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How to install Windows from USB- WinSetupFromUSB with GUI


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it's possible to prepare xp / win7 x86 / win7 x64 in one UFD?


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GRUB4DOS displax hd0 hd1 and rd as possible disks


Good. :)

... and SATA drivers for the internal hard disk isn't integrated into Windows (original WinXP+SP3 used as source)

... and how do you expect that setup can see the internal SATA drive without it's drivers? :w00t:

@asriphet
Re-read, this time attentively, post #1

Here comes the first GUI for our little project.

What it can be used for adding to your USB stick/disk:

- multiple Windows XP/2kX sources in the same partition (up to 10). They have to be in the first partition of the disk! Existing folders ~BT and ~LS and TXTSETUP.SIF will be renamed, and SETUPLDR.BIN and SETUPDD.SYS patched against the new names. Checksum checks are also corrected. BTS OEM folders are supported and renamed accordingly.
- BartPE/WinBulder/UBCD4Win/WinFLPC (NOT ramdisk versions) to any primary partition. Multiple BartPE for example, in the SAME partition are NOT supported. Neither is the mix of them on a single partition.
- Vista/Windows 7 setup to different primary partitions. Multiple Vista sources in the SAME partition are NOT supported. Place your second Vista setup in another partition. It can be placed on any primary partition.
- PartedMagic, a friendly Linux distro including GParted- open source partition manager.
- SyLinux bootsector, and optionally a directory, containing (Linux) distro booting off SysLinux. For example you may extract UBCD411.ISO, and point it to this folder. Entire contents will be copied and entry for SysLinux will be added to the boot menu.

Please read "Multiple Vista" as "Multiple Vista or Windows 7". ;)

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Edited by jaclaz, 09 November 2009 - 09:25 AM.


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@asriphet
Re-read, this time attentively, post #1


Thank jaclaz for fast reply
I was tried as follow methods in several times but I can't get it done.

1) To install dummydisk driver which included in WinSetupFromUSB package.
2) To partition my UDF as partition#1,#2 and #3
note:
partition#1 -> primary, active.
partition#2 -> primary.
partition#3 -> primary.

3) To run WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3.exe and get
  • partition#1 - WinXP installation source.
  • partition#2 - Win7 x86 installation source.
  • partition#3 - Win7 x64 installation source.

its done without any problems.

4) To try installation WinXP -> Success.
5) To try installation Win7 x86 -> Win7 x86 setup lunched but it can't found source folder. I was tried to continue installation with browe button but i can't see source folder also partition#2 is missing.
6) To try installation Win7 x64 -> it same as Win7 x86 setup process above.

Sorry for my English.

Edited by jaclaz, 09 November 2009 - 12:25 PM.


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Hmmm, strange.

However one Windows 7 can co-live on the same primary partition as the (one or various) XP's.

In other words:
1st partition one or more XP + 1 instance of 7
2nd partition "other" version of 7

64 bit version were having some problems, though.

You may wait for a reply by ilko_t, he should be able to better clear the matter and help you specifically.


Rest assured :), your English is better than you think. ;)

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I'd guess sticks seen as removable are displayed the same way as in XP/2003- only one partition can be used.

To go around that- either flip the removable bit and use separate partitions as described, or put the other sources in their own folders, initiating setup by entering recovery mode using the one in root-->command prompt and manually executing setup.exe for the desired version.
Haven't played much yet with Vista/7...

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... and how do you expect that setup can see the internal SATA drive without it's drivers?


thanks for your help

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5) To try installation Win7 x86 -> Win7 x86 setup lunched but it can't found source folder. I was tried to continue installation with browe button but i can't see source folder also partition#2 is missing.
6) To try installation Win7 x64 -> it same as Win7 x86 setup process above.


As a workaround.
when you are at the grub4dos choice, press "c" to get to command line.
In it type:
geometry (hd0)
[ENTER]
and
geometry (hd1)
[ENTER]

in order to make sure which of the two is the stick (it should be (hd0) as the drives have not been yet exchanged).
Then issue the command:
makeactive (hd0,1)
[ENTER]
to make the second partition active
OR
makeactive (hd0,2)
[ENTER]
to make the third partition active.

Then issue the commands:
find --set-root /menu.lst
[ENTER]
configfile /menu.lst
[ENTER]
to get back to the choices.

In this cases BOOTMGR and /boot/BCD have to be in the same partition that is made active.

Report what happens.

If this approach works, you can add the makeactive commands in the menu.lst.

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Multiple boot partitions on the same drive:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=7138

As far as I remember, XP maps (hd0,0) at USB flash drive.


Maybe it't time to split this multi partitions posts.

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Hi! :hello:

First off thanks to everyone for their support. I have a Fujitsu Simens laptop but my disk CD drive is broken. Have tried to boot from my XP CD from an external disk drive but i get the NTDETECT failed error. So installing from a USB key is my last resort (although i will try the ram method)

I have used the latest version of WinSetupFromUSB. I have XP MCE SP3. I have attached the log file. However when I reboot, i only get a GRUB4DOS commandline. (booting works fine)

I went back and edited the first boot command to put errorcheck on and this is what i get :

configfile /menu.lstError 11 : Unrecognised device string, or you omitted the required DEVICE part which should lead the filename.

I opened a commandline and entered the following:

>> root (hd0,0)filesystem is NTFS, partition type 0x07>> configfile /menu.lstError 15: File not found

Anyone have any tips?

Here is my WinSetupFromUSB.log :
2009/11/12 19:17:14- WinSetupFromUSB 0.2.3 started2009/11/12 19:17:14- OS: WIN_XP  Architecture type: X86 ServicePack: Service Pack 3 OS Language: 04092009/11/12 19:17:14- Getting USB drives information2009/11/12 19:17:14- Found USB Physical Disk: CBM Flash Disk USB Device -- \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE12009/11/12 19:17:14- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #02009/11/12 19:17:15- Found USB Logical Disk: D:  File system: NTFS Bootable: -12009/11/12 19:17:15- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #12009/11/12 19:17:15- Target drive selected- D:2009/11/12 19:17:15- Drive letter of the active partition in selected disk- D:2009/11/12 19:17:15- Total target size avialable- 1432 MB2009/11/12 19:17:15- Checking sizes...2009/11/12 19:17:15- Total source size- 0 MB2009/11/12 19:17:15- Target space available- 1432 MB2009/11/12 19:17:35- Windows source selected- 2009/11/12 19:17:35- Source version- 2009/11/12 19:17:35- Service Pack- 2009/11/12 19:17:35- AMD64 flag- 02009/11/12 19:18:22- Checking sizes...2009/11/12 19:18:22- Total source size- 538.6 MB2009/11/12 19:18:22- Target space available- 1432 MB2009/11/12 19:18:22- Windows source selected- E:2009/11/12 19:18:22- Source version- Windows XP Professional2009/11/12 19:18:22- Service Pack- Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 2009/11/12 19:18:22- AMD64 flag- 02009/11/12 19:18:23- Getting USB drives information2009/11/12 19:18:23- Found USB Physical Disk: CBM Flash Disk USB Device -- \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE12009/11/12 19:18:23- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #02009/11/12 19:18:24- Found USB Logical Disk: D:  File system: NTFS Bootable: -12009/11/12 19:18:24- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #12009/11/12 19:18:24- Target drive selected- D:2009/11/12 19:18:24- Drive letter of the active partition in selected disk- D:2009/11/12 19:18:24- Total target size avialable- 1432 MB2009/11/12 19:18:24- Checking sizes...2009/11/12 19:18:24- Total source size- 538.6 MB2009/11/12 19:18:24- Target space available- 1432 MB2009/11/12 19:18:24- RMPrepUSB launched2009/11/12 19:18:55- RMPrepUSB closed2009/11/12 19:19:00- Getting USB drives information2009/11/12 19:19:00- Found USB Physical Disk: CBM Flash Disk USB Device -- \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE12009/11/12 19:19:00- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #02009/11/12 19:19:00- Found USB Logical Disk: D:  File system: NTFS Bootable: -12009/11/12 19:19:00- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #12009/11/12 19:19:00- Target drive selected- D:2009/11/12 19:19:00- Drive letter of the active partition in selected disk- D:2009/11/12 19:19:00- Total target size avialable- 1980 MB2009/11/12 19:19:00- Checking sizes...2009/11/12 19:19:01- Total source size- 538.6 MB2009/11/12 19:19:01- Target space available- 1980 MB2009/11/12 19:19:24- Removing TEMP folder2009/11/12 19:19:24- Checking if grub4dos is installed properly2009/11/12 19:19:24- grub4dos BS/MBR and files are NOT installed properly2009/11/12 19:19:24- Installing grub4dos BS/MBR and files2009/11/12 19:19:24- Backing up MBR of disk #12009/11/12 19:19:24- C:\WinSetupFromUSB\files\grub4dos\grubinst.exe -s=mbrdisk1-20091112-191713.dat -t (hd1)2009/11/12 19:19:26- Backed up MBR of disk #12009/11/12 19:19:26- Backing up BootSector of disk #1 partition #02009/11/12 19:19:28- Backed up BootSector of disk #1 partition #02009/11/12 19:19:28- Checking for grldr string in BootSector of disk #1 partition #02009/11/12 19:19:30- Saved BootSector of disk #1 partition #02009/11/12 19:19:31- Grub4dos bootsector not found2009/11/12 19:19:31- Checking for grldr string in MBR of disk #12009/11/12 19:19:33- Saved MBR of disk #12009/11/12 19:19:35- Grub4dos MBR not found2009/11/12 19:19:35- Installing grub4dos bootsector to (hd1,0)2009/11/12 19:19:35- C:\WinSetupFromUSB\files\grub4dos\grubinst.exe (hd1,0)2009/11/12 19:19:35- Launching fsutil volume dismount D:2009/11/12 19:19:39- Checking for grldr string in BootSector of disk #1 partition #02009/11/12 19:19:41- Saved BootSector of disk #1 partition #02009/11/12 19:19:42- Grub4dos bootsector found2009/11/12 19:19:42- Copying grldr2009/11/12 19:19:42- Copying menu.lst2009/11/12 19:19:42- Copying default2009/11/12 19:19:42- grub4dos installed2009/11/12 19:19:44- DOSNET.INF parsed, 117 files for ~BT folder2009/11/12 19:19:44- E:\I386\disk1---> C:\WinSetupFromUSB\TEMP\$WIN_NT$.~BT\disk1012009/11/12 19:19:51- Preparing ~BT folder completed2009/11/12 19:19:51- Launching MkMigrateInf3.cmd2009/11/12 19:19:54- Adding lines for binifix5.cmd and start64.exe2009/11/12 19:19:54- Preparing ~BT folder and boot files2009/11/12 19:19:54- Preparing ~LS folder2009/11/12 19:20:00- Preparing BOOT.INI2009/11/12 19:20:00- Preparing winsetup.lst2009/11/12 19:20:00- Copy started2009/11/12 19:20:51- E:\I386\EULA.TXT---> D:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\EULA.TXT2009/11/12 19:20:51- ERROR!!!--- not copied:E:\I386\EULA.TXT          0 fil(er) copied.2009/11/12 19:25:51- E:\I386\AUTOCHK.EXE---> D:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\AUTOCHK.EXE2009/11/12 19:25:51- ERROR!!!--- not copied:E:\I386\AUTOCHK.EXE          0 fil(er) copied.2009/11/12 19:25:51- E:\I386\AUTOFMT.EXE---> D:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\AUTOFMT.EXE2009/11/12 19:25:51- ERROR!!!--- not copied:E:\I386\AUTOFMT.EXE          0 fil(er) copied.2009/11/12 19:34:23- Copying completed. Took: 862.495403186718 seconds2009/11/12 19:34:23- Fixing unattended section in winnt.sif2009/11/12 19:34:23- setupORG.exe not found, replacing the original file2009/11/12 19:34:24- OEMPreinstall found, editing presetup.cmd2009/11/12 19:34:24- Removing duplicate entries in boot.ini2009/11/12 19:34:48- Checking sizes...2009/11/12 19:34:48- Total source size- 0 MB2009/11/12 19:34:48- Target space available- 1980 MB2009/11/12 19:34:48- Getting USB drives information2009/11/12 19:34:49- Found USB Physical Disk: CBM Flash Disk USB Device -- \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE12009/11/12 19:34:49- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #02009/11/12 19:34:50- Found USB Logical Disk: D:  File system: NTFS Bootable: -12009/11/12 19:34:50- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #12009/11/12 19:34:50- Target drive selected- D:2009/11/12 19:34:50- Drive letter of the active partition in selected disk- D:2009/11/12 19:34:50- Total target size avialable- 1432 MB2009/11/12 19:34:50- Checking sizes...2009/11/12 19:34:50- Total source size- 0 MB2009/11/12 19:34:50- Target space available- 1432 MB2009/11/12 19:40:16- ---------------------------------Program quited-----------------------------------------------


Apprently 3 files were not copied : AUTOFMT.EXE, AUTOCHK.EXE and EULA.TXT. (I deleted all other lines regarding copying)

Thanks! :thumbup

Edited by Axxoul, 12 November 2009 - 01:46 PM.


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Is menu.lst in root of the USB stick?
Are those 3 files in D:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\ ?

Try in grub4dos command line to type:
cat (fd0)/menu.lst
cat (fd1)/menu.lst
cat (hd0,0)/menu.lst

Does any of them find and print menu.lst? Which one? FD0?

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All files are where they are supposed to be.

the cat (fd0)/menu.lst prints the menu.lst file

all other commands give me "Error 15: File not found"

Thanks for the fast reply btw :)

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Your stick is presented by BIOS as a floppy.
Try to find an option in BIOS for USB emulation type:
http://www.msfn.org/...on-t139446.html

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Thanks ilko, i think that was the problem :( My bios does have USB HDD but my usb stick only shows under USB KEY which i guess is a floppy... Pretty weird since my other usb key with ubuntu boots up fine. Both keys are 2Gigs.

You think the " Install XP from a RAM loaded ISO image " method might work in this case? or maybe " Install XP from USB AFTER Booting with PE from HDD or USB "?

Edited by Axxoul, 13 November 2009 - 05:17 AM.


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Thanks ilko, i think that was the problem :( My bios does have USB HDD but my usb stick only shows under USB KEY which i guess is a floppy... Pretty weird since my other usb key with ubuntu boots up fine. Both keys are 2Gigs.

Well, NO.
If your BIOS has a "USB HDD" option, it should be able to recognize a USB stick with a proper MBR on it as a partitioned device.
This has nothing to do with booting or not booting, is about booting as HD vs. booting as superfloppy.

Use HDhacker:
http://dimio.altervista.org/eng/

to save first sector of the Physicaldrive corresponding to your USB stick , compress it in a .zip archive and attach it to your next post, I'd like to have a look at it.

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Thanks jaclaz, attached is the MBR_HardDisk1.dat file

Took the first sector of physicaldrive of the usb key...

Here is a screen of my bios:

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Edited by Axxoul, 13 November 2009 - 10:39 AM.


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Really strange, the MBR is allright, it appears like one created with RMPREPUSB.

The stoopid BIOS must be checking for the "Removable" status of the stick, though it's the first time I see something like that. :w00t:

Which motherboard is it? :unsure:

You have probably two ways out:
  • find out the manufacturer of the stick, find the Production Tool for it and "flip" the "removable" bit to have the stick seen as fixed (best)
  • try using fbinst:
    http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=9460

Try running Chipgenius on the stick:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=4661
if your key is one for which a suitable software can be found, it is the easiest (and permanent) solution.

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Trying using fbinst right now...

However saw this in boot-land :

"However, ZIP disk would be (fd0) at boot time, and the data partition is (fd0,0), some application can't handle this properly. To solve this, you can use grub4dos's map command to map (fd0) to (hd0)."

Have you heard of this? if yes any idea how to map fd0 to hd0?

The only info i can get on the motherboard at the moment is this :

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Have you heard of this? if yes any idea how to map fd0 to hd0?

You joking right? :unsure:

I usually shout this, NOT "hear" it. ;)

Point is that it greatly depends on how the BIOS handles the thing.

Your stick is actually a partitioned device, i.e. it has a MBR and 63 hidden sector (MBR+62).

What a BIOS may do is to simply "ignore" the first 63 sectors and access the partition bootsector as if it was first sector instead of the 64th, thus "removing" all info about the partition (and "vanifying" the NT boot process using Disk Signature).

There are quite a few reports of these "strange" BIOS behaviour, but, mainly due to posters "abandoning" the game, there is NO real, solid, documented solution, AFAIK.

fbinst can use a workaround to this behaviour, that may (or may completely fail to) work in your specific case.

Maybe reading this seemingly unrelated threads will clear the matter (or completely confuse you :blushing: ):
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=7507
http://www.boot-land...?...=5766&st=77

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works with flash usb 16 GB?

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works with flash usb 16 GB?


Of course NO. :blink:

Size of the stick in bytes NEEDS to be a prime number, but not a Mersenne one:
http://en.wikipedia..../Mersenne_prime

Additionally and of course, the formatting has to be carried on with FULL moon, otherwise it won't ever work. :whistle:

Just TRY it! ;)

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Hi guys, small contribution:

-I have verified that this is possible to install Win x64 from an USB HDD + 1 Extended Partition & 1 Logical Drive + it works around XP setup "stealing" C:

Tips:

1)
-with diskpart, set the logical partition active
-create a temp primary partition very small and set it active

after that done, WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3 will detect the logical drive so you can deploy your installation on it

-don't forget to delete the temp primary partition (this one is just needed for WinSetupFromUSB and this could be a problem after because this partition will still your the C: drive letter)

2)
-make sure you just have your USB HDD plugged in your comp and no existing primary partition, start WIndows Setup and when to the partionning page you should see the destination drive first unpartitionned, and second place for your USB drive with a D: assigned to your logical partition

-create your destination partition, C: will be applied to it
-create a partition in an unpartitioned area of your usb hdd so win write boot files inside

Then some small boot fix and that is done, better to have 2 comp on that method but without thats not possible to assign C because setup files are on a primary partition so thats technically not possible to use C: because Windows assigns C to the USB HDD

It seems Windows installs fine from a logical drive and auto assign D: to it, refusing to assign C: to a logical part to our benefit ;)

Verified with a nlited XP x64

Sorry for my crap english guys Im french

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Hi guys, small contribution:

Thanks. :)

But this is not clear (at least to me):

1)
-with diskpart, set the logical partition active
-create a temp primary partition very small and set it active

after that done, WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3 will detect the logical drive so you can deploy your installation on it

-don't forget to delete the temp primary partition (this one is just needed for WinSetupFromUSB and this could be a problem after because this partition will still your the C: drive letter)


I mean, from reading it it seems like you have two partitions active in the same moment. :w00t:
Also it is not clear if the thing "made active" is the Extended Partition (i.e. the container inside which one or more Logical Volumes or partitions can be created) or an actual Logical volume or partition.

If you want, PM me in French an explanation of the entire process, and I will try translating it in English (your English seems allright to me :thumbup , but some terms need to be disambiguated)

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ha yeah sorry this is the logical volume I mean to set active

1 Extended Partition + 1 Logical volume
&
1 really small primary partition like 100Mb and active

Forget about the Logical volume made active, I just tested again with a small primary partition made active and this was enough to have winsetupfromusb detecting the USB hdd

To resume how I do it:

1) my usb stick has no partition
2) doing 1Gb extended partition
3) inside a 1Gb logical volume
4) a small 100Mb primary partition inside the unpartitioned space
5) set active the primary partition
6) installing grub though grubinst
7) Copying XP setup on logical volume through your SetupwinfromUSB program
8) moving some boot files from the primary part to logical drive
9) deleting primary partition
At this point the install hdd is ok
10) copying HBCD from Hiren's BootCD 10.0 iso to logical drive
11) adding the code below to menu.lst
At this point the install hdd is ok + hiren boot cd to install the loaders to our futur C:

then I reboot
12) TXT setup
13) to the partitioning options you should see only ONE partition, our USB HDD (logical volume) is shown down with a letter D:
14) create the C: partition to your disk (should be shown first)
15) create a small partition inside the unpartitioned space of your usbhdd (windows will tell you it anyway because it refuses to write boot files to a logical volume)

Then to the reboot, poweroff, reinstall grubinst to the USB HDD, reboot with it and the second step starts
Setup may then warn you it fails at finding HarddiskVolume2, just set instead Harddisk1/Partition2 and its works perfectly

finally copy boot file from the small primary partition you created during setup and install an MBR to the C: with Hiren bootcd.

Hope it helps I made that quickly I need to eat :D

so yesterday I had done to get the logical volume detected in setupwinfromusb tool without having to create a fake primary part and moving boot files but can't remember yet how I did, will post if I remember

Edited by jaclaz, 18 November 2009 - 08:55 AM.

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...

There is a new approach, much easier and without most of the limitations until now:
http://www.msfn.org/...so-t139737.html

There is a test version of WinSetupFromUSB attached, don't pay attention to BOOT.INI, FIXED/REMOVABLE and STARTUP FILES ONLY fields, they do nothing and will be removed in next release. Should work just fine with USB stick and x64 sources. Second boot, for GUI mode, can be either the USB stick or the internal hard disk.

Install Windows from USB, boot Linux, multiboot and a lot more with WinSetupFromUSB


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thank you ilko will look at this method.

I dunno if its coming from winsetupfromusb but on 3x install of WinXP x64 I fall always on the same problems, it seems windows does not install 100% fine

-No windows update I had to rundll32.exe setupapi,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 132 %systemroot%\inf\au.inf toinstall it
-No Keyboard languages, I had to rundll32.exe setupapi,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 132 %systemroot%\inf\qmgr.inf
-No start menu advanced settings, I had to rundll32.exe setupapi,InstallHinfSection DefaultInstall 132 %systemroot%\inf\shell.inf
-sound is not working even with the right drivers installed
even more .inf not regged but they are all present on the partition

My XP is nlite (without rips, just SP2 sleapstreamed) but I have already installed from nlited CDs without getting such problem in the past so I think it comes from the winsetupfromusb conversion.

I have carefully checked the TXTSETUP.sif from the original iso with the one from you tool, there is just 3 differences,

binifix5.cmd=1,,,,,,,82,0,0
presetup.cmd=1,,,,,,,82,0,0
setupORG.exe=1,,,,,,,82,0,0


setupORG.exe doesnt seems to do the same job than the original one

Edited by class101, 18 November 2009 - 11:38 AM.

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