i can see where this is going, and it's waaayy off topic. but . . . you're assuming there's an inherent need or desire to use modern software. i can't speak for anyone else but i'm still writing HTML in Notepad (well Textpad actually) and i think its fair to say i don't think MDGX (the member here most would agree has the best 95/98/98SE/ME support site) uses Macromedia flash MX Dreamweaver MX. personally imo the only piece of software that must be current is Anti-virus and the web browser (and the web browser is debatable) it's all relative try not to wade in just because we may poke fun over a single phrase (of which i may be guilty, and as such apologize) but on the flipside could you perhaps try not to make posts in the Windows 95/98/98SE/ME Software Discussion & Support Forum in an effort to try to get us to agree we should upgrade to new hardware (or a new OS) for two reasons. 1. it's not going to happen (the people that are here have made their choice, for whatever reason). and 2. a rather dim view of it is taken by most of the regulars (and thankfully now) the forum mods as well. please guess i'll get back to designing a cool mini desktop Arcade cab built out a of K6-2 333, PCChips PC100 board, ISA SB16, TNT2, running NeoRAGEx and DOS ZSNES and try to stop the name Link21 rattling round in my head . . .