[benifin]

Hi all !

Please see here:-

http://www.techarp.c....aspx?artno=505

Assuming the report is right, the MS servers will be getting a hammering in a few days.

Question for nuhi re: Slipstreaming

Assuming MS release SP1 with the abiltiy to be slipstreamed [ ie: like the XP Service Packs can be slipstreamed with Nlite ]
will the current 1.1 Vlite allow users to slipstream SP1 or would that require an update from your end ?

All the best,
Ben

This post has been edited by benifin: 02 February 2008 - 01:15 AM

[cluberti]

benifin, on Feb 2 2008, 02:11 AM, said:

Assuming MS release SP1 with the abiltiy to be slipstreamed [ ie: like the XP Service Packs can be slipstreamed with Nlite ]

Vista SP1 cannot be "slipstreamed" to an offline Vista image (and that includes the RTM install.wim from the Vista CD):

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customers cannot apply SP1 to offline Windows Vista images.

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Integrated DVD. The integrated DVD version of Windows Vista SP1 is media that already contains the service pack, which companies can use to deploy the operating system to new computers or to upgrade existing computers. Availability will be limited. Microsoft will update Windows Vista retail media with Windows Vista SP1 slipstream media in the future. Slipstream media will also be available to Volume Licensing customers.

Maybe it can be hacked in, but SP1 will not be slipstream-able. Rumor has it that future service packs will be.

[suryad]

Interesting. Wonder why they made SP1 not slipstreamable.

[redxii]

suryad, on Feb 2 2008, 06:00 PM, said:

Interesting. Wonder why they made SP1 not slipstreamable.

Not only that, but Office 2007 SP1 can't be slipstreamed.

They're going backwards... or just dumb, one of those.

[benifin]

Hmmm .............just wondering ...............

Assuming the article IS correct and it does go Final / RTM on Feb 4, does that mean it will be avaialble for download direclty from M/S at the same time / same day ?

Ben

[jroc]

redxii, on Feb 2 2008, 07:46 PM, said:

suryad, on Feb 2 2008, 06:00 PM, said:

Interesting. Wonder why they made SP1 not slipstreamable.

Not only that, but Office 2007 SP1 can't be slipstreamed.

They're going backwards... or just dumb, one of those.

your absolutely wrong about office 2007..its not the slipstream that were all once use to but its done with the SP1 converted into .msp files and put into the 'updates' folder that is listed with office cd...in fact I just installed Office Enterprise 2007 SP1 DVD after installing Vista....Vista DVD also has a 'update' folder and I wonder if something similar will be the future option to some.

This post has been edited by jroc: 02 February 2008 - 09:21 PM

[redxii]

That's not a slipstream; not 'a slipstream method that I'm not used to' but it goes by some other name than "slipstream" or "integration". Perhaps a "post-setup task".

What if Microsoft just says "Oh we'll just put the Vista service pack file in the Updates folder and distribute it to retailers and put a nice "SP1" bubble on the box"? Not only would it take up more space, but AFTER setup you'd be waiting another good hour to have "Vista SP1", spending more time just so the SP1 installer can overwrite the files you just copied when the install source itself could have been updated.

This post has been edited by redxii: 02 February 2008 - 09:52 PM

[jroc]

redxii, on Feb 2 2008, 10:44 PM, said:

That's not a slipstream; not 'a slipstream method that I'm not used to' but it goes by some other name than "slipstream" or "integration". Perhaps a "post-setup task".

What if Microsoft just says "Oh we'll just put the Vista service pack file in the Updates folder and distribute it to retailers and put a nice "SP1" bubble on the box"? Not only would it take up more space, but AFTER setup you'd be waiting another good hour to have "Vista SP1", spending more time just so the SP1 installer can overwrite the files you just copied when the install source itself could have been updated.

not sure i understand your beef...but Office 2007 SP1 didn't take any longer to install....and a DVD is 4.7g and Vista RTM is 2.54g so that leaves plenty of extra space on a DVD.... I got a Vista SP1 Slipstreamed DVD and its 2.87g and thats about 300mbs more than the 2.54g original RTM...so if its space that worries you..then SP1 won't be for you...I'm also beta tester and the SP1 RC1 Refresh that I grabbed from connect is also 2.87g....and both installed with the same amount of time as RTM also....so?

if its available now..then a method will be too...maybe it will be new and times change but microsoft is showing they are in control.

This post has been edited by jroc: 02 February 2008 - 10:53 PM

[Arneh]

Basically:

1. It's been known for quite a while that SP1 will not be directly slippable, there should be no surprise about that by now. MS will not make a slippable service pack until SP2.
2. MS will release preintegrated/prebuilt full SP1 ISOs to OEM/Retail and probably MSDN etc.
3. There is no "Updates" folder like behavior for Vista where it would pick up any updates in the Updates folder unlike Office 2007 where it will pick them up and install them.
4. If you can't get the full SP1 ISO, then check vlite.net's first post for a link to the guide on how to "Reverse Integrate" SP1 using WU or the EXE but again, getting the full SP1 ISO is the much much better option compared to trying to "Reverse Integrate" it.

This post has been edited by Arneh: 03 February 2008 - 12:08 AM

[Svend Rugaard]

I have tried the Reverse Integration with build 1800 the "so called" RTM .. and it works flawless, have done it with Ultimate x86 and x64 and done it with Home Premium x86 and x64 .. no i am about to "glue" them together to one DVD

[cluberti]

suryad, on Feb 2 2008, 06:00 PM, said:

Interesting. Wonder why they made SP1 not slipstreamable.

The servicing engine changes make slipstreaming the current SP1 package impossible. This is expected to be fixed in SP2, although I'm not sure if it'll require SP1 media to slipstream it or not (the servicing changes will come in SP1, from what I understand, so I'm not sure if you'll need actual SP1 media to slip SP2, or just a machine running SP1...).

[Arneh]

Svend Rugaard, on Feb 3 2008, 01:31 AM, said:

I have tried the Reverse Integration with build 1800 the "so called" RTM .. and it works flawless, have done it with Ultimate x86 and x64 and done it with Home Premium x86 and x64 .. no i am about to "glue" them together to one DVD

Heh, if you have the 18000 build from 080118, that most likely is not RTM. As for "gluing" them together, that's actually quite easy with SP1. The reason being Vista x64 can now be installed using the 32bit setup so all you need to do is make a copy of your x86 iso, then imagex /export the x64 index from the x64 install.wim to the x86's install.wim and repack the ISO and you're good to go. There's no need to use the x64 boot.wim or anything else fancy.

This post has been edited by Arneh: 03 February 2008 - 12:39 AM

[Jeronimo]

As far as I know with the new WAIK (which is in beta) allowed slipstreaming of new types of hotfixes/updates. Since SP1 also has a new type of cabinet files, maybe it can be slipstreamed by this method as in the WAIK when it is released?

[jdeboeck]

You really need to get SP1 integrated media.
Reverse integration of SP1 is a waste of time.

You will only have SP1 in your install.wim and not in your boot.wim or any of the RTM files on the installation media.
Updated boot drivers and new servicing stack won't be available during setup. I fully support customizing your windows image, but service packs are not customization, they should be done right.

[nuhi]

jdeboeck, on Feb 3 2008, 12:05 PM, said:

You will only have SP1 in your install.wim and not in your boot.wim or any of the RTM files on the installation media.
Updated boot drivers and new servicing stack won't be available during setup. I fully support customizing your windows image, but service packs are not customization, they should be done right.

What is the advantage of waiting if the setup works fine with the old boot.wim?

Waiting is bad because there are hundreds of hotfixes and I am not hunting those, also the integration of all of them is greatly more questionable compared to installing SP1 RC.
In both cases you get updated installation and not boot.wim so ... who cares.

Only case that I know of is the people with 3gb+ BSOD during install on 64bit installs. On 32bit vLite has the fix but it did not help in 64bit for some reason.
They must unplug RAM until SP1 integrated is out, no matter if they use hotfixes or SP1.

This post has been edited by nuhi: 03 February 2008 - 05:57 AM
Reason for edit: synthax

[blerk]

The following Vista+SP1 integrated ISO's are out on MSDN/MS Connect:

6001.18000.080118-1840_x86fre_Client_en-us-FRMCFRE_EN_DVD.iso
6001.18000.080118-1840_amd64fre_Client_en-us-FRMCXFRE_EN_DVD.iso
6001.18000.080118-1840_x86fre_Business_en-us_VL-FRMBVOL_EN_DVD.iso
6001.18000.080118-1840_x86fre_Enterprise_en-us_VL-FRMEVOL_EN_DVD.iso

Is it possible to vLite these without running into problems?

[nuhi]

blerk, from another Vista yes.
From XP check this thread:
http://www.msfn.org/...P1-t111854.html

Basically if you run vLite from XP keep the Dynamic Volume Manager and ignore registry load error popup. Gonna fix that but since from another Vista it works fine I'm not in the rush so I'm waiting for more bug reports.

This post has been edited by nuhi: 03 February 2008 - 10:38 AM

[Arneh]

nuhi, on Feb 3 2008, 11:37 AM, said:

Basically if you run vLite from XP keep the Dynamic Volume Manager and ignore registry load error popup.

I ran vLite in WinFLP (which basically is XP "light" that MS built from XP Embedded) and removed the Dynamic Volume Manager and it worked/installed fine with no errors in vLite or during setup using the x86 preintegrated 080118...

Settings included as attachment.

I've got another issue though. It seems it keeps forgetting my Network Share login passwords after reboots even if I select the checkbox to remember the password.

Attached File(s)

•  Last_Session.ini (7.74K)
  Number of downloads: 10

[nuhi]

Arneh, on Feb 3 2008, 06:54 PM, said:

I've got another issue though. It seems it keeps forgetting my Network Share login passwords after reboots even if I select the checkbox to remember the password.

Mine as well. But please search before asking:
http://www.latestintech.com/vista-wont-rem...work-passwords/
There are plenty of reports so seems it's a Vista bug or a feature.

[Arneh]

nuhi, on Feb 3 2008, 01:33 PM, said:

Arneh, on Feb 3 2008, 06:54 PM, said:

I've got another issue though. It seems it keeps forgetting my Network Share login passwords after reboots even if I select the checkbox to remember the password.

Mine as well. But please search before asking:
http://www.latestintech.com/vista-wont-rem...work-passwords/
There are plenty of reports so seems it's a Vista bug or a feature.

Yea I know about that. What I mean is I didn't have the issue before in any previous builds (this includes vLited installs of old Server 2008 installs, older Vista SP1 installs both preintegrated and Reverse Integrated and normal RTM installs etc.) which is why I found it weird.

This post has been edited by Arneh: 03 February 2008 - 12:44 PM