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  1. Adobe to Pull Plug on Flash

    If we go by that rule PHP would be as a big problem as all .exe files and actionscript. No thats surely not the main issue. And btw: Apple planned the kill on Adobe Flash (formerly Macromedia Flash). So thank the Apple Company that youtube wont work anymore on devices that dont properly support HTML5.
  2. Adobe to Pull Plug on Flash

    Well I suppose its not like Windows, Adobe could claim "You want the patch so pay 1$". I mean Apple makes money with every new iSHIT so Microsoft that doesnt provide hardware(ok forget the Cloud I mean like Microsoft Laptops or so yeah ok they have Surface but its not a laptop like lets say Macbook or if they even call it like that). so the sell software. Should mention to be correct here: Apple produces in china so its just the brainstorming and maybe a bit coding for the iOS that happens in the first world countries. If you think about that theres not so much difference, except the ones say the sell "their" Hardware with an own system the others sell Operating system thats bundled with some random hardware manufacturer (except if its Lumia or Surface or "Apple" ofcourse and various others that support linux). I know you need a better machine to support HTML5. The strange thing is the people that made this standard mainstream sell it like "its for lowlevel devices". Thats not entirely true. 512 MB RAM and 800 Mhz CPU single core might sound "poor" but on a smartphone thats not the same like on a Pentium 3 or Pentium 4 machine. CPU and GPU are far more connected(GPU is even in the CPU) in a mobile device. And such devices are small and need less power but still will already support HTML5 and also support OpenGL 2.0 standard if Im not mistaken.
  3. Adobe to Pull Plug on Flash

    Right and now flash is also dead for youtube.
  4. Btw. before I forget to ask: Yeah we are in the Opera 12 section so I must post also something regarding the issue here. Silly is yesterday I was able to go here with the Opera mobile browser 12.10 (on Android ofcourse not Win9x) but also on that system some functions where missing. The quote feature didnt work for example. Opera Mobile 12.10 uses presto, just like the desktop version for Windows. Its also slow like the version for Windows 98 when loading the board(but ofcourse also other sites). However the Windows 98 (Kernelex) version Opera 12.02 didnt even allow login. Could be just a random incident, still it would be interesting to check how Windows 2000 users are doing with Opera to see if this is Opera 12.02 <= specific or just has to do maybe with the operating system (what I rather dont think). I think its about the certificates since I had such problems with outlook page too sometimes, and when I for example cleaned the cache it would work. So now to why Im quoting. What exactly are the Apple libraries? Are they part of the QuickTime SDK or just another must-have for webkit on Windows?!
  5. Thanks for your input, downloading cygwin will take more space and probably time than I had expected. And I will have to try that all on a "test" system. Some of the tutorials even implied to turn off anti-virus, so thats the best way to do it would say. Luckily the webarchive still stores the instructions. Once I get more time I wll continue on the webkit building/compiling. Its a thing I havent tried before so will be either fun or frustrating but a new experience in either case.
  6. @ ABCDEFG Ok thanks for that info about cygwin. Just for your info, if you read the first two pages of the topic somebody claimed that MSFN login and writing does still work for Palemoon 3.6. I havent tested Palemoon on Windows 98SE yet, but its a fork of Firefox, so maybe this just means Firefox 3.6 and better are required now. Anyway that doesnt change the issues with Opera. I also read (but as far as we know Opera 12.02 is the highest version running so this maybe more intersting for systems with Windows 2000) that the best Opera version with presto is not Opera 12.18 but Opera 12.14.On some russian board regarding opera somebody claimed (if translations were correct) that Opera 12.14 had a better code than the ones that followed, so that rendering of pages was worse with 12.15 and up. So just as an info if somebody uses Opera 12.1x for other systems . The Opera 12.5 (alpha) Next versions only worked with KEXT so thats no real solution for the common MSFN user (and honestly the best would if a browser allows the most important things on Windows 9x vanilla but hm I dont know if its likely). I dont think Retrozilla works better on this page (or does it maybe). You cannot run Opera Mini (for phones) or UC Browser (althought Windows 2000 said to supports it) on Windows 9x, but "Opera Mobile Emulator" may work (with KernelEx). This is were you can get it from: https://ftp.opera.com/pub/opera/sdlbream/ I never tried the html5test or wrote down the useragent. I think it uses webkit but might be presto. Its just an emulator for the mobile browser. Flash wont work but HTML5 could/should (didnt on mine). The last version I could try for 9x was 11.50. Version 12 and higher wont work atleast they didnt on my Win 9x. They are outdated now, but someone might want to know about it anyway. Runs ofcourse only with KernelEx. Login also didnt work with that versions. But there might be someone that wanted to try it too.
  7. I downloaded a "cygwin-downloader.zip" the files in it are are from february 2008. And since both pages write about different stuff (like the mentioned QuickTime SDK) according to "blog.ashodnakashian.com" its confusing. If the questions related to the webkit version in general : Randomly I found a google hit for a webkit version, throw the link into web.archive.org and it was downloaded. But this doesnt work always. It all depends if the file ever was safed by the webarchive. Some are safed some are not. The webkit homepage seems to be one of these cases where it was stopped being crawled by search machines if my assumptions are right (its not uncommon, its the reason some pages are not listed in google at all and if you remove it afterwards when the page was already crawled once google just wont list the newest content in search results). Also the webarchive.org seems to only backup pages/files that were really often accessed it seems. I dont know about QuickTime SDK or even the DirectX SDK, but I do think QuickTime SDK could only be found on "oldversions" "oldapps" or by research. It didnt work for the Apple page as far as I remember. Thanks for you input =).
  8. Cool. Have to try it out when on the 98se pc again. Btw ABCDEFG I wrote a topic regarding Webkit in another area of MSFN board: If you have time you might want to read my question. Since you compiled the source codes, you may know what these tutorials mean maybe. I want to try out "building" /compiling a webkit version for Windows(if the tutorials really are right and usable on Windows). I think the webkit original files from the webkit homepage might only be testable on Windows 2000 and upwards since the issue for chrome (not runable on Windows 9x) existed already when Blink wasnt even an engine yet. You can just do basic things ofcourse with an engine as far as I know.. Thats why browsers are browsers(have plugins and other stuff too).
  9. Thanks Jaclaz. That sums very much up about the SPDY protocol. Will tell him to try out Dragonfly and to look up that keywords and check if something changes faster than with regular browsers if he loads a page mentioned on the w3techs.com site. Still 8.5% pages use SPDY. Thats not bad. Ofcourse I also wasnt aware about the compression methods used in the background. Sounds similiar to what mobile browsers sometimes intend to do (for faster loading and reducing traffic).
  10. Hi, so I know somebody that has Opera with SPDY support so its version 12.x something. It might be version 12.10 or Opera SPDY edition, that is simply Opera 12.01 with SPDY support. He also installed the SPDY indicator that was available for opera and I thing also Chrome. But the blue icon of the SPDY indicator never really blinks. Hes using an older operating system like Windows 2000 or Windows ME, Im not sure but not XP. So my question is (what Im saying I only know from reseaching): SPDY seems to rely on the Server using the SPDY protocol. Its better than http/1.1 in speed if things work our correctly. And Google and most sites stopped the support since http/2 came out. But: What is really necessary that you as a user (Linux/Windows/Mac ...) can use the SPDY protocol when loading a page? I do know the basics of network techics (OSI Modell with the 7 layers). I never owned a server or maintained it so that maybe the reason I dont understand the thing. What I do think: the spdy indicator aint blinking because the program is buggy or most of the tested sites simply deactivated spdy in favor of http/2, Some webpages that can tell if a page like e.g. facebook.com, twitter.com uses spdy/http/2 claimed that some of the pages loading where in fact using "spdy". But the indicator never blinked. So what can you tell about spdy that is necessary for a user to take advantage of it, (dont forget the friend of mine cant test any http/2 browser since OS is too old). But he would like to know if it simply might not work because the systems are just too old, the networks card or cables may be the fault(or too old drivers), or if the browser itself interacting with the Operating system might not find necessary functions to use spdy. Ofcourse I believe the servers dont use this standard anymore in most cases, that would explain much. Im not sure if this is the case for his setup, and the first opera version supported only supported SPDY version 2 and version 3 I think.
  11. First I must say Im not into programming(anymore). And never really saw a line of code thats used for webkit compiling. I recently got hands of this version of Webkit "WebKit-SVN-r131444".I dont know if someone here ever compiled webkit for windows or another platform ever. So if I get no answer Im not disappointed. I found this online sites mentioning how to "build with webkit on windows" http://web.archive.org/web/20071217211734/http://webkit.org/building/build.html http://blog.ashodnakashian.com/2011/09/building-webkit-on-windows/ I linked to an version of the webkit homepage thats only available on the webarchive.org because the same instruction isnt accessible anymore. I would have a lot of questions probably as I never tried a thing like that. But the most important one for me is just one: Is it really possible with these descriptions to build compile a webkit version like the one I mentioned above? I think the version I would use is from 2012. What I want to try is to compile it and see what operating systems would be able to use the compiled files. Theres also a "minibrowser.exe" file in the archive. Just that you know why Im asking this. It sure is alot of time to prepare and compile that stuff. Since I dont want to waste the time when maybe the missing of one program /tool /file necessary command required could spoil it all im just asking now. Since the webkit homepage from now doesnt provide any tutorials for Webkit on Windows anymore, knowing if this is actually possible is very important for my decision to try it out. So if someone has ever tried a thing like this or knows the tutorials /or webkit ,I would be happy to read about the things that come to your mind. I know this is a long comment but really only my question is from importance.
  12. If the topic here also had the keywords Palemoon maybe it would be better. Does it require KernelEx only or Kext too? If its a different thing than no problem make a new topic. Additionally I could link to it from the "General discussion" posting I made. Its what I expected. IE6 allows login but you dont see alot of stuff. You could read, but you werent able to write. Logout isnt possible via button, but ofcourse in the source code you could find the link. But thats not how browsers are meant to be used for the common users.
  13. @~♥Aiko♥Chan♥~ I might check when I got time if that webkit browser you linked to works. The posters in the "Chrome on me" topic seem to came to the conclusion that it wasnt Windows ME at all. At least one of them that watched the video. User "Flasche"'s post of a PM of the user that made the video (btw. the video got deleted), also implies that that user also used Windows 2000 some times and doesnt remember how he did it. More interesting concerning Webkit would be if one could implement also more modern webkit version files (once they are compiled). Its some work to do and there are also instructions on the net how to "Building Webkit". Having a working older browser relying on webkit that could be upgraded would be an option. Also I think "Gecko" (used in Firefox, K-Meleon and others)-browsers that are not so well known might be a try. If somebody has a source code for opensource browser and programming skills (with the right tools) it might be doable somehow. All browsers I tested so far that are webkitbased however didnt support Youtube, another one didnt have the ability to load Wikipedia and E-Mails are another thing. This security certificates stuff is serious stuff that would maybe only work if theres a browser that allowed e-mailing before and is now available as opensource. Since many Linux users wont be so interested to support Windows users at all its not easy to say if that exists.
  14. I recently added to this board that my experience is that this is true. Checked on September 2nd 2017 this morning. Tried Firefox and other variations of Firefox. Opera 12.0x and login wasnt ever possible. Might have something to do with https/ssl/certificates or such stuff. Im not sure. IE6 that wont even load google.com or youtube funnily achieved to login atleast. I dont know how long the board will still be on, but just that you know there are issues with windows 9x. And so all Windows 9x just you know, that happened also on other systems. You can ofcourse still read topics and so, but the load time may be different from browser to browser. Would be interesting to find out what the issue is, but I think it may really not be worth of the time. So just an information for all. Also: On Windows 9x you do get the message "MSFN is made available via donations, subscriptions and advertising revenue. The use of ad-blocking software hurts the site. Please disable ad-blocking software or set an exception for MSFN. Alternatively, register and become a site sponsor/subscriber and ads will be disabled automatically. " But the ads are not displayed all the time. Atleast I remember it was so on Opera 12 with inprivate mode. I didnt make any screenshots. Also the "Opera Emulator" version 11 (designed to test mobile surfing) didnt allow login. If someone own the "Opera Mini" browser please check if the board login still works, since Opera mini also uses presto engine (should be the similiar to "Opera Emulator"). Might be Opera 12.1x supports login. So maybe somebody with Windows 2000 can tell if things work better from there.
  15. I can testify, that msfn.org login also doesnt work on older browsers for Windows 9x even with KernelEx. Funny enough: I was able to login with IE6, but ofcourse I wasnt able to comment at all. Firefox/Opera and even an older Webkit version didnt even allow me to login. I checked it this morning on my Windows 98SE. KernelEx 4.5.2 is installed.