[smokada]

it's possible to add a option to boot from internal HDD?

[ilko_t]

To grub4dos boot menu?

Just add this to menu.lst on the USB disk:

title Boot from first internal disk
map (hd0) (hd1)
map (hd1) (hd0)
map --hook
chainloader (hd0)+1
rootnoverify (hd0)

[tenthor]

Hi,

Trying to install new WinXPPro on the Asus Eee 1005HA (on the 2. free partition), where I have already systems WinXpHome (1. partittion) and Ubuntu (3. extended partition) I found the next problem, what is probably the fault of BIOS. The actual boot manager is GRUB from linux in the MBR.
I formatted my Kingston 1Gb pendrive with RMPrepUSB, options Boot as HDD / XP bootable.
Settings in WinSetupFromUSB:
- Force target disc drive: Removable
- BOOT.INI adjustments: DiskNR 0, PartitionNr 2
At copying boot files get a message about problem around installing GRUB (log bellow), but it finishes the full process (copying Win files, etc.)

 
2009/11/09 03:38:21- Checking if grub4dos is installed properly
2009/11/09 03:38:21- grub4dos BS/MBR and files are NOT installed properly
2009/11/09 03:38:21- Installing grub4dos BS/MBR and files
2009/11/09 03:38:21- Backing up MBR of disk #1
2009/11/09 03:38:21- C:\WinSetupFromUSB\files\grub4dos\grubinst.exe -s=mbrdisk1-20091109-033439.dat -t (hd1)
2009/11/09 03:38:23- Backed up MBR of disk #1
2009/11/09 03:38:23- Backing up BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/09 03:38:25- Backed up BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/09 03:38:25- Checking for grldr string in BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/09 03:38:27- Saved BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/09 03:38:28- Grub4dos bootsector not found
2009/11/09 03:38:28- Checking for grldr string in MBR of disk #1
2009/11/09 03:38:30- Saved MBR of disk #1
2009/11/09 03:38:31- Grub4dos MBR not found
2009/11/09 03:38:31- Installing grub4dos bootsector to (hd1,0)
2009/11/09 03:38:31- C:\WinSetupFromUSB\files\grub4dos\grubinst.exe (hd1,0)
2009/11/09 03:38:35- Checking for grldr string in BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/09 03:38:37- Saved BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/09 03:38:38- Grub4dos bootsector not found
2009/11/09 03:38:38- Could not install grub4dos bootsector
2009/11/09 03:38:42- Installing grub4dos MBR to (hd1)
2009/11/09 03:38:42- C:\WinSetupFromUSB\files\grub4dos\grubinst.exe (hd1)
2009/11/09 03:38:46- Checking for grldr string in MBR of disk #1
2009/11/09 03:38:48- Saved MBR of disk #1
2009/11/09 03:38:49- Grub4dos MBR found
2009/11/09 03:38:49- Copying grldr
2009/11/09 03:38:50- Copying menu.lst
2009/11/09 03:38:50- Copying default
2009/11/09 03:38:50- grub4dos installed
 

After reboot in BIOS I set the boot order:
- removable
- hard disk (sees 2 hard disks: the original Hitachi and the prepared USB pendrive)
Unfortunately at hard disk selection I can only choose BETWEEN Hitachi and USB and not to SET ORDER.
So if I set Hitachi the boot order looks like
- removable
- Hitachi
In this case NOTHING happens, as if no USB device connected (starts the old Linux GRUB)
If I select USB as Hard disk then the boot order is
- removable
- USB
In this case starts the Win setup process, but the Setup program only sees the USB drive/partition and not the Hitachi partitions where should be install the new WinXPPro

In both case the first "removable" parameter as boot device has no effect, everything depends what I set up (as a second boot device) for hard disk (Hitachi or prepared USB)

I hope my problem is understandable (because of my poor English) and somebody have solution for my problem.

Thanks in advance

[jaclaz]

It's not clear WHEN the internal hard disk is not seen.

Try this: boot from the USB device and press "c" at the grub4dos choices.
You will get to the grub4dos command prompt.

Type in it

find (

and press [TAB] key.
You should see a (hd0) and a (hd1) devices.

Has the source the drivers (SATA) for the internal hard disk integrated, right?

jaclaz

[tenthor]

The BIOS Boot Settings section is

(A) Boot device priority
1st boot device Removable device
2nd boot device HDD: Hitachi <<<< this value depends from the next setting

(B) Hard disk drives
1st drive HDD: Hitachi
2nd drive USB: Kingston
(If pendrive isn't plugged in then no choice available)


So, if I choose HDD:Hitachi at (B) Hard disk drives as a (A) 2nd boot device then nothing happens, as if no USB device connected (starts the old boot process)

If I choose USB:Kingston at (B) Hard disk drives as a (A) 2nd boot device then starts the boot process from pendrive, but when the setup process ask where to install the system, it shows only the pendrives partition as possible choice.

GRUB4DOS displax hd0 hd1 and rd as possible disks

... and SATA drivers for the internal hard disk isn't integrated into Windows (original WinXP+SP3 used as source)

[asriphet]

it's possible to prepare xp / win7 x86 / win7 x64 in one UFD?

[jaclaz]

tenthor, on Nov 9 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

GRUB4DOS displax hd0 hd1 and rd as possible disks

Good.

tenthor, on Nov 9 2009, 03:31 PM, said:

... and SATA drivers for the internal hard disk isn't integrated into Windows (original WinXP+SP3 used as source)

... and how do you expect that setup can see the internal SATA drive without it's drivers?

@asriphet
Re-read, this time attentively, post #1

ilko_t, on Jul 11 2008, 09:31 PM, said:

Here comes the first GUI for our little project.

What it can be used for adding to your USB stick/disk:

- multiple Windows XP/2kX sources in the same partition (up to 10). They have to be in the first partition of the disk! Existing folders ~BT and ~LS and TXTSETUP.SIF will be renamed, and SETUPLDR.BIN and SETUPDD.SYS patched against the new names. Checksum checks are also corrected. BTS OEM folders are supported and renamed accordingly.
- BartPE/WinBulder/UBCD4Win/WinFLPC (NOT ramdisk versions) to any primary partition. Multiple BartPE for example, in the SAME partition are NOT supported. Neither is the mix of them on a single partition.
- Vista/Windows 7 setup to different primary partitions. Multiple Vista sources in the SAME partition are NOT supported. Place your second Vista setup in another partition. It can be placed on any primary partition.
- PartedMagic, a friendly Linux distro including GParted- open source partition manager.
- SyLinux bootsector, and optionally a directory, containing (Linux) distro booting off SysLinux. For example you may extract UBCD411.ISO, and point it to this folder. Entire contents will be copied and entry for SysLinux will be added to the boot menu.

Please read "Multiple Vista" as "Multiple Vista or Windows 7".

jaclaz

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 09 November 2009 - 09:25 AM

[asriphet]

jaclaz, on Nov 9 2009, 10:24 PM, said:

@asriphet
Re-read, this time attentively, post #1

Thank jaclaz for fast reply
I was tried as follow methods in several times but I can't get it done.

1) To install dummydisk driver which included in WinSetupFromUSB package.
2) To partition my UDF as partition#1,#2 and #3
note:
partition#1 -> primary, active.
partition#2 -> primary.
partition#3 -> primary.

3) To run WinSetupFromUSB_0-2-3.exe and get

• partition#1 - WinXP installation source.
  
• partition#2 - Win7 x86 installation source.
  
• partition#3 - Win7 x64 installation source.

its done without any problems.

4) To try installation WinXP -> Success.
5) To try installation Win7 x86 -> Win7 x86 setup lunched but it can't found source folder. I was tried to continue installation with browe button but i can't see source folder also partition#2 is missing.
6) To try installation Win7 x64 -> it same as Win7 x86 setup process above.

Sorry for my English.

This post has been edited by jaclaz: 09 November 2009 - 12:25 PM

[jaclaz]

Hmmm, strange.

However one Windows 7 can co-live on the same primary partition as the (one or various) XP's.

In other words:
1st partition one or more XP + 1 instance of 7
2nd partition "other" version of 7

64 bit version were having some problems, though.

You may wait for a reply by ilko_t, he should be able to better clear the matter and help you specifically.


Rest assured , your English is better than you think.

jaclaz

[ilko_t]

I'd guess sticks seen as removable are displayed the same way as in XP/2003- only one partition can be used.

To go around that- either flip the removable bit and use separate partitions as described, or put the other sources in their own folders, initiating setup by entering recovery mode using the one in root-->command prompt and manually executing setup.exe for the desired version.
Haven't played much yet with Vista/7...

[tenthor]

Quote

... and how do you expect that setup can see the internal SATA drive without it's drivers?

thanks for your help

[jaclaz]

asriphet, on Nov 9 2009, 05:23 PM, said:

5) To try installation Win7 x86 -> Win7 x86 setup lunched but it can't found source folder. I was tried to continue installation with browe button but i can't see source folder also partition#2 is missing.
6) To try installation Win7 x64 -> it same as Win7 x86 setup process above.

As a workaround.
when you are at the grub4dos choice, press "c" to get to command line.
In it type:

geometry (hd0)

[ENTER]
and

geometry (hd1)

[ENTER]

in order to make sure which of the two is the stick (it should be (hd0) as the drives have not been yet exchanged).
Then issue the command:

makeactive (hd0,1)

[ENTER]
to make the second partition active
OR

makeactive (hd0,2)

[ENTER]
to make the third partition active.

Then issue the commands:

find --set-root /menu.lst

[ENTER]

configfile /menu.lst

[ENTER]
to get back to the choices.

In this cases BOOTMGR and /boot/BCD have to be in the same partition that is made active.

Report what happens.

If this approach works, you can add the makeactive commands in the menu.lst.

jaclaz

[cdob]

Multiple boot partitions on the same drive:
http://www.boot-land...?showtopic=7138

As far as I remember, XP maps (hd0,0) at USB flash drive.


Maybe it't time to split this multi partitions posts.

[Axxoul]

Hi!

First off thanks to everyone for their support. I have a Fujitsu Simens laptop but my disk CD drive is broken. Have tried to boot from my XP CD from an external disk drive but i get the NTDETECT failed error. So installing from a USB key is my last resort (although i will try the ram method)

I have used the latest version of WinSetupFromUSB. I have XP MCE SP3. I have attached the log file. However when I reboot, i only get a GRUB4DOS commandline. (booting works fine)

I went back and edited the first boot command to put errorcheck on and this is what i get :

 
configfile /menu.lst
Error 11 : Unrecognised device string, or you omitted the required DEVICE part which should lead the filename. 

I opened a commandline and entered the following:

 
>> root (hd0,0)
filesystem is NTFS, partition type 0x07

>> configfile /menu.lst
Error 15: File not found
 

Anyone have any tips?

Here is my WinSetupFromUSB.log :

 
2009/11/12 19:17:14- WinSetupFromUSB 0.2.3 started
2009/11/12 19:17:14- OS: WIN_XP  Architecture type: X86 ServicePack: Service Pack 3 OS Language: 0409
2009/11/12 19:17:14- Getting USB drives information
2009/11/12 19:17:14- Found USB Physical Disk: CBM Flash Disk USB Device -- \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE1
2009/11/12 19:17:14- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #0
2009/11/12 19:17:15- Found USB Logical Disk: D:  File system: NTFS Bootable: -1
2009/11/12 19:17:15- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #1
2009/11/12 19:17:15- Target drive selected- D:
2009/11/12 19:17:15- Drive letter of the active partition in selected disk- D:
2009/11/12 19:17:15- Total target size avialable- 1432 MB
2009/11/12 19:17:15- Checking sizes...
2009/11/12 19:17:15- Total source size- 0 MB
2009/11/12 19:17:15- Target space available- 1432 MB
2009/11/12 19:17:35- Windows source selected- 
2009/11/12 19:17:35- Source version- 
2009/11/12 19:17:35- Service Pack- 
2009/11/12 19:17:35- AMD64 flag- 0
2009/11/12 19:18:22- Checking sizes...
2009/11/12 19:18:22- Total source size- 538.6 MB
2009/11/12 19:18:22- Target space available- 1432 MB
2009/11/12 19:18:22- Windows source selected- E:
2009/11/12 19:18:22- Source version- Windows XP Professional
2009/11/12 19:18:22- Service Pack- Windows XP Professional Service Pack 3 
2009/11/12 19:18:22- AMD64 flag- 0
2009/11/12 19:18:23- Getting USB drives information
2009/11/12 19:18:23- Found USB Physical Disk: CBM Flash Disk USB Device -- \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE1
2009/11/12 19:18:23- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #0
2009/11/12 19:18:24- Found USB Logical Disk: D:  File system: NTFS Bootable: -1
2009/11/12 19:18:24- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #1
2009/11/12 19:18:24- Target drive selected- D:
2009/11/12 19:18:24- Drive letter of the active partition in selected disk- D:
2009/11/12 19:18:24- Total target size avialable- 1432 MB
2009/11/12 19:18:24- Checking sizes...
2009/11/12 19:18:24- Total source size- 538.6 MB
2009/11/12 19:18:24- Target space available- 1432 MB
2009/11/12 19:18:24- RMPrepUSB launched
2009/11/12 19:18:55- RMPrepUSB closed
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Getting USB drives information
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Found USB Physical Disk: CBM Flash Disk USB Device -- \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE1
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #0
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Found USB Logical Disk: D:  File system: NTFS Bootable: -1
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #1
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Target drive selected- D:
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Drive letter of the active partition in selected disk- D:
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Total target size avialable- 1980 MB
2009/11/12 19:19:00- Checking sizes...
2009/11/12 19:19:01- Total source size- 538.6 MB
2009/11/12 19:19:01- Target space available- 1980 MB
2009/11/12 19:19:24- Removing TEMP folder
2009/11/12 19:19:24- Checking if grub4dos is installed properly
2009/11/12 19:19:24- grub4dos BS/MBR and files are NOT installed properly
2009/11/12 19:19:24- Installing grub4dos BS/MBR and files
2009/11/12 19:19:24- Backing up MBR of disk #1
2009/11/12 19:19:24- C:\WinSetupFromUSB\files\grub4dos\grubinst.exe -s=mbrdisk1-20091112-191713.dat -t (hd1)
2009/11/12 19:19:26- Backed up MBR of disk #1
2009/11/12 19:19:26- Backing up BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/12 19:19:28- Backed up BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/12 19:19:28- Checking for grldr string in BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/12 19:19:30- Saved BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/12 19:19:31- Grub4dos bootsector not found
2009/11/12 19:19:31- Checking for grldr string in MBR of disk #1
2009/11/12 19:19:33- Saved MBR of disk #1
2009/11/12 19:19:35- Grub4dos MBR not found
2009/11/12 19:19:35- Installing grub4dos bootsector to (hd1,0)
2009/11/12 19:19:35- C:\WinSetupFromUSB\files\grub4dos\grubinst.exe (hd1,0)
2009/11/12 19:19:35- Launching fsutil volume dismount D:
2009/11/12 19:19:39- Checking for grldr string in BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/12 19:19:41- Saved BootSector of disk #1 partition #0
2009/11/12 19:19:42- Grub4dos bootsector found
2009/11/12 19:19:42- Copying grldr
2009/11/12 19:19:42- Copying menu.lst
2009/11/12 19:19:42- Copying default
2009/11/12 19:19:42- grub4dos installed
2009/11/12 19:19:44- DOSNET.INF parsed, 117 files for ~BT folder
2009/11/12 19:19:44- E:\I386\disk1---> C:\WinSetupFromUSB\TEMP\$WIN_NT$.~BT\disk101
2009/11/12 19:19:51- Preparing ~BT folder completed
2009/11/12 19:19:51- Launching MkMigrateInf3.cmd
2009/11/12 19:19:54- Adding lines for binifix5.cmd and start64.exe
2009/11/12 19:19:54- Preparing ~BT folder and boot files
2009/11/12 19:19:54- Preparing ~LS folder
2009/11/12 19:20:00- Preparing BOOT.INI
2009/11/12 19:20:00- Preparing winsetup.lst
2009/11/12 19:20:00- Copy started
2009/11/12 19:20:51- E:\I386\EULA.TXT---> D:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\EULA.TXT
2009/11/12 19:20:51- ERROR!!!--- not copied:E:\I386\EULA.TXT          0 fil(er) copied.
2009/11/12 19:25:51- E:\I386\AUTOCHK.EXE---> D:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\AUTOCHK.EXE
2009/11/12 19:25:51- ERROR!!!--- not copied:E:\I386\AUTOCHK.EXE          0 fil(er) copied.
2009/11/12 19:25:51- E:\I386\AUTOFMT.EXE---> D:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\AUTOFMT.EXE
2009/11/12 19:25:51- ERROR!!!--- not copied:E:\I386\AUTOFMT.EXE          0 fil(er) copied.
2009/11/12 19:34:23- Copying completed. Took: 862.495403186718 seconds
2009/11/12 19:34:23- Fixing unattended section in winnt.sif
2009/11/12 19:34:23- setupORG.exe not found, replacing the original file
2009/11/12 19:34:24- OEMPreinstall found, editing presetup.cmd
2009/11/12 19:34:24- Removing duplicate entries in boot.ini
2009/11/12 19:34:48- Checking sizes...
2009/11/12 19:34:48- Total source size- 0 MB
2009/11/12 19:34:48- Target space available- 1980 MB
2009/11/12 19:34:48- Getting USB drives information
2009/11/12 19:34:49- Found USB Physical Disk: CBM Flash Disk USB Device -- \\.\PHYSICALDRIVE1
2009/11/12 19:34:49- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #0
2009/11/12 19:34:50- Found USB Logical Disk: D:  File system: NTFS Bootable: -1
2009/11/12 19:34:50- Found USB Disk Partition: Disk #1, Partition #1
2009/11/12 19:34:50- Target drive selected- D:
2009/11/12 19:34:50- Drive letter of the active partition in selected disk- D:
2009/11/12 19:34:50- Total target size avialable- 1432 MB
2009/11/12 19:34:50- Checking sizes...
2009/11/12 19:34:50- Total source size- 0 MB
2009/11/12 19:34:50- Target space available- 1432 MB
2009/11/12 19:40:16- ---------------------------------Program quited----------------------------------------------- 

Apprently 3 files were not copied : AUTOFMT.EXE, AUTOCHK.EXE and EULA.TXT. (I deleted all other lines regarding copying)

Thanks!

This post has been edited by Axxoul: 12 November 2009 - 01:46 PM

[ilko_t]

Is menu.lst in root of the USB stick?
Are those 3 files in D:\$WIN_NT$.~LS\I386\ ?

Try in grub4dos command line to type:
cat (fd0)/menu.lst
cat (fd1)/menu.lst
cat (hd0,0)/menu.lst

Does any of them find and print menu.lst? Which one? FD0?

[Axxoul]

All files are where they are supposed to be.

the cat (fd0)/menu.lst prints the menu.lst file

all other commands give me "Error 15: File not found"

Thanks for the fast reply btw

[ilko_t]

Your stick is presented by BIOS as a floppy.
Try to find an option in BIOS for USB emulation type:
http://www.msfn.org/board/problem-usbkey-i...on-t139446.html

[Axxoul]

Thanks ilko, i think that was the problem My bios does have USB HDD but my usb stick only shows under USB KEY which i guess is a floppy... Pretty weird since my other usb key with ubuntu boots up fine. Both keys are 2Gigs.

You think the " Install XP from a RAM loaded ISO image " method might work in this case? or maybe " Install XP from USB AFTER Booting with PE from HDD or USB "?

This post has been edited by Axxoul: 13 November 2009 - 05:17 AM

[jaclaz]

Axxoul, on Nov 13 2009, 11:56 AM, said:

Thanks ilko, i think that was the problem My bios does have USB HDD but my usb stick only shows under USB KEY which i guess is a floppy... Pretty weird since my other usb key with ubuntu boots up fine. Both keys are 2Gigs.

Well, NO.
If your BIOS has a "USB HDD" option, it should be able to recognize a USB stick with a proper MBR on it as a partitioned device.
This has nothing to do with booting or not booting, is about booting as HD vs. booting as superfloppy.

Use HDhacker:
http://dimio.altervista.org/eng/

to save first sector of the Physicaldrive corresponding to your USB stick , compress it in a .zip archive and attach it to your next post, I'd like to have a look at it.

jaclaz

[Axxoul]

Thanks jaclaz, attached is the MBR_HardDisk1.dat file

Took the first sector of physicaldrive of the usb key...

Here is a screen of my bios:

Attached File(s)

•  MBR_HardDisk1.zip (573bytes)
  Number of downloads: 4

This post has been edited by Axxoul: 13 November 2009 - 10:39 AM