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Wunderbar98

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  1. Running Windows 98 in 2017...

    @pionner: My Windows 98 update collection was emailed a while back, no response received. Hopefully you can still host and link the updates. @Drugwash: Thanks for your input, to each their own. Though not production machines, i didn't notice appreciable glitches or errors without an IE/SP1 upgrade.
  2. Running Windows 98 in 2017...

    @Tommy: Thanks for the printer tips, may have to look into that more, although admittedly printing less and less. Windows 2000 rocks, IMO the finest MS produced, unfortunately not compatible with many of my Windows games. @cov3rt: Thanks for the response. I didn't want to use any unofficial updates, mix in IE upgrades, etc. My Windows 98 update collection doesn't sound much larger than your Windows 95 stuff, just over 100 updates, many are not even applicable to the hardware run (eg. laptop related, some hardware specific, etc.). @pionner: Sent you an email, thanks for offering to host. If you do, please provide a link on this thread for other members. Personally i do not require an auto-installer, prefer old school manual. @98SE: Please see note to 'pionner' above. Bare metal meaning actual hardware install, not virtual machine. I already own Windows 2000 Pro, very nice. Windows XP is by far the most functional, which i still own too, just tired of activation nonsense and by this time the OS had already become unnecessarily bloated for home use. I have a copy of POSReady 2009 around too, decent. Not sure anyone would be interested in my driver cache, drivers are still readily available, if mistaken please let me know. @Nomen: Good question but i have no idea. When i was going through old Windows 98 update lists, seemed some 'packs' excluded updates that were preceded. As Microsoft no longer readily provides the necessary information, it was not possible for me within a reasonable time frame to dig deeper and fully investigate what may/not have been missed. As mentioned, i did not desire updates that would update IE, WMP, etc, nor did i want to use any of the unofficial update packs. To each their own, i still prefer the manual install and prefer to have more control over what gets installed. For future Windows 98 installs, i will just selectively install the relatively few updates that i require. @jaclaz: Thanks for keeping the he said/she said on track! None of this discussion would be relevant if Microsoft had the decency to host a rollup pack, even after end of life. In the Linux world, so simple to dig out retro releases, updates and packages from official sources to keep trucking.
  3. Running Windows 98 in 2017...

    Pasted Windows 98 Install and Setup Notes, if it helps anyone: - Win98 can be installed without using the full drive, use gparted to create fat partition for Win98, ensure all other partitions are not fat, use NTFS or Linux. - If want Win98 to create bootable MBR, from Win98 CD run fdisk to review partitions (4), re-create the FAT partition for Win98 and mark active. Note using gparted to create partition and mark active doesn't work, end up with non-bootable Win98 install. Also use Win98 CD to 'format c:'. - From Win98 CD run 'setup' to install Win98, should install FAT formated c: drive. - Perform custom install and deselect undesirable Windows software options, many no longer applicable or desirable. - Regarding Windows Updates, don't bother upgrading Internet Explorer or Windows Media Player versions, now essentially broken, rely on 3rd party apps (Firefox, VLC). - Several sites online discussing setting up Windows 98 with larger hard drives and more RAM, if install fails try re-install with <= 512 MB physical RAM and Windows98 partition <37 GB (<5-10 GB more than enough, base Windows98 install <1 GB).
  4. Running Windows 98 in 2017...

    To help keep Windows 98 alive, if anyone wants to contact me to get these 'official' updates reply to the post instead of PM. I don't log in often but check the threads occasionally. If anyone wants them all, it's an ~23MB zip file, we can make arrangements. As indicated above, i don't have updates for undesired software, such as Internet Explorer upgrade, so this isn't a comprehensive collection, just what i think is important to run old Windows 98 in the modern era. They were all tested, in that they installed, 'Q' and 'KB' numbers matched and they *appeared* official. Certainly a far cry from signed packages, md5sum checks, etc. I did not modify any updates, aside from the file names. This is what i've got: 2_4_date_2To4DigitDateConversionTool.exe q192425_HotfixForKerberosNetworkWinsock2.0_Error_RNR20.DLL_4.10.2223.exe q236926_TCP_IP_MayRetransmitPacketsPrematurely.exe q237493_SystemDateReflectsChangesWhileDateTimeToolOpen.exe q238453_SpoofedRoutePointerVulnerability.exe q239696_HangResumingSuspendInLowMemorySituationsOrHighDiskActivity.exe q239697_ACPI_EnabledLaptopPromptsTwiceForHardwareProfile.exe q239887_Windows98SE_ShutdownSupplement.exe q240075_USB_DevicesMayNotWorkInWindows98SE.exe q240163_TelnetUp_BufferOverrunTelnetWindows95And98PosesSecurityRisk.exe q240896_OpenGL_ProgramMayCauseInvalidPageFaultErrorMessage.exe q241052_MessageBoxDisplaysBrowseForPasswordSynchronization.exe q241084_ComputerHangsEntering_ACPI_S4_ModeWith_USB_DeviceConnected.exe q241134_USB_MouseOrKeyboardNotWorkingWith_AMD_OHCI_USB_Controller.exe q242193_CreateFile_NCP_MayNotFunctionCorrectlyWithReadAndWriteAccessFlags.exe q242934_WindowsStopsRespondingWhenSendingSystemBroadcastMessageDuringShutdown.exe q242975_1394_StorageSupplement.exe q243199_ProblemsWith_NDIS_IntermediateDrivers.exe q243450_ScanDiskErrorsOn_IDE_HardDisksLargerThan32GB.exe q245065_kb242928_AutomaticRepeatDoesNotWorkFor_USB_KeyboardAfterSuspendResume.exe q245682_IDE_ControllerDisabledInDeviceManagerIfSecondary_IDE_ChannelDisabledIn_BIOS.exe q245729_FileAccess_URL_Vulnerability.exe q246387_FDISK_MayNotWorkWhen_IDE_ControllerIsRebalanced.exe q249146_SoundsMayBeDisabledUsingPlaySound_API_With_USB_HID_DevicesPresent.exe q249635_USB_DriverUsesTheLargestSupportedReportSize.exe q249824_VOLTRACK_ErroneouslyUnloadedAfter255DeviceAdditionsAndRemovals.exe q249863_SGC_ConnectionsMayFailFromDomesticClients.exe q249973_Default_RTF_FileViewerInterruptsNormalProgramProcessing.exe q250514_AccessViolationIn_Spoolss.dll_WhenSubmittingTwoDirectPrintJobsOnSamePrinter.exe q250876_PrintQueuesMayAppearOfflineIfConnectionNumberEquals255.exe q251002_LoadingInvalidImageUsing_OLE_AutomationDisplaysAssertion.exe q252958_HighBandwidthMayNotBeAvailableWith_1394_OpenHostController.exe q253697_USB_EnumerationProblemsWithOpen_HCI_ControllerOnFastComputers.exe q253711_ACPI_ComputerMayNotShutDownProperlyIfDeviceCancelsStandby.exe q254660_FourthAndFifthMouseButtonsNotRecognizedByWindows.exe q256015_DOS_DeviceInPathNameVulnerability.exe q257360_ACPI_CompliantComputerMayHangOnResumeFrom_S1_State.exe q257821_WindowsSocketsSelectFunctionAdds_500_MillisecondTimeOut.exe q258010_PerformanceProblemsInsertingCardBusCardWith_TI_14xx_Controller.exe q258680_ScreenSaverActivationWhileSuspendedMayCauseComputerToStopResponding.exe q258765_RemoteUpdateOptionInWindows98MayAllowAccessByWindows2000Server.exe q259253_ACPI_ComputerWithAntiVirusSoftwareInstalledStopsResponding.exe q259728_IP_FragmentReassemblySecurityVulnerability.exe q260067_MappedDrivesShutdownUpdate.exe q262232_FloppyDiskMayBeUnreadableOrComputerHangsWith_LS_120_Drive.exe q263044_FdiskDoesNotRecognizeFullSizeOfHardDisksLargerThan64GB.exe q263891_InternalStackOverflowWhenQuittingTo_MSDOS.exe q265334_DenialOfServiceAttackPossibleWith_IPX_SPX_Protocol.exe q266772_ClientCannotLogOnIfUnicodeStringIsPassedTo_NTLM_SecuritySupportProviderInterface.exe q267304_IEEE_1394_MassStorageDeviceNotPresentAfterResumingFromStandby.exe q269239_q264650_NetBIOS_VulnerabilityMayCauseDuplicateNameOnTheNetworkConflicts.exe q269388_HP_OmnibookPortableComputerDockingErrorBug.exe q269601_WindowsDriverModelAudioUpdateForWindows98SE_kb242937.exe q269874_DCOM_IStreamWriteCorruptsDataWithNoErrorReturn.exe q271701_CannotUse_PPP_Over_ATM_ToConnectAfterFirstCallClosed.exe q271811_USB_DevicesMayCauseHangWhileAttemptingToHibernate.exe q272137_LongFileNameWithNovellNetWareServerBug.exe q272621_NegativeHardDiskFreeSizeReportedOnVirtualMemoryTabInSystemProperties.exe q273017_IDE_HardDriveCachePackage.exe q273727_Malformed_IPX_NMPI_PacketVulnerability.exe q273991_ShareLevelPassword.exe q274175_ErrorMessageOpeningOrCopyingFileFromFolderEightLevelsDeepOnCDROM.exe q274370_ErrorMessageOrBlueScreenWhenTryToPlayDigital_CD_Audio.exe q275873_SleepButtonAndPowerButtonHaveTheSameFunctionality.exe q276602_DeviceManagerReports_Code10_ForDeviceAndDoesNotAssignAvailable_IRQ.exe q277628_LastAccessAndCreationTimeError5AccessDeniedBug.exe q278033_FixForBugInMicrosoftVideoForWindowsApplicationsWith_USB_DigitalVideoCamera.exe q278368_MemoryLeak_Atmuni.sys.exe q280448_ToshibaWireless_LAN_Mini_PCI_CardMayAppearWithExclamationMarkInDeviceManagerAfterHotDocking.exe q281533_USB_DriverMayCause_Trap14_ErrorDuringDocking.exe q283032_Windows98CannotListUsersInWindows2000BasedDomain.exe q284837_1394_AudioVideoControlDeviceStopsWorkingUnexpectedly.exe q288430_LaptopComputerHangsDuringDockingOrUndocking.exe q288550_PlugAndPlayPrinterMayNotResumeWithUpdated_Vcomm.vxd_DriverInstalled.exe q289635_DisplayColorMatchingDoesNotOccur.exe q290831_SRB_FUNCTION_SHUTDOWN_RequestsNotSentTo_SCSI_MiniportsDuringShutdown.exe q291362_PressingWindowsLogoKeyCausesHangWithWindowsJournalHook.exe q293197_WindowsExplorerHangsWhenInserting_PC_CardDuringResume.exe q293793_Exception_0E_In_Vredir_ErrorMessagesWhenOpenNetworkFiles.exe q295629_EnumerationProblemsWithCardBusCardsInTexasInstrumentsCardBusControllers.exe q305037_LowBatteryAlarmMayNotWorkIfPowerMeterNotOnTheTaskbar.exe q306453_BugCheckIn_Usbhub.sys_WhenRemoveOrAdd_USB_Device.exe q306889_ComputerHangsAfterRemovingSecondBattery.exe q307004_GroupPolicyNotAppliedForUsersInGroupsWithLongNames.exe q308349_Windows98ShutdownHangsFiveMinutesWith_USB_ModemPresent.exe q309081_InfraredFaxModemOrMobilePhoneWithDataFeaturesMayNotBeInstalledCorrectly.exe q310695_DVD_PlayerProgramCannotAccessData.exe q311430_StorageDeviceDoesNotWorkAfterYouInsertOrRemove1394Device.exe q311561_MSDOS_DoesNotProperlyProcessHardDiskHardwareErrors.exe q313829_UncheckedBufferInWindowsShellCouldLeadToCodeExecution.exe q314147_AnUncheckedBufferInThe_SNMP_ServiceMayAllowCodeToRun.exe q315575_DCOM_ProgramHangsAfterServerRebootCreating_DCOM_Object.exe q319571_Keyb.com_And_Jkeyb.sys_DetectNon_US_EnhancedKeyboardsAs_AT_StyleKeyboards.exe q321467_Swenum.sys_PortCls_DevicesDoNotWorkCorrectlyInWindows98SE.exe q323172_FlawInCertificateEnrollmentControlCouldAllowDeletionOfDigitalCertificates.exe q323255_UncheckedBufferInWindowsHelpFacilityCouldEnableCodeExecution.exe q323708_ComputerHangsOrDisplaysBlueScreenDuringInfraredCommunication.exe q38453_SpoofedRoutePointerVulnerability.exe kb811630_FixFor_HTML_HelpUpdateToLimitFunctionality.exe kb814078_js56men_FlawInJavaScript5.6CouldAllowCodeExecution.exe kb823559_BufferOverrunIn_HTML_ConverterCouldAllowCodeExecution.exe kb891711_UnofficalHotfixForCursorAndIconFormatHandlingCouldAllowRemoteCodeExecutionVulnerability.exe kb891781_DHTML_EditingComponent_ActiveX_ControlCouldAllowRemoteCodeExecution.exe kb892211_SoftwareUpdateForWebFolders.exe kb917344_VulnerabilityInJScriptCouldAllowRemoteCodeExecution.exe unicows_LayerForUnicodeVersion1.1.3790.0.exe kb904706_DirectX9Patch_VulnerabilityInDirectShowCouldAllowRemoteCodeExecution.exe
  5. Running Windows 98 in 2017...

    The catalyst for revisiting Windows 98 came after experiencing Windows XP re-activation issues following hardware changes. Mostly to keep an old Windows install around to play favourite games, plus it's still a fun system to utilize. Finally completed Road Rash - lol. For retro use, Windows 98 is pretty good, although most users may now have trouble finding a printer to work on this system, if that is desired. I have three printers at home, only one has Windows 98 drivers, all work with Windows XP. Printer manufacturers appear to have made these old printer cartridges hard to find and/or very expensive to encourage the never ending upgrade cycle. Finding an old Windows 98 friendly scanner shouldn't be an issue. I recently set up two Windows 98 systems. Nostalgic, the same user experience i remember. The installer actually takes quite a while compared to a lean Linux OS, but otherwise works well. Reasonably simple and lean OS, easy to set up and manage. NO ACTIVATION REQUIRED! Occasionally a little flaky but nothing that can't be fixed with some tweaking or a reboot. Once setup, no more updates required. As i still use Windows 98 era hardware on a daily basis (800 MHz systems, BIOS dates 1999-2001, RAM 384-512 MB), my interest was setting up and running this retro OS on bare metal. To wonderful surprise, finding hardware drivers was quite simple with a little searching. I ended up hoarding quite a few graphic, audio and network drivers, including Windows 98 'driver packs'. Anyone needing drivers, it may be best to search the manufacturer's sites first, as many are still archived and available, otherwise these resources should help: * https://driverscollection.com/ * http://www.network-drivers.com/ * http://www.driverguide.com/ I spent way too much time downloading Windows 98 updates, 108 in total, including 2To4DigitDateConversionTool.exe, many 'Q' updates, several 'KB' updates, unicows and a DirectX9 patch. Unfortunately, most were obtained from non-Microsoft sources, as updates are no longer available from Microsoft servers and a roll-up pack was never released. I did not want to use one of the unofficial update packs and purposely avoided updates related to undesired (for me) software, including Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player, Dial Up Networking, Macromedia Flash Player, MDAC, Microsoft .NET Framework and Microsoft Virtual Machine. From recent testing, both Internet Explorer 5 and 6 are essentially non-functional with modern browsing and Windows Media Player 9 no longer provides online multimedia browsing. I just wanted to keep my install relatively default and 'official'. Feel free to contact me if you can't find a desired update. In hindsight, unsure this effort was worthwhile as Windows 98 is now essentially a retro hobby OS. If a system is experiencing a specific issue, such as shutdown hang, applying a few specific updates may be warranted.
  6. List of working Web Browsers on Windows 9x

    Having used a couple Windows 98 installs online in 2017 for several weeks, my favourite go-to browser was definitely Dillo without KernelEx. Very fast, no javascipt/security issues. Any sensitive or full featured browsing/computing will now need to be done with a more modern OS anyway, IMO a lean Linux or BSD install. Unfortunately this forum is not Dillo friendly for login. Dillo functionality tips on the modern (broken and bloated) web: * Dillo renders most modern webpages poorly, rely on up/down keys to reduce scrolling * When heavy JavaScript sites don't display desired content: - Selecting the 'Cached' link from Google search results instead - Or paste the article title into a new search, often several sites host the same data, some don't need JavaScript. Windows 98 is not optimized for DSL/ethernet out-of-the-box. Can't remember the exact numbers, running TCP Optimizer (TCPOptimizer_v308.exe) resulted in an ~7-10x improvement of data throughput.
  7. List of working Web Browsers on Windows 9x

    Back to some Windows 98 fun, refreshingly simple, life support for anyone requiring a fully functional browser. Windows XP or a lean Linux install probably the way to go. Tried lots of browsers, adding a couple more to the list. The only way i was able to create this forum account from a Windows 98 machine, properly loading the security Captcha, was with KernelEx and Firefox 7. No browser tested, with/out KernelEx, allowed a successfully Hotmail login to activate the account. General observations, most commented on earlier: * IE 5 and 6 unstable, no longer useful or secure, future Windows 98 installs won't bother upgrading IE. * Firefox 2, favourite without KernelEx, losing functionality, lots of CA issues. * Firefox 10 ESR with KernelEx, sluggish, frequent 'not responding', lack of bookmark functionality. * Firefox 7.0.1 with KernelEx, probably best combination for anyone needing a 'mostly' functional browser, lack of bookmark functionality. * K-Meleon 1.5.4 without KernelEx, maybe most likely to succeed with an enthusiastic developer to keep an up to date browser alive in Windows 98. * SeaMonkey 1.1.18 without KernelEx (think 1.1.19 latest supported), pretty good, my favourite full featured browser in Linux (v 2.46), limited like Firefox 2. * Opera without KernelEx, can't remember version tested, not too bad, not an Opera fan. Haven't used Flash in years, not tested or desired. For those who want YouTube etc, lean Linux with MPlayer and SMTube probably the way to go. I wrote a Bash script that uses youtube-dl and player of choice (MPlayer, VLC) to search, stream and/or download from YouTube and other supported sites through a user-friendly terminal interface, including video description, number of views, playlist browsing, bookmarks, youtube-dl updater. Best way i've found for multimedia on old hardware. New additions: * Dillo v3.0 without KernelEx, no JavaScript, poor rendering of many sites but simple, stable and possibly the most secure of the bunch. Illegal operation crash on first run after boot, re-launch and then Dillo runs fine. https://sourceforge.net/projects/dillo-win32/ * Links v2.1 text-browser without KernelEx, no JavaScript or images, ran well. http://links.twibright.com/download/binaries/win32/
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