[Kurt_Aust]

Johnhc:
Your example is correct.

TranceEnergy:
I don't entirely understand your problem, could you post a screenshot?

[TranceEnergy]

Kurt_Aust, on May 13 2008, 12:35 PM, said:

Johnhc:
Your example is correct.

TranceEnergy:
I don't entirely understand your problem, could you post a screenshot?

Imagine Add/Remove Programs in Control panel? You start it, and you see 2 entries for visual basic runtime files for x86 f.ex
Not just 1 entry. Sorry for bad writing. One other thing tho i have had much trouble with disk.sys since i bought new computer, always used xp pro x64 since it came out almost, and now have random disk.sys bsods. I was only wondering if there is some update that could cause instability on some part with disk.sys? It's driving me crazy. Not that i arent already. On Vista x64, no trouble, so it is the os.

One more thing, .Net framework 1.1 on x64, xp at least.
I know it will install and installer works great, tho small notice on install. Is not .net 1.1 needed because 2.0/3.0 does not contain it?
Also if i do not install .net 1.1 on xp x64 and i run CCleaner, then it will find missing registry keys for .net 1.1
At least thats what i remember it reports, it could be that ccleaner just doesnt understand like variables for windows paths f.ex %systemroot%. (tho it does understand that, but x64 has some folders 32bit doesnt have, and there may be 'conflict' in ccleaner there on x64 versions).

This post has been edited by TranceEnergy: 13 May 2008 - 05:09 AM

[johnhc]

Kurt, Thanks again!
John

[johnhc]

Kurt,
In going line by line through your RUN1_XP-64.BAT file, I came up with some questions and a comment:
1. You install Visual C++. Is this your preference or does something else need it?
2. You install VirtualBox and VirtualPC. My searching indicated that neither support x64 guest systems. Is this correct? BTW, I find VMware Server great!
3. The name of the DirectX installer is now directx_mar2008_redist.exe since the latest update.
Thanks, John.

[TranceEnergy]

On a sidenote Visual Basic 2008 runtime files have been out on the market for a while.
I havent downloaded the x64 version yet, so i dont know 100% that it exists, but i would believe so.
The directx installer here runs from %Source%DX9c\DXsetup.exe /Silent, which is from the extracted directx_mar2008_redist.exe.
No problems here installing that. I talk to friend who is a programmer and he uses c+ express 2008 edition, which he says is very popular.
Coding games demos etc. I am curious, if 2008 version contains backwards compability, and system can be patched so 2005 version is not needed.
But as i wrote in previous post, i think certain installers, ie the ATI drivers installer, forces the 2005 install anyway.

[Kurt_Aust]

No new updates this month.

KB943729 (Group Policy Preference Client Side Extensions) still doesn't work properly with Windows Update, if it's still not working next month it will be dropped.

Added information on testing:
I use VMware Server for testing purposes, it's free but has some limitations (no sound for one) and requires registration. Before downloading and installing, use this tool to ensure that your processor will support 64-bit guests. Silent installation of Virtual Machine extensions is supported, there is a file "windows.iso" at "\Program Files (x86)\VMware\server" extract its contents and save them to \AddOns\VMware.

The good news for the month is that there is a new version of the WMP11 slipstreamer out (v1.2) that fixes the problems with XP x64 integration. So you can once again get your Boooggy on.


JohnHC:
1. Visual C++ is entirely optional, just like .Net, Defender, et al. I've restructured the download list to make this clearer.
2. You are correct in that neither Virtualbox nor VirtualPC support 64-bit guests. They are supported for installation in Run1_XP-64.bat because compared to VMware server they are about 1/5 the size, take about 1/10 the time to install and do not require registration. The most useful O.S. for a user of XP x64 to virtualize is Win 98se, for this VirtualPC 2007 is best (VirtualBox doesn't properly support 98se).
3. As TranceEnergy noted, you missed the part about EXTRACTing the DirectX redistributable, again I've made it clearer.

Trance Energy:
I haven't included .Net 1.1 because it isn't officially supported on XP x64, yes I know it can be made to work but as far as is feasible this guide will use only those programs / runtimes that are officially supported.
I was going to include the Visual C++ 2008 runtimes, but Microsoft brilliantly decided to give the file the exact same name as the Visual C++ 2005 SP1 runtimes. As I've come across a program that requires the 05 version (and won't work with the 08 one), guess which version gets the slot?
As I've never encountered your double entry problem (even on my ATI chipset laptop I use for testing), I don't think I'll be able to help you.

[johnhc]

Kurt, Thanks again!
I indeed did not see the part about extracting DirectX.
I was just about to start looking at how to silently install VMware Tools, so thank you very much for that.
John

[TranceEnergy]

I used to use wmp ss 0.991 i think it was, with no problem, i deleted the old version yesterday so dont really know if it was 0.991 or 0.996 lol.
Anyway wmp ran just fine, tho i am currently moving more to using only portable firefox with media connectivity plugin, so to use vlc or mplayer instead of wmp.

One quick thing about wmp11 and its integration: upon finished install if i go into sysoc.inf file and delete "hide" from wmp11 files, i can remove certain extra files from add/remove in control panel. I dont know if it actually does anything, but it looks like it anyway.
I find the wmp11 network and sharing services or what they were called, bloatware, annyoing at best.
Maybe it could be made a registry file or something so the extra wmp crap can be deleted upon install or so.
I'm also hoping nuhi will take a better look at x64 after a while. the Iasjet service has been laying around as dead meat for ages now.
Ie the service entry and name are all there, except the service doesnt exist as its removed,that is on my test install showed here.

[johnhc]

Kurt,
I have been installing a few items at a time (I have allocated only 4GB virtual C disk) using your procedures and have run into a problem with .NET 3.5. Somewhere in the middle of the install, my host computer suddenly restarted. I found nothing in my host System log or my guest System log. I copied the install file from the DVD to my guest DT. I checked the hash and it was correct, then executed it with no problems. A few steps into the install, it gave me a dialog about DLing 65 MB. It did not identify what was being DLed, but it completed (an told me I could close my Internet connection) and proceeded with no problems. I assume (perhaps falsely) that there is no Internet connection at the time your procedure is running. This all brings up a few questions:
1. What was it DLing?
2. Is this what crashed my host?
3. How can I get around this problem (assuming it repeats; only tried once) ?
4. Have you installed .NET 3.5 with no problems?

Thanks for any help.
John

[Kurt_Aust]

JohnHC:
4GB? That's a bit cheap, I'd recommend at least twice that. I allocate a 16GB dynamic virtual HDD on a USB HDD attached to my laptop when testing. With the full application loadout that I test it uses 6GB.

To your host computer, your VM experiments just look like another application, admittedly one with more intense disk usage and deeper hooks than most. Probably the best comparison is to an Anti-Virus scan. In other words it's extremely unlikely that your host crashing has anything to do with the guest installing .Net 3.5

1. As the .Net installation was crashed midway, the installation would have been damaged. The download would most likely be something to do with the repair.
2. It did not crash the host, these are not the droids you're looking for...
3. Try again, hard to see how it's anything but a freak coincidence.
4. I've never had any problems installing .Net 3.5 in at least 10 trials.

All my install tests are done with the VM having no net connection and I recommend real installs be done the same way. Vista is a bit different in that it checks for driver updates as part of the install, hence installing while connected behind a router makes sense in Vista's case.


TranceEnergy:
The problem with the WMP11 slipstreamer was that WMP11 would not initialize in limited accounts (Boooggy said there were some other problems as well), so if you only run as an administrator, you wouldn't have come across the problem. Also the limited account problem was a regression bug, it didn't exist in version 0.96 or earlier of the slipstreamer (but KB941569 wouldn't integrate). That being said, I don't use WMP11 either, I use Media Player Classic (less resource use and I don't have a music library to manage).

The one thing I'd really like fixed is the Windows Update service when IE7 is integrated, my method of altering the link's properties, while it works, is a bit dodgy.

This post has been edited by Kurt_Aust: 19 May 2008 - 03:42 AM

[TranceEnergy]

Ok thanks for clearing things up! I have sucessfully installed xp pro x64 sp2 all fixes all ie7 all wmp11, with dotnet3.5 at a 3GB virtual c disk with no problems. However, you MUST have Print spooler set to automatic! It will fail if not or crash or whatever, here it simply stopped half way with some obcsure error msg. I googled it and sure enough, Print spooler must be active.

[johnhc]

Kurt,
I installed the same DVD on the same VM and had no problems.

I do have a candidate for the crash. I began having DCOM errors show up in my System log after I installed VMware Server on my host. I have attached a screen shot. When I applied the fix, the DCOM errors stopped. On at least one occasion, my host rebooted while I was watching and a DCOM error (actually an identical pair) showed in my System log. I am now seeing the paired DCOM errors in the log on my guest VMs. I think the errors are in response to something VMware Server is doing. MS has a fix here: KB899965 (not an update).

You might look at your System logs on both your host(s) and guest(s) and see if you are having the same errors.

Thanks for your response.
John

This post has been edited by johnhc: 19 May 2008 - 02:40 PM

[Kurt_Aust]

I've taken a look at the event logs.

On the host there are some DCOM errors, but the times don't match to when I was installing XP x64 in VMware server (and they didn't cause a reboot either).

On the guest there are exactly the same paired errors (same ID numbers), but as far as I can tell they resulted in no actual problems (certainly no reboots). Checking the ID string in the registry returns "HWDeviceCustomProperties", not particularly useful.

[johnhc]

Kurt,
I found the DCOM errors in my host log even when I was not doing much if anything with VMware. The errors began after I installed VMware. Most of the errors do not seem to cause a problem, but I have seen several reboots (2 or 3) and one when I was watching that was well correlated to the DCOM error in the host log. I seem to remember that I was was editing a file but VMware was running.
You are right, the 'HWDeviceCustomProperties' is not very helpful. I just Googled it and found a lot of people had problems with it including 'DCOM is crashing my system'. You have to use the GUID ({B1B9CBB2-B198-47E2-8260-9FD629A2B2EC} on both my host and guest) to access the DCOM Config page in Components Services. Mine is near the bottom with other items without a so called 'friendly name'.
I have seen no more DCOM errors in my host log since I applied the fix.
Enjoy.
John

[TranceEnergy]

Hey Kurt.

On the booogy website there's a link to all wmp hotfixes, about 10-12 that works fine to integrate. How come you only link to 4 of them?
Or is it that the rest is just bloat? I dont know really.

[Kurt_Aust]

TranceEnergy, on May 21 2008, 05:55 AM, said:

Hey Kurt.

On the booogy website there's a link to all wmp hotfixes, about 10-12 that works fine to integrate. How come you only link to 4 of them?
Or is it that the rest is just bloat? I dont know really.

Partly it's a difference in objectives, the purpose of my guide is to have an install media that's fully up to date as far as Windows Update is concerned. That is, the main focus will always be on security related bugs and just for that there's well over half a GB of downloads already. OK, so I add some popular runtimes, but they're marked as optional.

Also most of the hotfixes listed by Boooggy are for fairly exotic circumstances, it's probably safe to say that the vast majority of users will never encounter the situations described (if it was a common occurrence then they would be pushed out by Windows Update).

Another reason is that there is no page at the Microsoft download center for many of the listed hotfixes (which goes against the open and standardized as possible philosophy of this guide).

[Tonga]

This is great thank you! I've already tested it and so far everything looks in working order. Building a new system that this will be going on.

[TranceEnergy]

This is probably not the place to post this, but I would be interested in making a graphical update pack to xp x64, but i've constantly checked on xpize and there's no x64bit support because they dont have the required software sources or something like that to make it happen.

It would be neat if i could make custom icons and all for it and was hoping possibly there could be some tools to assist in this task?

edit: I did a test in vmware earlier today, and when having installed a *very* lite, tho still usuable x64 with only updates being ie7 as far as hotfixes are concerned, i was able to leave out a few hotfixes, this i tested, among them was 180-IE7-WindowsServer2003.WindowsXP-KB938127-x64-ENU.exe,
However, i had removed lots from image. I just thought it would be neat if a small comment could be made that, especially true for example outlook express, that if you remove such stuff you may not need the hotfix. Saved me another 17mb compressed on iso =)

Also i was searching for nlite addon maker tool, because i wanted to make addon of latest amd dual core optimizer. Knowing you also have amd Kurt, perhaps you know of such tool. I found one version of Amd DCO nlite addon, but it was from 2006, and not current version AFAIK.

One more thing, trying to do a silent install of dotnetfx, .net framework 1.1 clean from ms, with /Q doesnt work as quietly as it does show the warning message that it wasnt made for x64 OS. The .net 1.1 service pack and hotfix work just fine with /Q parameters.
Would be neat if there was a way around this..

I would also like to see that you include a comment about .net 3.5's parameter for language install. If i , also tested, runs without it and have help service etc, languages intact it installs norwegian language pack here, at least if internet connection is active. Very annyoing for me.
It should default to lang:enu as that would skip any language pack installation. Less bloat is good.

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This post has been edited by TranceEnergy: 07 June 2008 - 08:19 PM

[TranceEnergy]

New Installer for Microsoft MSI 4.5, 64bit individual version available.

Many programs use MSI as installer, and having latest version of this is good then i would assume?

Program link here contains link to x64 versions. Choose WindowsServer2003-KB942288-v4-x64.exe, 4.5 MB for xp/2003 64bit.

Silent install is possible. /quiet /passive /norestart for example.
Other parameters include /nobackup and /overwriteoem.

There's also a /integrate parameter, but how that would work i dont know.
If its ment to integrate with xp source and what not.

update: more info on new installer, apparently it is much better in several areas =)
One thing i liked, quote :
"One major bug fix which developers will appreciate has to do with prior Installers' tendency to clean up too much after themselves, often removing interim components that were necessary to later steps in the process. In a post last month to the Windows Installer team blog, one developer wrote, "When a patch added new content in the form of a new component and that patch was being uninstalled, we used to remove that content, even if that content is shared by other products. This is now fixed in Windows Installer 4.5."

Link to quote and info

This post has been edited by TranceEnergy: 07 June 2008 - 08:18 PM

[TranceEnergy]

New Microsoft Desktop Search 4.0 for Windows xp/2003 x64bit edition available.
WindowsSearch-KB940157-Srv2K3_XP-x64-enu.exe /q /u /z
/q is for quiet install, /u for unattended mode, /z for norestart.

Download link here

It install Windows Search service as seen in Vista.

Searchindexer.exe (26MB memory used by process) and WindowsSearch.exe (8MB memory used by process), are running after installation.
No reboot required. Might be needed for uninstall if you have not closed programs.

Depends on having Terminal Services installed. Do not remove if you want this program.

MDS 4.0 is not to be confused with indexing service, you dont need that installed for this to work, as far as i can tell.
Tested with /u /z parameters. Flawless install.

This post has been edited by TranceEnergy: 07 June 2008 - 08:14 PM