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dencorso

Day-to-day running Win 9x/ME with more than 1 GiB RAM

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I have completed setup of a new Z87 Intel System.

OSes: Windows 98SE / MSDOS 7.10, Windows 7 (32-Bit MBR, 64-Bit MBR and 64-Bit UEFI), Windows 8 (64-Bit MBR and 64-Bit UEFI), UBUNTU Linux 14.04.1 (32-Bit MBR and 64-Bit UEFI).

RFDISK Extended Multi-Boot Profile MBR + GPT.

Memory: 32 GiB (4x 8 GiB DDR3 DIMMs; 3464 MiB available to Win 98SE; 29182 MiB available to RAMDISKs and 64-Bit Memory SDK)

Motherboard: MSI Z87-G41

CPU: Intel Core i7-4770K Eight Core

Video: Default VGA Only at present

Sound: None at present

Ethernet Card: RTL8111E (buggy Tenda Driver)

3 Removable SATA Trays

4TB SATA Hard Drive currently installed

SATA Blu-Ray Writer

TBPLUS Disk Package

CONFIG.SYS:

DEVICE=C:\HIMEMEX.SYS /S /V ; used with RAMDSK64 and 64-Bit Memory SDK.

DEVICE=C:\WINDOWS\HIMEM.SYS /NUMHANDLES=64

AUTOEXEC.BAT:

SPLIT8MB

RAMDSK64 T: 6000000 (6GB non-XMS RAMDISK For Internet Temporaries)

Remaining 64-Bit RAM reserved for 64-Bit RAM and Multi-Core SDKs.

vmm32.vxd (real mode), vcache.vxd: 4.10.0.2222, vmm.vxd: 4.10.0.2226 with RAM Limitation Patch 7.1 (with /M and /P Options plus SPLIT8MB)

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Add Windows ME to the list of OSes.

I solved the Installation problem I previously had.

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This topic has been updated!

What's New?

on post #2:

RLoew's 9th machine has been added!

Let's keep the list up-to-date:

If you are using 9x/ME with more than 1 GiB RAM, do PM me your info and you shall be added to the list!

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This topic has been updated!

What's New?

on post #2:

Dave-H's new machine has been added!

Let's keep the list up-to-date:

If you are using 9x/ME with more than 1 GiB RAM, do PM me your info and you shall be added to the list!

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Hello guys

 

I have a question

 

Why you use old OS on new machine?

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Because we can! :w00t:

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Good answer

 

But many new applications do not support 9x, 2K.

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Hello guys

 

I have a question

 

Why you use old OS on new machine?

My Pentium 4 2GHz Windows 98 machine boots and runs a heck of a lot faster than my main Athlon 64 X2 5000+ Windows 2000 machine. Also, the fact Windows 98 does mostly what I need it to do is a good reason for me to use it. :)

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I have split the posts about Canal's machine into his own project thread, which is located in the proper sub-forum <link>. :yes:

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Amazed and pleased this topic is still going! Happy to be among retros :)

 

 

 

I am creating 2 Win98se computers from laying-around parts with added "new" parts.

 

First is Calliope, who will be a music-making machine, because the drivers for the Echo professional sound card got totally messed up in XP. They require direct hardware control. Tired of people recommending I use a VM; I've tried Virtual Box, VMware, DOSbox, several other EMUs & the hooks into the system just don't work for squat.

 

 

Her config:

 

Asus P4B533 with Pentium 4 2.4GHz Northwood CPU

HIS Radeon 9000 for mere display, not gaming

1.5GB PC-1600 & Brookdale chipset (intel 845e)

Echo Digital Audio (12 in, 24 out)(96-bit internal files)

Pioneer cdrw

 

Nothing else because she has only 1 job to do.

 

I managed to get her to boot with 1GB RAM, but she absolutely refuses to use another 512MB. I have tried all the tricks in this forum & she still stubbornly refuses to boot with the extra 512. However, all this reading has made my brain go back in time (which is fun) so I expect I'll remember some more tricks; maybe they will work.

 

2nd computer - Arcadia

 

My original, FULL-TOWER (and I mean full tower - 2ft 1" - there's a lot of space in there :D) holding:

 

Abit BX6rev2 440BX mainboard

PIII 800MHz

Rage Pro AGP 2x card + All-In-Wonder TV tuner (soon to be yanked)

Some kind of Soundblaster (haven't looked yet)

Microsoft Sidewinder Force Feedback Pro (THE BEST STICK)

CH Pro Pedals

 

She had 384MB of RAM last I checked. I will be trying to get her to at least 1GB. She will be a games machine for DOS & early Win games (up to DirectX 9).

 

Looking over ebay & Amazon, I can get a (1998) $500+ graphics card for ~$35. WOOT! Dallying between the GeForce ti4200, ti4600, FX 5950 and the ATI-side 9700, 9800pro & 9800XT (with Angel's amazing Omega drivers - the only thing that made me love my Rage Pro)

 

So that's it, my projects over the winter.

 

And a big HELLO to all you other Retronaughts!

 

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Welcome to MSFN! :hello:

 

You want a machine to recognize and use up to 1152 MiB, you can do it just with tweaking on 98SE. You want it to actually recognize and use more you've got two options: buy RLoew RAM Limitation Patch (then you can go up to somewhat less than 4 GiB) or upgrade to ME (then you can go up to just somewhat less than 2 GiB, but for free). There are no other ways.

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Welcome to MSFN! :hello:

 

You want a machine to recognize and use up to 1152 MiB, you can do it just with tweaking on 98SE. You want it to actually recognize and use more you've got two options: buy RLoew RAM Limitation Patch (then you can go up to somewhat less than 4 GiB) or upgrade to ME (then you can go up to just somewhat less than 2 GiB, but for free). There are no other ways.

 

Hi & thanks! I think I know why there are 2 RAM sticks - one @1GB and 1@512... probably (all that time ago) I knew about this problem & used the one 512mb stick for installing. Ah, well, at least my memory is working again on this problem; it's fun!

 

For what I want to run, more than 1GB is way way overkill and not needed (as I have killed the XP install to make it a pure 98se box)

 

Now, I must do something about that clanking, "flying-saucer whirring" HDD. *seeks trusty Ghost boot disk*

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Reporting back in... I'd forgotten how stubborn Win98 could be about IRQs... several hours later, I got the Soundblaster 128 (an Ensoniq/software card) and the new (for me) ATI Radeon 9800 Pro AIW to work at the same time. Hoping to find a real Blaster on eBay as I have two ISA slots on the board.

 

Also got the USB 2.0 working with the Win9x_USB_2_0_support_33e package. Had it on an old jumpdrive, so copied it in 1.0 then removed those drivers; rebooted and installed the 2.0 and it worked like a charm.

 

I did NOT like the Unofficial 98 SSP3 - it did some tricky things with policies and I quit fighting it and reformatted and reinstalled. I like the Autopatcher for Win98se SP2 Full package although this machine will not be connected to the Internet & a lot of the patches were for security. Saved me tons of time tracking down patches.

 

Managed to find two "brand-new" sealed-box WD 80GB EIDE HDDs. Although S.M.A.R.T. tells me the 14-yr-old WD 6GB & the 10-yr-old WD 40GB are in good condition, I'm taking no chances. Mirroring both machines onto new drives.

 

Excuse me now while I go fly a plane with my cool joystick and pedals :D

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Okay, so I'm on the fence with this one and I'm thinking about purchasing RLoew's RAM patch. I'm currently sitting at 1GB as it is and my motherboard can support 2GBs maximum. I really don't do much with the computer except for working with MS Office, IRC, Project 64, and a bit of internet browsing. So what I want to know is, would I honestly benefit from having the extra gig installed with the patch or will it basically be a worthless upgrade? I feel trying to locate 2GBs of DDR RAM and being able to test it out for only 10 minutes at a time wouldn't suit my fancy so maybe a few others who have this installed would be able to help me out here.

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The thing that changed most for me is working with pictures (using software like PrintShop Pro and LView). In all other things I usually do it was less noticeable. But my setup is peculiar since, having 3 GiB, I ended up allocating 1.5 GiB for windows and the other 1.5 GiB for a huge RAMDisk (only feasible with RLoew's non-XMS RAMDisk), in which I put the TEMP directory, and things like the Temporary Internet Files, Cookies and History, and all the things I'd like to go away on reboot. Then again, there's another aspect: Win 98SE becomes way more stable (crashes less) after adding RLoew's RAM Limitation Patch. That is quite noticeable for a day-to-day user, but may elude the casual user. VMM.VxD's memory management is not just fixed, but actually improved by RLoew's patch, in my experience. And the patch is not that expensive... what's the actual cost of one single hamburger (not cheeseburger) at the McDonald's nearest to you?

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Hear hear!

I've never regretted buying the RAM Limitation Patch.

It not only allowed Windows 98 to cope with huge amounts of memory, but made it an enormous amount more stable too.

I can almost count the number of BSODs I've had since installing it on the fingers of one hand, far better than it ever was before.

:)

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Hey, thanks for the information you two. I don't know how to answer your last question Dencorso since I stopped eating fast food about 5 years ago but I imagine it's a bit up there these days. I really would like to max out my Win98 machine as much as I can and maybe even start using it more as a main machine instead of a secondary one since it takes less power being a Pentium 4 as opposed to Athlon 64 X2. RLoew seems awesome as hell when it comes to making 9x a lot better so probably soon I will take the dive in and get the patch. I remember when I ran Windows 98 in 2002 with only 384MBs of RAM, seems quite paltry now. lol

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And the patch is not that expensive... what's the actual cost of one single hamburger (not cheeseburger) at the McDonald's nearest to you?

Some of us don't earn much...nor have good exchange rates...

Maybe make it free in the next 5 years?

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Some of us don't earn much...nor have good exchange rates...

In my experience very poor people :( cannot afford more than 512 Mb of RAM anyway, so it looks to me like a non-problem.

 

jaclaz

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(Which compares well with the more realistic 52.14 weeks per year,40h per week of work and US$7.25 per hour, which gives US$15120.60) .

Now, with Brazilian 13 months and Sao Paulo's US$370.00 per month, we'd have US$4810.00 per year. Then the buts begin: but the Big Mac Index (by applying it, the US$4810.00 is reduced by 35% to account to the higher costs here, becoming US$3126.50), but the Gini Coefficient and but the unemployment rate (6.0% in 2011). And Brazil has about 2/3 of the US population.

Just to keep up to date, the situation here has remained about the same (or improved minimally, if one wants to be optmistic): What then were US$3126.50, now became US$3589.50... (about 15% real gain after two years, that's not bad you'll say!)... I'll check the new Gini Coefficient and the unemployment rate and add that info later. Also it's really worth it to give a look at the new, interactive, at The Economist's Big Mac Index page. :yes:

 

The situation in Brazil didn't change much from the described above, till now. People earn about one fifth of what they'd earn in the US, and computer hardware costs about thrice their price in the US...

 

Maybe make it free in the next 5 years?

 

I wouldn't count on that.

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I actually purchased the patch last night and Mr. Loew delivered it last night to my email. He's a very pleasant person to work with and honest so no worries about him taking your money and running. I have the patch installed but I do not have RAM that will push my 98 machine past 1GB yet so that's on order. So I want to know, will I need to mess around with vcache and maxfilecache with the RAM patch or no?

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And the patch is not that expensive... what's the actual cost of one single hamburger (not cheeseburger) at the McDonald's nearest to you?

Some of us don't earn much...nor have good exchange rates...

Maybe make it free in the next 5 years?

I don't think McDonalds will ever make their hamburgers free.

@Tommy You don't need to set MaxFileCache when using my Patch in most cases.

You can still use MaxFileCache to lower it further as needed or use the /C option to set the maximum lower permanently. If you do a lot of writing to USB Keys, you may want to set it low.

The minimum is 40MB of Cache per Gigabyte of RAM.

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So I want to know, will I need to mess around with vcache and maxfilecache with the RAM patch or no?

 

No. That's the beauty of the RAM Limitation Patch - no more such fiddling is required. You install it and go on about using your system. I would do away with any such entries once the patch is in use.

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