years described as a way to solve 98SE with too much memory and I did have other thoughts before buying was is the website legit, is this program trustworthy, does it work, et cetera but I felt good enough to purchase it as a backup plan in case my 98SE on Z77 plan using 512MB DDR3 failed. Although I did install 98SE successfully using physical DDR3 memory without needing any patching the USB mouse still had issues so I stopped and left the project on hold over the years. I'm finally back due to nostalgic reasons to figure it out once and for all and possibly help others get it working. . But to prove I was a customer and did purchase from you I have dug up my copy of the program and made a DOS directory listing and scrambled characters out of it to prevent pirates from seeing the actual filenames or other recognizable info regarding the commercial files in case they could be used to search for it. I think this is proof enough to compare and see they resemble the commercial files purchased by a customer. You either believe me or you don't. . 0@/09/201@ 0@:@8 PM 3,@3@ HISTORY.TXT 0@/09/201@ 0@:@4 PM @,345 LICENSE.TXT 0@/07/201@ 1@:@6 PM @2,@90 MANUAL.TXT 0@/@2/201@ 1@:@8 AM @@,5@2 @AT@@@@@.EXE 0@/0@/201@ 1@:@9 PM @,1@6 README.TXT 0@/1@/200@ 0@:@4 PM @,2@6 @@@IT@@B.EXE 6 File(s) @2,@8@ bytes . 98SE
  6. Installing DOS and 9X/ME on Z77 for legacy testing. I will be documenting compatibility of DOS and 98SE programs on Intel Z77 Chipset.
  7. Don't take this negatively, but I respect your work and please don't retire so if people want to use your patch and I'm assuming it is free then they should if they aren't too concerned with full backward compatibility. But from a hardware perspective I've kept at this for nearly four decades just to make sure what works or doesn't as far as compatibility all the way to the Z270. Testing 98SE on a Z77 spare system with 1GB now. But 512MB would have avoided the BSOD error on the first install. And I want to test out all Ramdrives and yours possibly later if it can be perfected further I would definitely recommend it. As for my main system it is a Z77 32GB and via USB I have 8TB external hard drives hooked up with no issues and I would go to 16TB or 17.6TB max if they were available. If I were to add secondary laptop hard drives/SSD internally I would use 2TB max which is plenty of space. I do record 8 channels of HDTV simultaneously with no issues all via USB externally. You just have to make sure the Allocation Unit Sizes are 64KB to sustain and reduce the amount of allocation units. I had done testing with 512 bytes AUS and it can be overwhelmed easily around 3 or 4 HD channels on just USB 2.0 on XP and my method has no issues hardware or software based. As for the Z77 spare for 98SE only test subject I will be putting up a topic on that momentarily. I am resurrecting it now. It was put on hold for many many years due to being busy and the recent nostalgic urge kicked in to get 98SE and DOS back for recording video/audio footage is now possible with large capacity hard drives. The 120GB and 128GB capacities are easily found on eBay or Amazon. I prefer 2.5" laptop hard drives or SSDs. I would not recommend those 3.5" IDE or SATA if that's what you were thinking. The ones I prefer aren't impossible to find if you look. The SSD variety are the easiest to find and quite cheap around $30-$60 range and the best pick for today's modern Windows 98 installation using physical hardware without patching. You can even go lower as the Boot Partition and 98SE can easily fit on a 4TB SSD if you want to go super cheap. Then add a secondary 2TB hard drive for internal storage which in your case your patch would be useful here. However if you moving any files or deleting or copying in DOS there could be a chance of corruption. The limits of DOS even through USB I have noticed as well although I'm pretty sure 120GB/128GB there should be no corruption. I wouldn't risk 4TB on my DOS/MultiOS Windows boot partition. 2TB would be the max I would consider testing but I prefer using those 2TB as external USB powered hard drives and very convenient to move from 98SE to XP to W7 to W10 without any compatibility issues nor patching. The problem is the patch is for 9X and not DOS. But true DOS programs assuming your patch works on FAT32 but not FAT16 partitions would cause an issue. I've been doing this constantly over the years or decades just to maintain backward compatibility as long as possible. Windows XP non service pack would also have issues if say your patch was 9X specific. The SATA 120GB/128GB 2.5" laptop hard drives or SSDs are my goto for primary hard drive choice even in my other modern setups. So far not one single problem when moving the hard drive around to another computer. I just use the bare bones USB to SATA adapter if I need to move data onto the drive say on XP or other OS on the fly. But the DDO you mentioned I did use back in the day from hard disk manufacturers when earlier IDE hard drives could not be fully utilized due to the older BIOS limitations. I think the earliest hard drive limitation was the 504MB one. But the most recent limitation that keeps legacy support on DOS/9X/ME/NT/2K/XP was the 128GB one. Even though 2K and XP had actual SPs to fix this capacity limit I on occasion test out vanilla OS for legacy support differences without having to worry if this hard drive was patched or not. Also I still don't recommend the first partition or your C: to be that large. Even the 2GB FAT16 MBR can store the DOS/9X/ME/2K/XP/Vista/W7 bootloader. It is around 22MB in size. I hardly combine the OS onto the same partition with the exception of DOS/9X/ME. It seems to favor the C: drive in multiple 98 partition installation tests especially when you are dealing with installing or removing internal hard drives it shifts the drive letters around so Primary Partition C: on the first drive is the best 9X/ME to install onto. 2K and XP on the other hand you could install multiple copies of each OS on as many partitions and still be differentiated on the boot loader menu. One significant advantage that it had over 9X/ME. If I really needed the space and didn't care about DOS compatibility I would prefer 8GB to 32GB FAT32 C: partition. But I always install my Program Files and redirect My Documents folder to a separate partition away from my OS to keep it lean for OS imaging.
  8. Good to know. I just found a GeForce FX5500 I bought for testing in the Z77. I'm going to see if it recognizes it properly in 98SE.
  9. Microsoft Software Forum Network System Operator and Grand Web Master Xper has graciously confirmed the original birth idea of MSFN took place on August 17th, 2001. I'll keep the location and the origin of where he came up with it a secret. I'm not sure if it's common knowledge or intentionally kept hidden.
  10. Remember those old phone modems? You put your phone into it before the serial modems. 150 Baud speed. The jump from 2400 Baud to 14.4K was tremendous then. Without Netscape I think we would still be bumbling around on Lynx in pure text. Netscape Navigator was one of the earlier saviors... Then the beast at Microsoft emerged and bundled Internet Explorer which later became Internet Infector. I remember opening certain websites that only liked to use IE. Then the battle began. AOL buys Netscape and AIM was the biggest thing since Apple Pie. I still favor it over Facebook/Twitter. Compact and efficient and who doesn't love the Buddy List. The salvation of IE 4.0 was Quick Launch... There couldn't have been a better feature from Windows to the user interface since then. I miss its native functionality removed from Windows 7 and later. You can kind of recreate it but it's still not the same with the Clear Desktop Icon moved and I can't seem to put the Recycle Bin icon on using the Pin to Taskbar feature.
  11. Not for a main system. As a test system I don't care. This might be good for Mac OS X and Linux mixing but I wouldn't do it for my DOS and Windows MultiBoot. Which specific "features" are missing in ALL other boot managers that make you use it? Can you put this on a floppy disk to boot and if your boot drive got corrupted what's the recourse in restoring just the boot manager portion without overwriting the entire partition?
  12. Interesting. Anyone can do this? I'll have to add Opera 19 to this. Last version before Chromium Engine was used. What happens if Way Back Machine goes down? Is it going to survive as long or longer than Wiki?
  13. Small update. Opera has thrown in the XP towel. http://www.opera.com/docs/changelogs/unified/3700/ Last version get it now for safe keeping. Had to hunt around as they are hiding it. Opera v36.0.2130.65 - XP Coffin closing. http://download3.operacdn.com/pub/opera/desktop/36.0.2130.65/win/Opera_36.0.2130.65_Setup.exe One of the fastest browsers for 9X/ME was around v10. It's a shame Opera will only support Windows 7 and later with v37 and up.
  14. LOL yeah those series of 9s seem a bit consistent. One off key...? SATA AHCI BSOD 7B error most likely.
  15. Back when AOL was "the thing" for dial up. You could use Trumpet Winsock and Mosiac to access websites which were few if any. I think this was on an old 486 that barely could handle it. One of the earliest maybe even very popular website was The Spot. I guess you could call it a reality TV show in the form of a website before reality TV shows became popular like today. There wasn't a whole lot of websites to visit on the internet then compared to today. BBSs were still more popular than the internet at the time and this was before DSL or Cable modem. Maybe 14.4Kb for BBSs then 33.6Kb for most internet users and rare to get the 56Kb V90 sonar tone unless you had a real good land line connection to the ISP. Unfortunately there is no real equivalent form of a BBS on the internet. No more ANSI art. BBSs were special and being a SysOp was rewarding when someone connected to your computer usually one user per phone line it was like welcoming a guest into your house. I guess you could say the SysOp is also the ultimate host and lurker too.