[RetroOS]

Hey starcraftmaster, can you post here all the codes and info on the big black chip on the card that has CREATIVE on it?

Thanks.

[Nafta]

Perhaps this driver works? http://www.mediafire.com/?an5f2iwxmcu

[starcraftmaster]

nah Nafta same windpws nt/xp/2000 driver on creative labs site

retroos
he it is
CREATIVE
CA0103-DBQ
CREATIVE TECH '02
0223

[starcraftmaster]

all right i just did it the easyer way
told windows to install from the install folder
so you start the program and let it expract and then go to temp and find the drivers
tell windows and let windows install(may ask for windows me disk(iused windows me))
or if you dont wanna go to temp and all just download this
http://members.driverguide.com/driver/deta...6b1e93f983d7bf2
mabye MDGx can add this to hes website for people with the sb 5.1 pci
but i did this on windows me may not work on windows 98 but sure it will some one else have to try

[starcraftmaster]

well retroOS that makes the sound card work fine
but things like Creative Surround Mixer and AudioHq i did not get
i tried your things but the audiohq kept asking about not enough space on the hard drive(got like 14gb left lool) and the Creative Surround Mixer installed but when i would go into the program the thing would never load
so does any one know wherei can get these programs made for the card not for the LIVE! ones

and EMU10K1 chipset... how do i tell ?

This post has been edited by starcraftmaster: 25 May 2009 - 08:13 AM

[ilpalazzo]

I've got a problem with dos drivers for SB Live - when I run the setup file it says I don't have enough disk space on destination drive and that I need to free some space before contunuing or cancel the operation. Of course I've got 400+ MB free on system partition. I would be grateful for a link to (compressed) DOSDrv directory only to copy over current one. Or is the version of SBEINIT.COM in this package newer than 4.05? I managed to find this version some place else.

[tikbalang]

SB driver .iso's:
http://www.filefront...er/BadBoyforum/

[Juzam]

ilpalazzo, on Jun 12 2009, 12:27 AM, said:

I've got a problem with dos drivers for SB Live - when I run the setup file it says I don't have enough disk space on destination drive and that I need to free some space before contunuing or cancel the operation. Of course I've got 400+ MB free on system partition. I would be grateful for a link to (compressed) DOSDrv directory only to copy over current one. Or is the version of SBEINIT.COM in this package newer than 4.05? I managed to find this version some place else.

I am having the exact same problem. I tried millions of different variations of the ctsyn.ini, autoexec.bat and config.sys files but no matter what I do, the system hangs when booting Win98 right after the dos emulation drivers are loaded, after 2 minutes of hang I get a not ready reading drive c: or something similar like that, abort? retry? fail?. When I press either A, R or F nothing happens. Help!

[RetroOS]

Juzam, have you tried both the 1999 and 2000 release DOS drivers?

[Juzam]

RetroOS, on Oct 4 2009, 06:08 AM, said:

Juzam, have you tried both the 1999 and 2000 release DOS drivers?

Yep but they didn't work. Same exact problem.

Nevermind, I solved the problem by using another DOS emulation driver pack and some fiddling with the BIOS:

http://vogons.zetafl...p=171324#171324

[MDGx]

Hi every1,

Krick [thank you kindly, sir ] sent me the links to a bunch of Sound Blaster install CD-ROMs [ISO format]... here they are:
http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/
Direct links [expect large files > 200 MB each]:
http://www.mdgx.com/..._1713310318.rar
http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/SB_Live!_24-...01ML0000306.rar
http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/SB_Live!_Set..._1713331000.rar
http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/SB_Live!_Val..._1713330760.rar
http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/SB_Live!_Val...01ML0003017.rar
http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/SB_PCI512_Setup_..._1713330882.rar

These are RAR archives = use 7-zip, WinRAR or your favorite (un)RAR tool:
http://www.mdgx.com/toy.htm#ZIP
to extract the ISO files, then use your favorite burning program to make CDs:
http://www.mdgx.com/drv.htm#DTC
or install for example Virtual Clone Drive (freeware):
http://www.slysoft.c...clonedrive.html
to expand the ISOs as separate drive letters on your hard disk [virtual CDs/DVDs].
You can install from your HD much faster than from a CD/DVD drive.

I've also uploaded these files at my site...

* The ISO found here:
http://vogons.zetafl...p=171324#171324
Direct link [260 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/SB_Live!Ware...D_ISO+update.7z
This is 7z archive = use 7-zip [free GPL]:
http://www.7-zip.org/
to extract the ISO.

* this 1 previously @ MF [11 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/...5_12_01_202.exe

* this 1 previously @ DriverGuide [2.4 MB]:
http://www.mdgx.com/...ndBlaster51.zip

* I've also added a link to this list of ISOs:
http://www.filefront...er/BadBoyforum/


Enjoy.

[cyberformer]

These latest additions are wonderful!
I have almost all of these cards---as I would scoop them up at the thrift store long ago (no Cds though).

Now so far as the SB Live 24 bit card I have---is concerned:
Am I right that it will not work in Win 98 and 98 second edition,
but is installable on Win Me?

[Spitfire]

Hi. I am having troubles with having the right installation of my hardware for my Dell computer. WinMe installed a generic Creative Sound Card, and some of the games I installed pointed the sound card is Live. The thing is I looked for the entry in the registry for it to post here, but there was none. All I know is that it is built onto the motherboard and it is a Conexant e153169 Creative lab Sound Blaster Live. It is not the only thing problem that I need help finding the right this. My video card is not reconized either. I wish there is a thread like this for video cards.

[cyberformer]

OK!
The Sound Blaster Live 24 bit is working perfectly in my Win Me, just as it says it does.
Perhaps I can eventually experiment and see if I can get it to work in 98 Second Edition one day soon.
I actually bought that card years ago, and from what I can recollect--it did not install on my 98 machine, so I just sat on the card for all these years, and of course lost the CD.
Thanks in an extreme way for helping me finally get use out of it!

[SAE140]

Thought this might be the best place to post this bug report ....

I just installed Win98Lite onto a DELL GX110 without a sound card - so I installed a CT4830 card, using the SB Legacy driver package from the DELL site.

All seemed well except when I came to try driving programs from a "Re-Start in MS-DOS mode" mode. Then, anything called from the command line would instantly cause a re-boot.

After much hair-pulling, I eventually found that a Dosstart.bat had been created in C:/Windows which called a C:/SBPCI/APINIT (whatever that is) file. Deleting the Dosstart.bat file cured the problem.

Hope this info is of use to somebody.

[MDGx]

SAE140, on Jan 26 2010, 09:20 AM, said:

... found that a Dosstart.bat had been created in C:/Windows which called a C:/SBPCI/APINIT (whatever that is) file. Deleting the Dosstart.bat file cured the problem.

Sounds like DOSSTART.BAT "thinks" it's running from native MS-DOS, outside Windows.
APINIT.EXE is the native MS-DOS mode SB audio card "initializer" [SB Live! has similar SBINIT.EXE], and cannot run from within Windows without freezing the system (which is proof of poor programming).

Found some info on APINIT:
http://www.tandg.bz/tandg/downloads/Sound%...CI/DOSUTILS.TXT

FYI, if you plan on playing DOS games from native MS-DOS (outside Windows), check out this guide [applies to SB Live! cards, but the principle is the same]:
http://www.mdgx.com/newtip18.htm#DGSBL


HTH

[Mouseplay]

RetroOS, on 19 April 2008 - 03:48 AM, said:

Main Driver Set (4.42 MiB)

mirror 1: http://www.divshare....oad/6107747-45d
mirror 2: http://www.mdgx.com/sbdrv/sblive2.zip

Creative EMU10K1 sound devices supported:

CT4620 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_00211102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen I)
CT4670 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_00201102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen I) Value
CT???? -- PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_002F1102 - Sound Blaster Live! motherboard integrated
CT4760 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80401102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen II)
CT4780 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80221102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value
CT4790 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80231102 - Sound Blaster PCI512 (OEM)
CT???? -- PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80251102 - Sound Blaster Live! motherboard integrated
CT4830 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80261102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen II OEM) Value
CT4831 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80311102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value
CT4832 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80271102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value
CT4850 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80511102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value
CT4870 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80281102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value
CT4871 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80321102 - Sound Blaster Live! Value
SB0060 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80611102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen III) 5.1
SB0100 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80621102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen III) 5.1
SB0102 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80641102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen III) 5.1
SB0100 - PCI\VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_80661102 - Sound Blaster Live! (Gen III) 5.1 (Unofficial)

If you have a Creative Sound Blaster Live! card that is not recognised by these drivers, then please post your PCI ID.
The PCI ID can be found using regedit:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\Enum\PCI
Look for a key starting with VEN_1102&DEV_0002, and copy the key name.

First up I'd like to say thanks to RetroOS, MDGx and others for the work you've done. Trying to keep the world from forgetting these great cards is no easy task.
I've got not one but TWO SB Live! cards that are not detected by this compilation or any other driver I can find, for that matter. The first one is a CT4670 with this device ID:

VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_05

Yes the "Subsys" is eight zeroes. The other one is a SB0220 (infamous on the net for being a PITA, Creative don't even list it as a legacy card on their site.) and it's device ID is:

VEN_1102&DEV_0002&SUBSYS_00000000&REV_0A

Again the "Subsys" is eight zeroes. For some odd reason this one accepts the driver for "Creative MultiMedia Interface" and "Creative Gameport Joystick" but not for the audio card itself.

I've been fighting these cards for almost straight two days now, trying all the drivers I can find and even trying to modify them. I even got the original driver cd for the ORIGINAL Live! but the card disappeared many years ago. Also, it doesn't help that my ISP has capped my "foreign" download speed for the month, so I can forget downloading any ISO's or other big compilations until next month.

Now where did I put my rope...

UPDATE 1: I moved the SB0220 down one PCI slot and now the "Subsys" reads 80651102 and as it isn't on the list, it doesn't work. Might as well try this with the other one.

UPDATE 2: Ok I think I found some VXD drivers that work for my SB0220. These seem to install fine but just now I got a 'Cthelper' illegal operation error. At least I'm getting somewhere.

UPDATE 3: Winamp Waveout plays fine but once I try DirectSound I get BSOD (Fatal exception ... in VXD DSOUND(03)). I've installed DirectX 9.0c. Seems to be a common problem but haven't found a solution yet.

UPDATE 4: Finally! Fixed the DirectSound problem by rolling back to DirectX 5.2 using DirectX Eradicator and then installed DirectX 7. Should've told myself that DX9 would never play nice with VXD drivers. Now for the DOS drivers...

UPDATE 5: I can't get AudioHQ or Surround Mixer to work. AudioHQ gives me an "Not Enough Disk Space" error when trying to install (on a 10GB drive). Surround Mixer installs but gives me an "Failed to load plugins" error when trying to start.

UPDATE 6: Just realized that my motherboard doesn't support SB 16 Emulation (PCI SERR thingy). FML!

This post has been edited by Mouseplay: 18 January 2011 - 12:54 PM

[Foxbat]

Hi Mouseplay,

Have you tried Creative's Liveware 3 web release drivers for the CT4670?
ftp://ftp.kernel.ee/...lw30full_9x.zip 28.9 MB
These are the last Liveware drivers before Creative ended Liveware support. This package contains the VXD drivers and a few applets; Launcher, Surround Mixer, and AudioHQ. The driver version (EMU10K1.VXD 4.11.01.0711) is not as recent as RetroOS's package (EMU10K1.VXD 4.12.01.0906), but it should work right out of the box. You can apply update afterwards. The applet's versions are the same as the ones that RetroOS posted.

As for the SB0220, it's a whole different monster. The card shipped with broken drivers for Windows 98SE. The WDM drivers causes pops, cracks, and occasional BSODs. Printed instructions on a flier were included in the box specifically for Win 98SE users on how to remove the WDM drivers and install the VXD drivers to "resolve the issue". Unfortunately, the VXD drivers caused more problems than it fixed. Although the popping and cracks were gone, it caused many games and applications to CTD, or even reboot, as well as having poor sound quality. I went back to the WDM drivers since these were better quality. I lived with it for two years before finally going back to my old Sound Blaster Live! Value. That was like a eureka moment as everything worked right for once.

When I was using the SB0220, aside from the said issues, all the applets worked, so I think you may have downloaded an incomplete driver package that is missing the Win 98SE drivers, even though the poster of those drivers listed: "Windows 95, Windows 98, Windows 98SE, Windows ME, Windows 2000, Windows XP Windows 2000 Workstation, Windows 2000 Server, Windows XP Home, Windows XP Professional, Windows 2003 Server."
AFAIK, Windows 95 should not be in there, so I think the poster simply copied a generic list from somewhere.

A quick search at your link yielded: http://members.drive...driverid=648381
The OS listing in this set is more accurate. Have you tried this one? Otherwise, you should probably dump the SB0220, or save it for Win XP. And the Liveware 3 drivers does not work with this card in case you're wondering.

HTH.

[Mouseplay]

Foxbat, on 18 January 2011 - 05:04 PM, said:

Hi Mouseplay,

Have you ...

HTH.

I was aiming for a DOS arcade setup, but since my motherboard doesn't support SB16 emulation (not even with a Ensoniq AudioPCI card) and I couldn't get the TV-out to output PAL in color in DOS, I gave up on it. I'm currently just running it in Windows 98 using the SB0220 and the drivers I mentioned (these) without all the applets. Seems to run fine so far.

But thanks for checking into this.

[sparky4]

RetroOS, on 19 April 2008 - 03:19 PM, said:

I've added the pure DOS Sound Blaster 16 Emulation drivers for the Live!
These are for Windows 95/98, but not Me since Me does not have pure DOS access aside from the EBD.
See first post.

EDIT: Windows Me with the EBD IO.SYS patch could in fact run SB16 DOS Emulation!

How?
It requires emm386....