[aviv00]

cool, might be cos unattained.xml use diff pkgmgr

however better use the latest pkmgr
cos the windows server 2008 rtm is sp1 too

This post has been edited by aviv00: 02 May 2008 - 06:48 AM

[gsharad007]

i think i made the installed disc space to 4.3 gb from 4.6 gb which is actually too much work for too little gain. also make me wonder what else is present in server2008 coz vlited vista sp1 (preintegrated) takes about ~2gb space. (both 64 bit)

as in server 2003 adding removing roles didn't require the original disc meaning all the files were present on the disc i think the same thing is there in 2008 so i was wondering if/how i can remove all the stuff from the hdd which i might never use. all those server stuff. i was thinking maybe waik did that but if i am gaining only 300 mb after removing just about everything it probably isn't cleaning it all up.

something worth looking into.

also on a side note 2008 running in VM ( 1gb ram ) on my xp machine was more responsive than my xp (nlited very lite). :-P. i understand i was running a lot of stuff on xp then but still compared to vista running in that same VM it was multitudes faster.

This post has been edited by gsharad007: 03 May 2008 - 12:58 AM

[aviv00]

gsharad007, on May 3 2008, 12:57 AM, said:

i think i made the installed disc space to 4.3 gb from 4.6 gb which is actually too much work for too little gain. also make me wonder what else is present in server2008 coz vlited vista sp1 (preintegrated) takes about ~2gb space. (both 64 bit)
im wondering too try maybe using older vlite like 1.1??

as in server 2003 adding removing roles didn't require the original disc meaning all the files were present on the disc i think the same thing is there in 2008 so i was wondering if/how i can remove all the stuff from the hdd which i might never use. all those server stuff. i was thinking maybe waik did that but if i am gaining only 300 mb after removing just about everything it probably isn't cleaning it all up.

something worth looking into.

yea i notice that too asked nuhi about it, companies wont use vlite and or users wont buy ws2008 so he say there no point to get into it

also on a side note 2008 running in VM ( 1gb ram ) on my xp machine was more responsive than my xp (nlited very lite). :-P. i understand i was running a lot of stuff on xp then but still compared to vista running in that same VM it was multitudes faster.

check that link:
http://forum.noteboo...ad.php?t=242891
more info about ws2008
http://www.imagebam....e/9786675364575

This post has been edited by aviv00: 03 May 2008 - 11:48 AM

[gsharad007]

aviv00, on May 3 2008, 11:14 PM, said:

check that link:
http://forum.noteboo...ad.php?t=242891
more info about ws2008
http://www.imagebam....e/9786675364575

had already seen those links and many more thats why i tried 2008 in the first place and now that i have tried it and viva-la-difference.

well my company would probably move to 2008 as client systems from the current xp sometime in the near future. i know there is a large cost difference but if it helps productivity the cost can be overcome.

a lot of people would be trying 2008 especially since their trial lets you run for 240 days.

also 2008 disc size is just ~2gb compared to vista ~4.3 gb and still it takes twice as much disc space (plain 2008 install takes 12 gb) once installed. which only means there are a lot of duplicate files, not installed stuff resides on the hard drives.

also i just tried to install .NET 3 on a plain vlited install and it didn't install is this what means breaking the add role/feature. earlier i thought the utility crashed and didn't show up the feature list.

[Petrarca]

aviv00, on May 3 2008, 07:44 PM, said:

check that link:
http://forum.noteboo...ad.php?t=242891
more info about ws2008
http://www.imagebam....e/9786675364575

Looks like they did indeed apply some improvements to Windows 2008, so it's not just Vista+SP1.

[aviv00]

its might be the same so when its vista the system double checking everything and make it slower

else should be the DRM system

that make vista slower

This post has been edited by aviv00: 05 May 2008 - 07:41 AM

[gsharad007]

aviv00, on May 5 2008, 07:10 PM, said:

its might be the same so when its vista the system double checking everything and make it slower

else should be the DRM system

that make vista slower

the benchmarks reveal that disc and memory/cache access is much slower in vista which might mean vista is writing/reading from the disc a lot more in the background. could be indexing could be superfetch could be anything. might be worth it if someone took a bare bone vista and compared it to barebone 2008. then the real numbers would be apparent.

[RamGuy]

So any update on when we will see a component removal that supports Server 2008?


What can I actually remove, without breaking the add feature option?


I know I can remove languages and drivers, is that it?

Are lots of stuff I want to get rid of

[aviv00]

gsharad007 search for superfatch tweak

RamGuy
u could use ocsetup to install feathers

[Petrarca]

I'll be trying out my own config (Windows 2008 Server Standard x64) today.
If it's successful, I'll post the results here.

edit:
Tried it out and "Add Features" looks ok
iso is 1.8gb (including Italian language pack).

Here's my LastSession.ini:
(it says "German" because the English iso wouldn't work properly, for whatever reason)

; vLite preset file
;
;#Environment:
; vLite v1.1.6
; Framework 2.0.50727.1434
; Microsoft Windows NT 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 64-bit
;
;#Target:
; Windows Longhorn SERVERSTANDARD 64-bit Service Pack 1
; Version 6.0.6001.18000 German (Germany)
;
[Compatibility]
Halo 2
KMPlayer

[CustomHide]

[Components]
;# Drivers #
Display adapters-Intel
Display adapters-nVidia
Diva Server
Printers-Apollo
Printers-Brother
Printers-Canon
Printers-Citizen
Printers-Dell
Printers-Diconix
Printers-Fuji Xerox
Printers-Fujitsu
Printers-Gestetner
Printers-HP
Printers-IBM
Printers-Infotec
Printers-Konica
Printers-Konica Minolta
Printers-Kyocera Mita
Printers-Lanier
Printers-Lexmark
Printers-Minolta
Printers-Minolta-QMS
Printers-NEC
Printers-NRG
Printers-Oce
Printers-Oki
Printers-Okidata
Printers-Olivetti
Printers-Panasonic
Printers-QMS
Printers-Ricoh
Printers-Samsung
Printers-Savin
Printers-Seikosha
Printers-Sharp
Printers-Sony
Printers-Star
Printers-Tally
Printers-Tektronix
Printers-Wipro ePeripherals
Printers-Xerox
TV Tuners-ADS Technologies
TV Tuners-ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
TV Tuners-AVerMedia Technologies, Inc.
TV Tuners-Compro Technology Inc.
TV Tuners-Conexant Systems, Inc.
TV Tuners-Creatix
TV Tuners-Hauppauge
TV Tuners-KNC ONE GmbH
TV Tuners-KWorld
TV Tuners-Lumanate, Inc.
TV Tuners-Philips Semiconductors
TV Tuners-Pinnacle Systems
TV Tuners-TerraTec Electronic GmbH
TV Tuners-VidzMedia Pte Ltd.
TV Tuners-ViXS Systems Inc.
;# Hardware Support #
Floppy Disk Support
Internet Small Computer System Interface (iSCSI)
Windows Mobile Device Center
;# Multimedia #
Music and Video samples
Sample Pictures
Shell event sounds
Wallpapers
;# Network #
File and printer sharing (Server)
Internet Explorer
Internet Information Services (IIS)
Remote Desktop and Assistance
Remote Desktop Client
Windows Firewall
Windows Mail
;# Services #
Computer Browser
Error Reporting
Internet Connection Sharing (ICS)
Offline Files
Remote Registry
Windows Time
;# System #
Disk Defragmenter
Disk Quota
IMAPIv2 Burning Support
Malicious Software Removal Tool
Microsoft Agent
Natural Language
Zip Folder

[Options]
DEP (Data Execution Prevention) = Enabled only for OS components (Optin)
User Account Control (UAC) = Disabled
AntiSpyware Realtime Protection = Default
AutoPlay = Disabled
Paging Executive = Disabled
Power scheme = Balanced
Power button = Shutdown
Sleep button = Do nothing
Hibernation = Off
Control Panel - Classic View = Enabled
Show hidden files and folders = Yes
Show protected operating system files = Yes
Show extensions for known file types = Yes
IE Phishing Filter = Default
IE Phishing Verification Ballon Tips = Default

[Protection]

[Drivers]

[Unattended]
SpecRegional
AcceptEULA
SkipAutoActivation
NetworkLoc = 1
ProtectPC = 3

[Hotfixes]

[LanguagePacks]
E:\it-it\lp.cab

This post has been edited by Petrarca: 06 May 2008 - 05:35 PM

[aviv00]

did u rebuild the iso at the end ?

[Petrarca]

aviv00, on May 7 2008, 01:59 PM, said:

did u rebuild the iso at the end ?

Yes, I did rebuild it as an "Server Standard" only iso - worked without any problems.

[geo411m]

RamGuy, on May 6 2008, 08:53 AM, said:

So any update on when we will see a component removal that supports Server 2008?


What can I actually remove, without breaking the add feature option?


I know I can remove languages and drivers, is that it?

Are lots of stuff I want to get rid of

Here's my Last Session.ini file. final iso size is 788mb. All server features work that i'm aware of.

Edit: check my later post for revised ini

This post has been edited by geo411m: 16 May 2008 - 06:54 AM

[aviv00]

geo411m nice ini but u could remove more

another subject

i tested something new about winsxs removal

[Remove backup files without remove the Comps]
the idea in general:
now its could remove same backup files from winsxs dir by using vlite without need to remove the comp from it
i save 320MB in 32bit server without remove all the comps
its half from what i could even remove using vlite

it bit hard to do it
i will explain it in short

how to do it:
after v-liteing ur server 2008 [ or vista]
u have same comps left in vlite u could remove but u need ofc

u could remove the backup files in winsxs dir
but ofc without use the dupe method [post at another topic "winsxs removal.." ]

but with vlite itself [why ? safer i guess ]

make a test copy from ur own vlited and vlite it as well removing everything [ non-extreme]

after that u will need to use "whereisit" app [ sure u need mount it and use whereisit to save it to clg ]
[and mount back to ur original vlited server or vista]

and watch what files was remove from the winsxs only [just go to this dir in whereisit and do comper to media]

remove the new files ["the new files"] [take own and full access to it]


few notices:

* [windows update] didnt succes to install same active-x update but the another update was fine

* just server manager and ocsetup wont work so u really need to use WAIK to pre-install it all

* the rest of the os working fine checked it not fully just in vmware!

* the size u should gain from all this mess is about half [of the test copy diff]

* so not alot if u are in 32bit

* use this link if u wanna more info http://www.msfn.org/board/Guide-WinSxS-Dup...el-t109131.html

Edit at 16.5.2008

i see that .NET Framework could have the same idea and save more 180mb to 32bit
gonna test it
so 32bit goes from 2500 to 2000~ whice is nice
gonna save around 1giga at 64bit

did the test in vmware looking ok
*checked vlite working ok

the comps still exist but same space were saved

Attached File(s)

•  server.png (98.15K)
  Number of downloads: 133

This post has been edited by aviv00: 18 May 2008 - 03:50 AM

[geo411m]

aviv00, on May 15 2008, 03:56 PM, said:

geo411m nice ini but u could remove more

I know but when i tried to it broke add remove feature. I think it still need "Help" thats the only really large file left. what else can be removed that you know of?

[aviv00]

u could use ocsetup to install it

better test ur new vlite os on vmware before going install it

This post has been edited by aviv00: 15 May 2008 - 02:19 PM

[geo411m]

I've gotten my server install even smaller but breaking under 700mb may be impossible while keeping add/ remove feature from breaking. my latest size is 746mb.

; vLite preset file
;
;#Environment:
; vLite v1.1.6
; Framework 2.0.50727.1434
; Microsoft Windows NT 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 32-bit
;
;#Target:
; Windows Longhorn SERVERENTERPRISE 32-bit Service Pack 1
; Version 6.0.6001.18000 English (United States)
;
[Compatibility]
DriveimageXML
DVD Treasury
Halo 2
Hauppauge WinTV
KMPlayer
Aero Glass
File and printer sharing (Server)
Internet Explorer
Internet Information Services (IIS)
Recommended
Windows Fax and Scan

[CustomHide]

[Components]
;# Accessories #
Accessibility
Speech Support
;# Drivers #
Display adapters-Ati
Display adapters-Intel
Display adapters-nVidia
Display adapters-S3
Display adapters-SiS
Diva Server
Modems
Printers-Apollo
Printers-Brother
Printers-Canon
Printers-Citizen
Printers-Dell
Printers-Diconix
Printers-Epson
Printers-Fuji Xerox
Printers-Fujitsu
Printers-Generic printer
Printers-Gestetner
Printers-HP
Printers-IBM
Printers-Infotec
Printers-Konica
Printers-Konica Minolta
Printers-Kyocera Mita
Printers-Lanier
Printers-Lexmark
Printers-Minolta
Printers-Minolta-QMS
Printers-NEC
Printers-NRG
Printers-Oce
Printers-Oki
Printers-Okidata
Printers-Olivetti
Printers-Panasonic
Printers-QMS
Printers-Ricoh
Printers-Samsung
Printers-Savin
Printers-Seikosha
Printers-Sharp
Printers-Sony
Printers-Star
Printers-Tally
Printers-Tektronix
Printers-Wipro ePeripherals
Printers-Xerox
QLogic Fibre Channel Adapter
Scanners
TV Tuners-ADS Technologies
TV Tuners-ASUSTeK Computer Inc.
TV Tuners-AVerMedia Technologies, Inc.
TV Tuners-Compro Technology Inc.
TV Tuners-Conexant Systems, Inc.
TV Tuners-Creatix
TV Tuners-Hauppauge
TV Tuners-KNC ONE GmbH
TV Tuners-KWorld
TV Tuners-Lumanate, Inc.
TV Tuners-Philips Semiconductors
TV Tuners-Pinnacle Systems
TV Tuners-TerraTec Electronic GmbH
TV Tuners-VidzMedia Pte Ltd.
TV Tuners-ViXS Systems Inc.
;# Languages #
Arabic
Brazillian
Bulgarian
Croatian
Czech
Danish
Dutch
Estonian
Finnish
French
German
Greek
Hebrew
Hungarian
Italian
Japanese
Korean
Latvian
Lithuanian
Norwegian
Polish
Portuguese
Romanian
Russian
Serbian
Simplified Chinese
Slovak
Slovenian
Spanish
Swedish
Table Driven Text Input Processor
Thai
Traditional Chinese
Turkish
Ukrainian
;# Multimedia #
Music and Video samples
Sample Pictures
Shell event sounds
;# System #
Manual Install (Setup.exe)
Natural Language
Windows Easy Transfer

[Options]
DEP (Data Execution Prevention) = Default
User Account Control (UAC) = Enabled
AntiSpyware Realtime Protection = Default
AutoPlay = Enabled
Paging Executive = Enabled
Power scheme = Balanced
Power button = Shutdown
Sleep button = Do nothing
Hibernation = Default
Memory requirement = 256MB
Control Panel - Classic View = Default
Show hidden files and folders = No
Show protected operating system files = No
Show extensions for known file types = No
IE Phishing Filter = Default
IE Phishing Verification Ballon Tips = Default

[Protection]

[Drivers]

[Unattended]

[Hotfixes]

[LanguagePacks]

[aviv00]

u could do more but then u need to use waik if u looking for tut
go to post #1 u will see it in the index

[Innocent Devil]

hi aviv00,

am following u r guide and stripped it down to almost earth.
WSIM shows only 20 packages remaining (out of 201 as u said)

and .net30 and Desktop Experience is preinstalled.

den vlited extreme (vlite last session and WSIM package list are attached)

winsxs is only ~115MB. total VM hd size is 1.66GB, iso size is 540MB

and still aero is working :thumbsup

didnt checkd i-net connectivity (am over a dial up )


probs:

some mmc snapins get malfunctioning
of that Services is important, (no services snapin, it hard to configure services via regedit )

any clue abt that ??

wat packages should be saved or visibility=2 in registry ?

Attached File(s)

•  WSIM.png (15.94K)
  Number of downloads: 118
•  Last_Session.ini (8.32K)
  Number of downloads: 56

[aviv00]

Microsoft-Windows-GroupPolicy-ClientExtensions-Package
Microsoft-Windows-GroupPolicy-ClientTools-Package
why u didnt leave those ?
those are the gpedit.msc and secpol.msc

http://www.msfn.org/board/Win-server-2008-...242#entry743242

This post has been edited by aviv00: 08 June 2008 - 04:18 AM