[LooieENG]

I have SP2 on disc, but to integrate the 300MB SP3, would I need XP with no service packs?

This post has been edited by LooieENG: 19 April 2008 - 02:05 PM

[boooggy]

u can integrate over xpsp2 disk.....but i prefer integrate over a gold xp ....

[LooieENG]

Thanks

[EGOvoruhk]

boooggy, on Apr 19 2008, 01:23 PM, said:

u can integrate over xpsp2 disk.....but i prefer integrate over a gold xp ....

Any particular reason?

Could I use a VLK key with such a version? SP3 slipstreams and installs fine on my current SP2 version, but will it allow me to use it on a pre-SP1/2 version?

[Kelsenellenelvian]

You have 3 or more different versions of Windows Pro m8:

OEM
Retail
Corp

Each one actually only recognizes the keys for its version.

Now say you have a VLK or "Corp" key you will have to have a corp Gold disk to use a clean disk.

With sp1 and sp2 integrated you will loose some disk space thats why you should integrate ove a gold disk.

[tanstaafl]

Hmmm...

I have about 5 copies of XP Pro - but all are sp2 CDs...

So how would I go about getting a 'gold' version of the CD?

[Kelsenellenelvian]

Ebay.

[Mt.Dew]

Quote

With sp1 and sp2 integrated you will loose some disk space thats why you should integrate ove a gold disk.

Actually, if you do it right, the SP2 with SP3 integrated, makes for a smaller image than integrating to a XP Gold source.

SP0 with SP3 is 561mb
SP2 with SP3 cleaned up and dotnetfx folder removed (to show comparision against SP0 since SP0 does not have DOTNETFX folder)
Is 548mb



If you choose to leave DOTNETFX folder (and copy DOTNETFX to the SP0 integrated image) Then the file sizes will be:
SP0 source: 600mb
SP2 source: 587mb

This post has been edited by Mt.Dew: 21 April 2008 - 04:15 PM

[tanstaafl]

Mt.Dew, on Apr 21 2008, 04:50 PM, said:

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With sp1 and sp2 integrated you will loose some disk space thats why you should integrate ove a gold disk.

Actually, if you do it right, the SP2 with SP3 integrated, makes for a smaller image than integrating to a XP Gold source.

Care to elaborate on what you mean by 'do it right'?

Will using nLite do it 'right'?

[Kelsenellenelvian]

I am talking about without nLite-ing you have the extra folders AND the drivers sp2 cab.

[Mt.Dew]

Nlite will "integrate" it properly, but will not clean up the duplicate files. If you have a SP2 disk this is the way to clean it up. Doing this is also very useful if you wish to make custom modified images.
-edit: Forgot to mention this: Copy/extract your sp2 image to a folder named "finished" on your HD, then copy sp3 installer to a folder called "sp3" and rename the intaller to "sp3.exe"
To make this method much faster, create a new text file and name it cleanup.txt and add the following in quotes. Then rename it to cleanup.bat and launch.
(note, you must edit the directories to point to your actual drive/folder directories. This script will also integrate so you won't need nlite)

Quote

e:\sp3\sp3.exe /integrate:e:\finished
rmdir /s /q e:\finished\cmpnents
del /q /f e:\finished\WIN51IP.SP2
del /q /f e:\finished\i386\PLUGIN.OC_
del /q /f e:\finished\i386\SP2.CAB
del /q /f e:\finished\i386\SP2.CAT
del /q /f e:\finished\i386\ASMS\70\POLICY\MSFT\MSWINCRT\MSWINCRT.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\i386\ASMS\70\MSFT\WINDOWS\MSWINCRT\MSVCIRT.DL_
del /q /f e:\finished\i386\ASMS\70\MSFT\WINDOWS\MSWINCRT\MSVCRT.DL_
del /q /f e:\finished\i386\ASMS\70\MSFT\WINDOWS\MSWINCRT\MSWINCRT.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\i386\ASMS\60\POLICY\60\COMCTL\COMCTL.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\60\MSFT\WINDOWS\COMMON\CONTROLS\COMCTL32.DL_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\60\MSFT\WINDOWS\COMMON\CONTROLS\CONTROLS.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\52\POLICY\MSFT\WINDOWS\NETWORKING\RTCDLL\RTCDLL.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\52\POLICY\MSFT\WINDOWS\NETWORKING\DXMRTP\DXMRTP.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\52\MSFT\WINDOWS\NET\RTCRES\RTCRES.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\52\MSFT\WINDOWS\NET\RTCRES\RTCRES.DL_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\52\MSFT\WINDOWS\NET\RTCDLL\RTCDLL.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\52\MSFT\WINDOWS\NET\RTCDLL\RTCDLL.DL_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\52\MSFT\WINDOWS\NET\DXMRTP\DXMRTP.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\52\MSFT\WINDOWS\NET\DXMRTP\DXMRTP.DL_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\2\DEFAULT\DEFAULT.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\10\POLICY\MSFT\WINDOWS\GDIPLUS\GDIPLUS.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\10\MSFT\WINDOWS\GDIPLUS\GDIPLUS.CA_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\10\MSFT\WINDOWS\GDIPLUS\GDIPLUS.DL_
del /q /f e:\finished\I386\ASMS\1\DEFAULT\DEFAULT.CA_

Next, use what ever program you like to make a cd and don't forget to add the bootable information.

This post has been edited by Mt.Dew: 25 April 2008 - 04:30 PM

[Mt.Dew]

Kelsenellenelvian, on Apr 21 2008, 02:21 PM, said:

I am talking about without nLite-ing you have the extra folders AND the drivers sp2 cab.

And so am I. See the above posted script

[Mt.Dew]

BTW, hello to you in Pocatello from Twin Falls

This post has been edited by Mt.Dew: 21 April 2008 - 04:30 PM

[Kelsenellenelvian]

OK here are my findings:

XP Gold iso size = 492 megs
XP SP1a iso size = 507 megs
XP SP2 iso size = 582 megs
XP SP1a + SP2 iso size = 594 megs
XP SP1a + SP2 + SP3 iso size = 624 megs
XP SP3 iso size = 593 megs

Total wasted space with all 3 packs? = 31 megs

Why are you deleting the asms files?

Total size gain from XP gold to SP3 = 101 megs

Hey I goto Twin for my wifes doctor...

This post has been edited by Kelsenellenelvian: 21 April 2008 - 04:31 PM

[Mt.Dew]

Those files get deleted because on integration of sp3 to a sp2 source, the "NEW" files are full extension names. For example, after integration, the folder \finished\i386\ASMS\70\POLICY\MSFT\MSWINCRT\ will contain MSWINCRT.CA_ (sp2 source) and the new file MSWINCRT.CAT
Same goes for the .dl_ files that become .dll for the new files, same with .ca_ for .cab and .cat, etc

All those files get deleted because now they are outdated and are not used.

Feel free to try the script and run the new integrated image in v.m.

This post has been edited by Mt.Dew: 21 April 2008 - 04:42 PM

[Kelsenellenelvian]

AHA! ok I get it now.

[Mt.Dew]

It took me 2 hours to find all the files to delete, and I got tired of doing it by hand every new beta, lol. Once I had the master file list, I created a dump to text to list all the files with their directory structure. That took even longer as it has been ages since I tried to use some old school DOS. All in all, 5 hours worth of work to create the script. Now, integration, cleanup and iso creation is done in under 10 minutes.

This post has been edited by Mt.Dew: 21 April 2008 - 05:28 PM

[godan]

if space is a concern, wouldnt it be best to add to the script you got there to use makecab.exe to recompress the new sp3 asms files then... just a sugestion.

[Mt.Dew]

godan, on Apr 21 2008, 08:23 PM, said:

if space is a concern, wouldnt it be best to add to the script you got there to use makecab.exe to recompress the new sp3 asms files then... just a sugestion.

Well, I did not write the script for the purpose of making the final image to be as small as possible. The script was written just to clean up the unnecessary files after integration, and also to remove the plugin.oc_ file. Alos, the removal of the dotnetfx folder is option, but I normally do not remove it because I use software that needs .net. However, anyone could use the script inconjuntion of compressing the cab files. I find that excessive as it increases install times. Not by much, but on lower end systems, it is more pronounce install times.

[Kaneda]

Hey all,

so some of you install SP3 on a gold XP disc. But what about MS requirements? They stated that SP3 needs at least SP1 and SP2 would be recommended:

http://technet.micro...p/cc164204.aspx

What's up with that? And is that only for updates whereas slipstreaming is not concerned? I mean, how does MS slipstream their new discs, do they also insert SP1 and 2?