[PROBLEMCHYLD]

How many people actually use this feature and should I add it to the SP.

[Giant2011]

I use it and it works find with my Fujifilm Finepix AV200 digital camera.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Giant2011, on 18 March 2012 - 05:15 AM, said:

I use it and it works find with my Fujifilm Finepix AV200 digital camera.

I would like others input before I add it.
Its real simple to add, but I don't want it causing problems. If you have notice I have almost all unofficial updates.
They have been tested over the years thoroughly.

[Giant2011]

I already tolled that my Fujifilm Finepix AV200 digital camera. works with it, but off course I needed a ptp driver. And I got the software
delivered with this camera. I also searched for a ptp driver especially for windows 98 I could not find one. But I got one from Fuji.
There are drivers for windows xp and up.

[prowler]

I also used it with my camera

[Giant2011]

Many scanners and digital cams will work with wia. But a nice thing would be a ptp driver for windows 98 just as for windows xp and up.

[Giant2011]

I installed wia on my system for certain older scanners and digital cams. Newer digital cams need a ptp driver. I have ptpusb.dll is the
ptp driver ptpusd.dll seems to be a ptp wia mini driver. I also installed mtp it creates a directory wmsdk I do not know what this directory
does actually. I searched with mtp*.* on my windows drive but found nothing. Wmsdk is installed on another drive letter.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

So, are saying that you are able to test
Media Transfer Protocol + Picture Transfer Protocol + Windows Image Acquisition?
If you are then I will send you and jds a package. I will only release it to people that can actually test it.

This post has been edited by PROBLEMCHYLD: 21 March 2012 - 09:24 AM

[Giant2011]

I installed them all three. I could only test ptp, because I needed it with my digital cam, tot transfer pictures to my pc.
I have wia 1.1 installed on my system and mtp. When I installed mtp it added SET MTPPKROOT=F:\WMSDK\MTPPK12\Responder
to my autoexec.bat. I have tested ptp already and it worked with finepixviewer from Fuji to get my picures on my pc.
I do not know if I can test wia, because I do not have the devices for that, you also need the right devices to test mtp of course.
There are digital camera's which use wia or they use ptp. There are scanners which use wia. I do not know that scanners
use ptp. I also do not know exactly for which devices they use mtp.

[jds]

Giant2011, on 21 March 2012 - 11:12 AM, said:

I installed them all three. I could only test ptp, because I needed it with my digital cam, tot transfer pictures to my pc.
I have wia 1.1 installed on my system and mtp. When I installed mtp it added SET MTPPKROOT=F:\WMSDK\MTPPK12\Responder
to my autoexec.bat. I have tested ptp already and it worked with finepixviewer from Fuji to get my picures on my pc.
I do not know if I can test wia, because I do not have the devices for that, you also need the right devices to test mtp of course.
There are digital camera's which use wia or they use ptp. There are scanners which use wia. I do not know that scanners
use ptp. I also do not know exactly for which devices they use mtp.

AFAIK, MTP is a super-set of PTP (well, at least, it supersedes it and I believe it is backward-compatible with PTP devices).

One issue though - Fredledingue says his other TWAIN devices disappeared after installing WIA. If that's the case, I won't risk installing WIA, as it was extremely difficult getting my TWAIN stuff from HP to work in the first place!

Joe.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

jds, on 23 March 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

AFAIK, MTP is a super-set of PTP (well, at least, it supersedes it and I believe it is backward-compatible with PTP devices).

Joe.

After reading heres my take on everything.
The Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) drivers is a part of Windows Image Acquisition (WIA). Microsoft said so themselves.
I don't think anyone can run Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) without using Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) at least on Win98.
There are 3rd party drivers which I won't be adding to get (PTP) working.

jds, on 23 March 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

One issue though - Fredledingue says his other TWAIN devices disappeared after installing WIA. If that's the case, I won't risk installing WIA, as it was extremely difficult getting my TWAIN stuff from HP to work in the first place!

Joe.

Thats because TWAIN and WIA don't mix, wise words from Microsoft.
Reason why (WIA) deletes STICPL.CPL because its apart of TWAIN and WIA doesn't use it. I believe you have to use one or the other. If you have TWAIN drivers and then install WIA, its a chance that twain will break.

[Hu$tle]

So what you're saying is that there is no purpose for (WIA) if you already have Twain drivers?

[loblo]

TWAIN is only for scanners AFAIK and btw I am not sure TWAIN even requires STI. WIA is mostly for digital cameras but if you've got an USB flash card reader you can do without it easily I guess. I stripped WIA from my WinMe system long ago. I can't really remember exactly why but it had to do with it kicking regularly in for no reason I believe.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

loblo, on 23 March 2012 - 06:36 PM, said:

TWAIN is only for scanners AFAIK and btw I am not sure TWAIN even requires STI. WIA is mostly for digital cameras but if you've got an USB flash card reader you can do without it easily I guess. I stripped WIA from my WinMe system long ago. I can't really remember exactly why but it had to do with it kicking regularly in for no reason I believe.

Well, I would like to add it but it's getting confusing. I not sure who can actually test what. I need three people with at least one of the three devices.
WIA + PTP + MTP. Once I get the team of three we can move forward.

[jumper]

I have two older cameras that use TWAIN.
I have two newer cameras that are Mass Storage Devices.

I can load pix/vids from the older cameras into IrfanView using TWAIN, or transfer the files using the bundled (custom) apps.

I don't use and hadn't heard of WIA before this thread. A worthy topic and good discussion, however!

[jds]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 23 March 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

jds, on 23 March 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

AFAIK, MTP is a super-set of PTP (well, at least, it supersedes it and I believe it is backward-compatible with PTP devices).

Joe.

After reading heres my take on everything.
The Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) drivers is a part of Windows Image Acquisition (WIA). Microsoft said so themselves.
I don't think anyone can run Picture Transfer Protocol (PTP) without using Windows Image Acquisition (WIA) at least on Win98.

Not really true. I have successfully used the 'wmdmcmd' tool instead of WIA.

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 23 March 2012 - 07:33 AM, said:

jds, on 23 March 2012 - 03:11 AM, said:

One issue though - Fredledingue says his other TWAIN devices disappeared after installing WIA. If that's the case, I won't risk installing WIA, as it was extremely difficult getting my TWAIN stuff from HP to work in the first place!

Joe.

Thats because TWAIN and WIA don't mix, wise words from Microsoft.
Reason why (WIA) deletes STICPL.CPL because its apart of TWAIN and WIA doesn't use it.

Am I cynical, or does that seem like sabotage? Anyway, if Fredledingue is able to restore TWAIN operation by restoring STICPL.CPL, then I can also try this WIA stuff.

jumper, on 23 March 2012 - 10:57 PM, said:

I have two older cameras that use TWAIN.
I have two newer cameras that are Mass Storage Devices.

I can load pix/vids from the older cameras into IrfanView using TWAIN, or transfer the files using the bundled (custom) apps.

I don't use and hadn't heard of WIA before this thread. A worthy topic and good discussion, however!

New, newer, newest. Unfortunately, MS seems to have persuaded many camera manufacturers to switch from Mass Storage to PTP/MTP in their newest offerings. Probably for DRM purposes (yeah, stupid mentality, how is DRM relevant to pictures I take with my own camera, huh?).

Joe.

[Giant2011]

Hello there, well I installed mtp and thought my fuji camera would work with it.. But it did not. It needed it's own ptp driver.
I ask myself if there is a universal ptp driver for xp. I also installed my camera on a xp laptop and my camera worked at once.
I ask myself if there is something as a universal ptp driver for windows xp. I do not believe there is a universal driver for windows 98.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

jds, on 26 March 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

Not really true. I have successfully used the 'wmdmcmd' tool instead of WIA.

Maybe thats Microsoft way of saying upgrade immediately or you can't have your cake and eat it too. Thanks I'll make note of that.

jds, on 26 March 2012 - 02:08 AM, said:

Am I cynical, or does that seem like sabotage? Anyway, if Fredledingue is able to restore TWAIN operation by restoring STICPL.CPL, then I can also try this WIA stuff.

That would be great if you can test. The more testing, better the solution.

[PROBLEMCHYLD]

Unless someone actually able to confirm that WIA doesn't conflict with TWAIN drivers, then I won't be able to add it.
If I can't test it, I won't add it. Sorry! But if you can test it with positive results I will add it.

[Dave-H]

PROBLEMCHYLD, on 30 March 2012 - 01:17 AM, said:

Unless someone actually able to confirm that WIA doesn't conflict with TWAIN drivers, then I won't be able to add it.
If I can't test it, I won't add it. Sorry! But if you can test it with positive results I will add it.

I installed the unofficial WIA update for Windows 98SE quite some time ago.
I've never actually used it with a camera or scanner (I installed it just because I thought that it would be a good thing to have!) but I do also have TWAIN which I do use with my old Epson SCSI scanner.
The presence of WIA on the system doesn't seem to have affected the working of the TWAIN drivers at all, the scanner still works fine with TWAIN as it always has.